Stephen Meyer: Darwin’s Doubt
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- According to a nationwide survey, more than two-thirds of atheists and one-third of agnostics believe that “the findings of science make the existence of God less probable,” while nearly half of self-identified theists believe “the findings of science are neutral with regard to the existence of God.” But what if there is another option? What if the discoveries of science actually lend support to belief in God?
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Dr. Meyer is in a league of his own. I haven't read his latest book, but Signature in the Cell was amazing. I was an atheist who believed in Darwinian Evolution until I went to college and took a lot off various biology classes. Microbiology was the clincher. I don't see how anyone who truly understands biology at that level can not see the obvious design. I don't know if my professors would be happy or appalled that they lead me away from blindly believing in something I was ignorant of to accepting intelligent design and eventually Jesus.
Amen brother I have a similar story.
Instead of focusing the camera on Stephen's face, stay switched on the slides! Killed the whole presentation by omitting the slides.
Newton wrote, "a little knowledge leads away from God, but much knowledge leads towards Him".
*_“The more I study science, the more I believe in God.”_* --- Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955), founder of modern physics (Theory of Relativity inter alia) and 1921 Nobel prize winner
That's Luis Pasteur I think
Darwin is not an atheist.He is a deist and believe god as first cause.Majority of scientist use his theory to be an atheist
"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion." --Sir Francis Bacon
Meyer is so good at explaining complex issues to the common man.
That is his forte. You always get the gist of what he is saying.
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.." Romans 1:22-28 suits well with the Atheist Scientist.
I'm not even Christian, but I have a lot of respect and the original teaching(unedited versions)/correct interpretations(of current edited texts) are very deep with wisdom, truth, and I believe, most probably correct historical account(s). I have watched this countless times and other videos and after the current book I'm reading, will read Darwin's doubt and buy his new book when it comes out in 2020. It sounds legit and from what I see, when he goes toe to toe with atheists, they never are able to dismantle his arguments. Until I check the sources given in Darwin's Doubt, these debates, his talks, his support from other scientists give me great confidence in what he's saying. I hope he's right and if he is, I hope he really gains momentum helps change science.
Signature in the Cell is the most fascinating thing I have seen in all my 58 years.
"There are no weaknesses in the theory of evolution"...Eugenie Scott. The "theory" is a hypothesis and it is weaker than a cooked noodle!
I wouldn't call it a hypothesis but yes it's definitely a failed theory.
I always like listening to Dr Meyer. Always learn something new. Ty.
I like the Charles Marshall circular reasoning and evasion :
1. largely emerged : requires a motive force which in turn assumes something which generates that force
2. through the rewiring of the : requires an action of rewiring, which assumes an actor who performs the action
3. of the gene regulatory networks : requires the prior existence of a functioning regulatory network
4. of already existing genes : requires the prior existence of genes
So the new phyla emerged by the action of an unexplained force, acting in a rational fashion
in the framework of existing networks on prior materials.
What is never explained where the materials, the force, the plan of action, the intelligent actors and the goal
came from. Let me guess : from the multiverses and quantum fluctuations, right ?
Goodsarcasm
This man should be speaking to Coliseums...not just churches. He destroyed the myths that prevail in Darwinism and naturalism.
The dogma of Darwinism is stronger than the American flag, the church, etc. It can ONLY be presented in a church because almost no other place would accept it.
I'm a layman when it comes to biology, but even I can understand that any mutation has to be sudden, complete, and functional in order to be favored by natural selection. Otherwise it will be lost within a couple of generations.
Drop the mic Stephen, drop the mic.
Excellent presentation.
I love listening to Dr. Stephen Meyer. Such a fine writer, thinker, and presenter.
I happen to stumble across this. Listening it now for the 4th time.
Yeah it needs a few listenings to catch everything...
Great presentation. The one thing I've always wondered is how any life form can have a self-preservation instinct. Today's most educated scientists/engineers haven't got a clue how to produce a a self-preservation software subroutine that is common with most forms of life.
This self-preservation presents in itself another problem for evolution, if life has a self-preservation instinct, how is it possible that one life can evolve into another if this mechanism limits the destruction of the entire form of life?
Sorry, I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but you could probably still add the slides as this great video and will be watched many times in the future.
Excellent presentation! Too bad Dr. Meyer didn't go in depth in to "Irreducible complexity" as well. That with complete viewing of the slides at all time as well would have made this a 10/10.
Wonderful info as always...just wondering if it would not take away from his presentation to show the slides a few seconds more--we can still hear his voice while looking at the slides ;-)
The consensus in the scientific community is that " Intelligent Design is not science and has no place in a science curriculum. "
Is just Creationism by another name.
Stephen Meyer does a Great presentation Darwin’s Doubt. Pity that Darwin’s studies did understand intelligence and information, but he could not add to evolution theory or it would cast Doubt in his theory. So, this pass and just now many evolutionists are questioning the foundations of evolution wish is downhill now days.
Ok, I realize that this is not scientific, but I really enjoy listening to Steven Meyer. He has a manner of speech and a way of explaining things such that those of us that are educated in things other than biology can understand.
what do you mean by "not scientific"
He’s incredibly articulate
Although he’s got a goofy haircut
I have an analogy that I believe illustrates Dr. Meyer’s point a little better than his computer slide and more common to laymen.
We want to build a new car. Do we start by working out the details of the types of bolts and metal we use, or do we create a concept? We must first determine what we are trying to achieve, before we worry about what the upholstery or engine will be. Do you want a SUV or a sports car?
A bolt, is just like one protein in an animal. It may be used many times, but it is highly complex. The threads, how it engages the metal, how it handles vibration and how it handles corrosion are just some of the properties it needs to be successful.
Who believes if you develop a new bolt, that you are on your way to a new vehicle type? Who would drive a car if you found out the bolts were designed randomly? Do you believe by rearranging just a few bolts randomly that a compact car becomes a truck?
The design comes first, then the details. Why we can debate who the designer is, I don’t believe can argue the logic.
Mind blowing. May God bless Dr. Meyer.
If you like this Man I would suggest ,that you listen To James Tour on you tube. He puts the nail in the coffin.
Dr. Meyer is a treasure and so underated in his field. He has strengthened my faith so much by proving how logically consistent it is to believe in God.
I’m going to need to listen to this about 3 times for my small brain to suck it all in.
when Stephen talked about "non-gradual modes of transitions" it is the biggest piece of evidence in my opinion. I cannot believe that fish could turn into monkeys, nor that dinosaurs can into birds. so many lacking fossils and no precursors for most animals.
If there were no weaknesses in the theory of evolution, wouldn't that make it a fact? And since evolution is ONLY a theory, how is it that they teach it as a fact?
The mind is like a parachute. It only works if it's open.
Great work. Also a scientific theist myself. Would like to discuss plasma cosmology and discoveries by Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock. Thank you for the work.
thank you Dr. Meyer for putting the theory of intelligent design on sure footing once again.
I thoroughly appreciate the Discovery Institute reclaiming this topic for _science_ and rejecting the _religion_ of evolution.
Anyone else a little weirded out by the fact that the 4 amino acids correspond perfectly with YHVH? And all of the derivations thereof? And the whole universe being constructed by that word? Oh boy.
23:40 I've long wondered about the transition from single-celled organism to multi-celled organism with differentiated, dependent cells that all share a universal DNA (meaning *EVER* cell has the DNA for the entire *ORGANISM.*
To me the absence of evolutionary organisms in living things today would prove Darwinian theory incorrect.
Thats why its called a theory, it cant be proven without some serious leaps of faith.
@@mrlakkie1612 it can't be proven because no one can literally go back in time and watch what was happened all we have is pure assumptions for satisfying human mind
What are you guys talking about with a Petri dish, a microscope and some pond water you can absolutely see evolution. To the point where you can make predictions on outcomes for the colonies.
@@gregyoungman false equilavence just because evolution happen in viruses it doesn't mean it will happen on humans
@@gregyoungmanYou can see little changes that in along time will damage the dna as we see in a lot of organisms but we don’t see any new molecular Machinery
Meyer and James Tour need to both be on Joe Rogan......millions of people need to hear the truth they are sharing.
Here is why the bike-lock analogy isn’t the best analogy and actually gives favors to the evolutionary side of the argument. In that scenario, the thief won’t re-use previously used incorrect combinations because he has an intelligent mind. Nature doesn’t work that way. You would also have to factor in the likelihood that a previously used combination would re-emerge (unlikely, but just as unlikely that the correct combination would be found as well) with no limit as to how many times it can re-emerge. Imagine that after ever new try, the thief’s memory was wiped and he didn’t remember what combination he previously used.
I know its a dumb question. How does any of this matter when we see the finch variation. Is the process that differentiates finches not the same process that would allow macro evolution?
It is. The claims currently in vogue with this lot (with no evidence) is that variation is entirely derived from extant dna and epigenetics. When pressed they can admit that beneficial mutations happen sometimes, then they tend to walk away from that at first opportunity.
Because it's within the same genetic pool we don't see know finches becoming anything else we don't see new structure nor new species
@@ozowenbeneficial mutations are beneficial in someway but on the long run will ruin the genes so it's not good evidence that new species will thrive by breaking up stuff
I like to recommend when someone is giving a lecture with slides. Please show the slide instead of the guy given the lecture. We can hear him just fine but we can't see the slide.
I love Meyer's work
이 영상에 모든 언어의 자막이 달리길 바랍니다
exciting and revolutionary
I love this guy! I wish he was my professor!
Why is it Lawrence K is unable to be open to these findings? Please go on the Joe Rogan show
I just got this book yesterday! Very excited to read it.
I’ve added Some of your videos are on ithasbeenwritten.com also
Great stuff!
when a woman goes into labor she does not wait to see if a monkey will come out. Yehovah Tzeva'ot made man Adam in His image. Cat produces a cat, dog a dog, lemon tree a lemon. Practical logic.
Very well explained. Thank you
Dawkins must be hiding somewhere right now.
"Our uniform and repeated experience"...what I've been saying for years is: Intelligent Design is an axiom for the origin of complexity. Well done Dr. Meyer!
How has he not been on Rogan yet??
Very interesting indeed but i would have liked to see all the slides as I was trying very hard to take notes! There's an awful lot to take in here - might need to view it some more!
Please edit this video to include a longer exposure of the slides. Too much focus on Dr. Meyer's face rather than the slides interferes with this presentation.
Fascinating!
he is convincing
Dawkins LOL What a joke. He's a Popular science book "Rock Star" nothing more...
I know you can’t say it because of the evolutionary loons, but thank you for defending God’s creation.
Brilliant that explains a lot especially the end product.
This leads me to suppose that there is an internal pressure. Not a random reaction to events, but a coded response. Hmmmm.
This is probably the one time an atheist group would have open ears? 😂
Does Dr Meyer acknowledge the dramatic effects of a large flood?
The millions of years paradigm, the geological column, the sudden explosion of different forms...it seems he is defending time to build the complexity of life similar to evolutionists - unless I’m totally missing something?
He points to his work with a German scientist on 17 identified explosions of new life in the past. Is he just ending in mystery?
Excellent video Stephen Meyer
Nice to see someone like Steve pushing back the only way any of us move on is threw Christ I just can’t figure out why some of the smartest people in science can see creation of this whole planet n humans I have no education even I can see creation makes me scratch my head at least I know where me n my family are going when we pass on we were all saved together at one time what a blessing from god to know I’ll know my whole family for eternity
Genesis
The Fifth Day
20And God said, “Let the waters teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the sky.” 21So God created the great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters teemed according to their kinds, and every bird of flight after its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22Then God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters of the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.”
23And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day.
The Sixth Day
24And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Read his books to get the details.
His presentation from a geological, physics and Christian background are a wonderful intersection pointing to God’s amazing creation. Genesis 1, Job 38, Romans 1.
I've been coming around to theism. What I can't stop wondering is why God is so silent. Strange as this sounds, my current conclusion is that God exists but does not want to be found.
Someone once said God gave us two books. The book of nature that points to a creator. And the books of the bible that reveal specifically what God is like. And this comes to full fruition in the person of Jesus Christ. Christians believe that you can see what God is like by looking at ☺️Jesus ☺️. Forgive the cheesy emojis but there really is no other way to convey God's nature than a big loving smile in a short message. Nature reveals his power. The bible reveals his love and his plan for humanity.
Maybe because If it was so obvious there would be no point in beleif.
@@micu1544
What emoji would you use to describe Jesus in
Rev 19:15 - Now out of His (Jesus') mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
@@AhmedAli-kt1ez What the heck does that even mean?
@@AhmedAli-kt1ez It's not "pointless" to believe things which are obvious. I believe if I shoot myself in the head I will die. That's an obvious belief, is it a pointless one?
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Please focus primarily on the slides
Focus on thè speaker secondary
Could anyone else tell that by about 5 minutes, there was no chance that he would lay out any of the specifics of just what the scientists were wrestling with? It was obvious to me.
The reason that simple evolutionary principles are presented in high school textbooks is the same reason that simple physics principles are presented. Just because there is a cutting edge of gravity theory, where debate is happening, doesn’t mean gravity isn’t real
Until I listened to these videos, I did not even think about the possibility of flaws being present in the theory of natural selection. The Darwinian ideas were taken to be infallible, ingrained in the collective psyche itself as correct, and used as a Bible against theology. It is beginning to crumble with these logical, unassailable and coup-de-grace-like arguments in favour of Intelligent Design.
Well, actually the nonsense of creationism is crumbling any time it is shipwrecked at the the rock of evolution theory.
@@norbertjendruschj9121Anytime you use theory with evolution it sinks your religion of evolution.
20 mins is pure gold
I feel sorry for Richard Dawkins... spent his whole life advocating for something he didn't understand.
This information should enter into the broad public sphere. This would have a major impact on the mental strongholds in people's minds, opening people up for the gospel. Genesis is key.
you need dna for life and life for dna. so scientists are pulling at their own bootstraps and expecting lift off.
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love,
david
Why does one need DNA for life? ;-)
As I'm listening to this, I'm noticing that it seems science has allowed evolution to explain things philosophically but now we want to understand the details and are realizing it does not explain the details.
Not true
A huge thank you Dr. Stephen from Brazil!!!
I wish he explained what a "functional amino-acid combination" is in 39:10
Thank You - Well Done !!!
The second law of thermodynamics vs the creation of organic DNA information by undirected random processes. This spontaneous organic chemistry information probability problem shows how incredibly complex and difficult for organic molecules and DNA to occur by undirected random processes in our universe. For every chance for something to occur there is an equal and opposite chance for something to not occur unless there is an intelligent author? Right?
I think that this is all one big video game. Who's playing it, I haven't figured out.
Funny enough is that why people seem to be getting dumber and having more health issues, cancers, asthma and other issues. Random changes causing bad product.
Dr. Meyer do you believe in Samarian Babylonian genesis. that’s the way that the world was created it, I’m sure you are familiar of that history , it might help people to get the right answer that God created the world.
36:49 Meyer fails to mention something important about his lock analogy. Sure, if you have a combination lock with 4 digits, you will probably solve it within hours whereas a 10 digit lock would take centuries. It isn't a question of whether you will more likely fail. It's a question of how long do you need to solve the lock. If it takes you centuries, so what. When you're dealing with millions of years and have countless mutations happening on countless organisms at the same time, eventually you will crack the lock. That is what Meyers fails to address.
As with all analogies, this one fails as well. Biology is not a lock. Locks don't reproduce themselves. ;-)
He addresses this when talking about how many organisms have existed
Good stuff. Thanks!
Meyer is brilliant! So many others like James Tour are excellent as well. Dawkins... not so much 😂
I have never bought the dating methodologies. Need a million years to satisfy a question, no problem. Here, take some. Don't worry, we got billions of those.
wow
I suspect that Lamarck was right about the inheritance of acquired characteristics
And that is why I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
It is almost impossible,e to follow the speech if you don’t show every slide, even the ones that dr Meyer skipped, because that also varies important information, that we can pause the video and analyze it. P,ease show the slides and the speaker in a small picture in the bottom of the screen. The slide and the speech are the most important things, I really don’t care about watching the speaker.
The theory of evolution is like the theory that Hitler was a Christian, right Hitler was worshipping a Jew!!!
What if nature takes a random string of letters and then assign function to them, then the probability of those letters having a function goes from one in a gazillion to 1:1, but then of course you need an intelligent programmer of some sort, and you can call the programmer God, Dr Space, Mr Alien or whatever your psychology prefers. And another thought, random or not, why do there exist protein folds with functions at all, why do function exist where there should just be chaos. Someone or something have fiddled with chaos, that must be obvious to even the most narrow minded scientist.
Remain in a state of confusion all possibilities are possible
this need to be translated into rusian language.
There is a God he or she built the universe ...there are universal laws ...the universe is alive ...and watching as well as knowing everything and everyone on earth. I just love this scietific God stuff.
Our current understanding of biology is insufficient to account for the levels of complexity we observe in nature. It doesn't get all the way there.
Thanks again.
Does Meyer address the energy landscape of protein folding?
Nature is a teacher...Numerous engineering and technology, inventions, etc, were copied from nature that fools today call evolution. One example is the helicopter. I read an article a few years ago which stated, that over 60-years ago an aero-engineer was fishing in a dam with his eight--year old son when he noticed the flight and movements of a dragonfly near-by, which later inspired the invention of the helicopter.
Also, Richard Hammond showed many examples in his "Miracles of Nature" Stories, how nature helped Science to advance where it is today.
The question is, How is it possible that the dragonfly came into existence by a number of accidents and the helicopter which it inspired came about by intelligent design?
I would like to stay polite so I just say how there is a chain of thinking leading from materialistic universe to non materialistic certainty that what we do not have any knowledge of must be God of Christianity. This is the big question and only thing that this panel assures is the not so sweet attitudes of institutionalized believers towards the rest of us.
And why God creates/needs forces of nature to govern the verse? Really this world is the only way capital G could make the WORLD? And why there could not be another "forces" outside our verse that are different by necessity and therefore unknowable to us. Biology is not a computer program, atoms have ways of combining, the amount of common matter that live is composed of is characteristic, this whole discussion needs someone telling us where his thinking is not as precise as he would like to be. I acknowledge his erudition and honest interest in the matter but some of those arguments are not so sound or at least do not force one mind directly towards "mind that works like mind we understand, outside our verse". I will give you the force before our 4, we only know forces to govern everything, so why we need to invent something that is outside of reality but has knowable characteristic of a mind we can imagine?
I am not highly educated, and I am an old fart. Grin!!
The only Evolution I see in life that can be factually proven is the Evolution of Religion, in its many forms. It is easy to see religion evolve with the times.
As for the origin of life, and a God, creator, intelligence, whichever term you use for clarity for descriptive purposes my best lifetime answer is I do not know.
My personal life belief is that yes there is a creator that invents and holds order to all things. That the world and life would not exist without a creator. Where did this creator come from, again my only answer is that I do not know. I believe in a creator however I make no attempt to define, describe or make any assumptions at all.
I look at the world and life and cannot help but come to the conclusion all life is by design.
I also look at the religions of the world and I cannot accept any of them and can clearly see religion as an evolved man created situation, with a basis of wonderment about life also included within religions. However religions influenced and created by man become instruments of various forms of harm to man. Man has cursed himself with religions.
So let me shut up.......I firmly think there is a creator, I also reject all man made religions and at the end of the day, all I can say is I do not know.
Cheers
Kit