and thats the moment you climb into your email, contact local council and fietsersbond and tell them the pole doesn't adhere to CROW guidelines, is unnecessary and should therefore be removed. You're welcome.
@@rubenskiii Thank you. I just did so. I did have a look at the website of fietsersbond and found this handy infographic that helps reporting such cases: paaltjes.fietsersbond.nl/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Ga-op-pad-infographic-V5-scaled.jpg So the first thing I did is send fietsersbond a mail with a link to this video on their paaltjes@fietsersbond.nl video. The next thing I did was download the BuitenBeter app and reported it to the responsible municipality Echt-Susteren. This is what my report states: " This pole isn't clearly visible when exiting this bicycle lane. It is a bit concealed by the bush. Please have a look at this video: ruclips.net/video/UMKQPj1C3wU/видео.html Perhaps this situation can be improved by removing this pole. " I've also included a picture of the situation. For anyone driving in the southern parts on the netherlands, this pole is located at this location: www.google.com/maps/@51.0725656,5.8692838,3a,90y,234.93h,73.77t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sDW1mDvHV92Yf4nZrJRAdaQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i41?entry=ttu Thank you guys for the tips. This may make a small difference in the future
@@julesvelomobile well the beauty is that now the location is know that any accident will happen the municipality will be 100% responsible for all damages. :)
The tree is interesting but that pole… Like one of those traps from the Vietnam war. When that tree grows its roots will tear up the bikepath, treeroots don’t dig, they travel sideways close to the surface. The roots have no way to go than underneath the bikepath… Someone wanted to create future jobs for the roadrepair folks!
I'm a Brit, so I have no choice but to ride my old-school bicycle on main roads and dodge the traffic. We don't have any nice cycle paths. Britain is a nation of Jeremy Clarksons. Motorists absolutely HATE cyclists, even the decent ones who signal, ride in the gutter, yield in all circumstances, use their mirrors, and obey the rules of the road. But... I still wouldn't be complaining about this situation. The trees and the no-entry pole in the middle of this track are not that big a deal. Why? Because the obstructions prevent misuse of the path by the drivers and riders of inappropriate vehicles. Surely it's worth the minor hassle, knowing that you're not suddenly going to find some stoned idiot on a quadbike coming towards you at 60 mph. In the UK, a lovely quiet cycle lane like this would be the playground of motorbikes, off-road 4x4s, wannabe rally drivers, and other a-holes determined to wreck it because it was apparently put there purely for cyclists. Regarding the actual hazards: well, ordinary bicycles would have no problems negotiating chicanes, bushes, trees and no-entry poles. Compared to an ordinary upright bike, velomobiles afford poor forward vision and are more like motorbikes in their speed and manoeuvring capabilities. They're fun, but they're not really suited to cycle lanes. (That's just my opinion.) So I'm sorry that this velo-dude was inconvenienced, but maybe he'd be better off joining the high speed traffic on the main road. Treating a leafy lane as a personal high-speed motorway seems a bit selfish to me. Velomobiles are specifically designed to travel quickly. Compared to a regular bike they give a poor view of the road ahead, so maybe they shouldn't be using cycle paths at all?🤔 In Britain the equivalent situation would be one of those entitled urban warriors on an e-bike or e-scooter who rides on pedestrian-only pavements [footpaths/sidewalks] and expects everyone else to get the hell out of their way because they're personally saving the planet and demand not just respect but free access to everything, everyehere. Of course, your opinion may differ... 😁
I have to agree that in the Netherlands, most bicycle paths / lanes are pretty good. But I have to disagree with some of your statements. When I was driving at this location, it is good to know that it wasn't a familiar place to me. I was not driving much faster than a regular upright bicycle. Because the camera films in a wide angle mode, it does look so. So your statement that I am selfish, I find a bit rude. Especially if my GPS told me that the only other ways in that direction were detours that nobody would take to get to the destination I was driving too. If you do have a look at some of my other videos, you do see that I, and the other people driving with me, do take the opportunities to take the main road in some occasions where we do think that's the safer option. We are constantly considering what the best place would be to drive for everyone. Because nobody should get hurt because we or them don't see us coming. For that same reason, I do honk at places to make myself known. Even if I don't have priority. And because someone joining our group years ago, died, everyone is recommended to wear helmets if possible. And also a good thing to know is that I am not really convinced these poles should get removed. Im also ok if they would be made from a material that would not destroy any kind of bicycle when hitting them. People did get seriously hurt by driving into them. It happend so often that campaigns are launched to report and remove them. For example, according to journalists of the Trouw newspaper, in 2019, it was estimated that around 2400 hit such delineator posts. In 1476 cases, people got badly injured. So, I think, whichever side you're on, if any, people should keep thinking about the problems and solutions these posts offer. So, yeah, while this may be ok in the UK in your oppinion, the dutch don't settle that much on this situation :). So please, before you settle on definitely calling me the UK equivalent of an "entitled urban warrior", come and meet me in the tours I do. I may not be that "entitled urban warrior", and Maybe, Just Maybe, you will discover that I might not represent that mental image of yours that you call an "entitled, selfish urban warrior". Maybe I might be a nice guy! Wouldn't that be cool?
@@julesvelomobile If it were a British cycle lane, the pole would have probably been in the centre of the lane rather than between lanes. I used to live somewhere where there was a fire hydrant marker in the middle of a lane, and you could barely see it at all at night because it was the same colour as the pavement. It's impressive that someone has collected the statistics of how many people have been hurt by these poles.
and thats the moment you climb into your email, contact local council and fietsersbond and tell them the pole doesn't adhere to CROW guidelines, is unnecessary and should therefore be removed. You're welcome.
Will do. Thanks
Muchos dankjes
Yes send in this footage as supporting evidence. That this video is gaining quite a number of views probably will fasten their reaction…
@@rubenskiii Thank you. I just did so. I did have a look at the website of fietsersbond and found this handy infographic that helps reporting such cases:
paaltjes.fietsersbond.nl/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Ga-op-pad-infographic-V5-scaled.jpg
So the first thing I did is send fietsersbond a mail with a link to this video on their paaltjes@fietsersbond.nl video. The next thing I did was download the BuitenBeter app and reported it to the responsible municipality Echt-Susteren. This is what my report states:
"
This pole isn't clearly visible when exiting this bicycle lane. It is a bit concealed by the bush. Please have a look at this video: ruclips.net/video/UMKQPj1C3wU/видео.html
Perhaps this situation can be improved by removing this pole.
"
I've also included a picture of the situation.
For anyone driving in the southern parts on the netherlands, this pole is located at this location:
www.google.com/maps/@51.0725656,5.8692838,3a,90y,234.93h,73.77t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sDW1mDvHV92Yf4nZrJRAdaQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i41?entry=ttu
Thank you guys for the tips. This may make a small difference in the future
@@julesvelomobile well the beauty is that now the location is know that any accident will happen the municipality will be 100% responsible for all damages. :)
The tree is interesting but that pole…
Like one of those traps from the Vietnam war.
When that tree grows its roots will tear up the bikepath, treeroots don’t dig, they travel sideways close to the surface. The roots have no way to go than underneath the bikepath…
Someone wanted to create future jobs for the roadrepair folks!
Hoi Jules,
Niet te hard gaan, er kan wild oversteken😊🤠🤠
Ah. Ik zal het onthouden als ik daar nog eens ben.
I'm a Brit, so I have no choice but to ride my old-school bicycle on main roads and dodge the traffic. We don't have any nice cycle paths.
Britain is a nation of Jeremy Clarksons. Motorists absolutely HATE cyclists, even the decent ones who signal, ride in the gutter, yield in all circumstances, use their mirrors, and obey the rules of the road.
But... I still wouldn't be complaining about this situation. The trees and the no-entry pole in the middle of this track are not that big a deal.
Why?
Because the obstructions prevent misuse of the path by the drivers and riders of inappropriate vehicles. Surely it's worth the minor hassle, knowing that you're not suddenly going to find some stoned idiot on a quadbike coming towards you at 60 mph.
In the UK, a lovely quiet cycle lane like this would be the playground of motorbikes, off-road 4x4s, wannabe rally drivers, and other a-holes determined to wreck it because it was apparently put there purely for cyclists.
Regarding the actual hazards: well, ordinary bicycles would have no problems negotiating chicanes, bushes, trees and no-entry poles. Compared to an ordinary upright bike, velomobiles afford poor forward vision and are more like motorbikes in their speed and manoeuvring capabilities.
They're fun, but they're not really suited to cycle lanes. (That's just my opinion.)
So I'm sorry that this velo-dude was inconvenienced, but maybe he'd be better off joining the high speed traffic on the main road. Treating a leafy lane as a personal high-speed motorway seems a bit selfish to me. Velomobiles are specifically designed to travel quickly. Compared to a regular bike they give a poor view of the road ahead, so maybe they shouldn't be using cycle paths at all?🤔
In Britain the equivalent situation would be one of those entitled urban warriors on an e-bike or e-scooter who rides on pedestrian-only pavements [footpaths/sidewalks] and expects everyone else to get the hell out of their way because they're personally saving the planet and demand not just respect but free access to everything, everyehere.
Of course, your opinion may differ... 😁
I have to agree that in the Netherlands, most bicycle paths / lanes are pretty good. But I have to disagree with some of your statements.
When I was driving at this location, it is good to know that it wasn't a familiar place to me. I was not driving much faster than a regular upright bicycle. Because the camera films in a wide angle mode, it does look so. So your statement that I am selfish, I find a bit rude.
Especially if my GPS told me that the only other ways in that direction were detours that nobody would take to get to the destination I was driving too.
If you do have a look at some of my other videos, you do see that I, and the other people driving with me, do take the opportunities to take the main road in some occasions where we do think that's the safer option. We are constantly considering what the best place would be to drive for everyone.
Because nobody should get hurt because we or them don't see us coming. For that same reason, I do honk at places to make myself known. Even if I don't have priority.
And because someone joining our group years ago, died, everyone is recommended to wear helmets if possible.
And also a good thing to know is that I am not really convinced these poles should get removed. Im also ok if they would be made from a material that would not destroy any kind of bicycle when hitting them. People did get seriously hurt by driving into them.
It happend so often that campaigns are launched to report and remove them.
For example, according to journalists of the Trouw newspaper, in 2019, it was estimated that around 2400 hit such delineator posts. In 1476 cases, people got badly injured. So, I think, whichever side you're on, if any, people should keep thinking about the problems and solutions these posts offer. So, yeah, while this may be ok in the UK in your oppinion, the dutch don't settle that much on this situation :).
So please, before you settle on definitely calling me the UK equivalent of an "entitled urban warrior", come and meet me in the tours I do. I may not be that "entitled urban warrior", and Maybe, Just Maybe, you will discover that I might not represent that mental image of yours that you call an "entitled, selfish urban warrior". Maybe I might be a nice guy! Wouldn't that be cool?
@@julesvelomobile If it were a British cycle lane, the pole would have probably been in the centre of the lane rather than between lanes. I used to live somewhere where there was a fire hydrant marker in the middle of a lane, and you could barely see it at all at night because it was the same colour as the pavement.
It's impressive that someone has collected the statistics of how many people have been hurt by these poles.