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I would recommend a test using an arc subclass with Thunderlord and a piece of the new raid armor with the new perk: Precise Jolts. Rapid precision hits with Arc weapons jolts the target. You might find the DPS results surprising.
T-Lord is better if you use triple arc surge, and do the little glitch where you have 3 arc reserve mods on a different chest, rally, then swap back, and keep all your ammo. Everyone in my group did that, and the one phase wasn't that difficult. We would succeed more than twice as often as we failed.
The new Regnant GL from Defiance can also get Envious Assassin, which can overload the mag with rapid kills (kills in general when enhanced) which might let you do more immediate damage since you don't need to swap.
I love thunderlord for this raid. Was telling everyone I played with thunderlord on day 1 since it did good damage and was more forgiving for missing, and can be used for ads. Theres so many ways to get heavy ammo this season too.
Pugged the raid last night (not in contest) and as we went through we kept looking up the guides. "In Kackis we trust" became a mantra for us over the course of our 4 hour clear. Keep up the good work dude, us plebs need you
@Callum Boddy i watch both before doing the raid, but i find rick is more thorough with the little nitty gritty things, thus longer vids. Honestly the longest part was learning where the nodes are for the gauntlet
@Callum Boddy 1000% i also like the fact that there is just some add clear roles, so you can "carry" someone to a first clear by just getting them to kill shit
some interesting dps weapons to try out heart shadow parasite erianas vow whisper of the worm one two punch shotguns outbreak perfected one thousand voices wardcliff
Quick tip for people like Mr. Kackis here who are worried about going past the boss when using the Lament, literally just don't press the 'W' key/don't hold forward on your analog stick. Just spam your combos and orientate the camera and you're good to go
I love this trend and I hope Bungie keeps it up, where almost any weapon type is viable for the raid boss. Also that the boss moves around and actually fights the Guardians.
Can you do a run with the new exotic machine gun, Deterministic Chaos, using the volatility artifact and increased void damage artifact with void mods. That would be interesting to see, with the increased damage potential with the fourth shot perks, increased damage and so much volatility...
On my starfire wellock i got 2.9mil using witherhoard and retrofit escapade with enhanced 4ths and target lock. Works great with that build since you're throwing nades as well. Plus the ammo economy is amazing. Not sure how well it would fair on hunter but i imagine it would run with a titan build too. *quick thought, gyrfalcons hunter would probably be amazing because of the volatile up time and dodge to reload
Don’t have a crafted retrofit :/ but my damage wasn’t close to yours. Could you explain the rotation you did during dps? Cause this is my exact build and I’d love to make it more efficient
I used Starfire and my Incandescent Avalanche machine gun for the entire raid. Best ad clear ever and on Nez I put out a clean 3mil damage in a 2 phase with my team. MG's in general do good damage now and have enough ammo to be used more often outside of DPS too.
During contest mode I was on starfire with arby (boss stun) and hothead, best run got 2.8mil damage, but after 4 hours on Nez still failed, no one else on my team got to 2 mil damage, some not even 1 mil even with rockets and gally....
@@TrainWithCaleb just with the crafted retrofit I was able to pull 2m+ and I used no Grenades. I used lunafaction boots so my team can get better reload speed for more dps
Your test using rat king isn’t how that worked for day 1, when hitting final stand and running out of ammo we would swap to eat king or outbreak perfected for the consistent dps for the small amount of health he had left. Not for straight dps just in case anyone was wondering what was up with that in the vid
So surely you can have witherhoard, rapid fusion and rockets for the loadout. Hoard him, rockets and then fusion when run out. And if course super damage too.
Witherhoard hotswap to adept hot head field prep/explosive light + Wolfpack rounds gave me ~3 mill damage last night after two phases. Will try izinagi
The analogy for Merceless was perfect. I always call it the bucking bronco. I wish they would make an ornament for it that made it look like a bull or something lol
Prospector? 1k? Did they re-enable Grand Overture? Deterministic Choas? Heart Shadow with Lament for debuff? Two-tailed with cat? I haven't been able to play since before the raid came out and won't be able to until this weekend. Would appreciate more DPS testing.
Honestly? Grand Overture sounds pretty amazing to me, especially considering its insane ammo economy. But fr, the best is defo witherhoard + starfire warlock and any half-competent heavy. you could easily pull off a one-phase with cataclysmic, ascendance, any solar gl, you could even swap out witherhoard for a merciless and some gl for quick unload bc both shoot so fast you're getting your fusions like crazy
Just a weird thought. How much damage do you think a group of Titans with sweet business and the Actium war rig could do? Well them and one well Warlock with div.
I wonder how Fire and Forget would do. Instead of one projectile per shot it's three, and even though Veist Stinger was nerfed Fire and Forget could activate Veist more often than Taipan statistically. Never did any raids with mine which is why I ask the question.
If you can hit your crits, Fire and Forget is great. The issue is that the boss makes it really hard to do so... Can it work? Yes. Is it consistent? F no.
the fact that leviathan's breath isn't here, when it can hit for absurd damage per shot (in my experience, with well + div + 3x void surge = 78k impact + 100k explosion), while having massive reserves, is criminal. People really need to give that bow a try.
Ikelos Sniper does good damage with Seraph Rounds, FTTC, HIR(or Focused Fury), you do have to hit the crits though. I didn't find it too difficult, just hit the chest instead of the div bubble, hotswap to your Rocket Launcher when he jumps in the air, swap back. Can even use something like Witherhoard of Osteo to do tick damage while you do the other two. I think with Nezarec, it's better to throw Tether once he's gotten close to you. I think losing a person to Div on DPS is not optimal. Tether is better, especially for impact weapons like Rocket Launchers/heavy GLs that aren't dependent on hitting crits, AND you get an extra 15% debuff over Div. Your damage test is good for Weapon damage testing, but throwing those high damage supers(CataclyNova, Thundercrash, Blade Barrage) would be the difference between the 1-phase and not getting it. Or you can just save it for Final Stand, which is also fine. I don't think it's optimal to use DoT supers(Gathering Storm, DoT Nova, Chaos Reach). You want stuff that deals all of its damage up front and isn't dependent on the boss standing in one spot. Honestly, you could probably 1-phase this boss with 6 Hunters with SES, Radiant, Golden Gun Marksman. He's not really much of a damage wall.
Love all your videos man! Very thankful for your raid guides and everything else! Also you should try Acadia’s dejection (all with rewind rounds) and 1 divinity!
We did Nezzy today 3x and I dusted off my old Vorpal Cartesian and I was hitting between 2 and 3 mil per dps phase I only knew because of wiping. The div bubble stays around his knees even when he's up in the air if some people didn't know which helped me stay on point with the crit hits. Gonna try my adept Vorpal hothead with the Gally next and craft that grenade launcher thanks Kackis! Edit: My Cartesian isn't even a "god roll" I don't think it, it just has lead from gold and Vorpal with particle repeater and hitmark ls.
What about Osteostriga and auto loading rocket Kackis? For tick damage? How I beat the campaign. Pretty consistent, but curious if it would work in the raid. 🤔
I'd like to see Xenophage or Prospector with the respective surges tried out. I feel like with the buff to grenade launchers and lmgs they might do well
@@dylanmartz7933 is that just because the catalyst reloads it and keeps the ball rolling? The xenon is a tank but takes for freaking ever to reload. That’s what I’ve noticed anyway
1 gally 1 two tailed fox 1 bump in the night with chill clip demo and 3 hotheads all with Starfire and witherhoard if available was what my team used and it shredded him
of the linear fusion rifles did u also test the fire and forget the 3 shot bust if u can build it whit +10 stabiletie frame , corkscrew barel , surplus enhaced trait and chill clip enhaced trait maby it wil slow or freeze the big boss and i also use the boss spec mod that deals more dmg vs boss
Okay so my dps combo can even out about 1 mil in like 10 seconds so here it is(btw I'm a warlock)star fire, haizen vengeance overflow cluster impact casing,wither hoard,god roll callus mini tool, 3 solar weapon buffs and well or you could use a heavy gl that's all
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What about old meta?
2 slugs and anarchy??
Why didn't you make a xur video
I would recommend a test using an arc subclass with Thunderlord and a piece of the new raid armor with the new perk: Precise Jolts. Rapid precision hits with Arc weapons jolts the target. You might find the DPS results surprising.
T-Lord is better if you use triple arc surge, and do the little glitch where you have 3 arc reserve mods on a different chest, rally, then swap back, and keep all your ammo. Everyone in my group did that, and the one phase wasn't that difficult. We would succeed more than twice as often as we failed.
Can you help me vow disciple
Thank you for the hard work! Would love to see the second part featuring Xeno, Prospector, leviathan’s Breath and Touch of Malice!
The new Regnant GL from Defiance can also get Envious Assassin, which can overload the mag with rapid kills (kills in general when enhanced) which might let you do more immediate damage since you don't need to swap.
I run that with Explosive Light and Witherhoard and consistently get 3.5mil+ damage
Holy shit that ris smart
This roll to dump ammo then swap to merciless sounds like it could be fun.
How to get red boarders from it ?
@@SRLula79 Season of Defiance activities and focusing
I love thunderlord for this raid. Was telling everyone I played with thunderlord on day 1 since it did good damage and was more forgiving for missing, and can be used for ads. Theres so many ways to get heavy ammo this season too.
Pugged the raid last night (not in contest) and as we went through we kept looking up the guides. "In Kackis we trust" became a mantra for us over the course of our 4 hour clear. Keep up the good work dude, us plebs need you
😂
Would’ve’ been a 2.5 hour clear if you didn’t have to spend 20 extra minutes per guide lol.. fallout’s guides are the go to
@Callum Boddy i watch both before doing the raid, but i find rick is more thorough with the little nitty gritty things, thus longer vids. Honestly the longest part was learning where the nodes are for the gauntlet
@@Brett1692 yea alot of memorising locations but its a great raid
@Callum Boddy 1000% i also like the fact that there is just some add clear roles, so you can "carry" someone to a first clear by just getting them to kill shit
Nez already has so little health I wouldn't be surprised if you could solo him with salvation grip
wdym? Salvations grip is op
With a over 1h kill on daughters with that thing a 1 phase on nezarac seems pretty reasonable. ruclips.net/video/4VPvnEOw9YE/видео.html
@@unoreverse4998 exactly i managed to kill a dreg with it once
Holy shit good tip ,will be a breeze getting a raid group on LMG when I have salvations grip
That sass 😂😂😂 too true though
My team used Star-Eater Silkstrike Hunter with Tractor instead of Div. Kept up with the damage the others were doing :3
the non precision testing can actually be higher if you swap out the div for a tractor since you dont even require the crit spot and get more dmg buff
I would love to see more of this. The exotic rating videos you did for last wish were some of my favorites.
some interesting dps weapons to try out
heart shadow
parasite
erianas vow
whisper of the worm
one two punch shotguns
outbreak perfected
one thousand voices
wardcliff
Quick tip for people like Mr. Kackis here who are worried about going past the boss when using the Lament, literally just don't press the 'W' key/don't hold forward on your analog stick. Just spam your combos and orientate the camera and you're good to go
Its proper difficult because he jumps up too much
Fourth horsemen works great in a mask of bakris hunter build. Stasis melee reloads your both your fourth horsemen and your rockets. It’s pretty based.
I hope you make a series of this and try multiple different weapons. Good stuff
The new trace rifle from the raid does insane damage too!
I love this trend and I hope Bungie keeps it up, where almost any weapon type is viable for the raid boss. Also that the boss moves around and actually fights the Guardians.
Can you do a run with the new exotic machine gun, Deterministic Chaos, using the volatility artifact and increased void damage artifact with void mods. That would be interesting to see, with the increased damage potential with the fourth shot perks, increased damage and so much volatility...
On my starfire wellock i got 2.9mil using witherhoard and retrofit escapade with enhanced 4ths and target lock. Works great with that build since you're throwing nades as well. Plus the ammo economy is amazing. Not sure how well it would fair on hunter but i imagine it would run with a titan build too.
*quick thought, gyrfalcons hunter would probably be amazing because of the volatile up time and dodge to reload
Don’t have a crafted retrofit :/ but my damage wasn’t close to yours. Could you explain the rotation you did during dps? Cause this is my exact build and I’d love to make it more efficient
I used Starfire and my Incandescent Avalanche machine gun for the entire raid. Best ad clear ever and on Nez I put out a clean 3mil damage in a 2 phase with my team. MG's in general do good damage now and have enough ammo to be used more often outside of DPS too.
During contest mode I was on starfire with arby (boss stun) and hothead, best run got 2.8mil damage, but after 4 hours on Nez still failed, no one else on my team got to 2 mil damage, some not even 1 mil even with rockets and gally....
@@TrainWithCaleb just with the crafted retrofit I was able to pull 2m+ and I used no Grenades. I used lunafaction boots so my team can get better reload speed for more dps
I saw a team one phase hothead, and then merciless. Then for DPS check, there was a swap to rat king to finish the kill.
given how you are point blank wonder if with rockets tractor cannon would be a better option instead of div.
Got. 3.5 hothead, and warlock grenades. I might try sweeper since I got buffed.
Your test using rat king isn’t how that worked for day 1, when hitting final stand and running out of ammo we would swap to eat king or outbreak perfected for the consistent dps for the small amount of health he had left. Not for straight dps just in case anyone was wondering what was up with that in the vid
I mean with the forth you could be using the rally barricade so it’s reloading your guns as you shoot
I was running Aurvandil with chill clip and reconstruction in my kinetic slot. Did solid damage when my rockets ran out
My suggestions for a part two would be the Prospector, and Anarchy hot swapping. Very helpful video overall!
Hey kaksis, what about anarchy and double slug shotguns? Can this be a good strategy for one phasing nezarec?
So surely you can have witherhoard, rapid fusion and rockets for the loadout. Hoard him, rockets and then fusion when run out. And if course super damage too.
But you can only have 1 person using hoard right
@@fran117 yeah but im saying if someone does that then thats even more free dps
Witherhoard hotswap to adept hot head field prep/explosive light + Wolfpack rounds gave me ~3 mill damage last night after two phases. Will try izinagi
Thank you! I'm curious how bows might work here - some pack a punch and have great range, plus infinite ammo.
Looking to try this at the weekend with a few regulars and pugging 3 more.
The analogy for Merceless was perfect. I always call it the bucking bronco. I wish they would make an ornament for it that made it look like a bull or something lol
Demo chill clip bump in the night starfire warlock
Prospector? 1k? Did they re-enable Grand Overture? Deterministic Choas? Heart Shadow with Lament for debuff? Two-tailed with cat? I haven't been able to play since before the raid came out and won't be able to until this weekend. Would appreciate more DPS testing.
Well+ the exotic wavelength trace rifle I'd love to see that weapon be the power house that laser points nez out of existence
Figured you’d test the new Void exotic Machine Gun
Yeah, with the yellow/blue mods/artefact bugs, the usual extra damage from the new Void LMG isn’t a runner for one phasing.
1) Wendigo GL3
2) Hothead
3) Thunderlord
+Any Rapid-Fire Fusion Rifle with Under Pressure+Vorpal
My new favourite for this season, even though I'd hardly used it before: Coldheart.
On my starfire, probably gonna use my wither, gnawing with volatile, and bad omens. All have auto load. Should be a good combo. Also spam nades.
Honestly? Grand Overture sounds pretty amazing to me, especially considering its insane ammo economy. But fr, the best is defo witherhoard + starfire warlock and any half-competent heavy. you could easily pull off a one-phase with cataclysmic, ascendance, any solar gl, you could even swap out witherhoard for a merciless and some gl for quick unload bc both shoot so fast you're getting your fusions like crazy
Actium war rigs dumps the entire thunderlord heavy ammo in one go. Without a reload. Wild stuff
Two Tailed with catalyst op af too. Queenbreaker and Salvations Grip honorable mentions
Wonder how a wendigo would do with cascade point instead of explosive light 🤔
Amazing actually, pair it with merciless on the div bubble and after 2 magnof merciless rush the cascade point, rince and repeat ez 1 phase
dps is good but keep in mind, it has alot less total damage and total damage is what held gls back
if you dont have the catalyst for thunderlord, Heir Apparent is a good choice. was out DPSing everyone on my team.
We used the tractor cannon instead of divinity and did more damage with rat king. It’s also much easier for people to have in lfg
Legend of Acrius with the catalyst giving you Trench Barrel
This is the perfect boss for double slug. Surprised didn't try that
I want to see bastion. I used that as a secondary damage weapon with our rockets and it seemed to be doing well
The Regnant heavy GL is also bpid and wil get damage from volatile too so it'll be higher dps for it too.
I already have a crafted roll for the linear, i got 4 red borders in one week and 1 this week
Sleeper would be interesting thinking about it beeing one of the linears that didnt got nerfed
Hearing kakis say “no cap” made me physically revolt💀😭
I’m compelled to ask because it’s arguably my favorite titan armor exotic: where you using actium war rigs during the thunderlord test?
I heard good stuff on Outbreak Perfected! Please include in your second test. 🙂
Would the weapons listed in this video also be viable in the master difficulty of the raid?
Hey Rick, great vid! Thanks for the info. What about Div with Parasites, like a Atraks fight?
I recommend Grand overture, great weapon.
What about commemoration with reconstruction? and maybe witherhoard with a fusion rifle?
Test two tailed with catalyst also the new strand exotic sidearm &lastly agers septer consuming the super
Pretty cool vid. Afaik, Lumina is still 35% tho and overrides well so there's that too
I heard a team did it on contest with rat king , that’s incredible
Just a weird thought. How much damage do you think a group of Titans with sweet business and the Actium war rig could do? Well them and one well Warlock with div.
I wonder how Fire and Forget would do. Instead of one projectile per shot it's three, and even though Veist Stinger was nerfed Fire and Forget could activate Veist more often than Taipan statistically. Never did any raids with mine which is why I ask the question.
If you can hit your crits, Fire and Forget is great. The issue is that the boss makes it really hard to do so... Can it work? Yes. Is it consistent? F no.
the fact that leviathan's breath isn't here, when it can hit for absurd damage per shot (in my experience, with well + div + 3x void surge = 78k impact + 100k explosion), while having massive reserves, is criminal. People really need to give that bow a try.
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@@Lumini-3 I’m a space wizard not Robin Hood, I’m not shooting the boss with a bow
You won't be able to hit Crits constantly so the DPS is terrible.
Ikelos Sniper does good damage with Seraph Rounds, FTTC, HIR(or Focused Fury), you do have to hit the crits though. I didn't find it too difficult, just hit the chest instead of the div bubble, hotswap to your Rocket Launcher when he jumps in the air, swap back. Can even use something like Witherhoard of Osteo to do tick damage while you do the other two.
I think with Nezarec, it's better to throw Tether once he's gotten close to you. I think losing a person to Div on DPS is not optimal. Tether is better, especially for impact weapons like Rocket Launchers/heavy GLs that aren't dependent on hitting crits, AND you get an extra 15% debuff over Div.
Your damage test is good for Weapon damage testing, but throwing those high damage supers(CataclyNova, Thundercrash, Blade Barrage) would be the difference between the 1-phase and not getting it. Or you can just save it for Final Stand, which is also fine. I don't think it's optimal to use DoT supers(Gathering Storm, DoT Nova, Chaos Reach). You want stuff that deals all of its damage up front and isn't dependent on the boss standing in one spot.
Honestly, you could probably 1-phase this boss with 6 Hunters with SES, Radiant, Golden Gun Marksman. He's not really much of a damage wall.
Try the Fire and Forget Linear Fusion Rifle with Divinity.
Love all your videos man! Very thankful for your raid guides and everything else! Also you should try Acadia’s dejection (all with rewind rounds) and 1 divinity!
hey connor
Witherhord trace rifle, and hot head or any good Rocket and star fire warlock or two melts
I wonder if a zephyr with the cold steel perk would make swords better similarly to how a bump in the night with chill clip can boost rocket dps
Id actually like to see some more weapons like malfeasance or polaris lance too. Just to see if anymore primaries can compete/beat rat king😁
Retrofit Escapade. 4th Time & Target Lock. Word on the street is that it outperforms Thunderlord.
I miss double slug anarchy. That meta would be insane now.
But acrius is also good especially if you understand how to do the reloading
Thunderlord and the new raid armor mod Precise Jolts on a Div bubble
Rat king 6 man contest was funny to watch lmao
We did Nezzy today 3x and I dusted off my old Vorpal Cartesian and I was hitting between 2 and 3 mil per dps phase I only knew because of wiping. The div bubble stays around his knees even when he's up in the air if some people didn't know which helped me stay on point with the crit hits. Gonna try my adept Vorpal hothead with the Gally next and craft that grenade launcher thanks Kackis!
Edit: My Cartesian isn't even a "god roll" I don't think it, it just has lead from gold and Vorpal with particle repeater and hitmark ls.
What about Osteostriga and auto loading rocket Kackis? For tick damage? How I beat the campaign. Pretty consistent, but curious if it would work in the raid. 🤔
Does Div work well with rockets? I thought we wouldn’t be hitting crits?
I'd like to know about the Osteo Striga damage against him.
Couldn't you use the Titan barricade that reloads your weapon when you crouch? For weapons that have longer reload speeds.
Would have been interested to see how slug shotguns woukd have faired.
Two tailed with cat, div and ghalli is really good too
Thanks for the great work!
I'd like to see Xenophage or Prospector with the respective surges tried out. I feel like with the buff to grenade launchers and lmgs they might do well
Me and my friend were curious if xeno or thunder lord were better and thunder way out dps’s it
@@dylanmartz7933 is that just because the catalyst reloads it and keeps the ball rolling? The xenon is a tank but takes for freaking ever to reload. That’s what I’ve noticed anyway
The dmg ramp up combined with self reload and lightning strikes and if you are fancy, the jolt mod from the raid is just spicy
1 gally 1 two tailed fox 1 bump in the night with chill clip demo and 3 hotheads all with Starfire and witherhoard if available was what my team used and it shredded him
@KackisHD How do you overlook Whisper, Succession (w/ Recom + Vorpal), or Thoughtless (w/ Overflow + Focused Fury)?
No lumina I but clear tho? I did it 4 times carried 4 ppl for their emblems, we had to use lumina tho, I used it.
I would use that thunder lord with the titan chest that reloads when u shoot
Armementarium?
@@kadov3579 Actium War rig, Armamentarium is 2 grenades for Titan on any class!
If you don't have hothead is there anything close? Palmyra?
We need a video trying Prospector, Leviathans Breath, and a meme build with 5 titans running Actium War Rig and Sweet Business.
Outbreak Perfected and Touch of Malice tests vs Nezarec would be nice to see
Legendry God roll GL and merciless is a great combo
of the linear fusion rifles did u also test the fire and forget the 3 shot bust if u can build it whit +10 stabiletie frame , corkscrew barel , surplus enhaced trait and chill clip enhaced trait maby it wil slow or freeze the big boss and i also use the boss spec mod that deals more dmg vs boss
Could you try 5 outbreak with div, or 6 outbreaks, my favourite weapon ever and I'd love to see it do some insane damage
How does the recently buffed Anarchy work?
Okay so my dps combo can even out about 1 mil in like 10 seconds so here it is(btw I'm a warlock)star fire, haizen vengeance overflow cluster impact casing,wither hoard,god roll callus mini tool, 3 solar weapon buffs and well or you could use a heavy gl that's all
Vorpal Cartesian Coordinate still slaps
Great video!
Shocked yall didn’t try the new void machine gun
Retrofit escapade is a great alternative for the thunder lord
Newsflash Riptide with ALH & Chill Clip is the best fusion in the game. It feels exotic in every way.
Hot take. Merciless + wendigo/ legendary GL
Izanagi + retrofit escapade is good too