Arcane was being nerfed for the last 6 weeks. It's really weak now, has to cast a lot and lost mobility. Super easy to interrupt. Frost or even Fire are way better since they have lots of instant casts.
Aug got stealth nerfed in the latest build with the Ebon Might nerf which hurt it very hard (Maybe its a bug?). Ebon Might on retail increases personal damage by 33% in PvP Combat. In the latest build, this figure is down to 20% personal damage increase, and the stat value of Ebon Might for teammates is reduced by 25%+ (6.5% to 5% and the close as clutchmates nerf is an additional 10% value nerf to primary stats for ebon might). During Ebon Might we got a 13% personal damage nerf which feels pretty rough from my testing in 3v3 + Shuffle so far. My experience is it feels about the same as Dragonflight Season 4, and possibly a smidge weaker because of the wizard meta and leaning more into our personal damage.
Um the lightning build got giga buffed and the only thing nerfed was arc discharged but you got tempest every 300 maelstrom instead of 400. Power of the maelstrom causing so many gauranteed overloads means every time you lots of extra lightning bolts. Can tempest gain this effect? If you have a tempest and then lavaburst tempest do you get all the lb modifiers and overloads on the tempest? If you have tempest, can you lavaburst (power of maelstrom proc.) Earthshock (surge of power,) then tempest and get 4 tempest on a single cast?
Are you talking about Ele Sham sitting in the back casting, or overall God tier? I’m about to give up on mine because if I get focused, I surely die. I cannot survive, especially against melee. I just can’t get away. Sucks. Maybe the way I play, who knows.
i mean probleem with demo is cast time,its way too long demo its last of few caster who actually need cast to get dmg output ,cast time make almost impossibvle to fake it (almost 2s cast for dog ) need to be short by atleast 20%-30%
Soul Swap has been a constant for my warlock, and I was pissed on patch day when I discovered that I currently do not have it. It completely messed the way I play.
I am an old guy, just getting into pvp more. I have only dabbled with BG's here and there once in a while. I am not very good really, but I enjoy playing using ranged specs with abilities that disrupt or annoy the crap out of people. lol Even as dps, abilities like kleptomania, slows, stuns, cleanses, utility stuff that helps my team, etc. I usually just run around doing the disruptive stuff, but it eventually gets me in trouble where the other team puts me on kill on sight. It makes me giggle like a little kid sometimes. I should probably go see a therapist huh. lol
It's funny how he kept saying starfall build for druid when elune chosen buffs arcane and furry of elune. It didn't focus starfall but unfortunately dmg and defense on boomy is awful...another patch shown that blizz hates druid
Yesterday i tested demo on the beta against a friend both fully geared with pvp stuff , the fell lord did about 900k-1m damage , the problem is you are testing on dummies and some abilities do area damage also there might be some pvp reduction that's not mentioned on the notes .
Having the spec I love to play get constantly nerfed to shit only makes me want to quit pvp. Leaving me with only pve as a viable choice in game play. Idk if the devs hate bm hunters or just want to keep killing off the pvp player base. But they have succeeded.
Blizzard pumps out class changes faster than all you content creators can make videos :P I wonder how this tierlist would look, here a day later after all the massive nerfs (75% nerf to living bomb ouch), also rip shaman and Ret Pallies (and BM hunters yet again)
Honestly I felt that in Dragonflight; I was an affliction one-trick for so long and I finally started to branch out with some alts recently since things have been feeling a bit stale. Ended up making a personal challenge to get every class to 2k in organized 3s just for fun. Most fun I've had in WoW in years. Everything feels so fresh; never thought I'd love healing and playing melee. Still play lock a ton but now I have so many more options when I'm feeling bored of it.
"Best" anything while were in pre patch is imo pretty dumb. everything is busted for the most part. wait till a week after the first season of the xpac before you can say whats "best"
@@Supatease That would be a bug then. The tooltip says "Non-player targets struck by a Wailing Arrow have their spellcasting interrupted and are silenced for 3 sec." I also just tested it in a quick duel and it did not silence or interrupt the person I was dueling.
its so funny to see how different wow guys do these rankings like i watched ven talk about how mages are like okay at best but says bal druid is godlike cause of clone and clone alone without even looking at damage
Good job blizzard listen to Micro shit rushing a mmo that’s half assed done on every level just to rush it out I honestly can’t wait tell ashes of creation comes out blow wow out of the water because there so much in a rush no providing a game with loyal To there fans base it’s so annoying that they favorite classes then others that’s destroys a mmo and there do fantastic at it I mean I do like wow but it making me want to leave Almost do to favorites and half assed trees that are not completely done right or will on Hunter and other classes hero’s trees could of been better yet that video blizzon isn’t real noc offs I say any way what’s here to say anything I am excited but not to excited because other classes get a lot more cool shit then others doesn’t make me want to play the game if there fucking over Druid’s boomkin like I like it how it is but there pissing players off that’s what I don’t like I can see why people are pulling away because melee is blizzard wants people to play witch is horse shit cuz dk is looking amazing comparing it to anything else and mage wtf is that
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If you want to understand a ranking then make sure to listen to the commentary when the spec is being ranked to determine if it's a good fit for you.
Mele next pretty please :)
If anything changes from this video on, will you be posting the updates here or just making a new video? Thanks
0:00 Another Supatease video
0:58 Tier definitions
2:10 Affliction
5:26 Arcane
6:40 Aug
8:13 BM
9:01 Demo
10:21 Destro
11:45 Dev
13:20 Ele
14:57 Fire
16:07 Balance
18:59 Frost
19:42 Marks
20:38 Shadow
21:57 Recap
HATE what Blizzard has been doing to stormbringer in PvP, I'm so sick of ele being a *third* fire caster 💀💀💀💀
that BM tuning people are insane that tune that
Arcane was being nerfed for the last 6 weeks. It's really weak now, has to cast a lot and lost mobility. Super easy to interrupt. Frost or even Fire are way better since they have lots of instant casts.
They had more Instant casts before the nerfs when chrono shift is back as pvp talent Holy sht but idk we will see
Did you consider the latest nerf to Arcane? Thanks!
We need Melee DPS list ASAP mr GOAT
Was running a blitz and got absolutely obliterated by a fire mage doing ignite, living bomb and meteor. Wiped out the whole team
Now I hear your argument for lightning build ele not being a thing, BUT I’m still going it 😎
Great vid, TY.
Really torn on S/Priest or Frost DK for PVP. Probably end up trying both, but which first is the question. Hmmm....
When did A tier become the middle tier? :')
Hey supatease with all the class buffs and nerfs coming will you do updated tier lists?
Aug got stealth nerfed in the latest build with the Ebon Might nerf which hurt it very hard (Maybe its a bug?). Ebon Might on retail increases personal damage by 33% in PvP Combat. In the latest build, this figure is down to 20% personal damage increase, and the stat value of Ebon Might for teammates is reduced by 25%+ (6.5% to 5% and the close as clutchmates nerf is an additional 10% value nerf to primary stats for ebon might). During Ebon Might we got a 13% personal damage nerf which feels pretty rough from my testing in 3v3 + Shuffle so far.
My experience is it feels about the same as Dragonflight Season 4, and possibly a smidge weaker because of the wizard meta and leaning more into our personal damage.
Um the lightning build got giga buffed and the only thing nerfed was arc discharged but you got tempest every 300 maelstrom instead of 400. Power of the maelstrom causing so many gauranteed overloads means every time you lots of extra lightning bolts. Can tempest gain this effect? If you have a tempest and then lavaburst tempest do you get all the lb modifiers and overloads on the tempest? If you have tempest, can you lavaburst (power of maelstrom proc.) Earthshock (surge of power,) then tempest and get 4 tempest on a single cast?
Are you talking about Ele Sham sitting in the back casting, or overall God tier? I’m about to give up on mine because if I get focused, I surely die. I cannot survive, especially against melee. I just can’t get away. Sucks. Maybe the way I play, who knows.
i mean probleem with demo is cast time,its way too long demo its last of few caster who actually need cast to get dmg output ,cast time make almost impossibvle to fake it (almost 2s cast for dog ) need to be short by atleast 20%-30%
BM got boned… who tf is this dev and what reality are they in?!
I'm just gonna keep play bm 😌 I like my buddies.
BM players only play BM cuse they dont know anything else :)
thanks for the upload. What would you say is comfy for 1o1?
Soul Swap has been a constant for my warlock, and I was pissed on patch day when I discovered that I currently do not have it. It completely messed the way I play.
Ah man thought about bringin back my old BM hunter not now
20:56 yep both sp and disc voidweaver spec got nerfed too much, void blast went from cannon balls to little pokes
Hey supa!! I’m coming back since legion. Just getting started again. Was wondering, are more people horde or alliance right now? For pvp.
It doesn't really matter you can que cross faction now on the same team. Alliance still has arguably the best racial though depending on what you play
I am an old guy, just getting into pvp more. I have only dabbled with BG's here and there once in a while. I am not very good really, but I enjoy playing using ranged specs with abilities that disrupt or annoy the crap out of people. lol Even as dps, abilities like kleptomania, slows, stuns, cleanses, utility stuff that helps my team, etc. I usually just run around doing the disruptive stuff, but it eventually gets me in trouble where the other team puts me on kill on sight. It makes me giggle like a little kid sometimes. I should probably go see a therapist huh. lol
U doing this for melee? Also, about time dk was op, its been nothing but dh since legion.
thats not true at all lmao
hope dk gets gutted what an un fun class to fight
@@Catdaddy836 really? what mele dps u play? let me guess, a dh
@@reyflp nope. im a healer main. mostly resto shaman and mistweaver. let me guess. you are a meta slave.
Removing close as clutchmates takes 10% of augs personal dps is gone
It's funny how he kept saying starfall build for druid when elune chosen buffs arcane and furry of elune. It didn't focus starfall but unfortunately dmg and defense on boomy is awful...another patch shown that blizz hates druid
theres going to be so much more tuning even after they release the xpac. there always is. just play what u guys think is fun
Yesterday i tested demo on the beta against a friend both fully geared with pvp stuff , the fell lord did about 900k-1m damage , the problem is you are testing on dummies and some abilities do area damage also there might be some pvp reduction that's not mentioned on the notes .
Thanks for making this boody!
boomy not S tier is this a real supatease tier list lol
it isn't S tier
Right, it's A tops just for cyclone.
This is a tier list for pvp. So its not including mythics/raids.
Boomy is dog
I want to play Aug but I can’t find a way to do damage
what up with ret pally killing ranged dps at range, and faster than a ranged dps
Is the armor buff/bug alrdy fixed?
I can’t stand how they’ve doubled down on fire with flamestrike and living bomb. I’d much rather them enforce the main rotation without aoe.
Having the spec I love to play get constantly nerfed to shit only makes me want to quit pvp. Leaving me with only pve as a viable choice in game play. Idk if the devs hate bm hunters or just want to keep killing off the pvp player base. But they have succeeded.
Would it be a bad idea to choose an Undead Warrior for PVP?
Just go gnome
It’s a great idea
Gnome or Orc would be best, but you should play what you enjoy. Nothing wrong with undead
@@zugdigitalx gross
@@zugdigitalx i play only Horde :(
My bro has no idea how rankings work. A tier is in the middle of the list…
Still can’t pick. Probably will just end up rolling mage again
Where is Ret Paladin? its more Range than meele :) they destroy me only from range
Ty bro
What u rank survival?
Has anyone tried mountain thane fury war??
How does arcane not die ? :)
Give up on the starfall build supa please lol
Blizzard pumps out class changes faster than all you content creators can make videos :P I wonder how this tierlist would look, here a day later after all the massive nerfs (75% nerf to living bomb ouch), also rip shaman and Ret Pallies (and BM hunters yet again)
Multi glad, hero, cutting edge boomkin and I am looking to not play boomkin this patch for the first time ever. Sad.
Honestly I felt that in Dragonflight; I was an affliction one-trick for so long and I finally started to branch out with some alts recently since things have been feeling a bit stale. Ended up making a personal challenge to get every class to 2k in organized 3s just for fun. Most fun I've had in WoW in years. Everything feels so fresh; never thought I'd love healing and playing melee. Still play lock a ton but now I have so many more options when I'm feeling bored of it.
cry harder ur spec isnt stupidly broken anymore wah wah
@@zionzorshin1579 100% you are hard stuck no matter what you play.
"Best" anything while were in pre patch is imo pretty dumb. everything is busted for the most part. wait till a week after the first season of the xpac before you can say whats "best"
Wailing Arrow Interrupt/Silence doesn't work on players, so an odd comment in a PvP tier list.
If you played the pre patch you'd see it does.
@@Supatease That would be a bug then. The tooltip says "Non-player targets struck by a Wailing Arrow have their spellcasting interrupted and are silenced for 3 sec."
I also just tested it in a quick duel and it did not silence or interrupt the person I was dueling.
Probably but Imve been silenced by it
@@Supatease only until they fix it, hunter cannot have something good its just a bugg i gues
Do melee!
Arcane was so fun a month ago on beta. Now its not nearly as fun
its so funny to see how different wow guys do these rankings like i watched ven talk about how mages are like okay at best but says bal druid is godlike cause of clone and clone alone without even looking at damage
I'd agree if boomkin had the haste it does in the pre patch.
everyone high up will be nerfed
Right fuck on bm damn blizzard
You have so many tiers and then you don't use them all. Why not just remove some..
Love the videos, but get a new camera my dude :D
Sp is deffo not a-tier, not even close.
nerff shaman and dk or you can delete all exp as for pvp
Why pvp?
top 10% of boomies dont even spec starfall because we play arena just so u know
I literally ended 3100 solo shuffle as balance you played starfall with aff locks and shadow priests.
@@Supatease prepatch changed talents, new starsurge build way better for arena
I'm sorry but I trust Supa here.
Starfall build is fun, cool, and has a place in rot comps.
feels good BM hettin this nerf, lazy 3 button players
.... God teir mage specs..... sounds like RogueMageCraft..... 🤢 🤮
Close as clutchmates should not have been removed in pvp
Disagree as a deva main fuck augmentation
@@Anonymoussss0207 lol don't like to challenge yourself eh
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Daw was going to main hunter...
So you just want to play the god classes? bro, it's still A
@glndopangamer bm hunter I meant sorry
Good job blizzard listen to Micro shit rushing a mmo that’s half assed done on every level just to rush it out I honestly can’t wait tell ashes of creation comes out blow wow out of the water because there so much in a rush no providing a game with loyal To there fans base it’s so annoying that they favorite classes then others that’s destroys a mmo and there do fantastic at it I mean I do like wow but it making me want to leave Almost do to favorites and half assed trees that are not completely done right or will on Hunter and other classes hero’s trees could of been better yet that video blizzon isn’t real noc offs I say any way what’s here to say anything I am excited but not to excited because other classes get a lot more cool shit then others doesn’t make me want to play the game if there fucking over Druid’s boomkin like I like it how it is but there pissing players off that’s what I don’t like I can see why people are pulling away because melee is blizzard wants people to play witch is horse shit cuz dk is looking amazing comparing it to anything else and mage wtf is that
The Diablost just fine 😂 what are about you talking ? 😅
Evoker in general need buffs this shieet is ass
Honestly just give dev a bit more survivable and make their range 30 yards I’d be happy keep their deeps tho lol
Bugged, God, S...? Why can't you just stick to the regular format? We understand what top means, no need to go above that.