I subscribe to the idea that Sargaras was aiming for a secret titan facility with his sword but missed. At the end of legion he was taking his time searching for something; if it were obvious where his target is he would've taken action soon after arriving on azeroth. When we found him he wasn't done figuring out the exact location so while being whisked away he stabbed the area of his best guess as a desperate last ditch. It probably didn't help that the sundering shifted the landscape.
Thankfully a being such as sargeras doesn’t use things such as eyesight to find where things are. He can sense things with magic far beyond what our characters could do.
Not like the Sundering would have actually mattered, as he never even visited Azeroth in his true form ever before. The problem with Sargeras is that he was absent from the entire Legion expansion, up until the very last part, that the writers never actually wrote. There was a reason why we didn't know what he was doing, because the writers didn't know it either :D
@@Michael-bn1oi Not quite, he was talking about how a being like him should easily find anything magic-related, and the titan facilities have Arcane magic, simple as that. If he really wanted to find something related to the Pantheon, he wouldn't have had much difficulty with it.
In the Chromie-Quest when we go back to the Black Empire, N'zoth basically told us the premise of the War Within: "You will follow him to the deep places. The dark waters will flow in his wake." and "With many eyes they will see again. They will drink and be uplifted." - An expansion underground and Nerubians. What is interesting for me is that he (yet again) had quite precise whispers about events after his death. Which means, he could have easily prevented it. And he did not even know about the Harbinger, he included her in his plans. I would not be surprised to find a certain dagger whispering to me about how I definitely should have killed Sylvanas when I had the chance, is all I'm saying, really.
@@laertesindeed Yeah......if N'Zoth actually died, then The Darkmoon Faire would have ceased to exist! I should know, my MC is literally a carnie that actually works directly under Silas Darkmoon himself! Don't worry folks, according to the "Emperor of Freaks" himself, N'Zoth is still alive and well!
When he made his deal with Xal'atath, N'zoth said "Go. But the blade must remain to serve my will." I think the the blade was somehow used to guide us to Nazjatar, but was that really all it accomplished for N'zoth? I hope not.
You hear of this dude name pyromancer, he say’s stuff like… Oh….. OH, well super glad to have your voice back in the theory crafting. Watched you from your warlock vids, even tried FF because of your enthusiasm. Keep it up bud. Your angles make for some good brain chews.
You are wrong in many of your conclusions, especially regarding runes. Your worst take is to consider cosmic forces as factions, or organisations, or even an item that indicates a common goal.
@@francescoporcari8597 are titans not creation given form? Aren’t they literally made from the universe itself? We certainly see each force presented to us in game as factions of that force, with each common goal to claim Azeroth, or rather “champions” of each represented force trying to.
You say, not specifying what's wrong or giving any counterpoints. How can you know that someone's wrong about what's going to happen in a story that hasn't even been written yet? Bellular literally just makes stuff up most of the time, but I don't see you criticizing him for being wrong?@@francescoporcari8597
i haven't played retail in the longest time, its always nice getting caught back up to speed on lore watching your videos. it might be an okay time to come back for WoWs 20th :)
Another thing to note is how Void Elves also seem to be more connected to the Cosmic Void than the traditional Void we all know and love. Just look at their Heritage Armor.
The main gripe I have is they constantly give vague descriptions of these "unimaginable horrors" that the Void lords will inflict without ever really revealing anything, to the point where their supposed threat have no weight behind them. What exactly did Sargaeras see that made him so afraid? What did Murozond see? These never get addressed and are left unanswered for decades.
Neither saw shit Sargeras panicked because he was driven crazy by Nathrezim and the inaction of the Pantheon. Murozond can’t see past beyond his own death and is something that should never have happened
I mean the Old Gods don't seem particularly....kind and almost every interaction with the void leaves one mad and mutated. so im gonna go with Void bad people.
"500,000 Years ago" what? The oldest known relic we have of the Black Empire is carbon dated to 150,000 years old - nothing we know of is 500,000 years old. I was hoping you were going to expand upon that seemingly arbitrary number in the thumbnail, lol
Minor correction: The Old gods would never see eye to eye with anyone. They’d see eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to….. Wait I lost count….
I can't seem to find the quote right now, but somebody a while back (I think Brann or simply a narrator of a book talking about the Explorer's League) said something about not knowing what kind of evil the sword of Sargeras had disturbed deep below Silithus. Essentially, I think the sword might've hit something deep below, and Xal'atath might be gathering its blood.
Yeah C’thuun is buried there where the sword struck. I always thought the “Azerite” was actually his blood. If you look at Saronite the ore we mined in wrath it was Yog’sarons blood. The quote “the king of diamonds has been made a pawn” made me think Magni told us it was Azeroth’s blood without knowing it was actually C’thuuns but I guess that didn’t pan out lol
talking about "the goat" in the beginning, reminded me of some of the wispers from the toy "puzzle box of Yogg Saron" - that I never truly understood what they were hinting at, only maybe a bit into the direction of N'Zoth/Cthulhu...
Its 100% this. Sargeras tryed to destroy the prison titans put around Azeroth, he wanted to free Azeroth so she could awaken and banish the void, light, fel and Arcane from Reality
Pyromancer's theory are much more far fetched than what Bell is saying. And the fact is the Twilight Hermit, although redeemed, speaks from a not exactly neutral pov.
@@A_Wild_Espeon indeed 5hey show passion, but I don't know, sometimes they pretend their made up fiction to be (in game) truth. And I love to play "opinion-fencing" with them.
Doesn't it track that Sargeras was just trying to kill Azeroth outright? I mean, Occum's Razor - If he kills Azeroth, then the Void Lords lose their campaign to infest a powerful Titan. And this is precisely his MO - extinguishing all life so that the Void cannot get a foothold.
Regarding things that changed when Sargeras stabbed the world; I can't help but feel that Ralo'shan the Eternal Watcher is worth looking into. "They say that I am blessed: A herald to harken in a new age. Ancient forces stir - forces that have not been seen or felt for thousands of years. The world weeps, . Perhaps a new sundering comes. A sickness born from within..." On the PTR, one could see her corpse next to her tower, but it was removed before it hit live, with no explaination. And then, in 7.3.5. PTR she could be found alive again. I can't help but feel like we've not seen the last of her. She was there during the War of the Shifting Sands, so perhaps she knows something about Xal'atath that we don't?
Doesn't make sense at all, the Titans specifically made life and defended life and made systems that would guarantee that life would flourish. They literally explained that they never made any stone or metal constructs "UNTIL" they realized they needed something that could resist old god whispers to defeat and imprison those old gods. Then they made their titankeepers and watchers and earthen etc..... the goal of the ordering was "NEVER" to make stone golems and then call it done. The constructs were a plan B to get back to their goals.
@@laertesindeedis this new lore or something? Because I thought it was always that Titans created titanforged after they discovered Azeroth which had Black Empire on it
@@Sodys_eyy Not new lore at all, it was the original lore. Go read the vanilla sources. And the wrath sources. They showed up, saw the old god corruption... tried to pull one out, that failed because of the consequences. So they needed to do it the hard way and make some stone and metal constructs that could resist the old god whispers and individually combat the old gods down there on the surface hopefully without damaging the planet. That was the titan keepers and watchers and earthen etc. They were literally a plan B, the life was plan A. They used plan B to get the old gods out of the way so that they could go back to plan A. Which they did.
@@laertesindeedThe lore has been veering off from life, but more is attached to constructs, since it's Freya that is concerned with life. Life is inherently chaotic, best kind of order is machines, wherein they will only move limited to their programming.
This is something people seems to forget. There's no more room for "we killed only a fraction of them" "that was an Avatar". Maybe they can preserve their mind/soul/Identity without a physical body. But their physicale existence on the reality plan is gone for sure.
What people forget is that the old gods have never manifested 100% of their selves into our world. So as long as there is a tiny piece somewhere they will continue to exist. It’s like we chopped off the tentacle of a kraken and expected it to die.
I just wonder, if Azeroth would awake once, what next? It seems like end of story. Will be Azeroth still active and habitable, how will we communicate with our titan, will she be corrupted or help us anyhow. I'm wondering where the story of Azeroth would go. Will we need to move out to another planet because it would die without the soul inside and Azeroth would work only through bronze dragons? I don't know
The problem with this god awful theory "titans sinister plan" aka using azeroth as a battery for their own end, is one simple fact that they had the golden opportunity to do so when they originally found azeroth. Like literally, they could have done what took jailor eons to do, in matter of hrs maybe? And feed off that power however they wished. I really hope blizz think this through very very carefully before implementing a jailor 2.0 crap. They should have never touched the titans lore and instead continued the plot where that god awful SL last raid ending teased. They needed to build up this new threat in DF or at least start laying the foundation of it.
@NOLA-vv3sz technically he was a good guy then, or at least they believed him to be but yea, these sinister beings really didn't work on their ingenious plan. Which is even more preplexing when the leader of the titans is apt at time magic.
@laertesindeed that is exactly what I believe, too. I'm trying to point out the inconsistencies in these ridiculous theories. However, with the way the lore has been butchered in SL, there is room for concern.
@@bastalam The entirety of BFA/SL/DF are like an entire Unreliable Narrator Saga. None of them make sense, and none of them connect to the actual warcraft lore. Arcane magic exists everywhere, including in Azeroth, and the Titans don't need to bring it here. There is no ridiculous "showing up and making her be arcane" going on. All titans can use multiple kinds of magic. Including nature and holy and arcane and fire and water and lightning yada yada yada. None of them were ever requiring people turn into arcane elementals or anything. They specifically put systems in place to defend life and make life flourish. The existence of the stone and metal constructs was not the goal of their ordering...... it was literally a plan B because they needed a force that could resist the whispers of old gods while they locked them away; and yes, they needed to be locked away because of the fact we all know about what happens if you just rip one out. We need to go back to what the original lore was; namely that Titans were trying to find more of their own kind and weren't entirely sure how it happened. Aman'thul may have been of the opinion that titans were just some rare default in the universe because of the clash of light and void so that all he needed to find more world souls was to keep looking. Eonar may have been of the opinion that titans were the result of there being enough life and complex life on a world to mysteriously magically manifest a world soul so that all she needed to do was grow as much complex life as she could on every world they found hoping that complexity would make a titan. Whereas Norgannon may have been of the opinion that some previous civilization had been responsible for the existence of magic and that the magic was what created world souls and allowed them to be titans so if he wanted more titan friends he would have to create and defend and empower as many mortal civilizations on every planet they found....hoping one of those civilizations would understand magic well enough to manifest a new titan. They could have all had such different opinions.....but still work together looking for new planets and ordering them to have life and civilizations and magic that flourishes because none of them is entirely sure which method is the correct one for finding more titans, if any.
@Bellular, Dont know if you talked about this, frankly i dont remember such episode, but you should really check out what Verimathras says when you meet him in Antorus. He pretty much talks Xal'atath about the heart of Azeroth and about betrayal in the alliance.
Azeroth is the only hope. Sargeras has realized this. The Cosmos has already been Ordered. Sargeras has broken the prison. Fyrakk has broken the dream. Sargeras stole Argus. The Titan's greatest experiment. Sargeras sent a world soul to the Void. The Primus is in league with the Titans. The Runes speak the truth, the Runes show the way.
The Runes are just a way to attach magic (any kind of magic) to an object. Not all the runes are related to domination or order magic. The Orcs blademaster's weapons carry runes as well as Sargeras pauldrons, shadowmoon burial grounds, even in the shots from the Assaults you can see Black Empire obelisks covered in runes. Pyromancer is building speculations on other speculations on slight hints, ending up being too far fetching and so groundless in his conclusions.
@@francescoporcari8597 Yes you are correct. 🙂 Also yes he does, it is interesting the way his mind seems to work with his ideas but they're all speculation & to be taken with a grain of salt. As are my own which go against his.
Like pyromancer said, I think Sargeras wanted to help free Azeroth from the prison of the titans. Those concentric spinning circles we see in many representations of Azeroths globe? Two of them are shown broken after Sargeras hit Azeroth with the blade. The same circle prisons with the same runes that the titans used to imprison the primal incarnates. Sargeras wanted to help free Azeroth from the prison and we goofed it.
heya i just had a theory and idk if people will reply BUT : when you start the algalon encounter one of the phrases sayd is that the lifeform itself is corrupted / and its defense also : what if anything alive is seen as defense , and the world soul itself if corrupted => the message was never send to the pantheon so they never would have know the world soul is corrupted , the only worry they had was sargaras . it would also explain why the elements are so focused on azeroth knowing there history with old gods ,
Here is another theory, what if the reason the voices stopped wasn't because sargaras killed something but, due to his haste to strike before he could be capture he hit something else causing the source of the whispers to suddenly devise a new more prosperous plan in other words the sword stab actually back fired and made it easier for the old gods to reach Azeroth.
Why not use her when they originally came to azeroth? If it's power they want, then what would it matter if she was almost tainted or not. Jailor didn't care and just siphoned power, so why would they wait? This is the problem when they care not about previous lore and just go about some far off unhinged tangent so progress the story.
@@bastalam How do you know they haven't been siphoning her power since they came to Azeroth? If you find a generator of infinite power, do you harness it and generate infinite power, or do you crack it open to look for what's generating it and risk losing it entirely?
@TaliesinMyrddin how do I know? Easy... why did they leave azeroth? You just leave your best source of power and yeet off to no where cause? Mind you this said power can pretty much power up reality ending machine. Why would they ever leave it be. Do you know where and how they were prior to legion expac? So they are apparently these ingenious sinister beings yet just leave and get defeated and turn to essence form for millenias..... 😐😒
Its the same old cliche that writers use as in they create a lore and they add characters and events together to put together an intricate web that they can reference back and forth as they add more things....due this the right way and you`ll have and endless evolving story....
Just going to throw something out there which turns this all on its head. If Azeroth is Creation or the Maker (Mother), snd Argus is the Unmaker wouldn't they essentially the opposing force that keeps each of them in check? Life - Death, Order - Disorder, and Light - Shadow (Void) each has an opposing force that is directly designed to be the counter to the other in essence to form a means for Cosmic Balance. So Azeroth and Argus actually have a connection they need each other or more importantly they need contact with each other as they essentially are the means by which they can be restored or cleansed of any external tampering. For example lets say Azeroth is corrupted by a mix of Void(Shadow) and Arcane (Order), then Argus provided he was in her proximity been able to Unmake/Purge/Cleanse Azeroth and return her back to her original state. However, the Titan Pantheon has tampered with this natural order to ensure that they 'Order' everything, and the key thing to note about the Titan Pantheon is that they refuse to accept Death all their Titanforged were created to never die. The 'Curse of Flesh' might have caused some issues but they isolated Decay which links with Death, i.e Decay is the opposite of Spirit (Life & Death). Instead the Shadowlands is a realm which clearly isn't a construct of Decay instead it is clearly a construct of Spirit hence the reason for the whole Anima aspect of Shadowland Anima = Spirit and if Spirit is connected with Life, then Anima is logically connected with Life and not Death. This is the means by which the Titan Pantheon Ordered Azeroth to isolate and remove Death and Decay as they are outliers for their perfect ordering of Azeroth. Clearly they are unable to prevent Death and Decay from leaking through and causing issues in various locations; for example the Drust are most definitely an incursion of actual Decay and Death on to the Titans Ordered Design. Now that you understand the correlation between Azeroth and Argus consider the fact that the Titans understood the connection between these two so new they had to separate them making it so they are far enough apart that they are unable to cleanse each other. So the do two things they push Argus out into the Twisting Nether while they additionally cloak Azeroth in a Shroud which cloaks and obscures Azeroth and with Argus floating within the Twisting Nether clearly they would be lost having no idea where Argus is it would try to reach out for Azeroth. If Azeroth wasn't shrouded it is possible the Argus might be able to perceive Azeroth's location and return to her however, as she is cloaked he is unable to find her so he finds himself wandering aimlessly through the twisting nether mourning the loss of his connection with Azeroth. (Go back and listen/read the whole Alleria dialogue where she talks about the lost World Soul and the feelings she gets from it...that's Argus...) Hopefully this is all making sense but here is the part that might blow peoples minds...so if you take the Tauren story of creation with the Earth Mother it's clearly a reimagining of Azeroth. However, in that story there is the addition of two other entities M'usha and A'nshe these are essentially the Moon (M'usha) and the Sun (A'nshe). Now if we understand that the concept of the Moon of Azeroth is actually Elune then clearly she is M'usha. The problem is with A'nshe as the entity is lost or missing and there is no information about what happened to him, the Sun that Azeroth has currently is something that is made by the Titan Pantheon to form as a quazi replacement that clearly lacks the actual power that A'nshe would have had. So what happened with A'nshe? Azeroth clearly shares a bond or strong connection with Elune the two are entwined if you like however, A'nshe isn't like Azeroth his energy in bodies cleansing through the fires of creation which in turn clearly is a link with Unmaking. So A'nshe shares a bond or strong connection with Argus meaning that these two are entwined, this means that A'nshe would have followed or might have been pulled out in to the twisting nether through is connection to Argus. This is why A'nshe is lost from Azeroth iit was pulled away to the twisting nether with Argus. SO WHO IS A'NSHE? An'she is clearly SARGAROS who was originally controlled (Dominated) by the Titan Pantheon. However, through his time in the twisting nether and the affect that Argus has in terms of being there as well Sargaros overtime he frees himself from the domination and returns to an aspect of his true former self....the FLAMING TITAN (I.E. THE SUN TITAN). However, he clearly also has been impacted by his time in the Twisting Nether as his mind can't be fully restored i.e the MADNESS he clearly knows that he has some kind of special connection with Argus and Azeroth but, is unable to fully understand why? In essence A'nshe is gone lost to the Twisting Nether and Madness it's this that creates the entity that we know as Sargaros the Dark Titan now. Okay so if you understand all of that then what was the reason that Sargaros stabbed his sword in to Azeroth? we know that his sword is something like a mourneblade which is a weapon that is capable of splitting souls. When a mourneblade is used to kill someone it splits their soul and takes part of that soul in to the blade as form of empowerment or feeding if you like of the entity that is imprisoned within the weapon (it's intelligence). The other part of the soul travels to it's usual location but it is not complete it is missing part of itself so it clearly would be suffering. So what happened when Sargaros cleaved Argus? His Sword would have absorbed part of Argus's essence into itself while the rest would have been the fractured remains of his essence. This is why Argus was suffering at the hands of the Titan Pantheon the essence they had captured and imprisoned was a fractured part of Argus that was already suffering greatly due to the Soul Splitting. So now that we know that Sargaros's sword clearly had part of Argus's essence that it absorbed. What if Sargaros is actually stabbing Azeroth aiming for the Chamber of the Heart specifically while using his control over his sword to release the trapped partial essence of Argus into Azeroth. Think about it... SARGAROS IS GIVING AZEROTH A PART OF ARGUS SO THAT SHE CAN BE CLEANSED... remove the cosmic taint that has been imposed on her by the Titan Pantheon and the Old Gods...while I don't think it is enough to fully cleanse Azeroth it is clearly enough to awaken her and bring her back from her ordered slumber, everything changes with the Sword...it's the catalyst that awakens her etc. so SARGAROS is on our side in a way but, his nature is that of purging creation through fire etc... this is why he originally was against life on Azeroth is was an aspect of his fiery cleansing. Just something to throw out there that might make many people rethink everything....and gives meaning to why the Titan Pantheon who wants to eradicate the concept of Decay and Death as for them it is all about Life and only Life. This is why they manipulated the players in to killing Argus in Antorus they needed the players to help them to remove the aspect of Unmaking which has some connection with Death clearly so that it won't be an issue they needed to deal with any longer. However, they were unaware that Sargaros still had a part of Argus in his sword; the Titan Pantheon assumed that when we killed Argus it would have prevented any possible link to Azeroth that might have restored her undoing their ordered control over the Azeroth but there was a part of Argus left behind that they weren't aware of.
If I had to hazard a guess; Xal'atath somehow manages to get what she wanted in the war within and engulf Azeroth in a perpetual state of darkness (hence Midnight).
I think we would fight with everyone in Midnight. I mean, we can be in the middle of the huge conflict and don't choose sides, just defending our planet and our lives, fighting against forces of the void, the order and the light at the same time.
If you look at it the titans do the exact same shit as the old gods/void lords the ONLY difference is the color ones yellow the others are purple 😂 They all lie. They all brainwash. They want Azeroth for themselves. No faction has qualms about destroying all life on the planet. Plus with the “giant conspiracy” in last titan I think it’ll be proven that the titans are just as bad as the void
Blizzard is at least getting better at "Show don't tell" but it takes longer to get a payoff in WoW than it does in One Piece. And that is saying something as One Piece is older than WoW
To be fair, Odyn not knowing about the Chamber of Heart makes sense when the very creators of the Game are making it up as they go along. I mean look at Dragonflight, nothing of War of the Scaleborn is in and the book can be skipped and it wouldn't affect how you play the Game.
You're ignoring Alagons speech where he states he's wiped life and reset worlds before. This implies the Titans tend to setup similar facilities on either any word they reach or certainty worlds containing a world soul. There isn't anything special about Azeroth when it comes to the Halls of Origination and part of the Ulduar complex.
I like Pyro's theory. Sargeras was actually extracting Argus' pure destruction energy to reunite it with Azeroth...by injecting it straight into her heart. The heart chamber. The synthesis of raw creation and destruction produces Azerite, the most powerful material in the universe because it IS the universe. It's the beginning and the end made into solid bricks. This is Azeroth's true, reunified essence, and key to waking her up.
Xal'atath -> remove 't', reorder letters -> Axalath -> 'x' in Xal'atath is read like 'z' -> Azalath -> l and r are closely connected in many languages -> Azarath -> replace some vowels -> Azeroth. Xal'atath is Azeroth, confirmed.
Hey Bell, I'm not sure if you've done a video on this yet or not, but I saw recently from Pyromancer that Sargeras was dominated (runes on his sword & armor). I'd love to get your take on it, especially with the speculation regarding this video & why Sargeras stabbed where he did.
@@francescoporcari8597 Sargeras and his sword full of domination runes on literally every picture you can find about him, SL showed exactly how domination works with Anduin, they looking the same = groundless speculations 🤣🤣He has some questionable (but interesting) stuff like old gods being part of Argus (thats why Argus' head is incomplete in the game) but I recommend to tune into his stream once at least.
@@951001ify I've tuned to his channel, hence why I'm talking about his theories. You get that runes are simply a method to attach some kind of magic (any kind of magic, not just domination) to an object. Here is some example, that literally have nothing to do with Order, Titan or Domination magic. The runes on the orc blademaster's weapons, the runes in Shadowmoon burial grounds in alternate draenor, the runes on the Black Empire obelisk in the Assaults, the warding rune created by blackamithers, we used fel runes to help Rittsyn Flamescowl in Legion. So the whole point for Runes to be a prove of Domination/Order magic doesn't exist. The runes on sargeras armour are fel runes, or maybe Glyphs, they really look alike. In addition look at season of discovery: the runes are the way to learn new spells/ability for every race regardless of the element/school of magic.
Isnt dementius the void lord manifestation we kill back in BC, the one who took out the ethereal home world?..... so perhaps really was a void lord and we just smacked around a very small chunk of his manifested "Avatar" form?... Are we actually going to get some story out of the ethereals after all these years?
Didn't understand much of this unfortunately. I have no grasp who all the characters are in this video, and in what history of Wow they are part of. Have Belular done a full recap of the story of wow?
Blizzard story the last 15 years "Ok that was dump, lets make it even dumber the next expansion" Legion was really the only one that stood out in all those years.
Sargeras is not being of order ... not anymore. He was, eons ago ... but as he consumed Fel, it changed him ... just as it later changed Archimonde and Kil'jaeden ... No matter what they started as, now theey are demons ... beings of Chaos.
Has it ever occurred to you that Algalon did not describe any events conducted by the Titans of the pantheon? He said he saw many planets "bathed in the maker's flames" and their lives ended. That's not what the reorigination device does, nor have we ever seen any evidence that it ever happened anywhere. Aggramar did not burn or reoriginate Draenor. Aman'thul never burned or reoriginated Azeroth. Are you entirely sure Algalon wasn't referring to Sargeras in the planets bathed in flame that he saw? Sargeras is the only being we know that has bathed multiple worlds in flames to end all life on them. How do you know that Sargeras wasn't ordering Algalon to burn thousands of worlds.... or doing it himself and having Algalon be an unwitting observer to such events? Not a single one of the titan Keepers in Ulduar ever tells us that reorigination should happen, or would be a good idea. Not a one of them ever tells us they think we do not deserve to live.
Sargeras will end up as the good guy bathed in enemy propaganda. How you dont see this is crazy. Azeroth is not a good soul lol. No one has caused more death on the world of Azeroth than azeroth herself.
Nah I think she was starting to wake up thanks to Deathwing almost breaking the planet. Even the Elemental Lord of Earth on Draenor was afraid of the rupture DW was causing, because it according to the Elemental Lord the same thing that happened on Draenor was going to happen on Azeroth
imagine if N'zoth is just lying in wait for us to reach a point in the story where we need to push back against the titans and he literally just shows up and proposes a middle ground, to us the player as his "devoted chosen" that we will be forced to accept. A middle ground to what exactly? well could be the middle ground N'zoth wants it to be due to his foresight. but also at the time it would appear to be the middle ground between what we want and what the titans want and with the help from N'zoth and the void the titans get forced to back off somehow. But ofc unknowing to us we're just playing exactly into N'zoths tentacles.
I wonder if the titans can be considered one of those things that had a lot of potential but they were wasted like for example with Algalon and other things related to them , they seemed like a truly god level menace as if God was truly coming but then when Legion came we saw that they were all dead and weak basically
Well, they were defeated by Sargeras himself! I do appreciate the fact that given the fact they lost their physical bodies, we the mortals don't have anyone watching over us and protecting us from the void. It feels like we have responsability. They were never a threat, and the Titans=villainous order nazi is just head canon. We might have disagreed with them but we share most of their goals. The fact is that they have diminushed the importance ("power level") of the keepers (Odyn vs Vyranoth) making the Titans presence weak.
@@francescoporcari8597 Yes but before Legion , they seemed to be like a huge god level threat like as if God was literally coming to judge us like their arrival would be the Judgement day of WOW considering how they were described by Algalon and other keepers
@@lazlonazario2499 Well, I never felt them as a threat as long as we keep Azeroth's enemy at bay. It has always felt like being in the trenches of a battlefield, knowing that in case the field is lost the general would drop the atomic bomb. Our fate has always been in our hands, knowing that if the Titans had to intervene it meant we have already been screwed.
@@lazlonazario2499 no, because as I said, if they have to jump in, it means we have already been screwed. They are not there to save us, but incidently their enemies are our enemies, and so part of our purposes and goals overlap.
old god already DID corrupt the azeroth, what we hear is azeroth, but the already corrupted one. sargi tried to stab her cause shes already corrupted, we will try to heal her and cleanse her from said corruption.
all jokes to the side the reason why he attack Azeroth because aq40 had a lot of bugs in it that was very simple and that was the best place to destroy lol but it is also destroying Azeroth
my theory is that. in the greatest showdown of all wow history: the void wins. and the wow servers go silent forever. it would be funny that all that buildup over the jears is for if the project gets canceled
all i know is since hearing the expansion name "the final titan", i'm not completely convinced no titan fell in silithus, as told in "the prophecy of c'thun". i know chronicle says it isn't true, but...
It blows my mind that wow has so much lore potential in storytelling, and yet they just keep rolling out garbage writings like BFA or dragonflight. Really feels like they are messing up on purpose.
while i like the idea of "online coding lessons, trying to solve the problems" idea.. i also know that whatever one comes up with, also is known and shared to a whole bunch of more experienced coders and it will be them benefitting from it... bad voodoo...
He made a couple videos, but so far we can only wait and hope for the best. Former CoD president became Blizzard's new president. A lot of people got laid off, and, apparently, they're trying to consolidate the safe franchises. That is, no more new IPs but a shit ton of spinoffs and multi media expansions to Warcraft, Diablo, Overwatch, etc.
Sarg was dominated when he cut into Argus (planet), Argus' soul got into his blade (just like Uther in SL), he stabbed Azeroth to infuse Argus (back??) into Azeroth's heart so creation and destruction could be together once again, creating Azerite. Galliwix's rod turned into Azerite AFTER this happens. Imo Azeroth is not a titan, "the last titan" is not Azeroth, she is far more powerful than be just a titan. The Titans inprisoned her to use her power unchecked. Last titan could be Sarg himself but simple things like Azeroth being the last titan or the shiny ball whispering to everyone being Azeroth is just waaay too simple, I expect big twists from Metzen.
I much prefer the Titans being what the original chronicals presented them as. The "We help but only to the extent we want to find more of our people." I'll never be a fan of Dragon Flights "Um the titans are actually just as bad as the void cause yeah I think so."
The Titan's not being "good" and beings of absolute order and control is an old concept, NOT something invented in Dragonflight. There were people pointing out early on that Chronicle was only the titan's point of view, not reality. This was long before they had to outright tell people that because people like you couldn't understand it.
Don’t think that is what OP meant. I took it more as the Titans not being good or bad. They are simply looking for other titans and are not overly worried about the ramifications of what that means. DF paints them more as sinister players actively attempting to cause harm for reasons other than searching for other titans. I found them to be better characters as aloof and agnostic to the plight of living things aside from their necessity in bringing other titans to come out. Having them be malignant on the same level as void lords just seems to be for no reason other than having a twist. I was fine with them just being callous.
@@NOLA-vv3sz They weren't even callous, at all. They just seemed to be mysteriously absent during vanilla/bc/wrath/cata ......and then in MoP they finally had Metzen give a reason why they were absent. Being presumed dead is a pretty good explanation for the absence.
@@NOLA-vv3szexactly. Hearing Iridikron say the Titans "poisoned" azeroth and having the ice dragon girl-boss all over Odyn is just cringe and stupid. Yes the Titans aren't good that has never been in question they always had some hidden motive since WOTLK it should have just been kept at "They order worlds so they can create more titans if those worlds become disorderly they purge them with Ulduar's system." That was fine DF constantly saying "Titans le bad maybe?" Just feels spiteful at this point like the team is upset no one has enjoyed the direction they took things with SL so now instead of creating a new story they are just tearing down the old one.
@@bmar192 My fault, it was Terran Gregory in the Deep Dive at Blizzcon2023 (min 3:18) that states that. The substance doesn't matter, the Old Gods are dead.
I subscribe to the idea that Sargaras was aiming for a secret titan facility with his sword but missed. At the end of legion he was taking his time searching for something; if it were obvious where his target is he would've taken action soon after arriving on azeroth. When we found him he wasn't done figuring out the exact location so while being whisked away he stabbed the area of his best guess as a desperate last ditch. It probably didn't help that the sundering shifted the landscape.
Thankfully a being such as sargeras doesn’t use things such as eyesight to find where things are.
He can sense things with magic far beyond what our characters could do.
@@Zeph914 Not really relevant for anything in the comment you are replying too.
Not like the Sundering would have actually mattered, as he never even visited Azeroth in his true form ever before. The problem with Sargeras is that he was absent from the entire Legion expansion, up until the very last part, that the writers never actually wrote. There was a reason why we didn't know what he was doing, because the writers didn't know it either :D
@@Michael-bn1oi Not quite, he was talking about how a being like him should easily find anything magic-related, and the titan facilities have Arcane magic, simple as that. If he really wanted to find something related to the Pantheon, he wouldn't have had much difficulty with it.
Dude theyre not real. Irs a written story
In the Chromie-Quest when we go back to the Black Empire, N'zoth basically told us the premise of the War Within: "You will follow him to the deep places. The dark waters will flow in his wake." and "With many eyes they will see again. They will drink and be uplifted." - An expansion underground and Nerubians. What is interesting for me is that he (yet again) had quite precise whispers about events after his death. Which means, he could have easily prevented it. And he did not even know about the Harbinger, he included her in his plans.
I would not be surprised to find a certain dagger whispering to me about how I definitely should have killed Sylvanas when I had the chance, is all I'm saying, really.
N'Zoth didn't die, they very clearly showed wrathion uploading the mind of N'Zoth into the dagger, and then the dagger was missing.
@@laertesindeed Yeah......if N'Zoth actually died, then The Darkmoon Faire would have ceased to exist! I should know, my MC is literally a carnie that actually works directly under Silas Darkmoon himself! Don't worry folks, according to the "Emperor of Freaks" himself, N'Zoth is still alive and well!
When he made his deal with Xal'atath, N'zoth said "Go. But the blade must remain to serve my will."
I think the the blade was somehow used to guide us to Nazjatar, but was that really all it accomplished for N'zoth? I hope not.
I mean we really should've killed Sylvanas as soon as we had the chance. I have personally advocated for that since Cataclysm!
Yeah uhm.. I would like to uhm.., forget that uhm… Chromie exists
Study the blood. It holds the answer you seek.
You hear of this dude name pyromancer, he say’s stuff like…
Oh…..
OH, well super glad to have your voice back in the theory crafting. Watched you from your warlock vids, even tried FF because of your enthusiasm. Keep it up bud. Your angles make for some good brain chews.
You are wrong in many of your conclusions, especially regarding runes.
Your worst take is to consider cosmic forces as factions, or organisations, or even an item that indicates a common goal.
@@francescoporcari8597 are titans not creation given form? Aren’t they literally made from the universe itself?
We certainly see each force presented to us in game as factions of that force, with each common goal to claim Azeroth, or rather “champions” of each represented force trying to.
You say, not specifying what's wrong or giving any counterpoints. How can you know that someone's wrong about what's going to happen in a story that hasn't even been written yet? Bellular literally just makes stuff up most of the time, but I don't see you criticizing him for being wrong?@@francescoporcari8597
i haven't played retail in the longest time, its always nice getting caught back up to speed on lore watching your videos. it might be an okay time to come back for WoWs 20th :)
Another thing to note is how Void Elves also seem to be more connected to the Cosmic Void than the traditional Void we all know and love. Just look at their Heritage Armor.
The main gripe I have is they constantly give vague descriptions of these "unimaginable horrors" that the Void lords will inflict without ever really revealing anything, to the point where their supposed threat have no weight behind them. What exactly did Sargaeras see that made him so afraid? What did Murozond see? These never get addressed and are left unanswered for decades.
Neither saw shit
Sargeras panicked because he was driven crazy by Nathrezim and the inaction of the Pantheon.
Murozond can’t see past beyond his own death and is something that should never have happened
It's called anticipation.
It's better that way, the unknown is more terrifying. Now that you saw the Shadowlands, it's not as scary now, is it? I even hate the damn place now.
I mean the Old Gods don't seem particularly....kind and almost every interaction with the void leaves one mad and mutated. so im gonna go with Void bad people.
@@Bigmike1717please no politics
"500,000 Years ago" what? The oldest known relic we have of the Black Empire is carbon dated to 150,000 years old - nothing we know of is 500,000 years old. I was hoping you were going to expand upon that seemingly arbitrary number in the thumbnail, lol
Minor correction: The Old gods would never see eye to eye with anyone. They’d see eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to eye to…..
Wait I lost count….
I can't seem to find the quote right now, but somebody a while back (I think Brann or simply a narrator of a book talking about the Explorer's League) said something about not knowing what kind of evil the sword of Sargeras had disturbed deep below Silithus. Essentially, I think the sword might've hit something deep below, and Xal'atath might be gathering its blood.
Yeah C’thuun is buried there where the sword struck. I always thought the “Azerite” was actually his blood. If you look at Saronite the ore we mined in wrath it was Yog’sarons blood. The quote “the king of diamonds has been made a pawn” made me think Magni told us it was Azeroth’s blood without knowing it was actually C’thuuns but I guess that didn’t pan out lol
talking about "the goat" in the beginning, reminded me of some of the wispers from the toy "puzzle box of Yogg Saron" - that I never truly understood what they were hinting at, only maybe a bit into the direction of N'Zoth/Cthulhu...
Its 100% this. Sargeras tryed to destroy the prison titans put around Azeroth, he wanted to free Azeroth so she could awaken and banish the void, light, fel and Arcane from Reality
Thanks for the sponsorship portion of the video. Actually got it and learning new code for work.
What Sword?
Gorribal
What color's your sword?
if the horrors are unimaginable I don't think the WoW designers have it in them to imagine them.
You have never read HP Lovecraft, have you?
I really want to know how the hell did someone think to bring some flavor transmog to a random orc in silithus. 🤣
bro i have pyromancer with his theories coming back, now belluar is bringing them out now!
ooooo this is gonna be a great year
Pyromancer's theory are much more far fetched than what Bell is saying.
And the fact is the Twilight Hermit, although redeemed, speaks from a not exactly neutral pov.
@@francescoporcari8597 oh im fine with his being more far fetched, kind of makes lore speculation more fun lol
@@A_Wild_Espeon the important thing is not to take the speculations seriously.
They are little more than fan fiction
@@francescoporcari8597 yeah, just would be cool if blizzard looked more into them lol, plus its just the passion they have for it that gets me :P
@@A_Wild_Espeon indeed 5hey show passion, but I don't know, sometimes they pretend their made up fiction to be (in game) truth.
And I love to play "opinion-fencing" with them.
Doesn't it track that Sargeras was just trying to kill Azeroth outright? I mean, Occum's Razor - If he kills Azeroth, then the Void Lords lose their campaign to infest a powerful Titan. And this is precisely his MO - extinguishing all life so that the Void cannot get a foothold.
Regarding things that changed when Sargeras stabbed the world; I can't help but feel that Ralo'shan the Eternal Watcher is worth looking into. "They say that I am blessed: A herald to harken in a new age. Ancient forces stir - forces that have not been seen or felt for thousands of years. The world weeps, . Perhaps a new sundering comes. A sickness born from within..."
On the PTR, one could see her corpse next to her tower, but it was removed before it hit live, with no explaination. And then, in 7.3.5. PTR she could be found alive again. I can't help but feel like we've not seen the last of her. She was there during the War of the Shifting Sands, so perhaps she knows something about Xal'atath that we don't?
**tips fedora** M'thorus
Take your upvote and get out!
The Titans wanting to eradicate all life makes sense in the context of reversing the curse of flesh
Doesn't make sense at all, the Titans specifically made life and defended life and made systems that would guarantee that life would flourish. They literally explained that they never made any stone or metal constructs "UNTIL" they realized they needed something that could resist old god whispers to defeat and imprison those old gods. Then they made their titankeepers and watchers and earthen etc..... the goal of the ordering was "NEVER" to make stone golems and then call it done. The constructs were a plan B to get back to their goals.
@@laertesindeedexactly
@@laertesindeedis this new lore or something? Because I thought it was always that Titans created titanforged after they discovered Azeroth which had Black Empire on it
@@Sodys_eyy Not new lore at all, it was the original lore. Go read the vanilla sources. And the wrath sources. They showed up, saw the old god corruption... tried to pull one out, that failed because of the consequences. So they needed to do it the hard way and make some stone and metal constructs that could resist the old god whispers and individually combat the old gods down there on the surface hopefully without damaging the planet. That was the titan keepers and watchers and earthen etc. They were literally a plan B, the life was plan A. They used plan B to get the old gods out of the way so that they could go back to plan A. Which they did.
@@laertesindeedThe lore has been veering off from life, but more is attached to constructs, since it's Freya that is concerned with life. Life is inherently chaotic, best kind of order is machines, wherein they will only move limited to their programming.
One thing that bothers me about the N'Zoth angle from approx 15:00 onwards:
At Blizzcon, Metzen explicitly stated that the Old Gods are dead....
This is something people seems to forget.
There's no more room for "we killed only a fraction of them" "that was an Avatar".
Maybe they can preserve their mind/soul/Identity without a physical body. But their physicale existence on the reality plan is gone for sure.
What people forget is that the old gods have never manifested 100% of their selves into our world. So as long as there is a tiny piece somewhere they will continue to exist.
It’s like we chopped off the tentacle of a kraken and expected it to die.
That is not dead which can eternal lie, in strange eons even death may die.
@@vorben7826 love the Lovecraft reference, but it doesn't fit with Wow😀
@@Zeph914 the deep dive panel at Blizzcon said: Old Gods are dead and we killed them.
I just wonder, if Azeroth would awake once, what next? It seems like end of story. Will be Azeroth still active and habitable, how will we communicate with our titan, will she be corrupted or help us anyhow. I'm wondering where the story of Azeroth would go. Will we need to move out to another planet because it would die without the soul inside and Azeroth would work only through bronze dragons? I don't know
Sword video. Yes plz. As a player ive always been obsessed with the twilight hammer cult.
A video talking about the War Within?
On my birthday?
Yes please!
Happy Birthday! :)
@@GrooveSpaceArk Thank you!
Honest question: if you STILL have the gift of Nzoth buff from waaayyy back, does it interact at all with the staff, as one touched by shadow?
The problem with this god awful theory "titans sinister plan" aka using azeroth as a battery for their own end, is one simple fact that they had the golden opportunity to do so when they originally found azeroth. Like literally, they could have done what took jailor eons to do, in matter of hrs maybe? And feed off that power however they wished. I really hope blizz think this through very very carefully before implementing a jailor 2.0 crap. They should have never touched the titans lore and instead continued the plot where that god awful SL last raid ending teased. They needed to build up this new threat in DF or at least start laying the foundation of it.
And they are the ones who told Sargeras about the nascent titan. Would be a dumb move
@NOLA-vv3sz technically he was a good guy then, or at least they believed him to be but yea, these sinister beings really didn't work on their ingenious plan. Which is even more preplexing when the leader of the titans is apt at time magic.
There is no sinister plan, the titans are not evil. This is just unreliable content creators doing click bait.
@laertesindeed that is exactly what I believe, too. I'm trying to point out the inconsistencies in these ridiculous theories. However, with the way the lore has been butchered in SL, there is room for concern.
@@bastalam The entirety of BFA/SL/DF are like an entire Unreliable Narrator Saga. None of them make sense, and none of them connect to the actual warcraft lore.
Arcane magic exists everywhere, including in Azeroth, and the Titans don't need to bring it here. There is no ridiculous "showing up and making her be arcane" going on. All titans can use multiple kinds of magic. Including nature and holy and arcane and fire and water and lightning yada yada yada. None of them were ever requiring people turn into arcane elementals or anything. They specifically put systems in place to defend life and make life flourish. The existence of the stone and metal constructs was not the goal of their ordering...... it was literally a plan B because they needed a force that could resist the whispers of old gods while they locked them away; and yes, they needed to be locked away because of the fact we all know about what happens if you just rip one out.
We need to go back to what the original lore was; namely that Titans were trying to find more of their own kind and weren't entirely sure how it happened. Aman'thul may have been of the opinion that titans were just some rare default in the universe because of the clash of light and void so that all he needed to find more world souls was to keep looking. Eonar may have been of the opinion that titans were the result of there being enough life and complex life on a world to mysteriously magically manifest a world soul so that all she needed to do was grow as much complex life as she could on every world they found hoping that complexity would make a titan. Whereas Norgannon may have been of the opinion that some previous civilization had been responsible for the existence of magic and that the magic was what created world souls and allowed them to be titans so if he wanted more titan friends he would have to create and defend and empower as many mortal civilizations on every planet they found....hoping one of those civilizations would understand magic well enough to manifest a new titan. They could have all had such different opinions.....but still work together looking for new planets and ordering them to have life and civilizations and magic that flourishes because none of them is entirely sure which method is the correct one for finding more titans, if any.
@Bellular, Dont know if you talked about this, frankly i dont remember such episode, but you should really check out what Verimathras says when you meet him in Antorus. He pretty much talks Xal'atath about the heart of Azeroth and about betrayal in the alliance.
This sounds exciting. Let’s hope the execute and story tell it well despite the layoffs.
Azeroth is the only hope. Sargeras has realized this. The Cosmos has already been Ordered. Sargeras has broken the prison. Fyrakk has broken the dream.
Sargeras stole Argus. The Titan's greatest experiment. Sargeras sent a world soul to the Void. The Primus is in league with the Titans. The Runes speak the truth, the Runes show the way.
The Runes are just a way to attach magic (any kind of magic) to an object.
Not all the runes are related to domination or order magic.
The Orcs blademaster's weapons carry runes as well as Sargeras pauldrons, shadowmoon burial grounds, even in the shots from the Assaults you can see Black Empire obelisks covered in runes.
Pyromancer is building speculations on other speculations on slight hints, ending up being too far fetching and so groundless in his conclusions.
@@francescoporcari8597 Yes you are correct. 🙂
Also yes he does, it is interesting the way his mind seems to work with his ideas but they're all speculation & to be taken with a grain of salt.
As are my own which go against his.
"The big stab." Thank you for a smile!
Like pyromancer said, I think Sargeras wanted to help free Azeroth from the prison of the titans. Those concentric spinning circles we see in many representations of Azeroths globe? Two of them are shown broken after Sargeras hit Azeroth with the blade. The same circle prisons with the same runes that the titans used to imprison the primal incarnates.
Sargeras wanted to help free Azeroth from the prison and we goofed it.
heya i just had a theory and idk if people will reply BUT : when you start the algalon encounter one of the phrases sayd is that the lifeform itself is corrupted / and its defense also : what if anything alive is seen as defense , and the world soul itself if corrupted => the message was never send to the pantheon so they never would have know the world soul is corrupted , the only worry they had was sargaras . it would also explain why the elements are so focused on azeroth knowing there history with old gods ,
so what if the war within has been going on for longer then we think and the real void has been preparing ,
Sargeras stabbed Azeroth's Titan prison.
I wonder what the stats on that sword are. Must be crazy. Made out of some special Titan energy.
Here is another theory, what if the reason the voices stopped wasn't because sargaras killed something but, due to his haste to strike before he could be capture he hit something else causing the source of the whispers to suddenly devise a new more prosperous plan in other words the sword stab actually back fired and made it easier for the old gods to reach Azeroth.
Personally I think the titans are more interested in stealing Azeroth's power through some method, just keeping the goose safe...for now.
They would have taken it by now.
@@TheRemulosEpsolonProgramme Have you not heard the story the 'goose' is a reference to?
Why not use her when they originally came to azeroth? If it's power they want, then what would it matter if she was almost tainted or not. Jailor didn't care and just siphoned power, so why would they wait? This is the problem when they care not about previous lore and just go about some far off unhinged tangent so progress the story.
@@bastalam How do you know they haven't been siphoning her power since they came to Azeroth?
If you find a generator of infinite power, do you harness it and generate infinite power, or do you crack it open to look for what's generating it and risk losing it entirely?
@TaliesinMyrddin how do I know? Easy... why did they leave azeroth? You just leave your best source of power and yeet off to no where cause? Mind you this said power can pretty much power up reality ending machine. Why would they ever leave it be.
Do you know where and how they were prior to legion expac? So they are apparently these ingenious sinister beings yet just leave and get defeated and turn to essence form for millenias..... 😐😒
Im just fascinated how they connect the lore and barely known segments from books and stuff all the way back from older expansions and never forget.😅
Its the same old cliche that writers use as in they create a lore and they add characters and events together to put together an intricate web that they can reference back and forth as they add more things....due this the right way and you`ll have and endless evolving story....
Just going to throw something out there which turns this all on its head.
If Azeroth is Creation or the Maker (Mother), snd Argus is the Unmaker wouldn't they essentially the opposing force that keeps each of them in check? Life - Death, Order - Disorder, and Light - Shadow (Void) each has an opposing force that is directly designed to be the counter to the other in essence to form a means for Cosmic Balance.
So Azeroth and Argus actually have a connection they need each other or more importantly they need contact with each other as they essentially are the means by which they can be restored or cleansed of any external tampering. For example lets say Azeroth is corrupted by a mix of Void(Shadow) and Arcane (Order), then Argus provided he was in her proximity been able to Unmake/Purge/Cleanse Azeroth and return her back to her original state.
However, the Titan Pantheon has tampered with this natural order to ensure that they 'Order' everything, and the key thing to note about the Titan Pantheon is that they refuse to accept Death all their Titanforged were created to never die. The 'Curse of Flesh' might have caused some issues but they isolated Decay which links with Death, i.e Decay is the opposite of Spirit (Life & Death). Instead the Shadowlands is a realm which clearly isn't a construct of Decay instead it is clearly a construct of Spirit hence the reason for the whole Anima aspect of Shadowland Anima = Spirit and if Spirit is connected with Life, then Anima is logically connected with Life and not Death. This is the means by which the Titan Pantheon Ordered Azeroth to isolate and remove Death and Decay as they are outliers for their perfect ordering of Azeroth. Clearly they are unable to prevent Death and Decay from leaking through and causing issues in various locations; for example the Drust are most definitely an incursion of actual Decay and Death on to the Titans Ordered Design.
Now that you understand the correlation between Azeroth and Argus consider the fact that the Titans understood the connection between these two so new they had to separate them making it so they are far enough apart that they are unable to cleanse each other. So the do two things they push Argus out into the Twisting Nether while they additionally cloak Azeroth in a Shroud which cloaks and obscures Azeroth and with Argus floating within the Twisting Nether clearly they would be lost having no idea where Argus is it would try to reach out for Azeroth. If Azeroth wasn't shrouded it is possible the Argus might be able to perceive Azeroth's location and return to her however, as she is cloaked he is unable to find her so he finds himself wandering aimlessly through the twisting nether mourning the loss of his connection with Azeroth. (Go back and listen/read the whole Alleria dialogue where she talks about the lost World Soul and the feelings she gets from it...that's Argus...)
Hopefully this is all making sense but here is the part that might blow peoples minds...so if you take the Tauren story of creation with the Earth Mother it's clearly a reimagining of Azeroth. However, in that story there is the addition of two other entities M'usha and A'nshe these are essentially the Moon (M'usha) and the Sun (A'nshe). Now if we understand that the concept of the Moon of Azeroth is actually Elune then clearly she is M'usha. The problem is with A'nshe as the entity is lost or missing and there is no information about what happened to him, the Sun that Azeroth has currently is something that is made by the Titan Pantheon to form as a quazi replacement that clearly lacks the actual power that A'nshe would have had.
So what happened with A'nshe? Azeroth clearly shares a bond or strong connection with Elune the two are entwined if you like however, A'nshe isn't like Azeroth his energy in bodies cleansing through the fires of creation which in turn clearly is a link with Unmaking. So A'nshe shares a bond or strong connection with Argus meaning that these two are entwined, this means that A'nshe would have followed or might have been pulled out in to the twisting nether through is connection to Argus. This is why A'nshe is lost from Azeroth iit was pulled away to the twisting nether with Argus.
SO WHO IS A'NSHE? An'she is clearly SARGAROS who was originally controlled (Dominated) by the Titan Pantheon. However, through his time in the twisting nether and the affect that Argus has in terms of being there as well Sargaros overtime he frees himself from the domination and returns to an aspect of his true former self....the FLAMING TITAN (I.E. THE SUN TITAN). However, he clearly also has been impacted by his time in the Twisting Nether as his mind can't be fully restored i.e the MADNESS he clearly knows that he has some kind of special connection with Argus and Azeroth but, is unable to fully understand why? In essence A'nshe is gone lost to the Twisting Nether and Madness it's this that creates the entity that we know as Sargaros the Dark Titan now.
Okay so if you understand all of that then what was the reason that Sargaros stabbed his sword in to Azeroth? we know that his sword is something like a mourneblade which is a weapon that is capable of splitting souls. When a mourneblade is used to kill someone it splits their soul and takes part of that soul in to the blade as form of empowerment or feeding if you like of the entity that is imprisoned within the weapon (it's intelligence). The other part of the soul travels to it's usual location but it is not complete it is missing part of itself so it clearly would be suffering. So what happened when Sargaros cleaved Argus? His Sword would have absorbed part of Argus's essence into itself while the rest would have been the fractured remains of his essence. This is why Argus was suffering at the hands of the Titan Pantheon the essence they had captured and imprisoned was a fractured part of Argus that was already suffering greatly due to the Soul Splitting.
So now that we know that Sargaros's sword clearly had part of Argus's essence that it absorbed. What if Sargaros is actually stabbing Azeroth aiming for the Chamber of the Heart specifically while using his control over his sword to release the trapped partial essence of Argus into Azeroth.
Think about it... SARGAROS IS GIVING AZEROTH A PART OF ARGUS SO THAT SHE CAN BE CLEANSED... remove the cosmic taint that has been imposed on her by the Titan Pantheon and the Old Gods...while I don't think it is enough to fully cleanse Azeroth it is clearly enough to awaken her and bring her back from her ordered slumber, everything changes with the Sword...it's the catalyst that awakens her etc. so SARGAROS is on our side in a way but, his nature is that of purging creation through fire etc... this is why he originally was against life on Azeroth is was an aspect of his fiery cleansing.
Just something to throw out there that might make many people rethink everything....and gives meaning to why the Titan Pantheon who wants to eradicate the concept of Decay and Death as for them it is all about Life and only Life. This is why they manipulated the players in to killing Argus in Antorus they needed the players to help them to remove the aspect of Unmaking which has some connection with Death clearly so that it won't be an issue they needed to deal with any longer. However, they were unaware that Sargaros still had a part of Argus in his sword; the Titan Pantheon assumed that when we killed Argus it would have prevented any possible link to Azeroth that might have restored her undoing their ordered control over the Azeroth but there was a part of Argus left behind that they weren't aware of.
If I had to hazard a guess; Xal'atath somehow manages to get what she wanted in the war within and engulf Azeroth in a perpetual state of darkness (hence Midnight).
I think we would fight with everyone in Midnight. I mean, we can be in the middle of the huge conflict and don't choose sides, just defending our planet and our lives, fighting against forces of the void, the order and the light at the same time.
I think that may very well be the case personally. As a matter of fact I believe Iridikron is counting on that being the case.
If you look at it the titans do the exact same shit as the old gods/void lords the ONLY difference is the color ones yellow the others are purple 😂 They all lie. They all brainwash. They want Azeroth for themselves. No faction has qualms about destroying all life on the planet. Plus with the “giant conspiracy” in last titan I think it’ll be proven that the titans are just as bad as the void
Blizzard is at least getting better at "Show don't tell" but it takes longer to get a payoff in WoW than it does in One Piece. And that is saying something as One Piece is older than WoW
To be fair, Odyn not knowing about the Chamber of Heart makes sense when the very creators of the Game are making it up as they go along. I mean look at Dragonflight, nothing of War of the Scaleborn is in and the book can be skipped and it wouldn't affect how you play the Game.
You're ignoring Alagons speech where he states he's wiped life and reset worlds before. This implies the Titans tend to setup similar facilities on either any word they reach or certainty worlds containing a world soul. There isn't anything special about Azeroth when it comes to the Halls of Origination and part of the Ulduar complex.
Right when I spend time playing and thinking to myself if there's been any updates
Yogg-Saron is likely got his own death related plans in play
I like Pyro's theory. Sargeras was actually extracting Argus' pure destruction energy to reunite it with Azeroth...by injecting it straight into her heart. The heart chamber. The synthesis of raw creation and destruction produces Azerite, the most powerful material in the universe because it IS the universe. It's the beginning and the end made into solid bricks. This is Azeroth's true, reunified essence, and key to waking her up.
I just hope Yogg Saron is still around. He's my favourite old god.
Xal'atath -> remove 't', reorder letters -> Axalath -> 'x' in Xal'atath is read like 'z' -> Azalath -> l and r are closely connected in many languages -> Azarath -> replace some vowels -> Azeroth.
Xal'atath is Azeroth, confirmed.
could be that "Xal'atath" is what the void refers to as Azeroth as well.
Personally I think Iridirockstonedude is a good villain and will have his stage and lights… but ultimately, I think he’s being played. By who? Dunno
Hey Bell, I'm not sure if you've done a video on this yet or not, but I saw recently from Pyromancer that Sargeras was dominated (runes on his sword & armor). I'd love to get your take on it, especially with the speculation regarding this video & why Sargeras stabbed where he did.
Pyromancer just builds speculation on speculation on minimal hints.
All his construction is basically fragile and groundless
@@francescoporcari8597 Sargeras and his sword full of domination runes on literally every picture you can find about him, SL showed exactly how domination works with Anduin, they looking the same = groundless speculations 🤣🤣He has some questionable (but interesting) stuff like old gods being part of Argus (thats why Argus' head is incomplete in the game) but I recommend to tune into his stream once at least.
@@951001ify I've tuned to his channel, hence why I'm talking about his theories.
You get that runes are simply a method to attach some kind of magic (any kind of magic, not just domination) to an object.
Here is some example, that literally have nothing to do with Order, Titan or Domination magic.
The runes on the orc blademaster's weapons, the runes in Shadowmoon burial grounds in alternate draenor, the runes on the Black Empire obelisk in the Assaults, the warding rune created by blackamithers, we used fel runes to help Rittsyn Flamescowl in Legion.
So the whole point for Runes to be a prove of Domination/Order magic doesn't exist.
The runes on sargeras armour are fel runes, or maybe Glyphs, they really look alike.
In addition look at season of discovery: the runes are the way to learn new spells/ability for every race regardless of the element/school of magic.
Isnt dementius the void lord manifestation we kill back in BC, the one who took out the ethereal home world?..... so perhaps really was a void lord and we just smacked around a very small chunk of his manifested "Avatar" form?... Are we actually going to get some story out of the ethereals after all these years?
Ethereal playable class when??
Didn't understand much of this unfortunately. I have no grasp who all the characters are in this video, and in what history of Wow they are part of. Have Belular done a full recap of the story of wow?
Azeroth was notably not even damaged by the Old Gods when the Titans took over the planet
Blizzard story the last 15 years "Ok that was dump, lets make it even dumber the next expansion"
Legion was really the only one that stood out in all those years.
as soon as he did it i was like 'hes killing cthuns body' he was aiming for cthun or maybe to free him
But Metzen has clearly stated ar Blizzcon that the old gods are dead.
Sargeras is not being of order ... not anymore.
He was, eons ago ... but as he consumed Fel, it changed him ... just as it later changed Archimonde and Kil'jaeden ...
No matter what they started as, now theey are demons ... beings of Chaos.
Has it ever occurred to you that Algalon did not describe any events conducted by the Titans of the pantheon? He said he saw many planets "bathed in the maker's flames" and their lives ended. That's not what the reorigination device does, nor have we ever seen any evidence that it ever happened anywhere. Aggramar did not burn or reoriginate Draenor. Aman'thul never burned or reoriginated Azeroth. Are you entirely sure Algalon wasn't referring to Sargeras in the planets bathed in flame that he saw? Sargeras is the only being we know that has bathed multiple worlds in flames to end all life on them. How do you know that Sargeras wasn't ordering Algalon to burn thousands of worlds.... or doing it himself and having Algalon be an unwitting observer to such events?
Not a single one of the titan Keepers in Ulduar ever tells us that reorigination should happen, or would be a good idea. Not a one of them ever tells us they think we do not deserve to live.
Sargeras will end up as the good guy bathed in enemy propaganda. How you dont see this is crazy. Azeroth is not a good soul lol. No one has caused more death on the world of Azeroth than azeroth herself.
@@jackbower9087 Your reply was nonsense, and of no value whatsoever.
Cthun was near there
if its was fel energy he should green and not red?
Did he maybe transmog it? :)
I always thought that the sword started azeroth waking up
Nah I think she was starting to wake up thanks to Deathwing almost breaking the planet.
Even the Elemental Lord of Earth on Draenor was afraid of the rupture DW was causing, because it according to the Elemental Lord the same thing that happened on Draenor was going to happen on Azeroth
I wish warlock get that cosmic void spells or mage arcane had two lines order and cosmic void in talents
There is no such thing like order magic.
@@francescoporcari8597 arcane is basically order magic read and watch or ask Bellular 😉
nice vid, I like this stuff like the vids Pyromancer posts
It really irritates me that all this stuff is going on, and I have basically zero chance of ever encountering it.
predicting it right now - we team up with iridkron in the last titan to take down the titans
I’d be down for that
He probably target one of old gods location that we dont know.
Good info, thx.
imagine if N'zoth is just lying in wait for us to reach a point in the story where we need to push back against the titans and he literally just shows up and proposes a middle ground, to us the player as his "devoted chosen" that we will be forced to accept. A middle ground to what exactly? well could be the middle ground N'zoth wants it to be due to his foresight. but also at the time it would appear to be the middle ground between what we want and what the titans want and with the help from N'zoth and the void the titans get forced to back off somehow. But ofc unknowing to us we're just playing exactly into N'zoths tentacles.
Metzen at Blizzcon said explicitly: Old Gods are dead.
I wonder if the titans can be considered one of those things that had a lot of potential but they were wasted like for example with Algalon and other things related to them , they seemed like a truly god level menace as if God was truly coming but then when Legion came we saw that they were all dead and weak basically
Well, they were defeated by Sargeras himself!
I do appreciate the fact that given the fact they lost their physical bodies, we the mortals don't have anyone watching over us and protecting us from the void.
It feels like we have responsability.
They were never a threat, and the Titans=villainous order nazi is just head canon. We might have disagreed with them but we share most of their goals.
The fact is that they have diminushed the importance ("power level") of the keepers (Odyn vs Vyranoth) making the Titans presence weak.
@@francescoporcari8597 Yes but before Legion , they seemed to be like a huge god level threat like as if God was literally coming to judge us like their arrival would be the Judgement day of WOW considering how they were described by Algalon and other keepers
@@lazlonazario2499 Well, I never felt them as a threat as long as we keep Azeroth's enemy at bay.
It has always felt like being in the trenches of a battlefield, knowing that in case the field is lost the general would drop the atomic bomb.
Our fate has always been in our hands, knowing that if the Titans had to intervene it meant we have already been screwed.
@@francescoporcari8597 Soo for you they were like that deus ex machina in case everything goes wrong?
@@lazlonazario2499 no, because as I said, if they have to jump in, it means we have already been screwed.
They are not there to save us, but incidently their enemies are our enemies, and so part of our purposes and goals overlap.
How does one make a sword that big? Out of planets?
What sword?
Hoping Blizzard will soon stop the cosmic void stuff and start writing good lore again.
im not really following the logic used at 8:30
gotta flip around these playlists so it's oldest to newest. working up the playlist manually negates the point of a playlist lol
old god already DID corrupt the azeroth, what we hear is azeroth, but the already corrupted one. sargi tried to stab her cause shes already corrupted, we will try to heal her and cleanse her from said corruption.
all jokes to the side the reason why he attack Azeroth because aq40 had a lot of bugs in it that was very simple and that was the best place to destroy lol but it is also destroying Azeroth
"The core of Dragonflight is dumb".. wait what?
has anybody killed Dimensiu with xalatath yet? wonder if there is a unique voiceline.
my theory is that. in the greatest showdown of all wow history:
the void wins. and the wow servers go silent forever.
it would be funny that all that buildup over the jears is for if the project gets canceled
all i know is since hearing the expansion name "the final titan", i'm not completely convinced no titan fell in silithus, as told in "the prophecy of c'thun". i know chronicle says it isn't true, but...
Learn Back-end Programming: boot.dev, and check them out on Boot.dev’s RUclips: @bootdotdev! Use code BELLULAR for 25% off. Sponsored by Boot.dev.
Banger vid
why are mechalife not life?
Long shot but I'm going with N'Zoth as the overall big bad of Warcraft....
Farmed twice
A comment for the titan algorithm.
It blows my mind that wow has so much lore potential in storytelling, and yet they just keep rolling out garbage writings like BFA or dragonflight. Really feels like they are messing up on purpose.
Hmmm so best solution is to kill everybody, void and titans lol
while i like the idea of "online coding lessons, trying to solve the problems" idea.. i also know that whatever one comes up with, also is known and shared to a whole bunch of more experienced coders and it will be them benefitting from it... bad voodoo...
Please make a video covering the blizzard staffing situation for those who haven't managed to keep up with it.
people got laid off the end
He made a couple videos, but so far we can only wait and hope for the best.
Former CoD president became Blizzard's new president. A lot of people got laid off, and, apparently, they're trying to consolidate the safe franchises. That is, no more new IPs but a shit ton of spinoffs and multi media expansions to Warcraft, Diablo, Overwatch, etc.
@@MegatronDconZ which department got laid off, the lore writers?
If the grove warden mount returns. We’re fighting Chris metzen at the airport or the ihop he goes too
this is literally just a repeat of every other video on this new text...
Sarg was dominated when he cut into Argus (planet), Argus' soul got into his blade (just like Uther in SL), he stabbed Azeroth to infuse Argus (back??) into Azeroth's heart so creation and destruction could be together once again, creating Azerite. Galliwix's rod turned into Azerite AFTER this happens.
Imo Azeroth is not a titan, "the last titan" is not Azeroth, she is far more powerful than be just a titan. The Titans inprisoned her to use her power unchecked. Last titan could be Sarg himself but simple things like Azeroth being the last titan or the shiny ball whispering to everyone being Azeroth is just waaay too simple, I expect big twists from Metzen.
I much prefer the Titans being what the original chronicals presented them as. The "We help but only to the extent we want to find more of our people." I'll never be a fan of Dragon Flights "Um the titans are actually just as bad as the void cause yeah I think so."
The Titan's not being "good" and beings of absolute order and control is an old concept, NOT something invented in Dragonflight. There were people pointing out early on that Chronicle was only the titan's point of view, not reality. This was long before they had to outright tell people that because people like you couldn't understand it.
Don’t think that is what OP meant. I took it more as the Titans not being good or bad. They are simply looking for other titans and are not overly worried about the ramifications of what that means. DF paints them more as sinister players actively attempting to cause harm for reasons other than searching for other titans. I found them to be better characters as aloof and agnostic to the plight of living things aside from their necessity in bringing other titans to come out. Having them be malignant on the same level as void lords just seems to be for no reason other than having a twist. I was fine with them just being callous.
@@NOLA-vv3sz They weren't even callous, at all. They just seemed to be mysteriously absent during vanilla/bc/wrath/cata ......and then in MoP they finally had Metzen give a reason why they were absent. Being presumed dead is a pretty good explanation for the absence.
@@Navi_xoo Points of view are still reality. You apparently don't even know how the historical method works with regard to sources.
@@NOLA-vv3szexactly. Hearing Iridikron say the Titans "poisoned" azeroth and having the ice dragon girl-boss all over Odyn is just cringe and stupid. Yes the Titans aren't good that has never been in question they always had some hidden motive since WOTLK it should have just been kept at "They order worlds so they can create more titans if those worlds become disorderly they purge them with Ulduar's system." That was fine DF constantly saying "Titans le bad maybe?" Just feels spiteful at this point like the team is upset no one has enjoyed the direction they took things with SL so now instead of creating a new story they are just tearing down the old one.
Knifeu
Because he needs some kind of content to fill his channel
I don't think you know the "truth" behind the sword. This is a redundant video of what Bellular thinks is the truth...
Algorithm comment
What if the old gods ARE Azeroth, the void side of her that is.
Nope. Impossible, Yogg-Saron's death speech proves that cannot be.... and he hates the planet and wants it to die.
What
Old gods are dead for good, as Metzen himself said.
@@francescoporcari8597 he never said they are dead for good 🙄
@@bmar192 My fault, it was Terran Gregory in the Deep Dive at Blizzcon2023 (min 3:18) that states that.
The substance doesn't matter, the Old Gods are dead.
1st?