This scene JUST MADE IT CANON!! - Acolyte Episode 6
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If the Rule of Two Sith cast off an Apprentice, it meant DEATH.
Plenty of Jedi survived being hunted by the Sith when the Sith ruled the galaxy. I see no reason why a discarded Sith Apprentice couldn't have managed to evade the current Sith Lord when they were still in hiding.
@@Aewon84 A master who would kill his failed apprentice would not leave it to chance, he would kill them IMMEDIATELY. There is no way they could evade or go into hiding.
The new apprentice kills the old one and takes his place ie Luke and vader
I don't think they looked at what happened when Sidious found out about Maul and his brother trying to become sith themselves they don't just outcast people during the rule of two.
@@OrangeHatReviewslmao there is always a way. See Ventress.
I think Qimir is actually quite a lot older then we think and used to be Vernestras padawan, the scar on his back is indicative of a whip like her lightsaber
Same
Yep
I agree-giving Vernestras a bigger role would be awful for the show but make sense given the relationship to who hired her.
I think this too. I think he could be trained by plagueis but I think that whip is from a certain Jedi master
Yep yep exactly
I think it was vernestra who gave qimir that scar on his back.
Exactly! Looks like a whipping to me
That scar on the strangers back looks like it might have been caused by a light whip? The green jedi seems to have a hunch as to who killed all those jedi.
This. It could also go a long way to explaining the less than adequate acting.
That's my take, the green jedi definitely left that mark on his back it's the only reason she showed off her whippy light sabre
Yea I think I was Master Venestra too with her Light whip
remember when light sabers could cut anything on contact?
Might not be Ahch-To, but they're on the planet Hawk-Tuah.
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I think it's Bal'Demnic because of what looked like a vein of cortosis ore in the cave where Osha put on the helmet
Damn that thing!
You think she spitting on that thang?
Qimir got the scar from his previous jedi master, the green lady. It's 10000% a scar from a whip
That might not be the case verbestra is part of the canon high republic novels (and is quite different from the show) cuz she is like 100+ years old she was not a horrible person she genuinely cared for the jedi andthe republic so idk really
@@Vihaan-hl3lp it definitely looks like a scar from a whip lol, we'll see soon enough
@@KingKeno777 it does, I do think the wip would have cut him in half tho and it's not in her (novels) character to slice someone but leave them alive
Why does everyone call Vernestra Rwoh "that green lady"? Is it really that hard to remember her name?
The planet is Bal'demnic... where Plagueis killed Tenebrous in the cortosis mine. Qimir lives in a cortosis mine... and the description of the ocean / rocky planet from the Plagueis novel.
@@mykotron I kept debating whether or not it was Ahch-To from the Sequel Trilogy. Thanks for revealing the name.
@EntertainmentFan11 If it was achto there would've been porgs. I think they deliberately showed a new bird species to indicate it's somewhere else
Yes they showed us it’s a cortosis mine.
@@eungaanglee524 Hence me debating whether it was that or some other island planet.
Darth tenebrous species is bith, and Plagueis is a muune
Darth Tenebrous died in a cortosis mine. When they get to the mine Plagueis asks him where did you find the location of this mine and Tenebrous says "it's of no effect." I think it all ties in and Tenebrous was obsessed with cortosis and discarded Qimir
Well first off the book unfortunately is not canonical. Tenebrous could have died in any different way
Hes the fallen apprentice of the green jedi,(cant spell her name) its confirmed online he was trained at 14 no wonder he fell his name is online too
@@Badblood226 ehm actually Tenebrous isn't canon so his name might be really be Bob or Teddy🤓
@@Badblood226 I know it isn't. But that book is by far my favorite Star wars anything ever created. If they retcon it I'm going over to Dune
@@stevena.7022 nah the name Darth tenebrous is canon
Wouldn’t it work better if it was Tenebrous? Plagueis would be around a teenager at this time?
well you clearly didnt watch the video lol
@@FancierSoap it would make more sense if it wasn't plagueis simply because we know how old palpatine is and him not finding a better apprentice in 80 years is a bit much
All they would have to say is that muuns live longer (people already live considerably longer with the dark side anyway)
Yup hes been discarded by Tenebrous. Or maybe discarded by Plagueis after using Qimir to help kill Tenebrous
He didn't say the helmet blocks the force he said it dulls the senses so it helps you focus on the force
Consider that the scar on Smilo's back looks as if it could be from a whip. And we do know that there's a green Jedi who wields one! ⚡
"The power of two restores the one true Emperor." I IMMEDIATELY thought of that line when Qimir said the "power of two".
LMFAO. Cringe
What about what was said by the witches?
I thought “THE POWER OF MANYYYYYYYYYY”
Somehow... Palpatine returned
I thought, "The power of Manny's DingDong"😂
It could also be Venamis, he had six apprentices, Plageuis killed 3 and the other 3 had different fates.
Exactly
I vote Venamis, mainly because Plagueis amd Palpatine later used him to experiment on, for decades
Tenebrous is still alive. Plagues was using kimir to over throw Tenebrous. Maybe the same senario happened to kimir.
You know, for Legends being not Canon they seem to be using Legends lore quite abit
Its source material the same way the MCU draws from the comics
Qimir is a castoff Acolyte of Tenebrous and Plagueis, who wants to start his own Rule of Two by becoming a "master" without ever having become a Master. You know, like Anakin and Ahsoka...
Darth Venamis is still in play during the Acolyte.
Like anakin and Ahsoka? Do you just not know how Padawans work?
@@AmongRevenants Eh, not really. I know they can change "canon" of Legends material if they want, but Venamis was a Bith (not a human). I know his birth isn't known, but it's assumed to be "prior to 75 BBY". The Acolyte show happens 100 years before the Phantom Menace, so around 132 BBY.
Since going back to check my Legends dates and Sith lineage, I've changed my mind about Qimir. I don't think he's the cast off acolyte of Tenebrous and Plagueis. Tenebrous was born sometime between 247-167 BBY. But there is no Legends or Canon lore as to who Tenebrous' Master was, other than he was a Twi'lek. Wooki places his death between 167-124 BBY, and says that him and Tenebrous caused a hole in the Force that made the Jedi feel the Darkside "for the first time in over 8 centuries after the final battle of the New Sith Wars." If the Acolyte show is in 132 BBY, that's 868 years after the last battle of the New Sith Wars (1000 BBY). But in the show the Jedi have not felt the hole in the Force yet. A side note prediction.... My guess is the canonize the "hole in the Force" as what ends the High Republic Era completely. For it to happen 899 years after the last New Sith War battle, it has to happen by 101 BBY. If they wanted to hardnose canonize it, they'd place the ritual they do at the Twi'lek's death, say 8 years after the Acolyte current season.
If Lesly is staying true to the Plagueis novel (which I believe she has mentioned she drew from), and Qimir is over 100 years old, he should either be the Acolyte of Tenebrous and his unnamed Twi'lek Master, or the first apprentice before Tenebrous. Lesly has said there are two Sith we see in season 1, so we'll know in a couple weeks if she is canonizing the Plagueis novel. We already suspect the "unkown planet" is the one mentioned in the Plagueis novel, my guess is Tenebrous (as an apprentice) first discovers the planet (and cortosis ore) when he finds Qimir there in episode 8.
@@AmongRevenants sorry about the long reply, was working through it as I typed. 🤣
@@BluhmGardens Thanks for laying the timeline and details out like that.
Can't wait for the last two to drop. And we know the actor who plays the martin manhunter has yet to make an appearance.
We still haven’t seen Qimir’s face. He introduced himself in a mask, and he had another underneath.
This seems to be the planet that Darth Tenebrous will die on
Good point!
Are you saying that just because cortosis is on the planet?
@@DSplatter 🤔 well Bal'demnic had an extremely harsh climate, so harsh that Darth Tenebrous and Darth Plagueis had to use breathing apparatus and the native species was not very friendly. having said that Disney doesn't give a 💩 about all that and will just take what they want and make a garbage show like the acolyte🤦🏻♂️ if I could recommend one thing it would be to read the book Darth Plagueis. it's possibly the best star wars book out there. This Acolyte show is apparently trying to show thing from the sith point of view well Palpatine in the movies showed more about the sith then this dog 💩 of a show called the acolyte. The darth Plagueis book does that about 1million times better and in depth. 😮💨
@@grumpyoldmenshayestehroo2711 out o
Out of curiosity, did you watch the stupendous wave’s video on this? Just asking
@@kevincruz-hernandez6321 Yes.. I agree with most of what they have to say about the show...
Everyone says that scar looks like a light whip scar, but imo I think its a force lighting scar from a powerful sith.
The power of 2 pulling on the thread... oh, I can't wait for this bad reveal.
No he said he is a former Jedi that ras thrown away long ago...pay attention because some of us pay do.
And then apprenticed to a Sith. Keep up.
Qimir is Darth Venamis!
I believe that Tenebrous "discarded" him, in favor of his new apprentice, Plagueis...Venamis would later go on to be exoerimented on by Palpatine and Plagueis, helping them unlock the key to immortality
Wasn't Venamis a Bith like Tenebrous?
I thought that Palpatine’s distorted face from the lightning during the fight with Windu was Pop polo sibly be over 100 years old or more,
Another possibility for Darth Plagueis is that he himself found a way to extend his life span through his mastery of the dark side. You don’t even have to retcon the whole species. He could know how to extend his life but not make himself truly immortal and it should respect all the lore, I think, but I’m not an ultra nerd to really know lol
Nah. That's a light saber whip wound, and they even had Vernestra use the whip to accentuate that fact. His master was Vernestra, she discarded him, and that's how Sol knows him.
STOP IT!!! PLAGUES was just born during this time
What about Tenebrous his master?
Plagueis was 80 when he met a teenage palps. And tenerbrous was at least middle age when he met Plagueis. Plagueis comments on how much longer Biths and Muuns live than humans.
His age isn’t canon
@@XDivineSouljax he would definitely be the one around at this time
@cael4065 can we stop with this Canon BS. The only reason why it's not canon is because everything that was Canon Disney decided to make it all Legends and make up their own BS. Tenebrous would be the one around at this time
I’ll tell you why Qimir’s master was not Plagueis or any other Sith, because that would be decent writing. It’s Vernestra Rhoh, and her light whip is the creator of that fancy wound.
having this show actually have Canon moments feels a bit like the Holiday Special having key importance.
Weird how when a show actually does the things star wars fans have been asking for, fans still don't like it. What was the last star wars release u actually thought was good?
@@cloudmaster182 Ahsoka, but besides that wym actually doing things we want? Name one thing.
@@cloudmaster182 Star wars on the CW level quality. Just asking for coherent storytelling with purpose. This show is awful.
@topmoo dude it's literally prequel level lol. Like, at its best and at it's worst, there's not much deviation
@@cloudmaster182 where did all the money go. Film school levels of editing mixed with transitions to no where. The prequels seem like godfather in comparison
The planet is Achto ....watch for the little clues like the elephant like species that were on the planet in The Last Jedi...
Nah, it's not Plagueis. Plagueis is his rival. In Lore, Tenebrous had two apprentices, Plagueis and... another, forgot the name. That was rejected. This might be him.
Venamis?
Venamis is a Bith. Qimir is not Venamis.
I hope it isn't Plagueis, it's too early. I also hope it's not Tenebrous since he basically ordered the birth of Plagueis and the fact he had a backup apprentice too.
Dude, that scar on his back looks awfully like a light whip made it. I'm calling green jedi woman who can't act is the Sith master who dumped Darth Slipknot.
Here’s another good point….no-one cares after this mess.
Nahhh...Vernestra 1000% gave him that scar, she was most likely his former Jedi Master but probably tried killing him once he was showing dark side tendencies or he tried killing her.
he says he is very old, i think he is probably 100+ years old because vernestra is also very old.
maybe he was in cryo stasis or found a dark side was of keeping youthful and at the the end of the show he and the twins are all sacrificed by Plagusis to discover the way to cheat death & how to create life hence him making anakin later on.
The scar on Qimir's back is not linear. It is sort of this curved mark, like it's from a whip. Venestra has a light saber whip. To me, Qimir was a jedi apprenticed to Venestra. Something happened between them, and he was either cast out or left the order. He was then picked up and apprenticed by a sith lord. Call it Plagueis or Tenebrous, whichever...
Which means he could be imri which is quite similar to Qimir
The planet that Qimir is hides out on is the blue moon planet above Brendock! Those two planets align and the red on has rings on it like Saturn. The trailer gives this away with the chase scene flying through the ice ring and you can see both moons in the background! It’s name could still be Bal demnick
The scar looks like it came from a whip
Those scars on his back resemble what you’d imagine would come from a whip… and who just demonstrated their lightsaber whip in this episode?
Qimir actually being part of the Sith would explain how he knew about the rule of two but what about Yoda in PHM, how did Master Yoda know about Darth Bane and the rule of two? When Yoda goes to the Well Spring of Life he confronts his Dark Side and his dark side tells him (Yoda doesn’t play with me anymore) could Yoda have once left the Jedi to become a Sith only to return? I mean he is 900 years old so anything is possible.
I don’t know whether this is canon but yoda was made aware of the rule of two by a fallen jedi named Kibh Jeen. How long before the events of the TPM or the details of the story I don’t exactly know but in his last moments he uttered,”there are always two sith, no more no less.”
Bro HE IS NOTHING LIKE MAUL , COMPARED TO THE STRANGER, maul is a "blunt instrament" maul would never have thought to fight use cortossis (what were tenebrous & plaugeis mining on baldemnic?) Or think up that saber
The only way to fix this series would be if Darth plagueis appears at the end of episode 7 and kills everyone in episode 8
Yeah or Darth Tenebrous himself
the Green Jedi lady with the whip is his old master
One problem; Plageuis has no respect for former Jedi that become Sith. He in fact is rather disgusted by the mere thought of it
the rule of two is literally killing the apprentice if he is not worth
Scar on his back looks like a Light Saber whip
Qimir now feels very much Darth Maul coded. Once an apprentice of a sith lord, Tenebris, who was discarded. He does say he use to be a jedi, "a long time ago, but people guessing Vernestra is a secret sith r wrong. I do believe the whip marks on qimirs back r from Vernestra but only at a battle where she found out qimir was a dark side apprentice.
As for Sol, next episode will show us that in the past the witches possessed kalnaca to unalive the other jedi. Out of pure anger and desperation, Sol turned to the dark side and used lightening force to take out all the withches at one time. The witches unalive released kalnaca from their control.
I believe all the characters in this story will die by end. Including Qimir, Sol, mae, and osha. Vernestra will cover it all up. 😎🎯
the wound looks like a whip wound, and we did see a lightwhip in this episode ... chekovs gun ?
Chekov’s whip
the planet looks almost the same as baldemnic from the novel
Darth Jar Jar controlls everything
Qimir literally says he was once a Jedi in the episode. Did you miss that?
"Thou goest to women? Do not forget the wip!" Nietzsche invented the double contradiction by accident.
Thusfore the Soviets never made a serious attemt to ride on dinosaurs. Surprisingly the opp opp opp ups
Qimir went public which is a problem. Plagueis could be the apprentice still, just cleaning up the mess of a Renegade acolyte, failed assassin, or rival
It could also be Tenebrous or his master the unknown Twi'lek Sith Lord that trained him
Yeah I hope we get to see Tenebrous kill everyone at the end of the show
I think those scars on thirst trap look like whip lashes, and I think the island is the place where Tenebrous and Plagueis were once in the comics.
So far this show seems like an excuse for Headland to bring things into canon again 😂
Darth Plagueis was 115 years when he died in episode one. That means he was 15 years during during The Acolyte. And sith doesnt train children. So, Plagueis can't be the sith master, only Tenebrous can be the Sith Master at this time.
Darth Zanna and Darth Maul where childeren when they started training as Sith, so you are wrong about that.
It’s seems that the rule of two of darth bane is famous for the power of two
The rule of two has always been canon. Yoda said it in revenge of the sith when he was talking to windu
There is no retcon needed bruh Muun can live for hundreds of years lol.. Also pretty sure you are right about the planet as when hes working on the helmet and talking to Osha you can see a ore vein of Cortosis running up the cave wall behind him
Look at Imri Cantaros...he was Vernestra's Padawan, was a Genetia, and had very strong force Empathy. Imri was also known to use the dark side to win fights back when he was a Jedi. I don't think Qimir has a Master. I think Vernestra was his teacher, and now HE wants to be a Master with a Acolyte or Acolytes. I am not against the idea of him being the first Knight of Ren. I wish that they would have done more with the Knights of Ren in episodes 7, 8 and 9.
Qimir back scars are from a whip. Possibly a lightsaber whip like the one Vernestra Rwoh has. Probably the reason why they showed both on the same episode. Qimir said in the episode that he’s also a discarded apprentice. I don’t think the master is Plagueis. I believe it’s a fallen Jedi story and Qimir will become the founder of the knights of Ren. He is not and will never become a Sith.
The show runners have already confirmed he is or was an actual Sith Lord. And that we will see two Sith Lords this season.
Unless one of the witches is Plagueis, or whatever Sith Lord, then the whole coven of witches storyline was completely unnecessary, it could have been covered just as well with a 30 second flashback. So they were definitely unnecessary.
I think it was a Jedi that gave Qimir the scars. And that Jedi is Vernestra Rhow and her whipsaber.
His scar looks like a laser whip... I Wonder if his former jedi master was venestra
Is just a scar from his old master (The olive jedi) people thinking some complex theories about a show with the writing quality of a B MOVIE is just amazing.
"LAZY booking!" - Jim Cornette
If Plagueis is, or was, Qimir's master that could explain his comment that hints that he's far older than he looks. We know that Plagueis learned how to cheat death. So maybe he experienced on Qimir, and was able to extend his life. The scar on the back could be from that.
Tenebrous more likely was Qimir’s master and he was discarded for Plagueis.
The power of one, the power of two, the power of maaannyy.
The scar is from a whip. Who do we know with a whip light saber?😎
The scars can from Vernestras, also he was obviously trained as a Sith after but it is nothing of interest at this point.
The green lady is the Sith master.
Plaeguis would only be 15 at this point, so it is most likely to be tenebrous. The planet is also most likely Bal Demnic based on the cortosis vein. Which is where Plaeguis kills his master tenebrous so hopefully we will see tenebrous
Look out, I'm getting some JarJar vibes from the green Skittle.
Have a feeling that maybe Qimir is gonna be just the former apprentice of Vernestra ,that fell under the influence of an ancient Sith Lord ( Qimir is now a Sith Lord himself btw they confirmed it in interviews ) maybe this sith is from the old republic era or before that possessed a Young Qimir through the Cortosis helmet that’s why he said what he said knowing Osha would try it on and be influenced by it too? That’s my guess anyway
Oh I figured the scar was from Venestra’s whip
He said the JEDI threw him away. He was a former jedi, not sith. That's the whole point.. that the same thing that happened to him happened to osha.
But then apprenticed to Tenebrous. And discarded by him in favor of Plagueis or by Plagueis when he killed Tenebrous on that planet.
@@charliedulin that's not part of the show yet. if that becomes true we have yet to see, but it's not right now
Isn't there a difference between the Acolyte Coven's "Power of Two" & the Sith's "Rule of Two"?
So this time the master decided to let the apprentice live outcasting him? Not like poetry more like forcing a square peg through a round hole.
The power of Manny Jacinto!
I can't wait to see Source Wall in live-action one day.
I thought he might be the head jedi's student. He had whip marks on his back and her weapon is a whip lightsaber.🤔
Why Isn't it possible that Plaegious or Tenebrous was Qimir's apprentice?
@@hubertopolski1625 elaborate?
I think Darth Plagueis wasn't alive yet and Darth Tenebrous had a Twi'lek master
Its either Plagues or Tenebrous that discarded Qimir I don't care which but I think its cool. Tenebrous had 2 venomous which was a test for Plagues so we will see
It would explain why he doesnt have a Darth name…
Well, it's not canon if nobody finds out about it. I find that the only cool mystery about this show and it would be kind of genius if they actually planned it that way -which they didn't. "How does this not become canon because nobody ever finds out about it?" Of course, it would actually be canon, but you know what I mean that it wouldn't ruin the existing canon.
I would put there Darth Tenebrous as really badass Sith, monstrous and young Plagueis as the new apprentice hunting the pretender and loose Link. The true Sith Master wants Qimir or Kaimir dead, if he was his apprentice.
Everyone says Plagues but why not Temebrous? We are still about 80 something years before PHM so it would be kinda cool if Tenebrous discarded Qimir for Darth Plaguis.
He said the jedi threw him away not the sith. This video is wrong.
Discarded by both the Jedi AND the Sith. Tenebrous probably ditchwd him in favor of Plagueis.
@charliedulin that may end up being true, but that's not what was said.
I legit am expecting it to end with Plageuis and Tenebrous to turn up like a couple of horror movie slasher characters ala Darth Vader Rogue 1 scene on the surviving Jedi who have an idea of what's coming for them and that Sol, Osha, Mae and Qimir are either gonna survive or be hunted down one by one so that at least one of them can escape.
There was no mention that he could be Darth Venamis? Use of poison... trained by Tenebrous.
And in thge Strangers lair... you see an actual Cortosis vein. It's definitely Bal'demnic.
Those look like scars from a whip….
Would Palpatine even be born yet?
HOLD UP, THE ACCOLYTE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BACK.
Just today I’m starting to suspect Sol as a secret Sith Lord. Impossible? The hints suggest it but the hints could also be a distraction 🤷🏻♂️ I still feel the twins idea was a bad idea and almost anything else would’ve been better
His reference to "power of two" is a callback to the chant of the witches of Brendok. It's supposed clue us in that he has knowledge of the witches or some kind of relationship with them. And episode 7 flashes back to Brendok, we know that. Given that there are only two episodes left, there won't be a huge Sith reveal in this show. Qimir may be older than he looks (he said twice with emphasis that he was a Jedi a long time ago)....and he may go by another name we recognize (such as being the canon Plagueis himself), but the only reveal in ep 7 or 8 will be to tie Qimir in with the witches and what really went down on Brendok. That, combined with Osha and Mae deciding what to do once they know the truth, wraps up this whole story. Anything else big, like Qimir having a secret Sith master in the shadows, would be too messy and tangential at this point, even for this scattershot show.
I love that Karma hired all those interns at the beginning of 2023. It's been great to see.
I think Tenebrous was Qimir’s master, but Plaguies did say that he was over 100 years old when he was training Palpatine, so he would be alive during this time.
I think Qimir is an apprentice. I have heard talk of David Harewood coming in to play Darth Plaqueis. I can see it. It will be rare to see the Master. He will make cameos. I believe Qimir will be cast aside and will start the Knights of Ren.
Darth Plagueis isn't even a factor here.....he's only 15 🤣 it's Darth Tenebrous who is the sith master
Mate RIGHT ON SWC!! My thoughts exactly, regarding sith assassin/disregarded by Darth Plagueis!! Everyone saying it is a "light whip scar", yo, its lightning. And Filoni def gave the blessing to release Canon info of Plagueis, totally IMO
Darth Gaen needs a new female host. She was Tenebrous Master. The same whole Gaen forced into Her Master Force Bubble was the same hole she later did to Tenebrous