Everyone’s WRONG About Ryzen 9000!
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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Ryzen 9000 is obsolete because Ryzen 15000 is coming out in 12 years.
No that will be in 6 years
@@MEXTMusics I don't know what you are talking about. AMD now releases new CPU generations every 2 years. 9 to 15 is 6, but that's 6x2 since it's every 2 years.
in will probably get same fps lmaooo
@@POLARTTYRTMactually they skip even numbers for generation so ryzen 7000 was zen 4 8000 was zen 4 apu 9000 is zen 5 10000 will be zen 5 apu then 11000 will be zen 6 meaning it's only 3 gens for 15000 so barely 6 years.
Ryzen 11000 in 2 years, 13000 in 4 and then 15000 in 6@@POLARTTYRTM
This reminds me a lot about the Zen-1 rollout: It was "OK" at first, but then subsequent BIOS updates made it better over time until it ended pretty darn good in the end. I expect major improvements to 9000 in the coming months.
I got the Ryzen 7 1700+ on the release week.
A good B350 board.
Had BIOS updates every week, memory speeds changed up and down with each one, for most of the first year.
It eventually settled. Board still works great to this day!
Zen1 are not same thing and it was bad vs Intel competiton again of that time and now stil are
Next week the bigger chips come out with a higher TDP. I'm thinking that is going to make a big difference.
@@Mr11ESSE111 Zen1 mainly lacked clock, the IPC was - if I remember correctly - near to Intel.
Zen1 had deficiences when it came to gaming or any other workloads that mainly relied on single core performance. As soon as you could use 6-8 cores, AMD pulled ahead, simply because in the beginning Intel only had 4 cores.
@@johnscaramis2515 zen1 comes after bulldozer and could not be more worse then it
I left Intel after 15 years to go with the AMD 7800X3D. One of the best decisions I've ever made. Looking forward to seeing X3D in the 9000 series.
Looks like the 9000 series is barely any better. Like 4%. Not worth upgrading for you. Should have gone with Intel.
@@cuzr702X3D for 9000 could be worth it. Remains to be seen
@@cuzr702 Yeah, Intel definitely is the way to go now. Who doesn't want to spend several hundred $$ on a new CPU just to watch it fail in less than a year?
@@cuzr702 with pbo its about 15% if you oc your stuff you get over 20% oc vs oc. Mem tuning goes nuts for 9000 series
@@MadMaxx1977
Do you know warranties exist?
So I was RIGHT, for awhile I thought I was left.
So it is kinda like being Mussolini for a while
@@ФедяКрюков-в6ьbasically, but with less Hugo-boss embroidery
When it's all right, there's nothing left 😉
@@Dr.RichardBanks but that was the only thing cool about it =(
Still waiting for x3d to come out
x3d zen5 would not offer nothing spectacular over 7800x3d or 3-5% maybe uplift in fps on average of 10-15 games or more and only because AMD would clock it higher then 7800x3d
@@Mr11ESSE111 how do you know it's not even close to out yet..
@@TheTweaker1I mean he's probably not wrong, the 9000 series is slower than 7000 in some cases. Doesn't make the 9800x3d look like it's going to be much of an uplift. The x3d models just add a ton of L3 cache, they're the same chips otherwise, meaning it's not looking good for a 7800x3d successor
@@TheTweaker1We know because AMD has not improved clock speeds or a fast enough memory controller. They also have not improved on their chiplet design to combat the latency issues it has. The 9800x3d will basically be a more power efficient 7800x3d with a %5 performance gain.
@@TheTweaker1 because they will wait situation with Arrow lake probably and this normal cpus are not out yet and x3d could be shitty too as this normal ones
I'm glad AMD is aiming for more efficient and reliable CPUs rather than overclocking them in to dust.
Basically avoiding the predicament Intel is in right now.
On the other hand overclocking headroom on these CPUs is massive.
Looks like golden age of overclocking is coming back.
Waiting for 9950X3D personally. :)
That's how I view AMD's offerings this time. Normal consumers will have to take longevity into consideration. All these gamer guys online, this is not even the market segment for them so all the gaming benchmarks are pointless. The market segment AMD created for gamers 2 years ago was the X3D chips and this launch ain't that.
Not a fan of any chips above 120w.
But at this point, i can't think of an amd user that doesnt use the PBO.
AMD is purposely limiting the performance by limiting the power because they know they'll have no competition this time around.
So they are just withholding the performance from us, so they can release a new batch of these refreshed processors when intel is back.
And they also know that most am5 users will not upgrade this year anyways.
GN has the 9700x as the most efficient desktop CPU ever. I haven't seen any OC reviews yet, will look for some.
Lmao u mean they can’t hack legit ddr5 ram speeds so they have to make excuses. What a fan boy. Keep telling yourself that.
@@godnamedtay AMD has had issues with ram since the fx series. Honestly, fanboys are horrible, but AMD fanboys are intolerable. It's like their shit doesn't stink. These companies only care about money, fanboys think the companies care about them. By the way guys, AMD is moving into A.I, so you better get mad and say they're ditching gamers like you said Nvidia was doing. Also, Intel is better with multi-core performance... Why does this sound familiar? "Cough" Ryzen 3000 series "Cough" "Cough"
It just proves that we have a bunch of techtubers that are nothing more than a bunch of amateurs reviewers looking for views over clickbaits thumbnails.
Or glorify maximum performance (top end processors with high end cooling, $1000+ GPUs, and 1500watt power supplies) in order to push product for their sponsors.
lol no, zen 5 is trash. It’s overpriced, 3-8% more power efficient and worse performing garbage that can’t get stable ram speeds above 5000 to save its life. wtf are u even talking about?
@@godnamedtay its much more power efficient than 3-8 percent. 9700 performs better at less than half the wattage of 7700X.
The 9700x performs better than the 7700x by only 5-10% even when the 7700x is limit to 65w. And that’s the productivity performance. For gaming performance, even the Raptor Lake refresh has better improvement than the 9700x.
Its still a terrible value at current pricing, thats all that matters
As all the CPUs at release are
@@ФедяКрюков-в6ь No
Lame. It's excellent at current pricing. Less than 7800X3d with better benchmarks other than games AND 65W TDP so less power cost.
so you want them to do an intel and never reduce the prices so their next gen actually looks good?
True for a replacement, for a new system it's better than last geneeration.
People complaining about high speed memory for Ryzen 9000. I'm honestly more concerned about whether or not the Memory Controller has actually been improved so it can support 128GB/higher in a stable state without going through a nightmare setup process. What's the point of having 4 DIMM slots if the CPU's mem controller can't even handle the capacity without breaking due to instability?
Anything above 64GB is a gamble. Usually, with 128GB, the support for OC'd ram is out the window. So, you are left with ram at an unimpressive speed. However, when grabbing 128GB of data at a time, you don't really rely on the frequency so much.
Level1Techs said that officially they don't even support 5200 if you use more than 2 (dual channel) memory slots.
Memory Controller seems to be about if not the same.
The RDNA is also v2 which is same as 7000s even though they even had RDNA3 for 8000s.
The only good thing is the TDP which only works for the most hardcore enthusiasts via OC and most basic usage via saving on the electricity bills.
Usually in common usage you don't need above 64GB ... if you need more, you might wanna try more cores instead as there are the ThreadRipper options for multitasking and tasks like compiling etc. which can be done in parallel.
Extreme amounts of RAM are more server friendly or apps with memory leaks friendly.
Astrophotography stacking with large sets of subframes can use lots of RAM. My 5900x has 128gb of RAM for what we call lucky imaging.
AMD has no idea how to handle ddr5. It’s been obvious since the release of of AM5. They can’t figure it out. EXPO is laughable. They tried to prolong the release of zen 5 but they can’t help it. It’s even worse than zen 4, especially with ram compatibility and speeds. It’s such a joke. These CPU’s are complete trash. The zen 4 x3d chips outperform and have better compatibility than any of these zen 5 pieces of sh*t.
@@kamikaze00007 last I heard it was exactly the same IO die as the 7000 series.
These tech reviewers are constantly bitching for more performance that current technology just can't keep up with and remain stable. And this is the whole issue with CPUs today. Not to mention the insane performance they expect from GPUs. People need to step back and get a grip on reality.
slightly better, slightly more power-efficient IPC improvement for a generation was not controversial when Intel did it for a decade, and with good reason. The bigger issue I think will be how the world handles the sunset of x86, if that actually happens; but even there the exponential increases can't continue forever.
well, when someone is charging $400 for a new product, it would be nice if it was meaningfully better than its predecessor, and the 9700x is not. And it costs more than the 7700x. It's a chip that just doesn't make sense. That's reality.
@@hermean What do you mean it wasn't controversial when intel did it? It was extremely controversial. People rightfully complained about how dissapointing they were every single generation since Sandy Bridge and the new ones were generally derided as not worth bothering with. The only reason they kinda got away with it was because AMD was effectively out of the competition. Once AMD started to compete again, they became a laughing stock for it. 14nm+++ is a literal meme. 14th gen also elicited something between a collective shrug and ridicule.
Also if your new product isn't meaningfully better than the old one than what's the point. Single digit performance and efficiency gains are disappointing at the best of times. But much like with intel it back in the day it could be an underwhelming realease but hey at least they are technically better than the old ones, might as well get the new ones. What makes this a bad release is the pricing. The new product being significantly more expensive than the old one is teribble even if there are big performance gains, if the performance is as underwhelming as it is here it's just insulting. And we're talking about price increases to the tune of 70%-80% when comparing them to the 7600 and the 7700, and yes AMD can add as many Xs to the name as they want those are the parts they are competing with.
Sure they perform better in some data center applications and that'll be relevant for Epyc and Threadripper and if we're being really generous maybe the 12 and 16 core parts, but these are very firmly in the consumer segment and they should be evaluated as such.
You guys are all wrong. The Ryzen 4070 is the best APU now combining unmatched CPU and GPU performance. Just buy it and you'll be set for the next century
A fellow ztt cult follower
These CPUs are just power limited to made top 9 series (12/16 cores CPUs) look better. Change my mind.
we shall surrender the warranty, overclock em
actually, they won't even bother to check if you overclock it
@@manusiaorang2842 yeah I know. I just watched Vex video about that. I personally still rocking with my Ryzen 5 2600 and RX 570. Looking forward to upgrade to 5700X3D someday and some decent card for 1080p gaming 😜
@@BADMIXofficial what's your motherboard
@@manusiaorang2842 I have MSI B450 Gaming Plus. Also I heard a hissing from power section on motherboard when I'm doing GPU heavy tasks like gaming or rendering a vid. I'm sure it's not GPU fans. Idk this mobo can hold this 8 core CPU. xD It's just gonna blow up xD
go and check out Der Bauer, he uses the overclock in the bios as AMD wants you to do and than you have a +25% speed uplift in performance and it is on par with the X3D!
Stock settings are a underclock, so you are technically not overclocking the CPU
where its on par ?? Bauer are asshole with 2-3 games !! go watch fackn Kitguru which have 3-4 games and 150+ watt raise 9700x and fps are same or 1-2%+- so dont bullshit
Reviewers got lazy with all the factory oveclocked processors
Bauer are lazy and he show game which prefer this cpu not 13 or more games
for a mere 170w vs 80w power draw
Jayz2Cents, Hardware Unboxed, Kitgurutech, Der8auer, LinusTechTips all used in spec ram and probably more reviewers
*That was me that informed everyone of the memory issue. You did your homework. I'm not bashing you. I'm bashing the benchmarkers.*
*That manual that you have, is contradictory to AMDs own page for the 9000 series. The 7000 series is what says that the official SPD support is 5,200MHz. The 9000 swries says, 5,600MHz. RIGHT ON THEIR OWN PAGE.*
*No one is going to buy an X grade CPU and NOT use EXPO profiles or ram. 5,600 SPD equates to supporting MINIMALLY 6,800MHz OC ram (stably).*
*You say the manual says anything faster voids the warranty. So, the 6,000MHz ram everyone used voided the warranty, too.*
I saw you calling out the memory support difference weeks ago. You are right. I did the research myself and AMD, themselves, said the SPD support is 5600 for zen5. Meaning, a 400 mhz jump at SPD would equate to at least 6800 on the expo or oc.
Maybe getting 'good' DDR5 8000, down clocking it to 6 and then tighten the timings more than the current best DDR5 6000 kits?
That way if you are hoping for an upgrade later you don't have to upgrade the memory as well..?
Also it's been suggested to stick to 2 DIMMs even if your board has 4 for better stability...
That’s exactly what I did with my 7800x3d. I paired it with 7200 CL34-42-42-84-126
And clocked it down to 6200 CL26-36-31-30-61 with no issues.
Back in the day we used to check the bus frequency before choosing a memory model. Higher memory speed generates wait states because cpu and memory are out of sync producing latency. This has been this way sinse the Athlon days.
Well, it’s out the next-gen processors of Ryzen 9000, well imagine Ryzen 10000 though
Ryzen 10900K
@@ФедяКрюков-в6ь Yep that is going be like a copy of Intel’s
You mean ryzen 10900x @@ФедяКрюков-в6ь
AMD may name it Ryzen AI like the mobile products
Team blue is dishing Blue screens right now, AMd solid choice and you save electricity. Case closed
Except the 9600x and 9700x is also dishing blue screen
From what ive heard about this gen, its about power efficiency. Power efficiency means better thermals which allows for higher clocks. So while the out of box might not be the 20-30% some people were hoping for, im sure we will see some achievable overclocks capable of hitting 15-20%... maybe on the 3d chips we will see some crazier stuff as well
So basically, overclock it yourself to get close to the leaked performance numbers, which voids your warranty... If there truly is so much headroom for overclocking, couldn't they just up the clocks from the box? Because as it stands right now, without overclocking, you are better off with 7000 series.
@swagtrap8358 I'm not saying to buy this gen and do it yourself. I'm saying simply what it's looking like the generation would take to hit those numbers
Basically just giving a discretion or tip to those who are interested
Ill be taking the risk but it's definitely not a plugnplay generation. Better of with a 7000x3d chip if that's what you want
I'll be waiting for the 9000x3d though
except they dont give it enough power to get higher clocks
@WayStedYou wdym
Isn't that the point of undervolting and overclocking. AMD themselves have shown these chips can actually oc pretty high. Supposedly this time it's not like normal amd where it falls off pretty quickly in terms of performance from extra wattage. Can't speak to whether or not that is true but it's what I've heard and seen
Much like the RTX 4060 release
Ryzen 9000 is a brilliant play by amd. They want you to go to 7800x3d instead of the new chips. When they get rid of a lot of 7800x3d they'll release the 9800x3d 120watt 5.4ghz cpu that will get an easy 20+% uplift over 7800x3d. How is everyone so blind AF?. Ever listen to the details about zen5 and what it brings? Notably it is a fresh vache system that allows much higher bandwidth and lower latency. This is why 7700x to 7800x3d is %15 but 9700x to 9800x3d will be 20-30%. How am I the only one seeing this?
Brilliant launch by amd.. Do not buy them for gaming(obv)
They want you buy the x3d chips now or wait for x3d chips which will absolutely crush.
Chinese channels are complimenting while English channels are doing the other way round🤔
Any Ryzen 9000 cpu would break Vegeta’s scouter
doesn't official AMD page state that 7000 supports ddr 5 5200 and 9000 supports ddr 5 5600?
so it seems guidelines have errors aswell
I've been screaming the memory support differences since AMD's official page (for the 9700X) went up weeks ago.
But.... on DAY ONE!! All the techs ran for the 'aMd oFfiCiAl gUiDe' to follow the exact instructions. 😑
@@asmongoldsmouth9839 most i saw used 6000 as amd calls it "sweet spot", some even went 6400 tweaked, which funnily enough with 7900XTX did have ~12% uplift and up to 19% relative to stock 7700X, so OC vs stock, orange to apples, but another point of reference
edit: but don't worry, Intel supports only 4400 speeds using 2 sticks, so anyone using 7200 for testing is wildly out of spec
"support" does not necessarily mean jedec's standard but...imo it should be that way
@@asmongoldsmouth9839 someone from intel joined amd as it seems
AMD lies. Haven’t u figured that out yet? Have u not ever seen ANY of their first party benchmarks. They lie, lie, and lie some more. Why in tf would u believe ANYTHING they say? Are u serious right now? Lmao
why are you such an AMD meatrider
lol, only a intel meatrider would write that
X3D is the interesting parts and worth waiting for, it's because Zen 5(and Zen 4) is bottlenecked by it's memory subsystem. 3D Vcache mitigates this bottleneck, and you don't need superfast RAM with 3D Vcache.
Apart from that, it's nice they are running at cool and conservative settings by default, not everyone needs the last bit of performance and cooling makes noise. Pricing is less fun though.
Faster ram wouldn't of helped it has power limit issues. However overclocking is looking promising.
people are not wrong the CPU is locked at 88W with out PBO, and in programs its impressive to have same performance as 7700X 140W at 88W .
that is until u test 7700 non X at 65W and see that u get only 7% up lift ( HUB 9600X review)
and in games the fact that is lock to 88W all the time and in all the games, make it sometimes less efficient then 7700X that use 60-100W, that CPU behave very weird.
people is really focused at the performance, they do not understand that amd does put effort in lower power consumption
I'm having hard times finding similar infos about Intel processors. I have a Intel 13700KF and I was wondering if there was also this kind of sweet spot for memory. Where is the treshold to remain @ 1:1?
No one?
😂 me getting a 7800x3d for $200 after bundled with motherboard at microcenter. No way, I'm buying any 9000 cpu.
It has sense like optimizing the ram for the processors, it sounds almost like it never happen before xd but seriously people are always super negative at any little bad thing instead of cold think throught stuff not like most stuff at realese in computing stuff is bad anyways
Exactly! Stability over speed. The mid range chips are the balancing act of this. You want peak performance, go for the higher end chips. I'd honestly still go for the XPO ram anyway just for the stability.
@@AnticipatedHedgehogstability is pretty much the same as zen 4, just lower power limit
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at least you're not calling them low end chips
@manusiaorang2842 power savings is always a plus. Who knows how high electricity rates are going to go.. True, these are still darn good CPUs!
Tomshardware, Level 1 Tech, Kitguru, LTT and WCCF all praised the 9700x and 9600x.
ands gn posted a pretty in depth review. stock for stock its only impressive feat was being close to 7700x at lower power draw.
LTT didn't exactly praise those chips, check again if you care.
So we just need ddr5 12000 mhz lol
Idk if micron or samsung have the stable modules ready. Ddr5 7200mhz is already 15-20% more expensive than 6000mhz.
@@Riyozsu15-20% ? Nah more expensive.
Can find 32GB 6000MHz CL30 to CL36 for ± 100€ max 120€.
@noob... - If you run 6,800MHz or higher SK Hynix single rank on that 9700X, you will be between 2-8% in gains above ths 7800X3D in gaming. It is simple.
But the manual had SERIOUS misinformation. Such as, the 9000 series only support 5,200MHz SPD ram. Well.... the ACTUAL AMD site for those processors says, 5,600MHz is the SPD support for ram. Hmmmmmm weird....
Also, no one runs SPD configurations when they but an X CPU or a K CPU.
@@RiyozsuI got 2x 16GB 7,200MHz sticks (32GB) of SK Hynix single rank of RGB ram CL 34 for $124 CAD. LoL. You spend more than that on coffee, tea, or Gatorade in 6 months. It is CHEAP!!!
It’ll be 50 years before AMD even tries to tackle this feat.
I actually like what they did. 6000 MT/s is still double to what I currently have with DDR4 and their processors & GPUs, unlike intel and novidia, don't break my wallet and give me the performance and stability I want.
There are 2 Ryzen 9000 versions. The 4nm for desktop now, then in September the 3nm version for desktop. 4nm is going to end up being cheaper once 3nm launches.
9800X3D will be a beast.. the 7800X3D, and 5800X3D was very "memory friendly" (not depend that mutch on memory speed and timings).. Just turning on and BOOM big performance without tweeking.
i love my 7950x. Got it at launch, newer skus had me worried, now im feeling pretty solid in my choice near two years in. Ive avoided all headaches, had no problems. My OC and undervolt setting have stayed static this whole time so its a good tune that isnt degrading so ive gotten to enjoy a decent binned chip running better than the rest.
Pretty confident i can make this rig ive got last quite a few generations so long as i keep it maintained and tweaked. Pretty sure i'd enjoy an IHS lapping kit rather than a new cpu right now, i could get even better thermals and make PBO boost higher.
With all these AI models out there, im amazed there isnt one for both AMD and Intel. if something could test every setting at every level possible to find the absolute best settings, that would be pretty baller. There are auto oc options, but those are based off preset data. it wont try undervolting or increasing frequency ceiling/base to make gains, nor even test each individual +/- Mhz on core, mem, gpu, whatever. just sets you into a category based of range of unthoroughly tested silicon rating.
The hardware unboxed results had surprisingly lower gaming minimums for some Zen 5 chips compared to their Zen 4 counterparts. That's worrying given the price difference.
It's also a bit weird AMD asking testers to use 6000MT/S RAM when the CPUs don't officially support it.
Same or slightly lower at 65W TDP vs older chip at 105W TDP (88W vs 142W actual draw.)
That's pretty good.
Some reviewers opened up the PBO to allow the higher power draw, and it kicked the last generations butt at the same Watts.
@@hrayz Not in Gaming.
Also at the same time the warranty is void when going past 5200MT/S 🤔
@@Airwolf2030 that's always been the "rules" but has never been followed.
@@Airwolf2030also void if pbo gets activated..
great efficiency and slightly better, if it's looking too good, the improvements on the new X3D's will look less appetizing
"Max Memory Speed
2x1R DDR5-5600
2x2R DDR5-5600
4x1R DDR5-3600
4x2R DDR5-3600"
I don't care about the news - Why are you so sweaty ?? 🤣🤣
I'm just waiting on the X3D variant, and even then, this issue isn't all that bad. Just some updates for this should and will practically make it better.
This always happens with new products.
there was a noticeable performance increase using 6400 kit on 9000 series cpu's done by some reviewers
Non X3D chips are not meant for gamers. For productivity workloads they are really good in comparison with the previous generation. Add here lower power consumption and they are no brainers if you work on it all day long.
If AMD can take down it's own behemoth that is the 7800X3D, they'll do something no tech company has ever done before.
Actually continue to innovate after they win the market.
That is silly, if you buy a higher tier cpu, you are more obligated to buy the fastest ram,
That point made no sense.
Gamer meld is wrong here, I was watching a overclocker last night and 8000mt ram is more stable than 6000mt on the new 9000 series. You can read all you want I watched it with my own eyes.
Hang on so Ryzen 9000 series didn’t have better memory controllers form what I’ve heard Ryzen 9000 supports up to 5600MT/S before considering it an overclock. Is AMD lying here?
It’s not worth upgrading from 7000 but if price comes down and someone is building new it would be a decent option for domino looking for efficiency especially in smaller form factor pcs.
My intention is not to blame anyone but it seems to me that Intel is paying everyone enough to dispraise amd cpus. Literally, tech channels should be talking about people wasted their money on intel 13 and 14th gen cpus instead of less problematic amd cpus. Hello there, tech channels. WAKE UP! It is not acceptable that after paying hundreds of dollars being left behind with unrepairable broken intel cpu.
What about DDR5-8400 for 9000x3D
They forgot amd has fine wine tech
I have skipped the 7000 series cpus, currently still using a 5950x. Lately I feel there's motherboard/PCIE slot damage, as games that use DirectX 12 have been crashing the gpu driver with both AMD & Nvidia gpus.
So I am going to upgrade to a 9950x setup (maybe get a X3D chip sometime after if I really want to, but I don't just game).
As we see from some reviews higher speed memory does help. That doesn't change the fact that Amd kinda missed an opportunity here. Yes there are a lot of people like me who know their next Cpu will be Amd and some who will never buy Intel (I'm close to that choise), but if ZEN 5 was really good AMD could have ran away with it.
Use the Ryzen 5 8500G if you want to go faster on memory otherwise 6000MTs is fastest.
That was an abrupt end to the vid :D
Please stop spreading the misinformation that overclocking voids your warranty, especially for your US-based viewers. In the US, if the processor can be proven to have a warrantable failure because of an overclock, then AMD is free to void the warranty for that failure. However, if you overclock the memory and the iGPU shorts out, cooking the CPU, and AMD cannot prove that the iGPU fried because of the memory overclock, they must honor the warranty and voiding it is ILLEGAL. The key is that they must be able to prove that the failure was caused by the overclock. This is also why I recommend anyone in the US remove the "warranty void" stickers from all of their products. Trying to enforce them can result in some nice juicy fines.
If you use newer gen ryzen then everything is at a 3:1 ratio. not 2:1. 2:1 ratio is for older ryzen chips
the whole MT/s vs frequency misunderstanding is really stupid... its right in the name DOUBLE DATA RATE, its like people don't remember SDRAM.
tbh i already understood all of this. would have been nice to have ddr5 6400 be the sweet spot for ryzen 9000 i think it would have given the cpu’s about 5-10% potential performance boost.
Wasn't there some issues with taking ram above 6000 here lately?
Need to test DDR5-8200MT/s at 1:1 in decoupled mode to see how it performs vs DDR5-6000MT/s at 1:1 with coupled FCLK, or has this been done/tested already?
WTF you smoke again?? you talks for months about 20-40% of IPC uplift out of some leakers lying butts of this (new Bulldozer) zen5 cpus and reality are 3-5% at best
it was leaks and rumors, if you are new to tech news channels, welcome to reality
@@betag24cn but they talk like its real just like now for rtx 5090 for year and half and Nvidia dont show nothing,probably dint even start to develop!!AMD was smoking glue with those lying benches on CES Too
I'm a bit confused as press pack shows a +42% increase in handbrake when comparing 9700x against 14700k but reviews show intel ahead??????
Intel is way ahead of these new amd chips is most tests. It is strange that they do certain task better than others.
I have always used max native speeds with the lowest latency
Still.... better power consumption sounds great but... performance jump is really small and Intel could take advantage of that, ill just wait til next year to prices to come down.
intel is or rusting or burning itself, about to release non e cores cpus and thinking on removing hiperthreading, soon, i dont expect much from them
yeah intel will release more 400 watt cpus because benchmarks
Which one better ryzen 9950x or ryzen 7950x3d ?
The biggest issue I've had with a lot of the reviewers is that there's very little testing being done with PBO enabled. That should be an extra 10 - 15% extra performance based on the few reviews that have used it that I've seen, since it allows wattages similar to last gen.
wait they told reviewers to use the sweet spot of ram @ 6000, but that speed voids the warranty?
Please tell AMD they their I/O die chip is holding back performance, they used the same 6nm I/O which was in Zen 4. But it has serious Memory throttling that's why X3D chips are much faster. The old Infinity Fabric has lots of performance issues and simply needs to go.
That combined with TDP throttling resulted in very poor Zen 5 performance
I have a 7600 test 3 stick different brand 16x2 32gb 6000 none of them able to post, 4800 actual speed, but pass that I'm really happy with my CPU.
Overclocking memory does not void warranty. If it breaks before your warranty ends, they can't tell if you ran your memory with expo or xmp and will replace your CPU. Even if you tell them you had running with them on, they will likely still replace it, at least once. (lol Intel)
It does void your warranty and if you tell them that, they are within their right to deny you support. Buy like you said, they have no way of verifying so just lie to them...
Gamer Meld, are you from Louisiana by any chance?
the problem with ddr5 8000mhz is that you need to know a little bit about ram overclocking and the V range but that is to hard for the large english channels.
i mean you can aske (Actually Hardcore Overclocking) for help but thats also to hard.
you need to watch 4 videos that you kown if the new cp is good or not and that is sad
So DDR5-6000 CL30 is best memory to get?
Never expected AM5 to be Amazing nor RDNA 4 ... waiting for the following gens to upgrade.
Good decision
That's why you should purchase the Ryzen 4070
Turn on the AC my dude
I thought it was good, very impressive power specs. But value wise, I think going 8000 is still the way to go. And if on 8000, one is likely probably better off to skip this generation (pending ha release of hgher power parts and/or pending X3D varients). It's performance is good, and power consumption is great - but the price of outgoing vs new, outgoing has the value advantage at this time.
No this is too complex for the average game who just wants it to work out of the box without all these special settings.
buy stuff. plug it in. it works. you can game. want best performance? get ddr5-6000. turn on expo or docp in bios. it's two knowledge points. buy ddr5-6000 ram. turn on ram overclock. nothing complex.
probably shouldn't be building a pc if you want it to work out of the box, plenty of professionals that will go through the bs and build you a pc
@@Luke-Ryan Thanks again, I build all my own PC's. That way I get exactly what I want, motherboard, CPU, DRAM, GPU, etc.
@@skye7690 Sure but you said the average gamer just wants it to work out of the box which building your own pc doesn't ... that's what pre builts are for
@@salted2096 I see your point. I mean i just take CPU or CPU out of its box, plug it into the motherboard, and basically it just works. Many users don't like a lot of tweaking, though some folks do.
I will always buy the CPU which uses nearly half the Power to have the same Performance as its Predecessor ... . Let an 9600X or 9700X run in the same Power envelope as their Predecessor and you will see your 10-20 % more Performance ( in Multicore APPs ) . Gamers will wait for the X3D Cpus in 6-8 weeks anyway . Zen 5 has a way lower Power consumption which can still be reduced by undervolting and Curve Optimiser i guess .
Great explanation! This is the first time I heard of this explained the way you did it. Thanks for sharing!
damn i would totally get it but my ryzen 5950x is still overkill.
Everyone including you?
Im probably wrong but arent the x870 boards support higher ram speeds
il be interested to see what ddr6 ram brings to the table with amd
Will see much beret performance in workloads
Didn't really understand everything. Does this effect me as a consumer? planing on getting a 9000 series but also planing on using 6400mhz ram, will it effect my preformance badly and will my cpu warenty actually get voided?
OMG it's sooooooooo fkn simple!!!
just use 6000mhz!
@@virusesgaming5129 chill dude just asked a question. No shit I can lower it just would be less slower so would it be more preformance effective to keep it the normal or lower. Also u didn't say shit about warrenty
Cool, now do a performance per watt comparison
Any fanboy stating they should use faster ram is dumb. The io die hasn't really changed much since last gen and it couldn't really handle much faster than 6200 in gear 2. Any higher is dumb dumb fanboy land unless using an APU. On an APU the integrated graphics sub system would benefit from the extra bandwidth but the CPU part would suffer slightly from higher latency.
Your face is a bit flushed today. Everything alright brother?
Leaks ryzen 9000 as a huge 50% increase for months, Ryzen 9000 proceeds to give nothing
Gamer Meld, I really do not know what you point is. People that care about Ryzen really want to understand HOW and WHY AMD got it's published expected results against Intel chips SOOOO wrong. What setup settings were AMD using (which is why so many viewers picked up on RAM) when testing the new CPUs, etc. No verification testing has come close to AMD's results. I am not sure why anyone would hold that against the different RUclips channels. It was AMD that published their results without ANY attempt to support them.
So far, there is only the 7800X3D that makes since for non-budget gamers, looking out 5 years or more. Maybe there will be a 9800X3D, but as of now, I doubt it would be better than the 7800X3D. For budget players, and anyone staying with1080p, the 7600X still looks like a great option. I do not see why any gamers would need any of the new, more expensive, CPU's produced by AMD. That does not make me an AMD hater (in fact, I use only AMD for gaming at the moment). The real expectation set by AMD was that the new CPUs were not aimed at gaming. And that expectation has been met.
I can’t even afford DDR5 8000
For anyone talking about what to buy, not to buy, buy this instead....
WAIT for benchmarks. Wait for absolute results. Draw the median, between the same components you are aiming for. Then go to conclusions..
Its moronic to choose "sides" - like either the red pill or blue pill..
Intel is amazing. AMD is amazing. Nvidia is amazing.
Intel's latest stunt is dissapointing. AMD's money to value ratio in the "Workstation" market is slim to none difference.
Don't take sides. Find what is best for your usage.
For me; i game and i render in Blender, and use DaVinci Resolve.
AMD's cards are seriously lacking in the 3D rendering department... Barely scratches 4600 score in Blender Benchmark software. Which is 700 score lower than a cheap 3090 variant.
I, myself have the cheapo 3090..
I was just now, looking to upgrade, and thought, "Why not AMD", but checked the scores, and was blown away at how bad their score was..
4090 is at 10900 score!!!
4080 super is at 8300 score.
4070 ti super is at 6900 score.
3090 is at 5300 score.
7900XTX is at 4600 score.
which means, money per dollar, its actually better if i buy a used 4090 right now (if you use Blender or other 3D software), than buying any other card atm. (its around 1600usd in my country, other 7900XTX was selling for 1000usd.. Both cards used... yikes..)
This is my situation when it comes to GPU, but for you it might be different.
Look at CPU's the same way as you would a GPU. What is its purpose? Is it workhorse tasks? Or is it gaming? Is it streaming? Whats the goal?
If it weren't for the Intel stunt, i would have gone with a 14900KF, but going for the 7950X3D, which has almost the absolute same results in rendering, and gaming. But also costs about the same if you take into account RAM, MOBO, COOLER. (AMD motherboards, for some reason, cost more than Intel mobos... Possibly because Intel is not going to continue with newer gen on the same socket, but AMD is.)
I always do this with Ryzen, well I thought it was common sense by now, when it comes to AMD with speed and timings of DDR, Mine is running a 5600X with over clocked 3200Mhz CL16-18-18-18-38-74-24-18, and so on with the timings with a voltage 1.35v, so I overclocked the sh* out of the memory I have to 3600Mhz at 16-19-19-18-34-74-34-16-6-12-6-12-580-460-250, and so on with 1.40v, but i'm wanting to tighten the secondary timings more to get a more snapping, (a.k.a fast loading and readings). When it comes to 9900X or 9800X3D, when I get one of these, I'll be getting 6000Mhz Cl30, and I'll be over clocking the sh* out, with an overclock of 26-32-32-30-34-72-32-20 at 1.45/1.500v, but unsure if it will be stable enought with 9900X or 9800X3D or the RAM Kit!
Go check out the new (and I have to spell this incorrectly on purpose... so just put it together as one name) [co _ r-e = te _ks. ] He explains A TON about what is REALLY going on with this launch... sneaky sneaky AMD... they could CARE LESS ABOUT US ENTHUSIASTS .... you'll see EXACTLY why I say this if you watch the video
That and the MLID perspective are good ones to contrast. Laptop reviewers like the "AI" line, it seems. Desktop 9000 seems pretty unimpressive unless they can eek some more performance out of it.
Checked his channel out, and it was an interesting take on the market. Thanks for sharing! Hoping for a better result for the 9950x and 9950x3D.
Good info, good points made. Time will tell. 3080ti
5800
wrong wrong wrong... o wrong... did I say wrong.... the FCLK, UCLK and MCLK are still ratio based.... just not a 2:1 ration like on ryzen 5000... clearly this guy is team blue....
Best ratio of gaming and over all latency and stability is to have FCLK, UCLK, and MCLK at a 1:1:2.
Also ryzen 7000 run just fine at 6400mhz if you got a good kit... talking £300ish for 32gb though.... the 6000MTs cl 28 kits are a good start, the only issue is you'll want active ram cooling.....
What is it with tech tubers these day... AMDs memory controller starts creaking over 6000MTs, like the 5000s did at 4000MTs
Jesus Christ the clickbaity thumbnails and titles