Absolutely used and abused the KM3's on my JLU Rubicon. 42,500 miles when I traded them and the tires still had 8/32nds. Drove cross country twice from VA-Montana and then VA-Utah. Miles and miles of trails mud snow rock crawling moab. Started getting loud around 35k miles but nothing like your video. Had great experiences with Ko2's in the past and hated the KM2's but the km3's made me feel unstoppable off road.
We actually heard that a lot from jeeps and Tacomas running KO2s and KM3s. I think weight plays a big factor. Raptors are usually 1500 lbs heavier. Mine is at 7000 lbs empty. So weight definitely impacts noise and wear for sure.
Great video, how have the tires held up? I'm currently running baja boss at tires on my 2014 raptor and I'm really curious how the noise compares to the legend exp. The baja boss at has gotten louder and stiffer over the last 45 thousand miles, a majority street. But were very quiet compared to some Goodyear duratracs i had before. Have you been able to compare road noise between the legend exp and baja boss at?
They have been very quiet so far. Mine were initially loud but it had more to do with my hubs going out than the tires. Once I got new hubs on the truck, they have been extremely quiet considering the tread. Been really happy with them offroad as well and they lasting really good
That’s what I heard a lot on the Toyos. They make the RTs in 13.5, they are harder to get and are a bit louder but maybe something to look at. That’s what I wanted to get originally.
Hmm not sure I believe it after looking up a pic of the tire. Maybe it’s because you’re in a lighter Jeep. As it stands, jeeps have a very loud cabin. Impossible to properly treat because the top is designed to come off. So sounds would carry very differently in a Jeep too.
@KeepItDirtyOffRoad being lighter could help, i also had the trail grapplers on a gx I used to have and those were a little louder. There are a few rigs out here in CO we wheel with and also are big fan of the cooper's. It's one of the only mud and snow rated mud tires. If your at KOH this year. I'll take yah for a ride lol!
Weight definitely matters. I’ve seen KO2s last much longer on lighter Tacomas. But waste away on the heavier f150s. For a Jeep I would definitely deal with the noise to rock crawl those tires. I bet the KM3s have great grip and flex for jeeping
Thanks for the video and I agree, my K02s lost almost all their grip while driving in the rain when I was stationed in Florida. It rained there so much I had to get rid of them ASAP because of the possibility of hydroplaning. Truthfully, the best tire I have ever owned is the Hankook Dynapro AT2 Xtreme. Relatively quiet, smooth on the pavement, plenty of grip while off-roading and sticky in the rain. Also come with a warranty and the tread is wearing slowly. My one knock on them is that they do run a bit narrow as compared to other 12.5s.
Yeah we mostly hear it from the Midwest guys. Are you Mostly on pavement? What kind of trail you running offroad? Here in SoCal and Baja, trails can get pretty rough and they chew up any tire. So the KO2s wear out quick down here. I haven’t don’t much off-roading in the Midwest. What I have hit was just sand and some forest trails that were pretty tame. Nothing like the sand and rocks we see down here.
So far they have held up great. We did a quick update on the Instagram a few weeks back, but tires still look new after 5k miles and the grip from them has been awesome. Only drawback is noise. They are noisy. But so far worth it because of the grip
@KeepItDirtyOffRoad also on 3/4 ton trucks they were totally fine in the sharp rocks ect. Honestly never got 1 flat ever with a greasewood stick in the sidewall.
Prerunners I could definitely see working right. Specially if you have the power and a cage to push it. Also these do great on slow stuff. They are designed to flex more than other tires for crawling. But KM3 are different than the KM2s. And a lot are complaining of issues what everyone is calling COVID tires. From out of round to similar failures like mine. All within the last 2 years.
I am going to look into buying size 285/75R27 MT baja boss A/T tires to replaxe the stock Goodyear territory m/t tires that came on my 2024 colorafo zr2 truck
Funny no one else is saying this and I can attest to them being great tires. The road noise on my KM3 37x13.50x20R tires is the lowest I've ever had with ANY mud terrain and that is a fact. Have you even considered you got a bad batch of covid tires? Cooper has reported similar poor quality with tires manufactured during this time as well and there are probably more. Then you could just be bashing BFG so they reach out to you so 'make it right' and offer you a fresh set lmao.
Check the comments man. Lots of guys having the same issues. Getting tons of pictures too sent to me on IG of guys having similar blow outs and same issues with noice and KO2s wearing out quick. It really depends on what you’re running them on. Jeeps and light duty trucks love them. Low noise, great grip and they last. But those running them on full size trucks have a different experience. Then there is the raptor factor where we are running much faster and just have different needs from a tire. The KM3 is just the wrong tire for high speed off-roading.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I’ve got thousands of Baja miles on my KM3s and they were great. Same with others on Facebook. We get it, you’re biased for sales. No need to bash a solid tire. And yes we drive Raptors and we don’t drive slow.
🤣🤣 biased for sales. That’s hilarious. You obviously did not watch the video. I backed up my comments. Showed was I was talking about. It’s my opinions based on real world experience. And I showed more than one tire here. Shit I even recommend another tire. On top of it all, you basing your comments based on a small sampling on Facebook. Check the real world man. Lots of opinions out there and the guys that trust BFGs are in the minority. Specially because BFG has let them down the last few years.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad RUclips is a random sampling of anyone that might use the tire. I’m talking specifically about the Ford Raptor groups where guys have had great experience with BFG. Honestly your channel has kinda gone down hill. It’s been more of a bitchfest against SVC and now BFG. Maybe go off-road and stop worrying so much about green paint and strapping speakers down 😂
Like I said. Limited sampling. Haters going to hate anyone that has a different opinion for their own. I didn’t just give an opinion. I backed my opinion up. Anyways dude. That forum is one of the most toxic forums out there. Lots of bad advice from guys that don’t offroad. I followed advise from those forums early on and quickly realized most of guys that comment there don’t offroad on the harsh trails of SoCal and Baja much. Bunch of guys that only hit fire roads or tracks and maybe go out a hand full a times. It’s the main reason I started this channel. Because the advise was so bad and way off. If you can’t see that, you’re part of the problem.
That’s crazy. I have KM3s 39x13.5 and have over 40k miles on them. They have been in rain, snow, mud, sand, rock crawling, etc…and I’ve had no problems with them considering the abuse I put them through. Traction has been great especially considering I don’t have lockers. I just finished the Rubicon 2 weeks ago and went up Cadillac Hill in the rain with only LSD in the rear and open diff in the front. They are still pretty quiet on the road. I might run them again, but they have went up in price by about $250 a tire since I purchased them in 2021.
There is the key right there. Based on the tracks you hit in guessing these are on a Jeep or small truck. We always hear from you guys that they are great. But you guys are much lighter than the full size trucks by at least 1500lbs or more and some of those rigs don’t hit the speeds we do. Raptors don’t keep grip to crawl, we rarely crawl them. We need the ability to go fast and slide a turn to keep momentum. KM3s grip mid slide unpredictably and have a ton of extra noise with a heavier load. Different offroad requires different tires. KM3s are at home with low pressure climbing rocks and that’s what they are means for. Not prerunning trails at high speeds
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Nope, I'm coming up on 30k miles and they keep chugging along. I've done 2 cross country trips with them and they're fantastic. Tons of offroading in California, Arizona, Utah and Colorado and they have minimal chunking. The original General Grabbers that were super popular on desert trucks before the X3s came out are pretty loud so I wonder if some of their reputation rubbed off onto the X3s.
Any thoughts on the BFGoodrich KO3s tbat are about to drop in 35s? Interesting that the Ranger Raptor came spec'd with the K03s (albeit in a smaller size), but not the EcoBoost Raptor F-150 and not the R....that said, I did see a RUclips video earlier today where a guy compared KO3s that came spec'd as original equipment on some vehicles ~1-2 years ago and the ones that are now being released...it seems BFG did a bunch of updates to the tread pattern and siping on the K03. Also, if load range C is too light for the V6 F-150 Raptor, any thoughts on why Ford kept them on the heavier V8 R? Thx and appreciate the content!
I had a discussion with a BFG rep at the mint 400 last year on them. They had them side by side and yeah. I was not impressed. As he put it, it’s a more street focused ride than the KO2 was. They tried to address the main issue with the KO2 and they wanted them quieter and better wet performance. The KO2 is awful in the rain. So they improved on road performance. Not offroad performance. Its the same compound so they are not going to last and we’ve already seen issues on social with shops having similar issues as the KO2 with balancing the tires and vibrations on the road.
We got some truck updates and run videos in the works. It’s just been tough to get out. Most of our favorite trails in the Mojave and Death Valley were closed due to severe damage from all the rain we got here recently. DV just barely reopened partially this weekend and Mojave is finally fully open so hopefully sooner will be back out with some videos here
Always have loved Cooper or Cooper made tires which MTs were made by but now that Cooper was purchased by Goodyear last year they fall under the Goodyear umbrella and I'll need to revisit them.
Nice. We need more real world testing of other brands out there. BFGs have been so bad for me and I feel like people that barely offroad are always giving them glowing reviews
Hey boss, any update on how you are liking these after while? I’m considering a set to replace my Grabber ATXs. I’m just a little wary of running a tire with a 2 ply sidewall because I don’t want to run the risk of a puncture.
So far so good man. Grip has been great and after 5k miles they look great. Only drawback has been noise. They are noisy. Not as bad as KM3s, but still noisy on the hwy
Yeah man. With the KM3s the grip was inconsistent and for the most part I was just along for the ride sometimes. Either way the mickeys, where ever I point the truck she goes. Very good grip offroad. And they provide good grip on pavement too.
That’s great to hear. I drive my truck all over the country and do a good amount of off roading so I need a tire that can do both. The low weight is what really drew me to them in the first place.
I’m running Baja boss ats which are more of a mud terrain but not full. They have the siping on the tread blocks. They are quiet still after 14k miles and look very good still. Probably another 20-30k I can get out of these no problem. 1500 off road miles so far. Did Moab and Colorado pretty hard. They grip and they are hard to break loose in the rain with moderate to slight heavy throttle. These exps interest me due to weight. The Baja bosses are a bit heavier. They do bogg some in the sand. Granted I went out at full pressure as I was lazy and didn’t bring a compressor
Good to hear some real world wear feedback, our Suburban came with Goodyear Trailrunner ATs and honestly they're by far the worst off road tire I've ever experienced, we bought the truck a year and a half ago and I've replaced one tire, patched two more, and now I've got another slow leak and forget mud. They instantly turn into drag slicks the second they touch this Southern California clay gunk. I'm currently looking at the Falken Wildpeak AT3W and the MT Baja Boss AT in a load range E but it seems like 90% of the reviews I'm reading/seeing are on little Tacomas and Wranglers far lighter than this 3 ton boar.
I've ran the same tires you have.. and in different sizes. The ones I've been stuck on now have been the Nitto Ridge Grapplers in 37x17s. All my trucks are running them. Great tread wear and life. Great mild offroad tire for towing rigs. Great offroad tires for actual wheeling, and also highway tires.. decent in rain, but honestly nit as great in snow and ice, as the bfg KO2s are. Only reason I loved the KO2s were because of snow days and traction on snowed in roads/trails. Just hated how fast they wore out. But Ridge Grapplers have taken a beating and still lots of life and balance out well. I recommend you try them out. Keep up the great content sir 🤘🏼
The ridge grapplers are basically the same as my favorite tire Toyo RT. Same compound and everything just slightly different pattern. So yeah man. Great tires for sure
@@eltwitch9469 I have not run them personally but the Falken wildpeak at3w's are also widely considered to be great all around tires including winter performance and durable tread life. I see them on tons of work trucks here in the Midwest. I have the EXP's and they are great for summer, towing, smooth ride and solid handling but I run snow tires in the winter.
Great content!! How should I get in touch with you about a good deal on those Mickey ESP's. I've been looking at switching out my cooper stt pros for the ESP's. Thanks again for the content, keep up the good work 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Wasn't sure if it was just me, but I have always had what I thought was bad luck with BFG. I had multiple sidewall punches on my personal vehicle. When I was a wildland firefighter, we ran them on our vehicles their were multiple times all 3 of our trucks were running on spares we were popping them so fast we were thinking we are screwed if another one pops. Even had one blow out on the freeway heading to a fire big noise a lot of dust knocked out from under the truck and huge swerve luckily I didn't crash.
I’ve had a similar experience with BFGs over the years. And heard many others have the same. Not sure why so many people are in love with them, but I’ll never run them again.
I have owned several set of KO’s and ko2’s over the years my last set was horrible only got 8k miles on them and needed to be replaced. Bfg said they would replace them took them to the tire shop they told me to go to and was told they looked like that because I drove a diesel. After 3 months of trying to get them replaced I went to Les Schwab and bought a set of back country m/t’s and so far I have been happy with them
I've ran both the Cooper ST Maxx and the Dick Cepek Trail country EXPs on my F250 with the powerstroke. Both in load range E and got real good mileage out of them and performed real well even in Moab with the big girl. I would imagine these should have similar performance as the Trail country Exps, since these took there place after Goodyear got rid of the Dick Cepek name and is just Mickey Thompson now. I believe the Coopers have a better sidewall though, but neither had any issues on the rocks.
I am finished with my worthless KO2 All-Terrains as well! They have a date code of 4219 and are all cracking between the tread. Never liked the tire but that's what Ford was putting on the Raptors when I bought the truck. Thanks for the advice on other brands!
I’ve had nothing but bad experience with the KO2s. Definitely recommend the toyo AT or RT over them. Also heard a lot of good feedback on the Mickey AT.
I’ve not had that experience at all with my KO2s. Over 60k with 2 sets. Tread worked great all the way even when I took them off. I’m not blasting on hard rocks though.
Like we said in the video, if you stay on pavement, they last. But offroad they don’t. That being said, a Toyo Rt for example will last 38k offroad, but on pavement guys getting 50-60k miles from a single set.
Did you consider the Milestar Patagonia X/T? What I have experienced so far on pavement from sitting in my friends JL that as them in the size 40x13.5x17. They are remarkably quiet on highway speeds. He absolutely loves them as he uses his Jeep a his daily driver. And finding this tire was a game changer for him, as all the other offering on the market in 40s are MT tires and with them always comes this dreaded tire whine. And Jeeps are loud enough to begin with when it comes to wind noise and such. So be able to at least minimize the tire noise was a godsend and they also have the 3 peak snow rating, that MT's don't get.
Thanks for the reply, and thanks for all your videos. And all the best of luck with those Mickey Thompson🙏. But as for the Patagonia XT. ( that by the way are considerable cheaper then the legacy brands ) I haven't myself really come across lot of RUclipsr on the XT. Much rather the Patagonia MT. I would be interested to listen what they have to say about it. Anyone in particular that comes to mind you might suggest?
Would have to research them. MTs are the ones I’ve seen as well. Seems like every big offroad RUclipsr I follow had them for jeeps. But have not heard anyone with a Raptor running them and that is my hesitation. Raptors are heavier by at least 1500+ lbs than jeeps. And we’ve seen guys swear by KO2s and KM3s with those lighter vehicles. But the extra weight makes a difference and is Raptor guys have a different experience. Will have to do some research h on the milestar XTs to see if it’s something worth trying in the future
The one that failed looks like a heat failure, under inflated/overloaded, overspeed, overheated tire core and it seperated/cap-core.. what was your wheel speed playimg in the sand aired down??? Amy tire will fail if overheated or over speeded... 16:16 the tire you picked is a old dick cepek design with 2ply sidewall, and are known to not take abuse well.... (i live in rock and granite country) I have run ko2 and km3 on my land cruisers for many years have a set that have been running in the rocks are 8+ years old, and lots of miles at 20psi in rocks, with 7k lbs on them and they still ballance out with no issues.. Hope you find a tire that works for you...
I run 28 psi and when this happened I was only going 40 mph. Now we do very different off-roading with very different weight vehicles. I do high speed off-roading and run higher pressures display because of the speed. Trucks also can weight up to 7500lbs so we are much heavier and putting different loads on the tires. This happened after a slow section on a smooth down hill. Tire should not have failed the way it did. I’ve seen tires completely shred when someone kept running on it. But here the cords stayed connected to the side wall while the side walls split from the tread. Almost like how a retreaded tire would fail and the tread rip off. Now your off-roading is very different. Your typically going much much slower and running much lower presssure. The KM3 shines in the slow stuff and rocks. But for high speed off-roading, it’s awful.
By far my favorite tire man. You’re going to love them long term and they will outlast every other tire on the market with abuse. I’ve heard of guys getting 50k miles on them with just street driving
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad they act like my wife’s at3s on the pavement and like a set of the original RT’s in the dirt and mud. I’m off-road 70 hours a week with my job and I usually run the Toyo MTs. I have 11,000 miles on these and they still look new.
Not as much as I would like. Glamis gets super busy and it gets way too dangerous for me. I try and hit it in the summer when no one is around. But you have to be up super early to have fun before the heat sets in.
Favor here, if you see this comment.....you mentioned a tire which was not good for snow. I know it's not your thing, but do you have a recommendation for a snowboarding weekend warrior who is looking for the best grip on snow/ice or have any advice a busy dad of 4yo twin boys can find such information? You give clear advice in your videos and I appreciate you. Thank you
I don’t have direct experience but the KO2 is the recommended tire for snow. Guys in the mid west swear by them. But in my experience in SoCal, when it gets wet they are not so grippy. But I don’t see any snow at all. Just rain. But not sure on a place to get better advice. I don’t trust the forums, gotten a lot of bad info there. I rely on friends that I know how they drive and have given me advise that was worked. Most of them are in SoCal so not many snow bunnies here.
I’ve ran BFG all terrains, mud terrains and KM2 and hated them. Numerous flats, terrible on wet roads and loud. Now I run Toyo and they have been great all around. I’ve ran Toyo AT2, AT3, R/T (sucked in snow) and M/T and I’m looking forward to try the new R/T Trails next.
Hell yeah man. My next set may have to be the RT trails. Really like the look of that tire and early review from folks is it’s a quiet tire with a ton of grip but allows you to slide when you want
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad R/T was a good all around tire except in snow. Tough construction like the M/T with similar noise level as the AT3. The new R/T Trail looks like the AT3 but more aggressive. Should be a good tire too.
Yeah, that’s what we always heard. I love them and maybe my next tire will be the Toyo RT trails. I go thru a set about every year to a year and a half or so
👍 I ran Toyo MT on my old daily driver wrangler. I expected the tire noise. I didn’t expect how well they wore with mostly highway and occasional off-road. I decided to try the Baja boss AT’s marketed as 35x10 on my gladiator. They are kinda loud for an AT tire. Hopefully they last and perform as well as the Toyo MT. I do see blizzard conditions in the Great Lakes region, but the last couple of years have been disappointing for snowfall.
Good to know on the Toyo MTs. Always been a fan of the Toyo tires. I’m hoping my Baja boss EXPs last. The do make way more noise than I would like. But so far the green has been amazing
How many miles you getting out of them? I’ve heard a lot of complaints on the general grabbers. From issues with grip, to longevity and voice complaints. What rig are you running them on and what’s your experience been with them offroad?
@KeepItDirtyOffRoad The last set I got about 70k miles out of them before they started chunking out. I was pretty hard on them off-road. I never got a puncture in them. They got pretty good grip in my experience. And they are that loud. I've heard k02's that are louder
Ive had a few pair of BFG. i recentlt swithched to MT BAJA EXP'S. I BOUGHT them because they were cheao, but they have been great , they get quiet on highway, great in rain and dont ming being aired down. I do 90 mph to work 5 days a week, and have put hundreds of miles on them hunting. Hell i even had a 2.5" screw in them and no leak. Great tire for price. I got my 33's for 165 $ on sale.
I have the EXP's on a Dodge 250 Cummins. They ride just as smooth as the highway tires and feel very solid. Hopefully they keep me out of trouble. I can hear a slight hum when I let off the accelerator so I will probably take a small mpg hit but that's life.
Well that’s not good. What issues have you had? So far I hate the noise. With they were quieter but the outside mud terrain treads will always make noise. But the grip so far has been impressive. Too a turn super hard this weekend and didn’t even hear a chirp from them. Nothing but grip. So so far on pavement they have been good. I need to test them offroad to see how they do there
Wow it sure sounds like BFG’s have gone down hill. There was a time I wouldn’t run anything but BFG M/Ts. I routinely got 40,000 miles out of them. They did great in the snow and in the dunes. I guess I’ll have to check out the Nitro’s that everyone seems to like.
Nitto or Toyo’s are good and also hearing good feedback on Mickeys. But yeah man. For me it started with the KO2s and multiple sets barely lasting and now ended with this KM3 treat separating. With how expensive these tires are I need a tire that will last with heavy off-roading
That’s odd because those KM3 are the preferred tire at KOH, Parker 250, Parker 400, Blue Water Desert Challenge, Laughlin Desert Classic, well Best In The Desert Challenge. Yeah I think COVID messed everything up.
I think you’re confusing preferred and sponsored. BFG sponsors most of those events and racer prefer the KR tires over the KM tires. KRs are for racing too and don’t do well on the street. Now I do I agree that Covid played a role in my shitty KM3s. But not the crappy KO2s. Those have been awful for years
I put the exp's on my dodge 250 cummins and they ride every bit as smooth as the highway tires they replaced. There is a quiet hum but not enough to bother. It may get louder as they wear down but so far no problems. It's a truck not a Cadillac.
Oh Gosh! I remember our 2010 Raptor had BFgoodrich Ko's and they had a lot of dry rot but great tread left and I was always paranoid of a blow out, so we switched to Ko2's and I do see they are safer but I had considered going with KM3's and thankfully I didn't and your video is an awesome representation of how KM3's are not it! As always awesome video! love the channel always!
I had numerous sets of KM2’s and loved them! Gave the KM3’s a couple shakes and they’re awful! Out of a set of 5, 3 we’re out of round and had to be sent back.
In 2020 I bought a set of 315 70/17 KM3’s for my ram power wagon and they had a horrible shake. Several tires were out of round. A month later I bought the KO2’s and same thing. They used to be amazing tires but the quality has turned to shit! I bought a set of falken mt’s and was very pleased at the increase in traction in the dry and wet. I have a 23’ Raptor now and want to replace the KO2’s that are on it but can’t find another off road tire with the 113mph speed rating
Yeah, most offroad tires don’t have a high speed rating. But plenty using them at high speed on the dry lake beds. The only reason the truck is limited to 106mph is because side of the tires
Yeah. KR2s would be cool to try but I’ve heard they wear out quick on pavement. Since dirt is always hours away, they would waste away quick and they are super expensive. I don’t trailer my truck so that’s a concern. But yeah man. The extra grip is great for super super aggressive driving. I could see pro’s having a field day with KM3s on dirt.
I bought a set of KO2s years ago and they only lasted less than 10k miles mostly driving on paved roads, So i replaced them in less than a couple of years. I fully agree with you on having lost confidence in BFG I now run Cooper Discoverer ATRs on both my trucks, never had a problem with them, they last, offer great traction on/off road and are not expensive. I dont think Cooper sells them in the USofA tho :(
I’m actually hearing more and more from guys about cooper tires. Good to hear your having a good experience with them and may have to try them out in the future
They are quieter sure, but they are 10-15lbs heavier. The EXP are 70lbs and have a good mix of both MT and AT treat and have been great on the trails for me.
🤷♂️ it depends on the off-roading you do. But I’ve had nothing but bad experiences with BGF on the KO2s and the KM3s on my Raptors over the years running SoCal trails fast
Ok. So that explains it. No offence but the Carli trucks with the 2.5pin top is not hitting the speeds we do on the raptors. Trails here are also much rougher. Lots of sharp rocks to chew up the tires. The BFG compound wears quickly on the trails here. On flat road or pavement, they last, but on rough roads at speed, they wear quickly and most raptor guys that offroad see max 20k miles on them here
Incorrect!! Raptors came with KO2s in D and C. Some came with D on the truck and the spare was a C rated tire. Some had D all around. Cs had a sticker on them for temp use only were the quickest to waste away. I’ve also tried E rated and those lasted a bit longer, but still only 24k miles. Far short of what they should get. That’s why no one caught it. B cause there was nothing to catch.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadYes, K02s which are All-Terrains but D rated as a majority, at least for Gen-1s by Ford, but surprised they came with Load Range Cs; Yikes!!! I'm curious how many came that way from Ford with Cs?!?!??? I'm sure they are more comfy; as, Es I hated after a few thousand miles and rode like crap after half-tread. Ds are the mid-point. Good thing you can get them now. There for a while BFG weren't making Ds.
Yeah, E rated tires ride rough. Not enough give in the side wall. D rated is just right. The C rated tires were part of the gen2 from 2017. Ford did it to same money. Penny pinching at its finest that adds up over thousands of builds. Never would have seen that on the heavier gen1
A lot of mixed reviews, on all these tires. So I don’t know what to do. I’ve had my KO2 for 40K miles and they have been great. I go hard on them in every terrain. But I’m in the market for some new tires soon. Doesn’t matter what tires you run when your PILT. Keep dim vids comin
I don’t see how it’s possible man. Unless you going super slow. I’ve seen too many sets on my own truck, and other trucks wear away quick of hard packed and rocks we have around here.
I feel that BFG built a tire for looks, not for performance. I've had toyo and nitto tires for a while. However, I disliked the RT when I was out in Florida. It is terrible in the soup, Ultimately, you need a dedicated mud tire. I've run toyo MTs for the better part of 100k between 2 sets, and my most recent set of tires is a severe letdown. I had 2 have failures which Americans tire did replace for 130 bucks total, due to the certs, however I truly think it was covid manufacturing cuts I'm gonna try the Yoko XAT next.
I think you’re on the right track with BFG. The KO2 is like a Prius tire to me. Low resistance for street driving. Not really an off-road tire. But I think there may be something to the Covid theory. Maybe due to supply shortages or something they cut corners or something. But I’ve been getting a ton of pic sent to me today of bad blowouts with KO2s and KM3s
@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I've seen it happen. I have a set of nitto trail grapplers that have been on my gen1 for about a year now completely dry rotted. Purchased new, but I did let the truck sit for about 2yrs. I seen it happen here I'm nyc on passenger vehicles also. Same exact damage as your tire. And I had that same damage ironically enough with bfg all seasons on one of my summer cars
Toyo RT is by far the worst tire I’ve ever used. They suck in sand and are downright dangerous in the rain. Everyone has their own preference and experiences though
That’s not been mine or a ton of guys around us in SoCal. And when it comes to rain, the KO2s are by far the at more slippery. Where are you based? We hear a lot of complaints from guys in the Midwest where you get a lot of snow. They are definitely not a snow tire at all. But sand, hard pack dirt, and rain in the southwest, this is one of the best tires
Central coast, the ko2 is a great tire for sand but they cup,wear out too quickly and are terrible on noise. Cooper used to have that same seperation you experienced back in the early 2000’s with the tread separating from the carcass/ casing. Bfg never usually last long enough to seperate lol.
Not sponsored because you have to disclose that. So wrong. Pics of the shit performance of BFG tires I shown and just read the comments. Plenty have similar experiences Oh yeah and let’s not forget, if you actually watched the end we also say any tire we will try and get you a deal on. And the ONLY ONE we recommended was the Toyota RTs. Last time I checked they were a completely different company.
We did talk about that. In the wet they do better than the KO2s. But we hear a lot that RTs suck in the snow. We don’t get much snow here. For trail riding, the RTs is the better tire. If you live in drier climates like the southwest, the RTs is the better tire. But if you get a lot of snow, it’s not a great tire for you.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad oh I know, I did watch all of your video. I just remember when tire shopping and comparing the ridge grappler and RT, their main similarity was the “bad” wet and snow performance in a majority of the reviews
Imagine driving a truck with off road tires and noise being a concern or complaint. Shouldn't even be factored into offroad performance. Buy highway tires if noise in a concern lol
🤣🤣 in the real world it is. Some of us drive these trucks on the road too. Many daily their trucks. We not trailing these trucks between trails. We using them to their full potential and noise matters. It may not matter to you. But imaging being delusional enough to think everyone thinks like you do.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad it was a comment to your video, nothing personal my man. I've driven on every mud tire out there. I don't trailer to the trail myself but if noise was a concern I wouldn't be driving a truck, let alone on mud tires.
See for these kind of trucks, those that go fast offroad, a mud tire just sucks. Fast off-roading is better suited with AT or Hybrid tread tires. You look at race tires for TTs and all that they are closer to a hybrid tread as well. It’s what works best for this kind of off-roading and those tires are very quiet. This is my first mud tire on this truck and it sucked. Grip was inconsistent and they sucked so bad in the sand. Mud tires are better suited for the rocks. Not of a prerunner.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad totally agree with you there. I'm more in the hardcore 4x4 wheeler scene, none of use are flying through the desert at 60+mph lol. I've always kept my rigs streetable but some don't. My only concern is traction and high floatation. Different tires for different needs. Been working on trucks for over a decade professionally. I have driven on them all.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad REALLY??? LOVE your F'N VIDEOS. whoops cap lock was on#@&! I was stuck with a 06 f150. Perfect condition from Texas. Could not sell it..seriously. Without knowing raptors existed ...I went at converting my truck Into a cool street 4 wheeler. I spent 5 months. And hundreds of hours; searching for merchandise and how to remove existing shit and Install new. 6" R.C. coil over suspension. Fiberwerx gen. 1 RAPTOR front fenders. 37" Faulkner AT tires. Quite..like silk!! N-FAB front bumper w/4-7" HELAX round lamps. Exhaust cut out..adds 20hp Rollers followers, VCT solenoids, phasers, timing chains, tensioners, guides, steering pump, spark plugs, high velocity oil pump all replaced. S&B cool air concealed intake ARIES 2 step electric running boards..nothing like it on the market LED exhaust tip...simulates flames exiting exhaust LED side markers on flairs and front fenders LED FORD front and rear emblems. PA system CB DASH/MOBILE system. Rear ranch hand cab protector w/side rails. Lanoleum rust proofed...super cool product!! Double din front dash cam rear camera system. I f'n painted the rear flairs and front fenders to match the truck exterior. I think I spent $15,000 on parts. Engine was $5,000 in parts. I had no prior experience working on trucks. I am breaking in engine now. Truck runs smooth as silk on pavement. It's a one of a kind 06 F150. I admit the superiority of the raptor trucks. My truck on the trails you run. It would leave half the parts flying in the air...I'd probably end up on my roof. So; I absolutely know its limitations. Yes; I would have loved a raptor to make better. It just wasn't meant to be. I wish you many years of 4 wheel truck excitement. Keep the faith!!!! Smoke cigarettes......
Wow man. That’s a lot of work. Some of the best builds out there were made and not bought. Cred definitely goes out to you for making something that works for you.
Absolutely used and abused the KM3's on my JLU Rubicon. 42,500 miles when I traded them and the tires still had 8/32nds. Drove cross country twice from VA-Montana and then VA-Utah. Miles and miles of trails mud snow rock crawling moab. Started getting loud around 35k miles but nothing like your video. Had great experiences with Ko2's in the past and hated the KM2's but the km3's made me feel unstoppable off road.
We actually heard that a lot from jeeps and Tacomas running KO2s and KM3s. I think weight plays a big factor. Raptors are usually 1500 lbs heavier. Mine is at 7000 lbs empty. So weight definitely impacts noise and wear for sure.
Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T will be my next tire.
👍👍 good choice
We just put em on my son's truck and they are awesome!!
Great video, how have the tires held up? I'm currently running baja boss at tires on my 2014 raptor and I'm really curious how the noise compares to the legend exp. The baja boss at has gotten louder and stiffer over the last 45 thousand miles, a majority street. But were very quiet compared to some Goodyear duratracs i had before. Have you been able to compare road noise between the legend exp and baja boss at?
They have been very quiet so far. Mine were initially loud but it had more to do with my hubs going out than the tires. Once I got new hubs on the truck, they have been extremely quiet considering the tread. Been really happy with them offroad as well and they lasting really good
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad thanks for the update! I'm gonna look into these for my next tire. Keep up the good work with the videos!
Gen 1 raptor owner made the switch from K02s to toyo AT3'S and will never look back I've had many sets of KO2s and these blow them away.
I wish they made them in a 37x13.5r17. But it is what it is
That’s what I heard a lot on the Toyos. They make the RTs in 13.5, they are harder to get and are a bit louder but maybe something to look at. That’s what I wanted to get originally.
K02 6 ply or 10 ply?
Hi good day, is the noise on the Mickeys bad?
We put an audio clip in the video. It’s definitely louder than I would like. Not as bad as the KM3s, but still loud
My cooper stt pros 37x13.5 r17. I use balancing beads and have very little road noise and smooth as silk at 90.
Hmm not sure I believe it after looking up a pic of the tire. Maybe it’s because you’re in a lighter Jeep. As it stands, jeeps have a very loud cabin. Impossible to properly treat because the top is designed to come off. So sounds would carry very differently in a Jeep too.
@KeepItDirtyOffRoad being lighter could help, i also had the trail grapplers on a gx I used to have and those were a little louder. There are a few rigs out here in CO we wheel with and also are big fan of the cooper's. It's one of the only mud and snow rated mud tires. If your at KOH this year. I'll take yah for a ride lol!
Weight definitely matters. I’ve seen KO2s last much longer on lighter Tacomas. But waste away on the heavier f150s. For a Jeep I would definitely deal with the noise to rock crawl those tires. I bet the KM3s have great grip and flex for jeeping
Thanks for the video and I agree, my K02s lost almost all their grip while driving in the rain when I was stationed in Florida. It rained there so much I had to get rid of them ASAP because of the possibility of hydroplaning. Truthfully, the best tire I have ever owned is the Hankook Dynapro AT2 Xtreme. Relatively quiet, smooth on the pavement, plenty of grip while off-roading and sticky in the rain. Also come with a warranty and the tread is wearing slowly. My one knock on them is that they do run a bit narrow as compared to other 12.5s.
I had the same experience K02s are trash
Midwest gen 1 raptor here, I stand by my KO2's , 72k miles on my original tires & still going with no noise or vibrations.
Yeah we mostly hear it from the Midwest guys. Are you Mostly on pavement? What kind of trail you running offroad?
Here in SoCal and Baja, trails can get pretty rough and they chew up any tire. So the KO2s wear out quick down here. I haven’t don’t much off-roading in the Midwest. What I have hit was just sand and some forest trails that were pretty tame. Nothing like the sand and rocks we see down here.
How are the tires holding up?
So far they have held up great. We did a quick update on the Instagram a few weeks back, but tires still look new after 5k miles and the grip from them has been awesome. Only drawback is noise. They are noisy. But so far worth it because of the grip
I've had about 8-10 sets of km2 all heavy rocky high speed offroad and never had a problem
On what kinds of rig?
Weight matters. Heavier full size truck experience is way different to the lighter jeeps and small trucks.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad linked desert trucks rangers and full sizes.
@KeepItDirtyOffRoad also on 3/4 ton trucks they were totally fine in the sharp rocks ect. Honestly never got 1 flat ever with a greasewood stick in the sidewall.
Prerunners I could definitely see working right. Specially if you have the power and a cage to push it. Also these do great on slow stuff. They are designed to flex more than other tires for crawling.
But KM3 are different than the KM2s. And a lot are complaining of issues what everyone is calling COVID tires. From out of round to similar failures like mine. All within the last 2 years.
@KeepItDirtyOffRoad yeah I can see that, everything went south during that time even build quality of rvs
Tire beads for constant balacing?
Yeah, I looked into them. I think Americas tire won’t work on tires with them or voids a warranty or something like that for not using them.
I am going to look into buying size 285/75R27 MT baja boss A/T tires to replaxe the stock Goodyear territory m/t tires that came on my 2024 colorafo zr2 truck
You will definitely like them man. Cost is lower and grip and longevity have been great.
Funny no one else is saying this and I can attest to them being great tires. The road noise on my KM3 37x13.50x20R tires is the lowest I've ever had with ANY mud terrain and that is a fact. Have you even considered you got a bad batch of covid tires? Cooper has reported similar poor quality with tires manufactured during this time as well and there are probably more. Then you could just be bashing BFG so they reach out to you so 'make it right' and offer you a fresh set lmao.
Check the comments man. Lots of guys having the same issues. Getting tons of pictures too sent to me on IG of guys having similar blow outs and same issues with noice and KO2s wearing out quick.
It really depends on what you’re running them on. Jeeps and light duty trucks love them. Low noise, great grip and they last. But those running them on full size trucks have a different experience. Then there is the raptor factor where we are running much faster and just have different needs from a tire. The KM3 is just the wrong tire for high speed off-roading.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I’ve got thousands of Baja miles on my KM3s and they were great. Same with others on Facebook. We get it, you’re biased for sales. No need to bash a solid tire. And yes we drive Raptors and we don’t drive slow.
🤣🤣 biased for sales. That’s hilarious. You obviously did not watch the video. I backed up my comments. Showed was I was talking about. It’s my opinions based on real world experience. And I showed more than one tire here. Shit I even recommend another tire.
On top of it all, you basing your comments based on a small sampling on Facebook. Check the real world man. Lots of opinions out there and the guys that trust BFGs are in the minority. Specially because BFG has let them down the last few years.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad RUclips is a random sampling of anyone that might use the tire. I’m talking specifically about the Ford Raptor groups where guys have had great experience with BFG. Honestly your channel has kinda gone down hill. It’s been more of a bitchfest against SVC and now BFG. Maybe go off-road and stop worrying so much about green paint and strapping speakers down 😂
Like I said. Limited sampling. Haters going to hate anyone that has a different opinion for their own. I didn’t just give an opinion. I backed my opinion up.
Anyways dude. That forum is one of the most toxic forums out there. Lots of bad advice from guys that don’t offroad. I followed advise from those forums early on and quickly realized most of guys that comment there don’t offroad on the harsh trails of SoCal and Baja much. Bunch of guys that only hit fire roads or tracks and maybe go out a hand full a times. It’s the main reason I started this channel. Because the advise was so bad and way off. If you can’t see that, you’re part of the problem.
That’s crazy. I have KM3s 39x13.5 and have over 40k miles on them. They have been in rain, snow, mud, sand, rock crawling, etc…and I’ve had no problems with them considering the abuse I put them through. Traction has been great especially considering I don’t have lockers. I just finished the Rubicon 2 weeks ago and went up Cadillac Hill in the rain with only LSD in the rear and open diff in the front. They are still pretty quiet on the road. I might run them again, but they have went up in price by about $250 a tire since I purchased them in 2021.
There is the key right there. Based on the tracks you hit in guessing these are on a Jeep or small truck.
We always hear from you guys that they are great. But you guys are much lighter than the full size trucks by at least 1500lbs or more and some of those rigs don’t hit the speeds we do. Raptors don’t keep grip to crawl, we rarely crawl them. We need the ability to go fast and slide a turn to keep momentum. KM3s grip mid slide unpredictably and have a ton of extra noise with a heavier load. Different offroad requires different tires. KM3s are at home with low pressure climbing rocks and that’s what they are means for. Not prerunning trails at high speeds
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad that makes perfect sense. I have a JT.
Man I have a couple year old General Grabber X3s and they're not nearly as loud as your tires. Thats wild.
Really? I’ve heard the generals are loud. I like the look of them but I’ve avoided them because of the noise complaints
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Nope, I'm coming up on 30k miles and they keep chugging along. I've done 2 cross country trips with them and they're fantastic. Tons of offroading in California, Arizona, Utah and Colorado and they have minimal chunking. The original General Grabbers that were super popular on desert trucks before the X3s came out are pretty loud so I wonder if some of their reputation rubbed off onto the X3s.
That could be why. I remember talking to a guy a fusion offroad that hated them. He was racing on them and they drove him nuts
Grabbers are quieter than KM3s, I’ve had both, went back to X3s
Any thoughts on the BFGoodrich KO3s tbat are about to drop in 35s? Interesting that the Ranger Raptor came spec'd with the K03s (albeit in a smaller size), but not the EcoBoost Raptor F-150 and not the R....that said, I did see a RUclips video earlier today where a guy compared KO3s that came spec'd as original equipment on some vehicles ~1-2 years ago and the ones that are now being released...it seems BFG did a bunch of updates to the tread pattern and siping on the K03. Also, if load range C is too light for the V6 F-150 Raptor, any thoughts on why Ford kept them on the heavier V8 R? Thx and appreciate the content!
I had a discussion with a BFG rep at the mint 400 last year on them. They had them side by side and yeah. I was not impressed. As he put it, it’s a more street focused ride than the KO2 was. They tried to address the main issue with the KO2 and they wanted them quieter and better wet performance. The KO2 is awful in the rain. So they improved on road performance. Not offroad performance. Its the same compound so they are not going to last and we’ve already seen issues on social with shops having similar issues as the KO2 with balancing the tires and vibrations on the road.
When are you going to make an updated truck video? Or any trail videos with some runs in it?
We got some truck updates and run videos in the works. It’s just been tough to get out. Most of our favorite trails in the Mojave and Death Valley were closed due to severe damage from all the rain we got here recently. DV just barely reopened partially this weekend and Mojave is finally fully open so hopefully sooner will be back out with some videos here
Always have loved Cooper or Cooper made tires which MTs were made by but now that Cooper was purchased by Goodyear last year they fall under the Goodyear umbrella and I'll need to revisit them.
Nice. We need more real world testing of other brands out there. BFGs have been so bad for me and I feel like people that barely offroad are always giving them glowing reviews
Hey boss, any update on how you are liking these after while? I’m considering a set to replace my Grabber ATXs. I’m just a little wary of running a tire with a 2 ply sidewall because I don’t want to run the risk of a puncture.
So far so good man. Grip has been great and after 5k miles they look great. Only drawback has been noise. They are noisy. Not as bad as KM3s, but still noisy on the hwy
Awesome, thanks for the reply! Glad to hear they have been holding up off road and not exploding like those KM3’s 😂
Yeah man. With the KM3s the grip was inconsistent and for the most part I was just along for the ride sometimes. Either way the mickeys, where ever I point the truck she goes. Very good grip offroad. And they provide good grip on pavement too.
That’s great to hear. I drive my truck all over the country and do a good amount of off roading so I need a tire that can do both. The low weight is what really drew me to them in the first place.
I love my BFG km3 tires got 50,000 miles on them and no problems. I would love your other 3 tires,
Only way that’s happening is if it’s mainly pavement
I just put Toyo R/T Trails on my '17 Raptor. I love them. Quiet, unlike my old Toyo M/Ts, and still very capable.
That’s a tire I want to try next. The RTs were the best it’s I’ve ran and I’ve heard the trails are better
I’m running Baja boss ats which are more of a mud terrain but not full. They have the siping on the tread blocks. They are quiet still after 14k miles and look very good still. Probably another 20-30k I can get out of these no problem. 1500 off road miles so far. Did Moab and Colorado pretty hard. They grip and they are hard to break loose in the rain with moderate to slight heavy throttle. These exps interest me due to weight. The Baja bosses are a bit heavier. They do bogg some in the sand. Granted I went out at full pressure as I was lazy and didn’t bring a compressor
lol. I feel you there. Going to be giving these a proper test and will post a review once we really put some miles on them
Good to hear some real world wear feedback, our Suburban came with Goodyear Trailrunner ATs and honestly they're by far the worst off road tire I've ever experienced, we bought the truck a year and a half ago and I've replaced one tire, patched two more, and now I've got another slow leak and forget mud. They instantly turn into drag slicks the second they touch this Southern California clay gunk. I'm currently looking at the Falken Wildpeak AT3W and the MT Baja Boss AT in a load range E but it seems like 90% of the reviews I'm reading/seeing are on little Tacomas and Wranglers far lighter than this 3 ton boar.
You should try the kanda klever at 2 I’m on my second winter on them and love them great around tires!!!!
Never heard of them. Is the spelling you show in the comment right?
Spell check is messing me up It’s Kenda Klever At 2 , quiet on Hwy and great in mud snow and ice
Ah ok. Figure it was auto correct getting you. Will need to look them up.
I've ran the same tires you have.. and in different sizes. The ones I've been stuck on now have been the Nitto Ridge Grapplers in 37x17s. All my trucks are running them. Great tread wear and life. Great mild offroad tire for towing rigs.
Great offroad tires for actual wheeling, and also highway tires.. decent in rain, but honestly nit as great in snow and ice, as the bfg KO2s are. Only reason I loved the KO2s were because of snow days and traction on snowed in roads/trails. Just hated how fast they wore out.
But Ridge Grapplers have taken a beating and still lots of life and balance out well. I recommend you try them out. Keep up the great content sir 🤘🏼
The ridge grapplers are basically the same as my favorite tire Toyo RT. Same compound and everything just slightly different pattern. So yeah man. Great tires for sure
@@eltwitch9469 I have not run them personally but the Falken wildpeak at3w's are also widely considered to be great all around tires including winter performance and durable tread life. I see them on tons of work trucks here in the Midwest. I have the EXP's and they are great for summer, towing, smooth ride and solid handling but I run snow tires in the winter.
Great content!! How should I get in touch with you about a good deal on those Mickey ESP's. I've been looking at switching out my cooper stt pros for the ESP's. Thanks again for the content, keep up the good work 🤙🏼🤙🏼
You can shoot me an email or send me a DM over Instagram. Both linked in the video.
Wasn't sure if it was just me, but I have always had what I thought was bad luck with BFG. I had multiple sidewall punches on my personal vehicle. When I was a wildland firefighter, we ran them on our vehicles their were multiple times all 3 of our trucks were running on spares we were popping them so fast we were thinking we are screwed if another one pops. Even had one blow out on the freeway heading to a fire big noise a lot of dust knocked out from under the truck and huge swerve luckily I didn't crash.
I’ve had a similar experience with BFGs over the years. And heard many others have the same. Not sure why so many people are in love with them, but I’ll never run them again.
Maybe most people never never put them to the test going off road.
I have owned several set of KO’s and ko2’s over the years my last set was horrible only got 8k miles on them and needed to be replaced. Bfg said they would replace them took them to the tire shop they told me to go to and was told they looked like that because I drove a diesel. After 3 months of trying to get them replaced I went to Les Schwab and bought a set of back country m/t’s and so far I have been happy with them
I've ran both the Cooper ST Maxx and the Dick Cepek Trail country EXPs on my F250 with the powerstroke. Both in load range E and got real good mileage out of them and performed real well even in Moab with the big girl. I would imagine these should have similar performance as the Trail country Exps, since these took there place after Goodyear got rid of the Dick Cepek name and is just Mickey Thompson now. I believe the Coopers have a better sidewall though, but neither had any issues on the rocks.
I had always had bad luck with bfg from slick to off-road tires. Mild performance and blowouts.
Me too. Not sure why they have so many fanboys.
I am finished with my worthless KO2 All-Terrains as well! They have a date code of 4219 and are all cracking between the tread. Never liked the tire but that's what Ford was putting on the Raptors when I bought the truck. Thanks for the advice on other brands!
I’ve had nothing but bad experience with the KO2s. Definitely recommend the toyo AT or RT over them. Also heard a lot of good feedback on the Mickey AT.
Have you had any feedback on the Nitto Ridge Grappler?@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad
I’ve not had that experience at all with my KO2s. Over 60k with 2 sets. Tread worked great all the way even when I took them off. I’m not blasting on hard rocks though.
Like we said in the video, if you stay on pavement, they last. But offroad they don’t.
That being said, a Toyo Rt for example will last 38k offroad, but on pavement guys getting 50-60k miles from a single set.
Did you consider the Milestar Patagonia X/T?
What I have experienced so far on pavement from sitting in my friends JL that as them in the size 40x13.5x17. They are remarkably quiet on highway speeds. He absolutely loves them as he uses his Jeep a his daily driver. And finding this tire was a game changer for him, as all the other offering on the market in 40s are MT tires and with them always comes this dreaded tire whine. And Jeeps are loud enough to begin with when it comes to wind noise and such. So be able to at least minimize the tire noise was a godsend and they also have the 3 peak snow rating, that MT's don't get.
I did not. But I know a ton of RUclipsr have been trying them out. Don’t know of any Raptor guys though that run them.
Thanks for the reply, and thanks for all your videos. And all the best of luck with those Mickey Thompson🙏.
But as for the Patagonia XT. ( that by the way are considerable cheaper then the legacy brands )
I haven't myself really come across lot of RUclipsr on the XT. Much rather the Patagonia MT.
I would be interested to listen what they have to say about it. Anyone in particular that comes to mind you might suggest?
Would have to research them. MTs are the ones I’ve seen as well. Seems like every big offroad RUclipsr I follow had them for jeeps.
But have not heard anyone with a Raptor running them and that is my hesitation. Raptors are heavier by at least 1500+ lbs than jeeps. And we’ve seen guys swear by KO2s and KM3s with those lighter vehicles. But the extra weight makes a difference and is Raptor guys have a different experience. Will have to do some research h on the milestar XTs to see if it’s something worth trying in the future
Get Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T or Falken Wildpeak AT3W!!! The 2 best currently.
The one that failed looks like a heat failure, under inflated/overloaded, overspeed, overheated tire core and it seperated/cap-core.. what was your wheel speed playimg in the sand aired down??? Amy tire will fail if overheated or over speeded... 16:16
the tire you picked is a old dick cepek design with 2ply sidewall, and are known to not take abuse well.... (i live in rock and granite country)
I have run ko2 and km3 on my land cruisers for many years have a set that have been running in the rocks are 8+ years old, and lots of miles at 20psi in rocks, with 7k lbs on them and they still ballance out with no issues..
Hope you find a tire that works for you...
I run 28 psi and when this happened I was only going 40 mph.
Now we do very different off-roading with very different weight vehicles. I do high speed off-roading and run higher pressures display because of the speed. Trucks also can weight up to 7500lbs so we are much heavier and putting different loads on the tires.
This happened after a slow section on a smooth down hill. Tire should not have failed the way it did. I’ve seen tires completely shred when someone kept running on it. But here the cords stayed connected to the side wall while the side walls split from the tread. Almost like how a retreaded tire would fail and the tread rip off.
Now your off-roading is very different. Your typically going much much slower and running much lower presssure. The KM3 shines in the slow stuff and rocks. But for high speed off-roading, it’s awful.
I’m running the all new Toyo RT Trails and I really like them so far. Great info
By far my favorite tire man. You’re going to love them long term and they will outlast every other tire on the market with abuse. I’ve heard of guys getting 50k miles on them with just street driving
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad These are the new RT Trail edition they have only been out for like 8 months.
Looks like a new tread pattern for less noise. How are they on the street? I remember my RTs being a little louder than AT tires.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad they act like my wife’s at3s on the pavement and like a set of the original RT’s in the dirt and mud. I’m off-road 70 hours a week with my job and I usually run the Toyo MTs. I have 11,000 miles on these and they still look new.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad My truck is a 2017 f350 single wheel diesel leveling kit and 37x12.50R17 method hd wheels
Do you ever go out to the sand dunes and have fun?
Not as much as I would like. Glamis gets super busy and it gets way too dangerous for me. I try and hit it in the summer when no one is around. But you have to be up super early to have fun before the heat sets in.
Favor here, if you see this comment.....you mentioned a tire which was not good for snow. I know it's not your thing, but do you have a recommendation for a snowboarding weekend warrior who is looking for the best grip on snow/ice or have any advice a busy dad of 4yo twin boys can find such information? You give clear advice in your videos and I appreciate you. Thank you
I don’t have direct experience but the KO2 is the recommended tire for snow. Guys in the mid west swear by them. But in my experience in SoCal, when it gets wet they are not so grippy. But I don’t see any snow at all. Just rain.
But not sure on a place to get better advice. I don’t trust the forums, gotten a lot of bad info there. I rely on friends that I know how they drive and have given me advise that was worked. Most of them are in SoCal so not many snow bunnies here.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Thank you so much for limiting my research time!
I’ve ran BFG all terrains, mud terrains and KM2 and hated them. Numerous flats, terrible on wet roads and loud. Now I run Toyo and they have been great all around. I’ve ran Toyo AT2, AT3, R/T (sucked in snow) and M/T and I’m looking forward to try the new R/T Trails next.
Hell yeah man. My next set may have to be the RT trails. Really like the look of that tire and early review from folks is it’s a quiet tire with a ton of grip but allows you to slide when you want
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad R/T was a good all around tire except in snow. Tough construction like the M/T with similar noise level as the AT3.
The new R/T Trail looks like the AT3 but more aggressive. Should be a good tire too.
Yeah, that’s what we always heard. I love them and maybe my next tire will be the Toyo RT trails. I go thru a set about every year to a year and a half or so
👍 I ran Toyo MT on my old daily driver wrangler. I expected the tire noise. I didn’t expect how well they wore with mostly highway and occasional off-road. I decided to try the Baja boss AT’s marketed as 35x10 on my gladiator. They are kinda loud for an AT tire. Hopefully they last and perform as well as the Toyo MT. I do see blizzard conditions in the Great Lakes region, but the last couple of years have been disappointing for snowfall.
Good to know on the Toyo MTs. Always been a fan of the Toyo tires. I’m hoping my Baja boss EXPs last. The do make way more noise than I would like. But so far the green has been amazing
General grabber x3 have done me very well
How many miles you getting out of them?
I’ve heard a lot of complaints on the general grabbers. From issues with grip, to longevity and voice complaints. What rig are you running them on and what’s your experience been with them offroad?
@KeepItDirtyOffRoad The last set I got about 70k miles out of them before they started chunking out. I was pretty hard on them off-road. I never got a puncture in them.
They got pretty good grip in my experience.
And they are that loud. I've heard k02's that are louder
Hmm may have to give them a second look then on my next set
Ive had a few pair of BFG. i recentlt swithched to MT BAJA EXP'S. I BOUGHT them because they were cheao, but they have been great , they get quiet on highway, great in rain and dont ming being aired down. I do 90 mph to work 5 days a week, and have put hundreds of miles on them hunting. Hell i even had a 2.5" screw in them and no leak. Great tire for price. I got my 33's for 165 $ on sale.
That’s great feedback. And man you got them for a steal. Tired have gotten so expensive lately
I have the EXP's on a Dodge 250 Cummins. They ride just as smooth as the highway tires and feel very solid. Hopefully they keep me out of trouble. I can hear a slight hum when I let off the accelerator so I will probably take a small mpg hit but that's life.
I have the EXP I hate those so bad! Hope you like yours!
Well that’s not good. What issues have you had?
So far I hate the noise. With they were quieter but the outside mud terrain treads will always make noise. But the grip so far has been impressive. Too a turn super hard this weekend and didn’t even hear a chirp from them. Nothing but grip. So so far on pavement they have been good. I need to test them offroad to see how they do there
Wow it sure sounds like BFG’s have gone down hill. There was a time I wouldn’t run anything but BFG M/Ts. I routinely got 40,000 miles out of them. They did great in the snow and in the dunes. I guess I’ll have to check out the Nitro’s that everyone seems to like.
Nitto or Toyo’s are good and also hearing good feedback on Mickeys.
But yeah man. For me it started with the KO2s and multiple sets barely lasting and now ended with this KM3 treat separating. With how expensive these tires are I need a tire that will last with heavy off-roading
That’s odd because those KM3 are the preferred tire at KOH, Parker 250, Parker 400, Blue Water Desert Challenge, Laughlin Desert Classic, well Best In The Desert Challenge. Yeah I think COVID messed everything up.
I think you’re confusing preferred and sponsored. BFG sponsors most of those events and racer prefer the KR tires over the KM tires. KRs are for racing too and don’t do well on the street.
Now I do I agree that Covid played a role in my shitty KM3s. But not the crappy KO2s. Those have been awful for years
I put the exp's on my dodge 250 cummins and they ride every bit as smooth as the highway tires they replaced. There is a quiet hum but not enough to bother. It may get louder as they wear down but so far no problems. It's a truck not a Cadillac.
Yeah, mine quieted down once I replaced my hubs. So far have about 10k miles on them and they have been awesome.
That’s right .. just go out anywhere and have a good time
Oh Gosh! I remember our 2010 Raptor had BFgoodrich Ko's and they had a lot of dry rot but great tread left and I was always paranoid of a blow out, so we switched to Ko2's and I do see they are safer but I had considered going with KM3's and thankfully I didn't and your video is an awesome representation of how KM3's are not it! As always awesome video! love the channel always!
Thanks man. Glad we could help. Look at Nitto’s, Toyo’s , Mickey’s, or Falken. All have great reviews from raptor guys
I had numerous sets of KM2’s and loved them! Gave the KM3’s a couple shakes and they’re awful! Out of a set of 5, 3 we’re out of round and had to be sent back.
Wow man. That’s just crap. We’ve actually heard from quite a few of tires that were not round
Maxxis Razr MT, maybe ?
Maybe. I’m trying to avoid MTs in the future.
In 2020 I bought a set of 315 70/17 KM3’s for my ram power wagon and they had a horrible shake. Several tires were out of round. A month later I bought the KO2’s and same thing. They used to be amazing tires but the quality has turned to shit! I bought a set of falken mt’s and was very pleased at the increase in traction in the dry and wet. I have a 23’ Raptor now and want to replace the KO2’s that are on it but can’t find another off road tire with the 113mph speed rating
Yeah, most offroad tires don’t have a high speed rating. But plenty using them at high speed on the dry lake beds. The only reason the truck is limited to 106mph is because side of the tires
The way you push the truck i think KR2s would be suited for you lol seen you romp KO2s and now KM3s. Glad to see you push them to the limits.
I do run KM3s on my RZR turbo s and you are right for aggressive driving. They do well at night speed but they are a softer compound in the UTV side.
Yeah. KR2s would be cool to try but I’ve heard they wear out quick on pavement. Since dirt is always hours away, they would waste away quick and they are super expensive. I don’t trailer my truck so that’s a concern.
But yeah man. The extra grip is great for super super aggressive driving. I could see pro’s having a field day with KM3s on dirt.
I bought a set of KO2s years ago and they only lasted less than 10k miles mostly driving on paved roads, So i replaced them in less than a couple of years.
I fully agree with you on having lost confidence in BFG
I now run Cooper Discoverer ATRs on both my trucks, never had a problem with them, they last, offer great traction on/off road and are not expensive. I dont think Cooper sells them in the USofA tho :(
I’m actually hearing more and more from guys about cooper tires. Good to hear your having a good experience with them and may have to try them out in the future
Should of gone w Mt boss at's!
They are quieter sure, but they are 10-15lbs heavier. The EXP are 70lbs and have a good mix of both MT and AT treat and have been great on the trails for me.
I have 35K on my current KM3s, far better than Firestone Destination MT2, probably buy a third set this September
I’m guessing it’s primarily pavement miles. Because offroad here in SoCal we are not seeing anywhere near half that
My BFGs MTs have been great. Your experience concerning.
🤷♂️ it depends on the off-roading you do. But I’ve had nothing but bad experiences with BGF on the KO2s and the KM3s on my Raptors over the years running SoCal trails fast
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I'm mostly logging roads, ruts, mud and rocky terrain at moderate speeds. 2021 Ram 2500 Cummins Megacab Carli 2.5 Pintop with everything but the arms.
Ok. So that explains it. No offence but the Carli trucks with the 2.5pin top is not hitting the speeds we do on the raptors. Trails here are also much rougher. Lots of sharp rocks to chew up the tires. The BFG compound wears quickly on the trails here. On flat road or pavement, they last, but on rough roads at speed, they wear quickly and most raptor guys that offroad see max 20k miles on them here
Surprised that no one caught that these were Load Range C. This is too light of tire for the Raptor. They came with Load Range D!
Incorrect!!
Raptors came with KO2s in D and C. Some came with D on the truck and the spare was a C rated tire. Some had D all around. Cs had a sticker on them for temp use only were the quickest to waste away.
I’ve also tried E rated and those lasted a bit longer, but still only 24k miles. Far short of what they should get. That’s why no one caught it. B cause there was nothing to catch.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadYes, K02s which are All-Terrains but D rated as a majority, at least for Gen-1s by Ford, but surprised they came with Load Range Cs; Yikes!!! I'm curious how many came that way from Ford with Cs?!?!??? I'm sure they are more comfy; as, Es I hated after a few thousand miles and rode like crap after half-tread. Ds are the mid-point. Good thing you can get them now. There for a while BFG weren't making Ds.
Yeah, E rated tires ride rough. Not enough give in the side wall. D rated is just right. The C rated tires were part of the gen2 from 2017. Ford did it to same money. Penny pinching at its finest that adds up over thousands of builds. Never would have seen that on the heavier gen1
It's weird how the quality of everything got so much worse yet its price doubled over the last 4 years...
Totally agree. We are paying so much more for less quality across the board on everything
BFG Baja KR or nothing
But aren’t those race tires with a very high price tag and awful grip in the wet?
My new tire im liking atm exo grapplers...ive nvr been a fan of km3s, ko2s yeah. Ive nvr liked mt tires..
A lot of mixed reviews, on all these tires. So I don’t know what to do. I’ve had my KO2 for 40K miles and they have been great. I go hard on them in every terrain. But I’m in the market for some new tires soon. Doesn’t matter what tires you run when your PILT. Keep dim vids comin
40k from KO2s is impressive. What load raising were they and where were you running them?
I run them from Dumont to Glamis to ocotillo. Anza. I only use my raptor for off road.
Hmm you mainly on sand most times? Because on hard packed dirt with rocks, like most SoCal trails, they chew up super quick.
Ocotillo and Anza is hard pack. I’m in riverside so we probably do a lot of the same trails
I don’t see how it’s possible man. Unless you going super slow. I’ve seen too many sets on my own truck, and other trucks wear away quick of hard packed and rocks we have around here.
I feel that BFG built a tire for looks, not for performance.
I've had toyo and nitto tires for a while. However, I disliked the RT when I was out in Florida. It is terrible in the soup, Ultimately, you need a dedicated mud tire. I've run toyo MTs for the better part of 100k between 2 sets, and my most recent set of tires is a severe letdown. I had 2 have failures which Americans tire did replace for 130 bucks total, due to the certs, however I truly think it was covid manufacturing cuts
I'm gonna try the Yoko XAT next.
I think you’re on the right track with BFG. The KO2 is like a Prius tire to me. Low resistance for street driving. Not really an off-road tire.
But I think there may be something to the Covid theory. Maybe due to supply shortages or something they cut corners or something. But I’ve been getting a ton of pic sent to me today of bad blowouts with KO2s and KM3s
Would have been more objective if you used a decibel meter to share how loud or quiet each tire was/is….
Yep, it would have. But I had 1 day to film this video between swapping tires. Had to work with what I had.
Hate all you want. Haters gonna hate.
Nah I’m just kidding.
🤣🤣🤣🤷♂️🤷♂️ would you run that particular set of tires after that blowout?
That type of damage is from a tire that dryrotted from inside out
But it takes a very, very long time for a tire to dry rot. And even the shock was like this tire is too new for that.
@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I've seen it happen. I have a set of nitto trail grapplers that have been on my gen1 for about a year now completely dry rotted. Purchased new, but I did let the truck sit for about 2yrs. I seen it happen here I'm nyc on passenger vehicles also. Same exact damage as your tire. And I had that same damage ironically enough with bfg all seasons on one of my summer cars
Not good to see all these modern compounds failing early. Tired are more than double the cost these days and lasting less and less
cooper pro
Toyo RT is by far the worst tire I’ve ever used. They suck in sand and are downright dangerous in the rain. Everyone has their own preference and experiences though
That’s not been mine or a ton of guys around us in SoCal. And when it comes to rain, the KO2s are by far the at more slippery. Where are you based? We hear a lot of complaints from guys in the Midwest where you get a lot of snow. They are definitely not a snow tire at all. But sand, hard pack dirt, and rain in the southwest, this is one of the best tires
Central coast, the ko2 is a great tire for sand but they cup,wear out too quickly and are terrible on noise. Cooper used to have that same seperation you experienced back in the early 2000’s with the tread separating from the carcass/ casing. Bfg never usually last long enough to seperate lol.
So, its not until the end of the video is it obvious whats going on here. Sponsored by Micky Thomson, so lets bag the competition.
Not sponsored because you have to disclose that. So wrong. Pics of the shit performance of BFG tires I shown and just read the comments. Plenty have similar experiences
Oh yeah and let’s not forget, if you actually watched the end we also say any tire we will try and get you a deal on. And the ONLY ONE we recommended was the Toyota RTs.
Last time I checked they were a completely different company.
Bfg is not a good brand. I had ko2s and they were a complete nightmare.
Yeah. I’ve had the same experience. Every KO2 I’ve had wore out way too quickly. And I was not happy with my experience with the KM3s
Toyo RTs have some of the worst wet/snow reviews though.
We did talk about that. In the wet they do better than the KO2s. But we hear a lot that RTs suck in the snow. We don’t get much snow here. For trail riding, the RTs is the better tire. If you live in drier climates like the southwest, the RTs is the better tire. But if you get a lot of snow, it’s not a great tire for you.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad oh I know, I did watch all of your video. I just remember when tire shopping and comparing the ridge grappler and RT, their main similarity was the “bad” wet and snow performance in a majority of the reviews
Imagine driving a truck with off road tires and noise being a concern or complaint. Shouldn't even be factored into offroad performance. Buy highway tires if noise in a concern lol
🤣🤣 in the real world it is. Some of us drive these trucks on the road too. Many daily their trucks. We not trailing these trucks between trails. We using them to their full potential and noise matters. It may not matter to you. But imaging being delusional enough to think everyone thinks like you do.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad it was a comment to your video, nothing personal my man. I've driven on every mud tire out there. I don't trailer to the trail myself but if noise was a concern I wouldn't be driving a truck, let alone on mud tires.
See for these kind of trucks, those that go fast offroad, a mud tire just sucks. Fast off-roading is better suited with AT or Hybrid tread tires. You look at race tires for TTs and all that they are closer to a hybrid tread as well. It’s what works best for this kind of off-roading and those tires are very quiet. This is my first mud tire on this truck and it sucked. Grip was inconsistent and they sucked so bad in the sand. Mud tires are better suited for the rocks. Not of a prerunner.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad totally agree with you there. I'm more in the hardcore 4x4 wheeler scene, none of use are flying through the desert at 60+mph lol. I've always kept my rigs streetable but some don't. My only concern is traction and high floatation. Different tires for different needs. Been working on trucks for over a decade professionally. I have driven on them all.
Exactly and well said. There are tires for each kind of off-roading. Got to use the right tool for the job at hand.
Stick to ko2’s
Huh. Did you watch the video?
No real man; wears flip flops....I don't care what anybody says!!!!
Smoke cigarettes.....
🤣🤣 you should come down to SoCal and Baja. That’s all they wear 🤷♂️. And if you’re in any mud, barefoot is the way to go.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad REALLY???
LOVE your F'N VIDEOS. whoops cap lock was on#@&!
I was stuck with a 06 f150. Perfect condition from Texas. Could not sell it..seriously. Without knowing raptors existed ...I went at converting my truck Into a cool street 4 wheeler. I spent 5 months. And hundreds of hours; searching for merchandise and how to remove existing shit and Install new.
6" R.C. coil over suspension.
Fiberwerx gen. 1 RAPTOR front fenders.
37" Faulkner AT tires. Quite..like silk!!
N-FAB front bumper w/4-7" HELAX round lamps.
Exhaust cut out..adds 20hp
Rollers followers, VCT solenoids, phasers, timing chains, tensioners, guides, steering pump, spark plugs, high velocity oil pump all replaced.
S&B cool air concealed intake
ARIES 2 step electric running boards..nothing like it on the market
LED exhaust tip...simulates flames exiting exhaust
LED side markers on flairs and front fenders
LED FORD front and rear emblems.
PA system CB DASH/MOBILE system. Rear ranch hand cab protector w/side rails. Lanoleum rust proofed...super cool product!!
Double din front dash cam rear camera system.
I f'n painted the rear flairs and front fenders to match the truck exterior. I think I spent $15,000 on parts. Engine was $5,000 in parts. I had no prior experience working on trucks.
I am breaking in engine now. Truck runs smooth as silk on pavement. It's a one of a kind 06 F150. I admit the superiority of the raptor trucks. My truck on the trails you run. It would leave half the parts flying in the air...I'd probably end up on my roof. So; I absolutely know its limitations.
Yes; I would have loved a raptor to make better. It just wasn't meant to be.
I wish you many years of 4 wheel truck excitement.
Keep the faith!!!!
Smoke cigarettes......
Wow man. That’s a lot of work. Some of the best builds out there were made and not bought. Cred definitely goes out to you for making something that works for you.
It's a mud tire what do you expect they make noise