I love something Berlinski said in another program- “What we do know about living systems is that there is a degree of complexity that is almost unfathomable. Complexity wrapped up in complexity wrapped up in complexity forming an an endless panorama of labyrinths” It doesn’t require years of academic study to appreciate the truth of this comment. The average person could be excused for not thinking this is a chance accidental non purposive living system we are part of.
And Berlinski's contribution to understanding the complexity is....... Take all the time you need. Sitting helplessly on the sidelines lying about and sneering at scientists doesn't count.
One of my all-time favourite quotes is from Niels Bohr, regarded as the father of quantum mechanics: *_¨Do not speak more clearly than you are able to think.¨_* No wonder Einstein said to him: *_¨I love your mind.¨_* People may say they believe in evolution, but that doesn't mean they know it. Hence they often say things that do not add up, and they often are not even aware of it. Believing in evolution really has not much to do with science. It has much more to do with choice. In that case, their understanding of science has only become a ruse.
@@nickdial8528 he has lied about having a PhD in mathematics. He has lied about being a post doctoral research fellow at Columbia. His highest qualification in mathematics is a basic bachelors and his grasp of advanced mathematics is pitiful or comedic depending on your mood. A repugnant, lying sneering fraud.
At about the age of eight, I was introduced to Rudyard Kipling's "Just So" stories. It was a good preparation for being introduced to evolutionary thinking in high school.
@@mcmanustony You nor anyone else has seen a bird turn into a bat or cow into a giraffe or an ape into a man. There are boundaries between species which observation has shown. Intentional mutation of bacteria and fruit flies has never resulted in anything but bacteria and fruit flies. Breeders know this and geneticists know this. You don’t know what you are talking about.
@@seaknightvirchow8131 "You don’t know what you are talking about"- adorable. "There are boundaries between species which observation has shown"- boundaries between EXTANT species. This is the law of monophyly. NEW species can emerge WHICH OBSERVATION HAS SHOWN. "You nor anyone else has seen a bird turn into a bat"- correct, the reason being that would violate the law of monophyly. No one- as in NO ONE claims any such thing. Evolution applies to populations not individuals. This is very very basic...and yet you struggle. "ape into a man"....ummm.....humans ARE apes. "APE" is a group of species from the family "hominoidea"- includes gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos AND HUMANS. You might as well say "no one has observed a vegetable turn into a carrot" New species of fruit flies have evolved in the lab- reproductively isolated from their parent populations. "Bacteria" is a KINGDOM of life. What in the name of sanity do you expect bacteria to evolve into? Lenski's LTEE has documented evolution in e-coli happening in real time- one population evolving the ability to anaerobically metabolize citrate. " You don’t know what you are talking about."- absolutely adorable.....
In the beginning God created and since then species have adapted to their changing environment. I can't believe for a single moment that life in all it's complexity is the result of random accidents.
Your point is contradictory. You refuse to believe that life is the result of random accidents yet you claim a ‘god’ created life and it adapted to its environment, which would inevitably include random accidents such as climate changes or natural disasters.
@@JamesLee-iv7ff I realise you got the notification but my comment was directed at the original comment, where he said he couldn't believe that life's complexity was due to randomness. Nevertheless, organisms in a population compete for resources in order to successfully reproduce. Those which succeed, and those which fail, are _determined_ by certain factors. The specific factors depend on the organism, and what it needs to reproduce. The gazelle that can't run fast enough to escape the lion doesn't get eaten _randomly,_ it gets eaten _because_ it couldn't run fast enough.
@@adamheywood113 That is a good point. It’s basic error correction in evolution. Although it is worth noting memetic evolution isn’t deterministic, it’s purely done through free will.
Rdrd Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
No, it's a terrible example. We have the fossil record. If the 'Don Quixote' record of transcriptional errors were as strong, then we might well come to the conclusion of a common descent from some primordial novel. But if the evidence isn't as strong, then the example is non-applicable. This is a classic example of a strawman argument, I'm afraid. A pity that John Anderson didn't push back on that.
Yes, I agree, on all counts. Once a few mistakes accumulate, in a text, it becomes illegible and unpublishable. And so, it is illustrative of how a species becomes extinct ...giving more weight to Darwinian Theory.
No, it's not a great example. It's just Berlinski being his usual pretentious pompous self. He could better spend his time actually learning biology rather than posing as an intellectual.
Vcvc Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
This is the problem with scientism. All of science is our collective best understanding of reality gained by observation. Belief in the ideology of scientism has nothing to do with the scientific method. Our understanding of reality is always imperfect, but to dismiss a theory without presenting a different theory which better explains observations of reality is useless and pointless. This is why climate models and COVID models are useless. Observation of reality override theoretical models.
"to dismiss a theory without presenting a different theory which better explains observations of reality is useless and pointless." I do not agree. People are not looking for a better theory if they erroneously believe the current theory is correct. Pointing out the problems of a theory and dismissing it is not only necessary, it is the scientific method. Per the scientific method, no better theory is necessary at all to disprove a theory. All that is necessary is that the theory does not fit observation. Per the scientific method, once it is proven that a theory does not fit observation, that theory must be abandoned and a new hypothesis must be created and tested. Unfortunately, the modern brand of scientism has largely abandoned the scientific method while pretending to support the scientific method.
I disagree to an extent. I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out inconsistencies without presenting an alternative theory. Science would never get anywhere if you had to have an alternative theory in order to criticize an existing theory. You identify a problem, and _then_ you try to work out a theory that rectifies that problem with observation. It's like saying you can't call a meal bad without offering up a better meal. It just doesn't make sense.
@@thegeneralist7527 "The problem with that stance is you may as well claim reality does not exist." That is a non sequitur. Claiming you do not understand reality is not the same as claiming that reality does not exist; nor is it the same as claiming it is impossible to understand reality. There is no problem with my stance at all. Acknowledging that you do not understand something is the first step of investigation. Acknowledging a lack of understanding means people have some work to do to figure out what is actually going on. Claiming that a theory which is demonstrably incorrect is correct and using it as if it is correct only impedes progress as error after error are duplicated, accumulated, and amplified. The resultant snipe hunting only wastes the time and resources of our best and brightest as they delve deeper and deeper into a never ending abyss of folly. "In such a case science is rather pointless." That is incorrect. Scientific inquiry can only be pointless when it is following the methodology you are proposing which is to keep erroneous theories that do not fit observation. Such methodology is religion and not scientific. Per the scientific method, a hypothesis or theory must be abandoned when it does not fit observation and a new hypothesis or theory must be created and tested. That is a non-negotiable requirement of the scientific method. If that requirement is not met, the person is not utilizing the scientific method at all.
Hghg Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
If you could show transitional forms of Don Quixote to War and Peace, then yes, it would be reasonable to fund research into this concept. We don't (aside from the development of language and culture, but that's not the point Berlinski is trying to make). We have a number of cases of intermediate forms seen in diverse forms such as fossils, genetics, observed inheritance, etc. Moreover, we know that in principle evolution works because we have seen it working, both in lab experiments and in many, many, many cases of digital evolution that show that a random start can result in complex structures. Berlinski states that the environment changes and this invalidates evolutionary theory. He could not be more incorrect. We know that evolution can change organisms, and the changed organisms can change the environment. This results in something called co-evolution and is an area of very active research. All that this video shows is a person who is either ignorant of modern research, or knowledgeable, but for some reason is lying - perhaps because they fear that the truth would upset their presupposition that a perfect god made everything.
Yes, adaptations, mutations and speciations all observable to their limitations but not observable or experimental showing transition where one animal has changed completely.
@@exsalafi393 Do you know the saying, "Rome was not built in a day"? It seems that you are rejecting the fact that major transitions happen because we have not seen them happen in a short period of time. The theory of evolution requires that it takes a long time to see major transitions in biological organisms. Moreover, we do observe small changes (adaptations) that over the time scales theorized by evolution could account for major transitions. Finally, as I mentioned above, in digital evolution experiments that follow that same basic rules as biological evolution and where major transitions can occur in observable time, we do observe major transitions. In short, we have sufficient evidence to accept evolution, and no evidence to support any other model.
@@cliffordbohm Yes Rome was not built in a day but then you forget that this is repeatable and observable. Can you imagine how many fossil records you have to collect and lineup too show a complete transition. Separate the facts from the fictions. Science is not about imaginations, guesses, speculations and beliefs of the unseen.
@@exsalafi393 I honestly don't even know what you are trying to say. Try again with complete sentances. Or don't, because evolution is real and this is a silly conversation. Seriously though, I am a student working towards a phd in the theory of evolution and how evolution can generate cognition. I have been working on my degree for six years so far. Evolution works. Get over it.
@@cliffordbohm If you believe in the unseen, evolution THEORY is for you. Not one example of transitional evidence you can provide, yes not one from you evolutionists.
Lklk Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Cxcx Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
The origins of eyes- which have evolved independently multiple times are well understood. Evolution does not address the origin of life but it's history. Why the obsession with Darwin. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Darwin died. It's not his theory- he died before the advent of genetics, molecular biology, biochemistry.......
@@mcmanustony if it’s well understood, please explain it. How did we get even the most simplest eye from cells that didn’t have that function? Where was its origin?
@@CP-012 There is an excellent video on the subject by Professor Dan Nilsson- who, along with Dr Susanne Pelger, authored a paper on the subject which was then outrageously misrepresented, and quite frankly lied about by the preening narcissist in this video. ruclips.net/video/SV865WOV9HE/видео.html
@@mcmanustony I was sure Charlie was still alive because x'tns use his name more than their imaginary friend. It is an understandable error because Charlie from Darwin at least existed. Thanks for the eye link back to reality. I upvoted that video ages ago and had forgotten it. After a god's gift (Prov 16:4) of the plague of Covid, I will return to the church of Scientism.
Rdrd Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
What Berlinski and many others miss about evolution is that there are TWO absolutely essential factors in how evolution works, not just one. Biology is critical, of course -- but the environment is every bit as critical as biology is. Leave either factor out, and evolution becomes incoherent.
@@rasheedlewis1 Environment determines what a lucky break is. Organisms spread out over wider and wider geographical areas as their population grows, exposing the organisms to different environments, and hence reinforcing or inhibiting the expression of different traits. Error margins in radiometric dating may be as high as 5%. So samples from the Cambrian explosion 500 million years ago may be off by as much as 25 million years, enough time for evolution to occur while samples show "sudden" appearances of fossils that are not actually so sudden after all. Most organisms today are uniquely identifiable through DNA -- that is, even within a species, each organism in that species is quite literally a "mutant" with respect to every other organism in that species. Evolution is working on an entire population of "mutants" at every reproductive cycle -- so evolution is not waiting around for some "lucky" mutation in an individual to break through and somehow become dominant in the genome. It's not so much that the term "lucky break" is categorically incorrect, but rather that the context for interpreting what the term means is ambiguous enough to be misleading and dismissive. Evolution is still a determinative system, so is not a matter of "luck". But it will only occur under certain conditions, and it can be considered "luck" for those conditions to occur in any particular place at any particular time. If you got snake eyes on your first throw of a pair of dice, that would be lucky. But snake eyes are inevitable with enough throws, so is not necessarily "luck" if they eventually turn up.
@@dougsmith6793 Regarding the dice analogy, that is precisely the issue. The chance for snake eyes is 1/36. One chromosome, in one human, has 248,387,328 base pairs. What exactly are the chances of one of these base pairs exhibiting a copy error that results in one imperceivable yet evolving step toward more fit and viable descending species? The number of fossil populations from one "species" to another would have to be literally astronomical. We should quite literally be swimming in fossils. Yet, somehow miraculously, we have gaps in fossil records. And yet, this is somehow chocked up to random mutations?
@@rasheedlewis1 [RASH]: "One chromosome, in one human, has 248,387,328 base pairs. What exactly are the chances of one of these base pairs exhibiting a copy error that results in one imperceivable yet evolving step toward more fit and viable descending species?" Any given reproductive cycle in humans produces an average of 200 mutations. Since this is true for every reproductive cycle, then every organism is literally a mutant with respect to every other organism. Evolution works on populations -- it doesn't wait for some ideal mutation to do what it does. So, the chances are just about always 100% that mutants are abundant in a population. [RASH]: "The number of fossil populations from one "species" to another would have to be literally astronomical. We should quite literally be swimming in fossils. Yet, somehow miraculously, we have gaps in fossil records. And yet, this is somehow chocked up to random mutations?" If we were to dig up the entire planet down to a depth of hundreds or thousands of feet, we could recover a much more complete fossil record. Organisms don't fall on top of each other neatly stacked, and multiple generations of organisms don't automatically encounter conditions favorable to fossilization. Gaps in specific genetic lineages are the norm, not the exception. However, just a single reasonably complete transitional sequence makes the case for evolution. And that sequence is complete enough in whales and humans that calling it "coincidence" is a dodge. Further -- you think evolution is impossible. Therefore, you cannot possibly know how it would have happened (if it actually did). Since you can't possibly know how something that's impossible actually happened (by definition), then any argument you may make against it has no other choice but to be based on ignorance. Creationists already concede so-called "micro" evolution. "Macro" evolution is an accumulation of "micro" evolutions. Further than that, do you realize you're arguing for ID on mutation rates? That in itself is a huge concession -- the naturalists have succeeded in controlling the narrative so thoroughly that even the creationists are forced to argue on naturalistic turf. It's like fighting for control of a street in a city -- in a country that has already lost the war. So God is hiding in mutation rates? God made some law that said that naturalistic mutation rates are permissible for micro-evolution, but off-limits for macro-evolution?
@@bobinindiana Ummm.....no. You made the claim. Why do I have to jump through hoops rather than have you explain it? It's almost as if you've not the faintest idea what you're talking about.
Evolution is the newest religion for the scientists and the people who don’t believe that there is a mind behind the universe. If you happen to be a colleague who disagrees with their theory,excuse me I mean narrative, then you’re berated,accused of being a creationist or discredited to the point where you are found looking for another career path. Berlinski is probably far smarter than anyone who posts on this thread and few of us if any would be willing to stand and debate him on this subject matter. Richard Dawkins himself has said that it looks as though their may be information in the DNA that may be the driving force for evolution and that there may well have been an ancient alien type of event but no doubt those beings who created us came about through the evelutionary process. Really Richard? You’ve laid your king down on a chess board and yet you cling to your hope…. Sounds like religion to me.
Nobody is going to say evolution is "established fact, holy writ". These are two opposite ideas. And in any case, "fact" in science is always provisional.
@@romulus3345 Scientists call things that cannot be, or has not been, disproven theories. The term "law" is no longer used because science is never settled.
@@StigHelmer The science is settled but the atheistic scientific community refuse to accept the truth, instead they continue to search in vain for alternative answers to absolute facts. 1) NOTHING did NOT create EVERYTHING. 2) The DNA code did NOT design itself. 3) All life did NOT evolve from some cell sitting in a primeval swamp.
@@romulus3345 Creation of the Universe is a though one. You may have heard the expression "God of the gaps" - were science currently have no explanation that's were religions people can place their God.
So DNA is an extremely complex strand of arranged information. What exactly is this information comprised of and where did it come from and how did it know it was supposed to be organized on a strand and how and by whom reads and understands this information???
DNA is a chemical molecule but how it assembled itself in such a way to be self replicating and serve as a code for complex organisms under strict natural chance is still an open question scientists have yet to satisfactorily resolve.
@@user-gs4oi1fm4l “assembled itself” implies conscious activity. Do snowflakes with their exquisite symmetries “assemble themselves” As far as what scientists know: the majority view is that RNA preceded DNA. The prebiotic synthesis of RNA is largely understood. It’s replication, like that of DNA follows from the laws of chemistry, not a supernatural “assembler”
@@mcmanustony you're the one who read consciousness into my statement. The assembly of DNA through natural means obviously is widely thought to have originated from RNA but scientists have yet to actually confirm how this was done as no successful synthesis of RNA or DNA under abiogenesis conditions has been replicated yet given the uncanny difficulty and improbability of the needed biomolecules combining the way they would need to with the proposed enzymes and proteins available. The science is far from settled on this question. We can try to predict the future and assert science will achieve this feat and prove such a hypothesis (which i happen to suspect will occur, even if demonstrably difficult) but such a claim is still unproven until such experiment is actually achieved, so until then we are relying on faith in science to justify that claim rather than science itself. Conflating the two is a philosophical error and bad for science.
@@user-gs4oi1fm4l it has nothing to do with faith. Life began on a Tuesday: is a statement of faith. Life began as a result of natural processes involving super high temperatures and pressures and involving the geochemistry of hydrothermal vents: is a hypothesis for which there is much evidence. No “faith” is involved.
I remember the days when RUclips was full of creationists and there were regular debates. Sweet memories. Then they disappeared, almost like the dinosaurs.
@@robertaccornero7172 Creo died the natural and inevitable death. With churches having a 70% dropout of the young because they get educated, the attrition demolishes creo nonsense concomitantly. Paranoid thinking about removing superstitious beliefs indicates you need YT search skills. Creo rubbish infects YT, and proper scientists waste so much time putting idiotic thinking back in its place when they should be focussing on new research.
Wsws Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Organisms in a population are non-identical. They compete for resources to ensure replication; resources which are limited. Through their uniqueness, some members of the population have advantages over others. Through the inheritance of characteristics, the more successful members pass these traits to the next generation. This is not difficult.
That's not evolution. And it doesn't explain where the information for the characteristics came from in the first place. Traits can be inherited, but there are boundaries to change. A reptile cannot become a bird.
@@scottb4579 1: Evolution is the change in allele frequencies in a population over time. What I described was natural selection, which is the main driving force of evolution. 2: I wasn't attempting to explain how novelties arise, I was attempting to explain how advantages propagate. These advantages arise through a combination of mutation and of genetic recombination. 3: Boundaries? Please explain 4: An interesting example. [A reptile] indeed does not become [a bird]. That said, birds are descended from reptiles. A population of reptiles developed features, as generations passed, that we would today describe as "bird-like".
@@adamheywood113 No, natural selection is not the main driving force of evolution. It can only select from information that is there. It doesn't create information. Birds are not descended from reptiles. This is impossible.
@@adamheywood113 Information. Mindless, non living stuff never produces information. We have information encoded digitally onto the DNA molecule. Information always comes from a mind. Evolution cannot produce new information. Variation within species, a change in allele frequencies, never produces new information, and cannot cause, for instance, certain reptiles to become birds over time. Evolution "possible"? How? Prove it?
He's just trying to pay the bills. His academic career was an unmitigated disaster so he's embraced creationism as a good income stream from gullible US conservatives too scientifically illiterate to see that he's a pompous fraud.
@@JamesLee-iv7ff "That's the kind of anecdotal story that's told." If the elephant trunk business is an "anecdotal story," he would appear to be pooh-poohing Lanmarckism rather than pushing it.
Kmkm Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Correct I shall. Many evolutionists use Lamarckism as a vain pejorative and it is a totally meaningless. BTW, it isn't dead, only some wishes that it should be. Does it strike me that Berlinski is one? Nope, so that arrow is very much misdirected. It says more about you than him, _ho-hum._
I am in total agreement with the doc.........more questions need to be asked...but...he needs to drop a few bucks and get a better cam....look at the communication device with the 12 buttons and wires to his left..Ha.....Peace!
Gtgt Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Whilst expressing belief in the blind and random nature of evolution, even Attenborough can be heard putting the cart before the horse to explain what this or that beak, protuberance or dangly bit "is for". No, I am not a creationist, but this sloppy mode of expression says as much about the speaker as it does about the dangly bits.
Lklk Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
@@Juan-lf6qo Im not against anyone believing in god as a disclaimer. However if u worship a God that is all knowing and exists outside of time capable of knowing the end and the beginning the true Alpha and Omega. Then Isn't alot to worry about the clay will not surprise the potter. Those that believe will do so ..those that will not will not. And both are playing the parts written for them.
I watched Berlinski in a Firing Line debate on evolution. The evolutionary biologists looked absolutely infantile in their arguments. Berlinski was suave and incisive in his arguments. A couple of the pro evolution people also declared they were devout Catholics but were adamant that God had nothing to do with the appearance of life forms on earth.Huh?…I don’t think evolutionary biologists are the sharpest spoons in the drawer.
An animal can only change if the environment allows it in unity with it. The animal and its environment are one. There is only trees and shrubs, fish, birds, cattle, wild animals, crawling things and Man. But there are kinds.
Gvgv Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
we are made out of atoms, so energy, so frequencies, the aminoacid see as we see through eyes through frequency and adapt according to what they see or shell I say feels.
Well, he's certainly not an expert on the history of printing :p Don Quixote was written at least two centuries after the invention of the moveable type printing press. No Monks involved in its publication,
Hghg Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
It was a theoretical to illustrate how silly Darwinian Evolution is given the complexities of biological systems and how delicate they actually through a basically accessible illustration
@@mcmanustony Talking to himself and his imaginary audience, like a hobo collecting cigarette ends on a sidewalk. The poor dudes who mothers hasten their child past in the hope of not making eye contact.
@@mcmanustony You raised a good point. I suspect it was recommended to J.A. by creationist loons. J.A. has excellent intentions and will be more careful next time. The x'tn right in the USA are a pretty tight bunch and probably sold J.A. this bucket of slops.
Mnmn Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Wsws Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Kjkj Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Lklk Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Xsxs Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
I guess it is hard for Darwinists to accept that they have been engaged pseudoscience all along. It kind of negates your credibility as a real scientist.and to have other scientists snicker at you….hard. Some heavy duty denial going on.
@@eddyeldridge7427 That has to be one of the funniest attempted take downs I've ever heard. Have you read SJ Gould's book on the Burgess Shale in Canada? I'll assume no, because he admits this single rock formation disproves gradualism and caused Stephen to adopt saltation. Until you understand your opponent's arguments you cannot claim an education. Correct?
Evolution theory doesn't say that everything is explained by copying errors in DNA. So Berlinski is attacking a straw-man of his own creation. He is attacking some kinds of "scientism", perhaps. However, there are many more things that are explainable by our genetics that we are not yet aware of. Also, if God is the All, and Infinite, then God is behind, and in. and composes every aspect of evolution. Also, his analogy of changing one book into an altogether different book is completely false. A better analogy would be, for example, re-interpreting a single word from a book, such as the word "God" in the Bible, which completely changes the meaning and function of the book. This would be like a single mutation which changes everything.
Tctc Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
@@NSOcarth "change an important word and the text SCREAMS : ERROR !!!" This is true. To atheists, the things that Christians believe SCREAMS : ERROR !!! In my view, the error exists because Christians have misinterpreted what God is, but Christians themselves cannot see the error, in the same way that a crazy person doesn't know they are crazy.
Hmm... I'm not sure, might be damaging a little of your channel's credibility with this one. Evolution is probably the closest thing to a physical law the biological sciences have, because the really cool thing about it is it doesn't just apply to biology. There's a branch of AI called evolutionary algorithms, where all you need is some way to evaluate fitness and random mutations, and then evolution will do the rest. In some cases these can outperform humans - NASA's even used aerials evolved from some of these algorithms on some of their spacecrafts.
I wouldn't say that you damage the credibility of a channel dedicated to conversation by allowing someone to express an opinion contrary to the status quo. Your points addressing his points are THE point. It got you to think about, articulate and express a counter opinion so I'd say it's wholly credible 😊
No, you must be able to question theory or it is not science. Evolution like relativity has withstood many attacks but to date no-one has disproven either theory or been able to come up with a better one to explain observation.
@@thegeneralist7527 Look into Halton Arp's work. He's dead now, but he claimed that he could reproduce all the triumphs of GR with a generalized solution to Einstein's field equations where the mass of particles does not remain constant across time. I'm no physicist, so I can't refute or verify his claims, but the idea is very intriguing.
@@thegeneralist7527 yes, you must question, but the questioners should have a good understanding of what they’re questioning. This is just dumb. A good high school student has a better understanding of evolution than these two, unless they’re knowingly propagandizing, in which case they’re not even very good at that.
Wsws Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Wow. Just wow. I love so much of the discussion you present John, but this is such a horrible misrepresentation of the mechanisms which drive evolution and explain the current tiny snapshot of life that currently inhabits our planet.
Or you haven't a clue what you're talking about?? Another interpretation. Why would chemicals want to create biology??? Especially when in the only law in physics that will never be broken states, thing's go form order to disorder. Ie time is the enemy. You probably still believe that face nappies are effective against influenza too???
@@JustT725 ruclips.net/video/lIEoO5KdPvg/видео.html A simple video outlining the evidence for evolution, suitable for high school will explain, along with the plethora of comments already posted by others outlining the mechanisms of evolution.
Nbnb Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
@@mmatt2613 Once a few mistakes accumulate in the text, it becomes illegible and unpublishable. It's more illustrative of how a species might become extinct, further bolstering Darwinian Theory. [those mistake making Monks, would never go to heaven, lol]
@@mmatt2613 books don’t reproduce; don’t compete for limited resources; don’t pass on heritable traits to offspring. His “analogy” is as much use as a cast iron cabbage. Berlinski is a nasty, bitter old fraud with bills to pay- nothing more
Vcvc Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
I think he finds it intellectually insulting more than distasteful. I think anyone with a jot of wit does not find the theory credible…or the “ scientists” who do.
@@302indian utter nonsense. There are 250,000 research papers in the primary literature of over a dozen branches of science- not one of which Berlinski has studied- detailing the theory of evolution. How many have you read?
Berlinski is a failed academic with bills to pay. There's good money to be made on the right wing Christian fundamentalist circuit in denying the reality evolution to audiences of scientifically illiterate zealots. He simply doesn't know enough about anything to have a worthwhile view of evolution. A pretentious lying poseur and nothing more.
I haven’t read any of those papers but I bet that feller Richard Dawkins has and he is about as smart as a stick, so I don’t think I am missing anything.
@@302indian Dawkins WROTE some of the papers in question. He's one of the most distinguished scientists alive- unlike the preening, lying poseur in this video.
He was not a post doctoral fellow in anything anywhere. He failed to find an academic job in philosophy and was a non tenured and/or part time TEACHING ASSISTANT at several institutions- from the large majority of which he was fired.
Wow, nice character assassination. So. So rather than address the merits of the conversation, you simply resort to character assassination and appeal to authority logical fallacies. Meanwhile, these phD's and various professors you think are so great, can't even tell you what a woman is. unbelievable.
Wqwq Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
@@eddyeldridge7427 Wow! I bet you thought that was clever!😄 What a childlike view! 👏👏👏 I'm impressed you learned how to push the buttons on your computer! 🙄 Learn spelling and punctuation. You know, the basics, and I'm sure your writing will improve! 🤔 Maybe when you evolve thumbs!🤨
Hbh Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
what exactly is he brilliant at? His academic career was a miserable failure, his books are out of print and he lives of welfare cheques from a fundamentalist creationist pressure group. But he does good vocals?
Oh, so he's studied this for over 60 years and he has no idea of what it really is, while you can judge him because you're amazing. What the heck do you know about life? Grow up
@@MrKlose-iy5hk Yes, I can judge him by the strength of his arguments. Anyone can do that. He compares the evolution of whales to modifying a cow. He either does not understand evolution, or he has wilfully blinded himself to the available evidence.
Wsws Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
@@NSOcarth Here is the basic mechanism around Natural Selection, the mechanism that Darwin proposed, and have been verified by literally millions of experiments over the past 160 years. 1. Natural is prolific. Far more offspring are born than can possibly survive to breed. 2. Offspring are not identical. They are individuals with their own traits and characteristics. 3. If any of these traits aid in survival or give some slight advantage in reproduction, and the traits are heritable, then over the generations, they will spread through the population and come to dominate. This is the simple, yet genius mechanism that Darwin proposed to explain the diversity of life. This is not the only mechanism, but it is the mechanism that accounts for adaptive change of a population in an environment over time.
Oh dear, What embarrassingly naive arguments and comparisons. Literary evolution as an example of evolution works- I don’t think so. I appreciate your interviews and excellent, polite interview techniques and wonder how you can hold back when someone so obviously puts forward an unscientific argument whilst trying to appear scientific. I’d love to see him debate Richard Dawkins.
@@inisboru3181 Abiogenesis isn't evolution. We don't know the exact conditions earth had when life first was spawned and you are free to use God as filler while we research this.
' I'd love to see him debate Richard Dawkins' you effectively can if you read his book 'The Devil's Delusion' in response to Dawkin's book "The God Delusion".
And like your doing by drawing a comparison to flat earth theory in order to discredit it. Don't attack with argument, buddy. Just insult it. Good for you.
@@mmatt2613 that's simply a false statement. If you think otherwise you're living a delusion. Btw you can still be religious and accept evolution as fact. And many do.
So you think chemicals at their AGM decided to create biology defying the only law in physics that will never be broken, which is thing's go from order to disorder??? Tell me are face masks effective against influenza??? You're the bullshitter.
@@charleshillman2010 A Russian experiment ran for 150 years in which they transformed silver foxes into basically dogs. It might be doable to change a breed of dogs into a cat like animal, maybe 10.000 generations with a very strict selection, impossible to know. Evolution doesn't operate with a goal - species adapt to changes in the environment, e.g. colder climate results in thicker fur, lots of snow results in white fur - that's how brown bears turned into polar bears.
I can't believe this guy is an ivy league school professor. The only portion that could even be considered an "argument" was his Don Quixote analogy, which is so unintelligent and absurd. There was no selection mechanism listed in the analogy. Darwinian evolutionary theory would require some form of selection mechanism for the survival of each generation of the copying differences. If anything, the selection mechanism would be READERS, and therefore it would never even get close to evolving into War and Peace, because the copying errors would be noticed immediately and not copied further. If anything, the selection pressure in that example would select for the book remaining the same generation after generation. Even a layman like myself can see this, and I'm a Christian. I am disappointed by the hype for this guy.
He was never a professor. Don't believe the hype. He never managed to get a full time academic job and was fired from almost all the temp teaching assistant gigs he ever had. He's a pretentious sneering fraud.
The American Association for the Advancement of Science statement on evolution: "Evolution is one of the most robust and widely accepted principles of modern science. It is the foundation for research in a wide array of scientific fields and, accordingly, a core element in science education. The AAAS Board of Directors is deeply concerned, therefore, about legislation and policies recently introduced in a number of states and localities that would undermine the teaching of evolution and deprive students of the education they need to be informed and productive citizens in an increasingly technological, global community. Although their language and strategy differ, all of these proposals, if passed, would weaken science education. The AAAS Board of Directors strongly opposes these attacks on the integrity of science and science education. They threaten not just the teaching of evolution, but students’ understanding of the biological, physical, and geological sciences."
I believe in free speech, and I believe that we should all be exposed to ideas which question the fundamental assumptions upon which we base our world view. Unfortunately, your giving airtime to cultist pseudoscience just causes me to review my previously favourable opinion of your channel.
@@muesique Abiogenesis science isn't settled yet but shouldn't be confused with evolution. The evolution of the eye is a prime example often used to exactly demonstrate how evolution works since we can actually look at different eyes on different species from a single cell that react to light to the complex eye of an owl. Google "evolution of the eye". If you believe in God then the explanation you adopt, and this doesn't conflict with science, that God created the conditions necessary for life to be created. That God guided evolution to form the Human species in his image. No science will ever disprove this.
Kmkm Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Why does Berlinski force randomness into the concept of selection? The "environment is random?" Who cares? The environment is the context in which natural selection takes place. But this guy seems to think that if you have a hand of randomly dealt cards, then you could just as well play them randomly. Absurdity! But I know why he's got all those credentials. It's in the surname.
Trtr Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
I love something Berlinski said in another program- “What we do know about living systems is that there is a degree of complexity that is almost unfathomable. Complexity wrapped up in complexity wrapped up in complexity forming an an endless panorama of labyrinths”
It doesn’t require years of academic study to appreciate the truth of this comment. The average person could be excused for not thinking this is a chance accidental non purposive living system we are part of.
And Berlinski's contribution to understanding the complexity is.......
Take all the time you need.
Sitting helplessly on the sidelines lying about and sneering at scientists doesn't count.
And the "intellectual" could be excused for thinking they know more than they actually do and have it figured out, regarding these complexities.
@@mcmanustony
What did he lie about?
One of my all-time favourite quotes is from Niels Bohr, regarded as the father of quantum mechanics:
*_¨Do not speak more clearly than you are able to think.¨_*
No wonder Einstein said to him: *_¨I love your mind.¨_*
People may say they believe in evolution, but that doesn't mean they know it. Hence they often say things that do not add up, and they often are not even aware of it.
Believing in evolution really has not much to do with science. It has much more to do with choice. In that case, their understanding of science has only become a ruse.
@@nickdial8528 he has lied about having a PhD in mathematics. He has lied about being a post doctoral research fellow at Columbia.
His highest qualification in mathematics is a basic bachelors and his grasp of advanced mathematics is pitiful or comedic depending on your mood.
A repugnant, lying sneering fraud.
At about the age of eight, I was introduced to Rudyard Kipling's "Just So" stories. It was a good preparation for being introduced to evolutionary thinking in high school.
Exactly. Lamarckian inheritance was called a ‘just so story’ but it is also true of macroevolution.
@@seaknightvirchow8131 No it isn't. Marco evolution- which I doubt you could define- has been observed and documented.
@@mcmanustony You nor anyone else has seen a bird turn into a bat or cow into a giraffe or an ape into a man. There are boundaries between species which observation has shown. Intentional mutation of bacteria and fruit flies has never resulted in anything but bacteria and fruit flies. Breeders know this and geneticists know this. You don’t know what you are talking about.
@@seaknightvirchow8131 can you define macro evolution?
@@seaknightvirchow8131 "You don’t know what you are talking about"- adorable.
"There are boundaries between species which observation has shown"- boundaries between EXTANT species. This is the law of monophyly. NEW species can emerge WHICH OBSERVATION HAS SHOWN.
"You nor anyone else has seen a bird turn into a bat"- correct, the reason being that would violate the law of monophyly. No one- as in NO ONE claims any such thing.
Evolution applies to populations not individuals. This is very very basic...and yet you struggle.
"ape into a man"....ummm.....humans ARE apes. "APE" is a group of species from the family "hominoidea"- includes gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos AND HUMANS. You might as well say "no one has observed a vegetable turn into a carrot"
New species of fruit flies have evolved in the lab- reproductively isolated from their parent populations.
"Bacteria" is a KINGDOM of life. What in the name of sanity do you expect bacteria to evolve into? Lenski's LTEE has documented evolution in e-coli happening in real time- one population evolving the ability to anaerobically metabolize citrate.
" You don’t know what you are talking about."- absolutely adorable.....
In the beginning God created and since then species have adapted to their changing environment. I can't believe for a single moment that life in all it's complexity is the result of random accidents.
Your point is contradictory. You refuse to believe that life is the result of random accidents yet you claim a ‘god’ created life and it adapted to its environment, which would inevitably include random accidents such as climate changes or natural disasters.
Evolution isn't random, it's deterministic.
@@adamheywood113 deterministic? Is that in reference to my comment or the original?
@@JamesLee-iv7ff I realise you got the notification but my comment was directed at the original comment, where he said he couldn't believe that life's complexity was due to randomness.
Nevertheless, organisms in a population compete for resources in order to successfully reproduce. Those which succeed, and those which fail, are _determined_ by certain factors. The specific factors depend on the organism, and what it needs to reproduce.
The gazelle that can't run fast enough to escape the lion doesn't get eaten _randomly,_ it gets eaten _because_ it couldn't run fast enough.
@@adamheywood113 That is a good point. It’s basic error correction in evolution. Although it is worth noting memetic evolution isn’t deterministic, it’s purely done through free will.
Funny how politicians are so intelligent AFTER their time in office
Maybe it's because they're no longer constrained by voters.
Rdrd
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Hahahah. Great! Comparing the transcriptional errors that turned Don Quixote into War And Peace! Funny but lucid.
No, it's a terrible example. We have the fossil record. If the 'Don Quixote' record of transcriptional errors were as strong, then we might well come to the conclusion of a common descent from some primordial novel. But if the evidence isn't as strong, then the example is non-applicable. This is a classic example of a strawman argument, I'm afraid. A pity that John Anderson didn't push back on that.
Yes, I agree, on all counts. Once a few mistakes accumulate, in a text, it becomes illegible and unpublishable. And so, it is illustrative of how a species becomes extinct ...giving more weight to Darwinian Theory.
No, it's not a great example. It's just Berlinski being his usual pretentious pompous self. He could better spend his time actually learning biology rather than posing as an intellectual.
Vcvc
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
This is the problem with scientism. All of science is our collective best understanding of reality gained by observation. Belief in the ideology of scientism has nothing to do with the scientific method. Our understanding of reality is always imperfect, but to dismiss a theory without presenting a different theory which better explains observations of reality is useless and pointless. This is why climate models and COVID models are useless. Observation of reality override theoretical models.
"to dismiss a theory without presenting a different theory which better explains observations of reality is useless and pointless." I do not agree. People are not looking for a better theory if they erroneously believe the current theory is correct. Pointing out the problems of a theory and dismissing it is not only necessary, it is the scientific method. Per the scientific method, no better theory is necessary at all to disprove a theory. All that is necessary is that the theory does not fit observation. Per the scientific method, once it is proven that a theory does not fit observation, that theory must be abandoned and a new hypothesis must be created and tested. Unfortunately, the modern brand of scientism has largely abandoned the scientific method while pretending to support the scientific method.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 The problem with that stance is you may as well claim reality does not exist. In such a case science is rather pointless.
I disagree to an extent. I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out inconsistencies without presenting an alternative theory. Science would never get anywhere if you had to have an alternative theory in order to criticize an existing theory. You identify a problem, and _then_ you try to work out a theory that rectifies that problem with observation. It's like saying you can't call a meal bad without offering up a better meal. It just doesn't make sense.
@@thegeneralist7527 "The problem with that stance is you may as well claim reality does not exist." That is a non sequitur. Claiming you do not understand reality is not the same as claiming that reality does not exist; nor is it the same as claiming it is impossible to understand reality. There is no problem with my stance at all. Acknowledging that you do not understand something is the first step of investigation. Acknowledging a lack of understanding means people have some work to do to figure out what is actually going on. Claiming that a theory which is demonstrably incorrect is correct and using it as if it is correct only impedes progress as error after error are duplicated, accumulated, and amplified. The resultant snipe hunting only wastes the time and resources of our best and brightest as they delve deeper and deeper into a never ending abyss of folly.
"In such a case science is rather pointless." That is incorrect. Scientific inquiry can only be pointless when it is following the methodology you are proposing which is to keep erroneous theories that do not fit observation. Such methodology is religion and not scientific. Per the scientific method, a hypothesis or theory must be abandoned when it does not fit observation and a new hypothesis or theory must be created and tested. That is a non-negotiable requirement of the scientific method. If that requirement is not met, the person is not utilizing the scientific method at all.
Hghg
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
If you could show transitional forms of Don Quixote to War and Peace, then yes, it would be reasonable to fund research into this concept. We don't (aside from the development of language and culture, but that's not the point Berlinski is trying to make). We have a number of cases of intermediate forms seen in diverse forms such as fossils, genetics, observed inheritance, etc. Moreover, we know that in principle evolution works because we have seen it working, both in lab experiments and in many, many, many cases of digital evolution that show that a random start can result in complex structures.
Berlinski states that the environment changes and this invalidates evolutionary theory. He could not be more incorrect. We know that evolution can change organisms, and the changed organisms can change the environment. This results in something called co-evolution and is an area of very active research.
All that this video shows is a person who is either ignorant of modern research, or knowledgeable, but for some reason is lying - perhaps because they fear that the truth would upset their presupposition that a perfect god made everything.
Yes, adaptations, mutations and speciations all observable to their limitations but not observable or experimental showing transition where one animal has changed completely.
@@exsalafi393 Do you know the saying, "Rome was not built in a day"?
It seems that you are rejecting the fact that major transitions happen because we have not seen them happen in a short period of time. The theory of evolution requires that it takes a long time to see major transitions in biological organisms. Moreover, we do observe small changes (adaptations) that over the time scales theorized by evolution could account for major transitions.
Finally, as I mentioned above, in digital evolution experiments that follow that same basic rules as biological evolution and where major transitions can occur in observable time, we do observe major transitions.
In short, we have sufficient evidence to accept evolution, and no evidence to support any other model.
@@cliffordbohm
Yes Rome was not built in a day but then you forget that this is repeatable and observable.
Can you imagine how many fossil records you have to collect and lineup too show a complete transition.
Separate the facts from the fictions.
Science is not about imaginations, guesses, speculations and beliefs of the unseen.
@@exsalafi393 I honestly don't even know what you are trying to say. Try again with complete sentances. Or don't, because evolution is real and this is a silly conversation.
Seriously though, I am a student working towards a phd in the theory of evolution and how evolution can generate cognition. I have been working on my degree for six years so far. Evolution works. Get over it.
@@cliffordbohm
If you believe in the unseen, evolution THEORY is for you.
Not one example of transitional evidence you can provide, yes not one from you evolutionists.
The analogy of Don Quixote turning into War & Peace was a supreme example of the silliness of Darwin.
Lklk
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
.....is a supreme example of the silliness/ignorance/pretension of Berlinski.
There fixed it for you
@@mcmanustony Darwin was mentally challenged and so are their followers.
People only accept evolution because they lack any better answers.
Cxcx
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
People accept evolution because it is demonstrably true.
@@mcmanustony nope
@@unculturedswine4360 You have to info to falsify it?
@@unculturedswine4360 Still waiting for you to falsify the cornerstone of the life sciences.
Origins: that’s the biggest question that Darwin can’t provide. Life from non life. Even the origins of the eye or the feather.
The origins of eyes- which have evolved independently multiple times are well understood. Evolution does not address the origin of life but it's history.
Why the obsession with Darwin. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Darwin died. It's not his theory- he died before the advent of genetics, molecular biology, biochemistry.......
@@mcmanustony if it’s well understood, please explain it. How did we get even the most simplest eye from cells that didn’t have that function? Where was its origin?
@@CP-012 There is an excellent video on the subject by Professor Dan Nilsson- who, along with Dr Susanne Pelger, authored a paper on the subject which was then outrageously misrepresented, and quite frankly lied about by the preening narcissist in this video.
ruclips.net/video/SV865WOV9HE/видео.html
@@mcmanustony
I was sure Charlie was still alive because x'tns use his name more than their imaginary friend. It is an understandable error because Charlie from Darwin at least existed.
Thanks for the eye link back to reality. I upvoted that video ages ago and had forgotten it. After a god's gift (Prov 16:4) of the plague of Covid, I will return to the church of Scientism.
Rdrd
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
What Berlinski and many others miss about evolution is that there are TWO absolutely essential factors in how evolution works, not just one. Biology is critical, of course -- but the environment is every bit as critical as biology is. Leave either factor out, and evolution becomes incoherent.
@7:00 he touches on environment. But how does bringing in environment discredit his argument that evolution is all just "lucky breaks"?
@@rasheedlewis1
Environment determines what a lucky break is. Organisms spread out over wider and wider geographical areas as their population grows, exposing the organisms to different environments, and hence reinforcing or inhibiting the expression of different traits. Error margins in radiometric dating may be as high as 5%. So samples from the Cambrian explosion 500 million years ago may be off by as much as 25 million years, enough time for evolution to occur while samples show "sudden" appearances of fossils that are not actually so sudden after all. Most organisms today are uniquely identifiable through DNA -- that is, even within a species, each organism in that species is quite literally a "mutant" with respect to every other organism in that species. Evolution is working on an entire population of "mutants" at every reproductive cycle -- so evolution is not waiting around for some "lucky" mutation in an individual to break through and somehow become dominant in the genome.
It's not so much that the term "lucky break" is categorically incorrect, but rather that the context for interpreting what the term means is ambiguous enough to be misleading and dismissive. Evolution is still a determinative system, so is not a matter of "luck". But it will only occur under certain conditions, and it can be considered "luck" for those conditions to occur in any particular place at any particular time. If you got snake eyes on your first throw of a pair of dice, that would be lucky. But snake eyes are inevitable with enough throws, so is not necessarily "luck" if they eventually turn up.
@@dougsmith6793
Regarding the dice analogy, that is precisely the issue. The chance for snake eyes is 1/36.
One chromosome, in one human, has 248,387,328 base pairs. What exactly are the chances of one of these base pairs exhibiting a copy error that results in one imperceivable yet evolving step toward more fit and viable descending species?
The number of fossil populations from one "species" to another would have to be literally astronomical. We should quite literally be swimming in fossils. Yet, somehow miraculously, we have gaps in fossil records. And yet, this is somehow chocked up to random mutations?
@@dougsmith6793
ruclips.net/video/ITqiIQu-fbA/видео.html
@@rasheedlewis1
[RASH]: "One chromosome, in one human, has 248,387,328 base pairs. What exactly are the chances of one of these base pairs exhibiting a copy error that results in one imperceivable yet evolving step toward more fit and viable descending species?"
Any given reproductive cycle in humans produces an average of 200 mutations. Since this is true for every reproductive cycle, then every organism is literally a mutant with respect to every other organism. Evolution works on populations -- it doesn't wait for some ideal mutation to do what it does. So, the chances are just about always 100% that mutants are abundant in a population.
[RASH]: "The number of fossil populations from one "species" to another would have to be literally astronomical. We should quite literally be swimming in fossils. Yet, somehow miraculously, we have gaps in fossil records. And yet, this is somehow chocked up to random mutations?"
If we were to dig up the entire planet down to a depth of hundreds or thousands of feet, we could recover a much more complete fossil record. Organisms don't fall on top of each other neatly stacked, and multiple generations of organisms don't automatically encounter conditions favorable to fossilization. Gaps in specific genetic lineages are the norm, not the exception. However, just a single reasonably complete transitional sequence makes the case for evolution. And that sequence is complete enough in whales and humans that calling it "coincidence" is a dodge.
Further -- you think evolution is impossible. Therefore, you cannot possibly know how it would have happened (if it actually did). Since you can't possibly know how something that's impossible actually happened (by definition), then any argument you may make against it has no other choice but to be based on ignorance.
Creationists already concede so-called "micro" evolution. "Macro" evolution is an accumulation of "micro" evolutions.
Further than that, do you realize you're arguing for ID on mutation rates? That in itself is a huge concession -- the naturalists have succeeded in controlling the narrative so thoroughly that even the creationists are forced to argue on naturalistic turf. It's like fighting for control of a street in a city -- in a country that has already lost the war. So God is hiding in mutation rates? God made some law that said that naturalistic mutation rates are permissible for micro-evolution, but off-limits for macro-evolution?
“Flaws”? Impossibilities! The scientific mathematics of DNA overthrows the 19th century thinking.
Which mathematics would that be?
....and still we wait.....
@@mcmanustony Sorry. Just search mathematics evolution
@@bobinindiana Ummm.....no. You made the claim. Why do I have to jump through hoops rather than have you explain it? It's almost as if you've not the faintest idea what you're talking about.
@@mcmanustony I had one post rejected for giving a link. Check the issue out for yourself.
Evolution is the newest religion for the scientists and the people who don’t believe that there is a mind behind the universe. If you happen to be a colleague who disagrees with their theory,excuse me I mean narrative, then you’re berated,accused of being a creationist or discredited to the point where you are found looking for another career path. Berlinski is probably far smarter than anyone who posts on this thread and few of us if any would be willing to stand and debate him on this subject matter. Richard Dawkins himself has said that it looks as though their may be information in the DNA that may be the driving force for evolution and that there may well have been an ancient alien type of event but no doubt those beings who created us came about through the evelutionary process. Really Richard? You’ve laid your king down on a chess board and yet you cling to your hope…. Sounds like religion to me.
Lots of grievous misunderstandings in your post.
His argument is baseless. He's arguing from analogy. DNA is not a book. You might find his intellect dizzying, but the rest of us don't.
@@NSOcarth
You having the same misinformed beliefs on things doesn't mean what you think it means.
Evolution is not science, but science fiction.
@@lesegosekwele6471wrong …..but here’s a sticker for trying to
Nobody is going to say evolution is "established fact, holy writ". These are two opposite ideas. And in any case, "fact" in science is always provisional.
Evolution is a theory nothing more.
@@romulus3345 But neither less.
@@romulus3345 Scientists call things that cannot be, or has not been, disproven theories. The term "law" is no longer used because science is never settled.
@@StigHelmer The science is settled but the atheistic scientific community refuse to accept the truth, instead they continue to search in vain for alternative answers to absolute facts. 1) NOTHING did NOT create EVERYTHING. 2) The DNA code did NOT design itself. 3) All life did NOT evolve from some cell sitting in a primeval swamp.
@@romulus3345 Creation of the Universe is a though one. You may have heard the expression "God of the gaps" - were science currently have no explanation that's were religions people can place their God.
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Notice the slight pauses in his speech, it's wonderful to see someone who is just brilliant. I admire it. I need to hear more from this man.
or better still, a real actual scientist.....
So DNA is an extremely complex strand of arranged information. What exactly is this information comprised of and where did it come from and how did it know it was supposed to be organized on a strand and how and by whom reads and understands this information???
DNA is a molecule......that's all
DNA is a chemical molecule but how it assembled itself in such a way to be self replicating and serve as a code for complex organisms under strict natural chance is still an open question scientists have yet to satisfactorily resolve.
@@user-gs4oi1fm4l “assembled itself” implies conscious activity. Do snowflakes with their exquisite symmetries “assemble themselves”
As far as what scientists know: the majority view is that RNA preceded DNA. The prebiotic synthesis of RNA is largely understood. It’s replication, like that of DNA follows from the laws of chemistry, not a supernatural “assembler”
@@mcmanustony you're the one who read consciousness into my statement. The assembly of DNA through natural means obviously is widely thought to have originated from RNA but scientists have yet to actually confirm how this was done as no successful synthesis of RNA or DNA under abiogenesis conditions has been replicated yet given the uncanny difficulty and improbability of the needed biomolecules combining the way they would need to with the proposed enzymes and proteins available. The science is far from settled on this question. We can try to predict the future and assert science will achieve this feat and prove such a hypothesis (which i happen to suspect will occur, even if demonstrably difficult) but such a claim is still unproven until such experiment is actually achieved, so until then we are relying on faith in science to justify that claim rather than science itself. Conflating the two is a philosophical error and bad for science.
@@user-gs4oi1fm4l it has nothing to do with faith.
Life began on a Tuesday: is a statement of faith.
Life began as a result of natural processes involving super high temperatures and pressures and involving the geochemistry of hydrothermal vents: is a hypothesis for which there is much evidence. No “faith” is involved.
I remember the days when RUclips was full of creationists and there were regular debates. Sweet memories. Then they disappeared, almost like the dinosaurs.
disappeared or removed?
@@robertaccornero7172 exactly..
@@robertaccornero7172 Not sure that you mean. This was before Susan censured everything. :(
@@robertaccornero7172 disappeared. They are as irrelevant to biology as flat earthers are to geography.
@@robertaccornero7172
Creo died the natural and inevitable death. With churches having a 70% dropout of the young because they get educated, the attrition demolishes creo nonsense concomitantly.
Paranoid thinking about removing superstitious beliefs indicates you need YT search skills. Creo rubbish infects YT, and proper scientists waste so much time putting idiotic thinking back in its place when they should be focussing on new research.
Wait ...is he saying, Tolstoy wrote the Bible?
[darn those monks]
Wsws
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Organisms in a population are non-identical.
They compete for resources to ensure replication; resources which are limited.
Through their uniqueness, some members of the population have advantages over others.
Through the inheritance of characteristics, the more successful members pass these traits to the next generation.
This is not difficult.
That's not evolution. And it doesn't explain where the information for the characteristics came from in the first place.
Traits can be inherited, but there are boundaries to change. A reptile cannot become a bird.
@@scottb4579
1: Evolution is the change in allele frequencies in a population over time. What I described was natural selection, which is the main driving force of evolution.
2: I wasn't attempting to explain how novelties arise, I was attempting to explain how advantages propagate. These advantages arise through a combination of mutation and of genetic recombination.
3: Boundaries? Please explain
4: An interesting example. [A reptile] indeed does not become [a bird]. That said, birds are descended from reptiles. A population of reptiles developed features, as generations passed, that we would today describe as "bird-like".
@@adamheywood113 No, natural selection is not the main driving force of evolution. It can only select from information that is there. It doesn't create information.
Birds are not descended from reptiles. This is impossible.
@@scottb4579
"Impossible" how? Prove it?
@@adamheywood113 Information. Mindless, non living stuff never produces information. We have information encoded digitally onto the DNA molecule. Information always comes from a mind.
Evolution cannot produce new information. Variation within species, a change in allele frequencies, never produces new information, and cannot cause, for instance, certain reptiles to become birds over time.
Evolution "possible"? How? Prove it?
It sounds to me as though Dr. Berlinski is trying to re-rehabilitate Lamarckism. Please correct me if i am mistaken.
No you aren’t mistaken. He pushes Lamarckism when he is rambling on about elephants.
He's just trying to pay the bills. His academic career was an unmitigated disaster so he's embraced creationism as a good income stream from gullible US conservatives too scientifically illiterate to see that he's a pompous fraud.
@@JamesLee-iv7ff "That's the kind of anecdotal story that's told." If the elephant trunk business is an "anecdotal story," he would appear to be pooh-poohing Lanmarckism rather than pushing it.
Kmkm
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Correct I shall. Many evolutionists use Lamarckism as a vain pejorative and it is a totally meaningless. BTW, it isn't dead, only some wishes that it should be. Does it strike me that Berlinski is one? Nope, so that arrow is very much misdirected. It says more about you than him, _ho-hum._
I am in total agreement with the doc.........more questions need to be asked...but...he needs to drop a few bucks and get a better cam....look at the communication device with the 12 buttons and wires to his left..Ha.....Peace!
Gtgt
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
@@Juan-lf6qo The label says "Take twice daily"....
Whilst expressing belief in the blind and random nature of evolution, even Attenborough can be heard putting the cart before the horse to explain what this or that beak, protuberance or dangly bit "is for". No, I am not a creationist, but this sloppy mode of expression says as much about the speaker as it does about the dangly bits.
Lklk
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
@@Juan-lf6qo Im not against anyone believing in god as a disclaimer. However if u worship a God that is all knowing and exists outside of time capable of knowing the end and the beginning the true Alpha and Omega.
Then Isn't alot to worry about the clay will not surprise the potter. Those that believe will do so ..those that will not will not. And both are playing the parts written for them.
Evolution is not random.
Invite a good evolutionary biologist when you bring this Berlinski guy. Berlinski will be run a way pulling his pants up....
Absolutely. He's a nasty bitter old fraud.
I watched Berlinski in a Firing Line debate on evolution. The evolutionary biologists looked absolutely infantile in their arguments. Berlinski was suave and incisive in his arguments. A couple of the pro evolution people also declared they were devout Catholics but were adamant that God had nothing to do with the appearance of life forms on earth.Huh?…I don’t think evolutionary biologists are the sharpest spoons in the drawer.
An animal can only change if the environment allows it in unity with it. The animal and its environment are one. There is only trees and shrubs, fish, birds, cattle, wild animals, crawling things and Man. But there are kinds.
Gvgv
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
we are made out of atoms, so energy, so frequencies, the aminoacid see as we see through eyes through frequency and adapt according to what they see or shell I say feels.
Steven is right on id
Well, he's certainly not an expert on the history of printing :p Don Quixote was written at least two centuries after the invention of the moveable type printing press. No Monks involved in its publication,
Hghg
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
It was a theoretical to illustrate how silly Darwinian Evolution is given the complexities of biological systems and how delicate they actually through a basically accessible illustration
When nonhuman species talk about creationism vs abiogenesis (spontaneous animation) then we will really have something!
Berlinski is good, but the sound quality is terrible
He probably helps old ladies to cross the road.
"Berlinski is good"- what at?
@@mcmanustony
Talking to himself and his imaginary audience, like a hobo collecting cigarette ends on a sidewalk. The poor dudes who mothers hasten their child past in the hope of not making eye contact.
@@VaughanMcCue I can't figure out how this preening, babbling academic failure is taken as an intellectual by anyone.
@@mcmanustony
You raised a good point. I suspect it was recommended to J.A. by creationist loons. J.A. has excellent intentions and will be more careful next time.
The x'tn right in the USA are a pretty tight bunch and probably sold J.A. this bucket of slops.
This guy borders on nuts
Brilliant argument......Thanks for the enlightenment.
Apparently he has quite a following.
@@StigHelmer sure does..highly intelligent and credentialled following.
@@StigHelmer
Kaitlin Jenner has a huge following too. I am sure that helps with credibility
Apparently Darwin had quite a following too
Can anyone, anyone at all, find a flaw in evolution that creationism can fix?
It's an embarrassingly bankrupt theory. It's also the flawed paradigm used by virologists.
Your comment is embarrassing.
Mnmn
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Materialists need this t**d of a theory to keep being relevant.
@@martam4142what’s a materialist?
You appear not to have the remotest clue what you’re talking about.
What’s that like?
Wsws
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
You’re supposed to be pretending it’s about the science
Umm. What was the question?
Kjkj
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Absurdity is genius?
Lklk
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Epigenetics plays a big part in evolution.
Then its not darwinian.
Xsxs
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
There is a profound sense of smug superiority of Darwinists in the midst of their own imploding ideas. WHY?!! LOL
Any examples?
I guess it is hard for Darwinists to accept that they have been engaged pseudoscience all along. It kind of negates your credibility as a real scientist.and to have other scientists snicker at you….hard. Some heavy duty denial going on.
@@302indian
I've yet to find a person who doubts evolution and has even done the bare minimum research of reading the model itself.
You need to travel in better circles.
@@eddyeldridge7427 That has to be one of the funniest attempted take downs I've ever heard. Have you read SJ Gould's book on the Burgess Shale in Canada? I'll assume no, because he admits this single rock formation disproves gradualism and caused Stephen to adopt saltation. Until you understand your opponent's arguments you cannot claim an education. Correct?
Evolution theory doesn't say that everything is explained by copying errors in DNA. So Berlinski is attacking a straw-man of his own creation. He is attacking some kinds of "scientism", perhaps.
However, there are many more things that are explainable by our genetics that we are not yet aware of.
Also, if God is the All, and Infinite, then God is behind, and in. and composes every aspect of evolution.
Also, his analogy of changing one book into an altogether different book is completely false.
A better analogy would be, for example, re-interpreting a single word from a book, such as the word "God" in the Bible, which completely changes the meaning and function of the book. This would be like a single mutation which changes everything.
Tctc
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
@@NSOcarth "change an important word and the text SCREAMS : ERROR !!!"
This is true. To atheists, the things that Christians believe SCREAMS : ERROR !!!
In my view, the error exists because Christians have misinterpreted what God is, but Christians themselves cannot see the error, in the same way that a crazy person doesn't know they are crazy.
By Berlinksky
The cell DNA is 1,000,000info of the begin of anatomy and that is comparable to your is mind
and in English?
Hmm... I'm not sure, might be damaging a little of your channel's credibility with this one. Evolution is probably the closest thing to a physical law the biological sciences have, because the really cool thing about it is it doesn't just apply to biology. There's a branch of AI called evolutionary algorithms, where all you need is some way to evaluate fitness and random mutations, and then evolution will do the rest. In some cases these can outperform humans - NASA's even used aerials evolved from some of these algorithms on some of their spacecrafts.
I wouldn't say that you damage the credibility of a channel dedicated to conversation by allowing someone to express an opinion contrary to the status quo. Your points addressing his points are THE point. It got you to think about, articulate and express a counter opinion so I'd say it's wholly credible 😊
No, you must be able to question theory or it is not science. Evolution like relativity has withstood many attacks but to date no-one has disproven either theory or been able to come up with a better one to explain observation.
@@thegeneralist7527 Look into Halton Arp's work. He's dead now, but he claimed that he could reproduce all the triumphs of GR with a generalized solution to Einstein's field equations where the mass of particles does not remain constant across time. I'm no physicist, so I can't refute or verify his claims, but the idea is very intriguing.
Sounds like Woke logic.
@@thegeneralist7527 yes, you must question, but the questioners should have a good understanding of what they’re questioning. This is just dumb. A good high school student has a better understanding of evolution than these two, unless they’re knowingly propagandizing, in which case they’re not even very good at that.
Your right David(DR.)
We seem to favour a bad answer instead of no answer at all
Wsws
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Wow. Just wow. I love so much of the discussion you present John, but this is such a horrible misrepresentation of the mechanisms which drive evolution and explain the current tiny snapshot of life that currently inhabits our planet.
Or you haven't a clue what you're talking about?? Another interpretation.
Why would chemicals want to create biology??? Especially when in the only law in physics that will never be broken states, thing's go form order to disorder. Ie time is the enemy.
You probably still believe that face nappies are effective against influenza too???
You don't explain why this is a misinterpretation of evolution. If you make a statement, you should qualify the statement.
@@JustT725 ruclips.net/video/lIEoO5KdPvg/видео.html A simple video outlining the evidence for evolution, suitable for high school will explain, along with the plethora of comments already posted by others outlining the mechanisms of evolution.
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
What a caricature of Evolution!!
So? Dispute it.
@@mmatt2613 Once a few mistakes accumulate in the text, it becomes illegible and unpublishable. It's more illustrative of how a species might become extinct, further bolstering Darwinian Theory.
[those mistake making Monks, would never go to heaven, lol]
What a caricature of an intellectual.....poor Berlinski......
@@mmatt2613 books don’t reproduce; don’t compete for limited resources; don’t pass on heritable traits to offspring.
His “analogy” is as much use as a cast iron cabbage.
Berlinski is a nasty, bitter old fraud with bills to pay- nothing more
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
This guy provides no evidence evolutionary theory is wrong. He just finds it distasteful.
I think he finds it intellectually insulting more than distasteful. I think anyone with a jot of wit does not find the theory credible…or the “ scientists” who do.
@@302indian utter nonsense. There are 250,000 research papers in the primary literature of over a dozen branches of science- not one of which Berlinski has studied- detailing the theory of evolution. How many have you read?
Berlinski is a failed academic with bills to pay. There's good money to be made on the right wing Christian fundamentalist circuit in denying the reality evolution to audiences of scientifically illiterate zealots. He simply doesn't know enough about anything to have a worthwhile view of evolution.
A pretentious lying poseur and nothing more.
I haven’t read any of those papers but I bet that feller Richard Dawkins has and he is about as smart as a stick, so I don’t think I am missing anything.
@@302indian Dawkins WROTE some of the papers in question. He's one of the most distinguished scientists alive- unlike the preening, lying poseur in this video.
He was not a post doctoral fellow in anything anywhere. He failed to find an academic job in philosophy and was a non tenured and/or part time TEACHING ASSISTANT at several institutions- from the large majority of which he was fired.
His sarcasm and glibness made me think there wasn't much to this guy.
Wow, nice character assassination. So. So rather than address the merits of the conversation, you simply resort to character assassination and appeal to authority logical fallacies.
Meanwhile, these phD's and various professors you think are so great, can't even tell you what a woman is.
unbelievable.
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
His credentials are irrelevant. Truth is truth. And your evolutionary creative myth is gone :)
@@martam4142 Gone where? It has been the foundation of the life sciences for 150 years.....and still is.
Do you struggle to deal with reality?
Evolution is a theory of fools!!🤣🤣🤣
Says the guy who believes in sky wizards
@@eddyeldridge7427
Wow! I bet you thought that was clever!😄 What a childlike view! 👏👏👏
I'm impressed you learned how to push the buttons on your computer! 🙄
Learn spelling and punctuation. You know, the basics, and I'm sure your writing will improve! 🤔
Maybe when you evolve thumbs!🤨
@@jacob.tudragens
A comment missing a single period is nowhere near as bad as one riddled with emojis. Glass houses, bible thumper.
Can you cite the last 6 evolutionary biologists whose work you've actually read?
@@mcmanustony
I'm afraid that it's decades since I've read any of that tripe.
A long time fan of Berlinski, disagree with him on occasion, a brilliant mind and too few of them, vocal.
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
@@Juan-lf6qo Hallelujah
what exactly is he brilliant at? His academic career was a miserable failure, his books are out of print and he lives of welfare cheques from a fundamentalist creationist pressure group. But he does good vocals?
Berlinski has no idea what evolution actually is. The only flaws are in his assertions about what he claims evolution to be.
Oh, so he's studied this for over 60 years and he has no idea of what it really is, while you can judge him because you're amazing. What the heck do you know about life? Grow up
@@MrKlose-iy5hk Yes, I can judge him by the strength of his arguments. Anyone can do that. He compares the evolution of whales to modifying a cow. He either does not understand evolution, or he has wilfully blinded himself to the available evidence.
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
He knows it is the creative myth of modern-day stupids.
@@NSOcarth Here is the basic mechanism around Natural Selection, the mechanism that Darwin proposed, and have been verified by literally millions of experiments over the past 160 years.
1. Natural is prolific. Far more offspring are born than can possibly survive to breed.
2. Offspring are not identical. They are individuals with their own traits and characteristics.
3. If any of these traits aid in survival or give some slight advantage in reproduction, and the traits are heritable, then over the generations, they will spread through the population and come to dominate.
This is the simple, yet genius mechanism that Darwin proposed to explain the diversity of life. This is not the only mechanism, but it is the mechanism that accounts for adaptive change of a population in an environment over time.
Oh dear, What embarrassingly naive arguments and comparisons. Literary evolution as an example of evolution works- I don’t think so. I appreciate your interviews and excellent, polite interview techniques and wonder how you can hold back when someone so obviously puts forward an unscientific argument whilst trying to appear scientific. I’d love to see him debate Richard Dawkins.
Oh so would I. But for a very different reason. Why would chemicals want to create biology?? Ask Dawkins the fraud that question you sheep.
@@inisboru3181 Abiogenesis isn't evolution. We don't know the exact conditions earth had when life first was spawned and you are free to use God as filler while we research this.
@@inisboru3181 Don't resort to insults when you do not understand!
' I'd love to see him debate Richard Dawkins' you effectively can if you read his book 'The Devil's Delusion' in response to Dawkin's book "The God Delusion".
Dawkins is an ID proponents , he just doesn't believe God but aliens did it
He's doing what the woke do. Confuse with long winded nonsensical answers. I like your channel but this is as bad as having a flat earther on.
And like your doing by drawing a comparison to flat earth theory in order to discredit it. Don't attack with argument, buddy. Just insult it. Good for you.
@@mmatt2613 I didn't insult it. Both ideas have as much evidence as the other, which is very little.
@@frankdouglas8146 Theory of evolution also has very little factual grounding as well. Is that what you meant by both ideas?
@@mmatt2613 that's simply a false statement. If you think otherwise you're living a delusion. Btw you can still be religious and accept evolution as fact. And many do.
@@mmatt2613 Sine Darwin wrote his book on evolution claims he maid has been confirmed by DNA and paleontology.
Berlinski's literary analogy is false.
Oh. I guess you've settled it then......
@@mmatt2613 Just think about it and you'll see the absurdity of it.
@@robertaspindale2531 I like how u persuade with intelligent argument. Good for u....
@@mmatt2613 Memes are not comparable to genes.
@@mmatt2613 As mistakes accumulate, the text becomes illegible and unpublishable. It's a thoroughly flawed model, scientism! Woke style logic.
Sorry but it is total BS, evolution totally explains the transformation of species, if you do not agree, come with an alternative explanation.
Please tell me how long does it take for a dog to evolve into a cat.
So you think chemicals at their AGM decided to create biology defying the only law in physics that will never be broken, which is thing's go from order to disorder???
Tell me are face masks effective against influenza???
You're the bullshitter.
@@charleshillman2010 A Russian experiment ran for 150 years in which they transformed silver foxes into basically dogs. It might be doable to change a breed of dogs into a cat like animal, maybe 10.000 generations with a very strict selection, impossible to know.
Evolution doesn't operate with a goal - species adapt to changes in the environment, e.g. colder climate results in thicker fur, lots of snow results in white fur - that's how brown bears turned into polar bears.
@@inisboru3181 Is this the second law of thermodynamics you are referring to? Answer: the Sun
@@StigHelmer wow. I've never seen such emboldened unverified statements. You must be one of those really big smart people that can use wikipedia...
I can't believe this guy is an ivy league school professor. The only portion that could even be considered an "argument" was his Don Quixote analogy, which is so unintelligent and absurd. There was no selection mechanism listed in the analogy. Darwinian evolutionary theory would require some form of selection mechanism for the survival of each generation of the copying differences. If anything, the selection mechanism would be READERS, and therefore it would never even get close to evolving into War and Peace, because the copying errors would be noticed immediately and not copied further. If anything, the selection pressure in that example would select for the book remaining the same generation after generation. Even a layman like myself can see this, and I'm a Christian. I am disappointed by the hype for this guy.
He was never a professor. Don't believe the hype. He never managed to get a full time academic job and was fired from almost all the temp teaching assistant gigs he ever had.
He's a pretentious sneering fraud.
The American Association for the Advancement of Science statement on evolution: "Evolution is one of the most robust and widely accepted principles of modern science. It is the foundation for research in a wide array of scientific fields and, accordingly, a core element in science education. The AAAS Board of Directors is deeply concerned, therefore, about legislation and policies recently introduced in a number of states and localities that would undermine the teaching of evolution and deprive students of the education they need to be informed and productive citizens in an increasingly technological, global community. Although their language and strategy differ, all of these proposals, if passed, would weaken science education. The AAAS Board of Directors strongly opposes these attacks on the integrity of science and science education. They threaten not just the teaching of evolution, but students’ understanding of the biological, physical, and geological sciences."
not robust, not even scientific. It offers no predictions and is untestable by experiment
@@johnholmes912 you are wrong. Why do you comment on a subject you evidently know absolutely nothing about
@@johnholmes912the theory predicted a fusion of chromosomes in the human genome. That was found exactly as predicted when sequencing became possible
I believe in free speech, and I believe that we should all be exposed to ideas which question the fundamental assumptions upon which we base our world view. Unfortunately, your giving airtime to cultist pseudoscience just causes me to review my previously favourable opinion of your channel.
Explain abiogenisis! You can't! No one can do! It's all hypothesis, infantile theories which don't stand serious questions...
@@muesique Abiogenesis isn't evolution. Evolution is a pretty simple concept that applies to many other things other than biology.
@@StigHelmer So you think, life was always there...
How do you explain the evolution of the eye?
@@muesique Abiogenesis science isn't settled yet but shouldn't be confused with evolution. The evolution of the eye is a prime example often used to exactly demonstrate how evolution works since we can actually look at different eyes on different species from a single cell that react to light to the complex eye of an owl. Google "evolution of the eye".
If you believe in God then the explanation you adopt, and this doesn't conflict with science, that God created the conditions necessary for life to be created. That God guided evolution to form the Human species in his image. No science will ever disprove this.
@@StigHelmer Nice joke! Evolution of the eye in _different_ species! Did they talk to each other?
This monologue at the start is so embarrassing....
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Why does Berlinski force randomness into the concept of selection? The "environment is random?" Who cares? The environment is the context in which natural selection takes place. But this guy seems to think that if you have a hand of randomly dealt cards, then you could just as well play them randomly. Absurdity! But I know why he's got all those credentials. It's in the surname.
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
Did this goombah just say that France didn't lock down enough?