Apple cider vinegar can help HONEY BEES
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"Apple cider vinegar can help honey bee" is a video I made to introduce to the public a scientific discovery that can be very relevant to many honey bee enthusiasts out there that for sure it will not be at any main scientific media. Honey bee viruses spread by the mite, Varroa destructor are a big problem in apiculture today and we don't have many weapons against it. This scientific study shows that some honey bee viruses can be inactivated in acid environments.
There are several stories about beekeepers trying to use many different house-made solutions to help bees. Beekeepers can swear to god it works but I never could find anything that could explain the claims. In the case of famous beekeeper recipes with apple cider vinegar now we might have a potential explanation.
I will keep bringing news about the honey bee research to the beekeeping community and I hope you enjoy this one.
Let me know your thoughts.
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Like a few others, I would love to know the ratio of apple vinegar solution for spraying on the frame. Thanks for the very educational video
Get a PH strip & test for 5.4. Use water + vinegar or water+sugar+vinegar solution in a 5.4PH solution, adjust the water vs vinegar as needed.
@michaelsabados3829 I was going to say. You can test pH of the water, and measure how much it takes to get the water down to the pH needed. I would use a mixture of the vinegar and Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) to get to the proper pH range. I would probably shoot for a pH around 5.0 to 5.5. Honey IS lower than that. But the bees add some acids in their honey crop and the Honey is more concentrated than sugar syrup. By far.
Don't heat the water to help dissolve the Ascorbic acid, then allow it to cool to around 100F (38C?) For the sugar and organic vinegar. The reason being, the higher the temperature, the more hydroxymethylfurfural is produced when the sucrose splits into separate fructose and glucose molecules. Nectar does naturally have more monosaccharides, such as fructose and glucose; in comparison to sugar water, which is all disaccharide sucrose. But the hydroxymethylfurfural is what can be toxic to bees. It occurs more when higher heat is used to "invert" the sucrose into separate fructose and glucose. The bees do use invertase enzymes and various natural cut bacteria and acids to invert the sugars. All sucrose is hard on their stomachs, but enzymatic inverted sugar showed the least amount of gastrointestinal damage in a study where various feed sources were used. Acid inverted sugar and acid+heat inverted sugar showed more damage than plain sugar syrup. So there is that to be mindful of.
I say organic apple cider vinegar; because unlike regular white vinegar or apple cider vinegar, the organic, non-pasturised vinegar will contain some of the SCOBY (symbiotic culture of bacteria and yeast) used to make the vinegar. These are the microorganisms that bees would naturally encounter in a natural environment, when they encounter fallen fruits as a supplemental source of forage, especially in mid to late fall, or real early spring, just after last frost.
We think of bees as ONLY foraging on flowers. That isn't so simply true. In a natural environment, they also would have damaged or fermenting fruits.
I use acid adjustments to water when making Kilju or Mead; to bring the pH of the water down to 3.5-4.0pH. This is more favorable for the yeast, and reduces the likelihood of more pathogenic microorganisms growing. It also makes for a better end product. It's been about 6 months since I last made some. But I want to say 2g (about 1/4tsp) of pure Ascorbic acid and 2 tsp (10mL?) Got it to about 4pH.
Do be wary of chlorinated tap water or Bottled water. "Antimicrobial disinfectants" are not healthy for the probiotic gut bacteria that help digestion and immune system function.
I have a 2 apple trees in my yard and in the fall I always see the rotten-ish apples just swarmed by honey bees. Maybe they already know it's good for them!
Honeybees rarely rob the juice from fruit, then only in a drought. You're probably seeing yellow jackets that look similar to honeybees.
I have apple trees too. Saw my horses running away from the trees one time, went out and the bees were chasing them away from the fallen apples. Some were definitely flight challenged from the alcohol, the bees not the horses!
So glad you commented, I've seen this too! About 3-4 years back, honeybees were foraging on the rotting apples that were releasing juice, just next door.
@@havebenthere I have seen honey bees lap up spilled mead, and I know the differences between a bee and a yellow jacket
I just found this site. I am so impressed with your thorough questions and explanations. Your presentations are needed in the beekeeping world! Keep up the great work.
Glad it was helpful!
10,000 hives. WOW! And here I was thinking I was at my limit with six.
That is not my biggest client. It can be much more and I am not sure this is a good thing. Cheers.
Interesting , first time I have heard of this theory, learnt something today ,Thank you Humberto.
LOL banging head against the wall LOL
That is the way I feel sometimes. :)
Sounds very interesting I don't think I caught what the ratio of vinegar to water or how much to spray if you could answer that I sure would appreciate it bye now
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that was a very interesting piece. I was told that honey bees do not like Apple Cider Vinegar. In fact, this past Fall i used Apple Cider Vinegar mixed with apple juice and a "squirt" of dishwashing liquid to trap Yellow Jackets. This was very effective in trapping the yellow jackets without attracting any honey bees. I look forward to seeing updates on the topic of apple cider vinegar and honey bees.
As always very informative!
Glad you think so!
It would be interesting if this could be tested in several of the University settings.
I’m glad it works for John.
Working on it. Stay tuned. Thanks for stopping by.
@@InsideTheHiveTVHave you got any new results? Any new information about spraying sugar water /ACV on bees?
Amazing video! Thank you for the help!
Glad you liked it!
Great content as always sir.
Hmmm, I should give this a shot! Thanks.
Thank you! I feed apple cider vinegar to my chickens every couple
If months. Couple of tablespoons in a liter of water. Then I put it in a small waterer so they each drink from that instead of their normal dose. We also used to put a tablespoon on the horse grain to prevent colic. Don’t know about bees though. I think if they process pollen and water into honey at 4-5 pH then they don’t need me to pH their sugar water for them in times of stress. I will wait for the research with interest. ChickieBee Farms
Wow this is a breakthrough for beekeepers. I would like to try this but i dont know the apple cide dilution ratio
I don't know about that, but it is an interesting study about honey bee viruses.
How much apple cider vinegar do people add to 1:1 sugar syrup?
Adding a mushroom tainted drink (drinking water with mushroom soaked in it) has shown an effect on some virrus in bee hives, maybe a combo of these two things would be a value.....
Thank you for your contributions to beekeeping! I do use apple cider to invert the sugar when I feed my bees.
What is the ratio say for 5 gal. Bucket sugar water? How much vinager to use. Thanks
@@beekeeperjohn7616 They sell ph test strips at most pool shops. I can't tell you because my well water is 6.5 pH and other city waters can be an 8 for alkaline water. It would take more to get it acidic. Just add ACV I'll you get a 5ish pH by testing with the strips.
@@erikbeesley5991 thanks for the reply as we are on well water also but will test it to see. It works for me acv three times per day at 1 tbsp each serving with water great stuff. It's got to help the Bee's I've always put some in the sugar water to keep it from formeting but I think the Bee's need more. I going to try around 5 ph it can't hurt. Have 120 hive now so will see. Thanks
@@beekeeperjohn7616 let us know the results please
Eu uso o vinagre de maça no alimento contra .nosema juntamente com uma erva chamada salva para mim tem resoltados
Impressive interpretation. I will try. I like your video.
I am glad you like the video. lease keep in mind that acid can hurt bees. I used the apple cider vinegar as an example to show the research findings. Be careful out there.
That was very interesting. Look forward to further research. I'm thinking this pH level reacearch may very well be a contributing factor to the ferral colonies surviving all of the viruses and pest. Thanks for the continuing scientific research
I will. Thanks for stopping by.
Feral colonies do not survive the viruses. They swarm, they die off and another colony moves into their hive to continue the circle.
I guess it is how one looks at it. All species need the circle to carry on. But ferral colonies do carry on without us. Quite well I think. I had an Ash tree that harbored a bee colony for 20 straight years. I have no idea if there were cyclical die outs. But it was the Ash borer that killed the tree and caused the bees to abscond. My thought is ferral colonies do survive and thrive but indeed some do die off.
@@sherryortiz6791 Where does the swarm come from
@@garyfriend5526 I have a feral colony, and I got a swarm off of it. I’m wondering though, if now since they live in a “box”, if they are still “as hardy” as the hive they left from. I have been hands off in my care of them, except to feed them this past May and into June when I captured them in their swarm. And I watched them all summer. I then added a second deep for them in July because they had filled and capped all the comb in their one deep in such a short time….they didn’t mess around at all! So they now have two. I’ve not opened it since then. They had been active up until late October when our temperatures finally drooped to the low 70’s. Now suddenly I don’t see many at all. We don’t get winter, until February. and if we do get a bad spell it lasts a week at most. We hardly see more then one day below freezing. Then temps are back to being high 50’s into March. And then April to May we have some highs in the 80’s spaced between highs in the mid 50’s. It will be interesting to see how they do. But I have feed them just in my own back yard offering the dried stuff. I’ve not put any feed in their own box. I’m basically feeding any bee that finds it. The feral in my shed as well as any others around the place. I want to keep them as independent as much as possible. I’ll be adding a smaller super with a queen excluded if they make it well to spring.
Do you just spray straight ACV from the bottle or is there a preferred mixture?
It's almost as if bees are healthier if they live on nectar and pollen rather than cheap sugar.
Have you ever tried to make a hive resembling a log inoculated with reishi? Paul Stamets might have some ideas on how to grow some strains of fungi with or along side bees
I have noticed some types of ants like to live around local bract mushrooms, I am suggesting that in the wild these two things are essential; the ant mushroom(reishi) and bee relationship
Ants eat mites👍
So many things to think about. Maybe we can come up with some tests.
Adding that to the hive seems like it would really attract SHB since it’s used in beetle oil traps to attract them to the trap.
One of the best videos. Thank you
Glad you liked it!
Which got me thinking, what is "the ph of propolis"? I did a quick overview and it seems to possibly be around 4? I sure could be wrong but that might explain another part of its antiviral properties. Looking forward to anything else you come up with regarding cider. Either way, cider and or propolis, you opened up and interesting can of worms. Which is fantastic.
Also a direct application of cider rather than in feed could be a clue. I'd like to talk to Marla Spivak U of M on the propolis side. They seemed to have some positive results of a propolis spray solution on the interior of hive boxes. Which begs another question, what were they diluting, making the propolis spray with? Lots of questions but I have to think there are some payway clues out there. Thanks
pH of propolis varies depending on which solvent you extract it and the plant source. Marla is coming to the show soon. Don't tell anybody. ;)
@@InsideTheHiveTV thank you LOL I'm looking forward to hearing from Marla. But the purpose pH I was thinking about was inside the hive itself not extracted. Just a matter of curiosity.
@@InsideTheHiveTV I am going to venture that propolis Ph also has a lot to do with the types of resins the bees collect in order to make propolis.
Very Nice , Thank you
You are welcome
Hey Humberto, I came back to this vid to drop a comment in hopes that you see it. I just got out of a conversation with a buddy who is a chemical engineer. I was asking him about Formic acid. (he had no idea i had started beekeeping and was going to treat for mites.) in asking about formic... he eventually steered the conversation and said, 'but yeah if you can't get ahold of formic, jut use vinegar likely produce similar results.) Considering my first hive STALLED in their 2/3rd months with me, pretty sure i have a high mite load. Saw a single drone with 2 mites on it. Pretty sure i have MANY more, EZ check not arrived yet to do a count. So, in the meantime while the Formic arrives. I decided to use an OA drip. I hated the treatment method. (i use horizontal layens hives.) the liquid bounces off of the bees and lands on the floor. I think that any Acid treatment like this should be put into a Spritz Bottle then use a know quantity of water: say 100 ML or 50ML . Then add a know quality of treatment acid say 5ml formic in the 50ml water, then APPLY IT ALL using the spritz bottle. the reason i say this is because with a spritz bottle you get little droplets resting on the brood cappings. while most of the drip method bounces and falls off, only if the bees walk through it will they have to preen themselves. However, since my buddy said that these acids behave similarly, it would be interesting to see a scientific study where the concentration of vinegar matched that of Formic acid treatments (45%-65%) and see if there is an effect on mites, especially on the brood. Thanks!
Hi Joseph. It will depend what you friend meant about similar. I would assume he meant similar pH which is similar around 3. Apple cider vinegar is a combination of many different acids with different properties. They behave differently. For example you can drink half of a cup of Apple cider vinegar but you can NOT drink formic acid. Please don't even think about it. I think you go tthe point.
How I can prepare that solution of water and Apple cider vinegar?
did they spray undiluted apple cider vinegar? and how often? thanks :-)
Very interesting! is the recipe to this "apple cider vinegar solution" available? Does anyone here do this too? If so, what is your recipe?
My question too.
Problem with avc is that it attracts small hive beetle. If you can control the beetle then I see no issues.
In Georgia SHB are crazy.
SHB are bad in S.C. also. However, with traps in place, it's worth a try.
When introduced apple cider vinegar also contains cultures it might be introducing them for bee gut health as well. Bees and hive have or use multiple LAB cultures and others in there stomachs and in the hive so.... Besides the ph adjustment there's a lot of complex cultures and strains being used and introduced. If the vinager cultures are a positive addition then adding the apple cider vinegar when sugar temperatures low enough (room temp)not to damage the "mother"( the culture will multiply by consuming the sugar so don't wait to long the ph will change if not refrigerated and used within a day even....) you could use one hive white distilled to adjust ph. 2nd hive Apple cider vinegar sugar solutions at appropriate temperatures to not damage the culture and 3rd hive just 1:1 sugar water and see how each hive does..... If i only had access to a lab to test everything after 😔. Great video again
Excellent video
Thank you very much!
How much should be added to a gallon of feed ??
I have always wondered about apple cider vinegar and their seems to be mixed thoughts on this subject so thank you for sharing your perspectives...where is propolis on the PH scale? I wonder if the acidity of the vinegar helps somehow?
I will start to touch base these controversial topics and try to find potential explanations in the scientific literature. Wish me luck. ;) Propolis pH varies depending of the plant source and mainly on what do you use to extract the compounds.
Sean, I learnt that propolis helps us with brown Adipose ( fat ) production❕ That is the preferred fat in our bodies that help us with our metabolism.
Yes, I Agee it would be interesting to know of the acidity pH of propolis❣
@@kristinawhite7881 a quick Google on the pH of tree Saps (where propolis starts) shows around 4.5-6.8 for a lot of various trees. And some sources suggest that anything over 6.8pH could be indicative of susceptibility to various free diseases and infections. So... alkaline water is BIRDPOOP and acidic water is healthier. Lol
In all serious though. I have found a common correlation between pathogenic microorganisms and viruses that need an environment above 6.5pH in order to flourish and grow effectively.
While more of your more common beneficial microorganisms seem to thrive better in an acidic environment. That isn't to say there aren't any pathogenic microorganisms, or even beneficial microorganisms that are prone to overgrowth (Candida Albicans being a prime example. It's necessary to our bodies. But with common high sugar and preservative heavy diets, it's very easy for it to reach problematic overgrowth and cause health issues). But for general, all around "err on the side of caution"... having done home brewing and mead/wine making for a couple years, there's this old wives take paranoia "you'll kill yourself with botulism"... which amply isn't true. The years prefer a solution/environment below 5.5 and the closer you get to 4.0 the better. While botulinum... from around 5.5pH it started to struggle, and when you reach 2.75pH you have no chance of that botulinum growing without any rare and virtually impossible mutation to the bacteria itself. And that's without competing microorganisms. So I pH adjust down to between 3.5 and 5.0 and call it good. I like lower because the yeast seem to like lower, and put out less "off flavors".
However, I think part of the secret to Apple cider vinegar is the organic/unpasteurized apple cider vinegar with the SCOBY bacteria and yeast that make it. They're somewhat beneficial microorganisms which help to break down and convert substances, especially sugars, into other compounds that the body needs. They basically do the digestion for you. They also help to fight off and displace other harmful microorganisms.
And, bees jn a natural environment, devoid of humans, would have plenty of access to fruit that is starting to rot or ferment as means of supplemental sugars, nutrients, etc. And woukd be also getting these microorganisms in the process.
Interesting
Hmmm? 🤔 Did you just say ascorbic acid maybe orange pill can do the trick to because oranges or other citrus fruits contains ascorbic acid
Very interesting. But what should be the water to vinegar ratio? Or vinegar to sugar water when feeding?
Some beekeepers are using 10% and others 20%
Thanks doc.
You are welcome
It would make sense that oxalic dribble would achieve the same affect
If the concept is true I would say yes. acid pH will open the virus capsid. However, keep in mind that acid in general might hurt bees and I only use the apple cider vinegar as a vehicle to show a interesting research find. Be careful.
also formic acid... it penetrates the wax cappings of the brood, formic pro is approved for use duringa honeyflow. I saw amazing results this year
I WILL CHECK IT OUT,,,, 1ST ✋,,,, THANKS MUCH
C’est très bien, mais on aimerait savoir quelle est la méthode employée, le dosage, la fréquence d’utilisation… Moi, ça m’intéresse beaucoup.
Je prévois de faire une vidéo dédiée à ce sujet. Merci d'avoir regardé.
I agree. Me too
Very interesting, never heard of that before.But I have one question do you spray full strength or diluted apple cider or if you feed sugar syrup how much do you put in a Quart.
I never used myself. Beekeepers ask me to look for information in the scientific literature that could potentially explain results they see in the field. I believe the beekeeper use a diluted solution with sugar water.
MFHoney partners from Ethiopia.
We are very much interested about using ACV to protect the bees and we want to know also if we need to to dilute ACV for spraying.
What’s up with the black pails on the hives
I am a beekeeper in Taiwan. I found your films are very useful to me. I like to translate from English to Chinese and share your films to Taiwanese. Could you allow me to do that?
You can help me to put subtitles in chinese. Do you know how to do it?
@@InsideTheHiveTV your video already have subtitle in Chinese, but not precise. The subtitle you have now is for Chinese live in China, bit not in Taiwan or Hong Kong. I will try to make the translation correctly, and will let you know. Thanks for your reply!
interesting
Very good ,do you mind if I recommend this on Facebook.
Yes please!
I sugest to make a investigation wat for ist garlik uset to help honny bees ?
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ceitec under which uni? there are 5 univs in ceitec project...but I didn't found the outcome research report.
I am sorry. I forgot to put the link of the article in the description. Here we go. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7775750/
Question: What effect would apple cider vinegar have on Phoretic Mites..
No idea. Some testing will be great.
It seems that bees are preferring 1:1.5 sugar/water solution to their own honey. This could mean that the more acidic honey is just acidic to prevent spoilage in the hive over the winter months!?
If it is only pH that is the benefit, then normal white vinegar should work as well. Cheaper too. Equip yourself with a pH meter and try it out. Let us not ascribe benefits to apple cider vinegar as if it is doing the same outside the bees as it might be doing inside the bee. Horses for courses. Another thing to consider is using citric acid when making syrup. Rather than just a water sugar mix, or used instead of Vit C tablets.
If the researchers are correct your thoughts make sense. Thanks for stopping by.
Hello dear friend, thank you for your research ... I am talking to you from Iran ... I do not know your language completely, so I did not fully understand what you said ... dear friend, how to put apple cider vinegar on bees Use ... pour in syrup or sprinkle apple cider vinegar on bees
Try sugar cane viniģēr
Doesn't a c v have scobie content also , perhaps white vinegar or pure acetic acid diluted would also work
In this case. anything that could drop the pH might work. However, you need to make sure whatever you put in is not damaging to bees in all life stages.
Профессор Кашковский не рекомендовал добавлять уксусную кислоту в сахарный сироп, она обжигает глоточные железы пчелы.
@@user-zo9ff6lr1m thank you, this is very helpful
@@MrMigrantman, спасибо за ответ. Профессор Кашковский вспоминал о применении кислоты для подкормки. Уксусной кислотой(в малых дозах) хотели улучшить переработку сахарного сиропа для зимовки, подкислить его для лучшей перерабртки. Решили, что вместо кислоты лучше добавлять цветочный мед в теплый сахарный сироп(на 10 частей сиропа - 1часть меда). Могу сбросить ссылку на научную статью на Вашу электронную почту,если интересно.
I personally feed my bees oxymel. A mixture of red wine vinegar, water and honey and I generally add salt and different types of herbs, depending on what's available at the time. I will never feed refined sugar to my bees
Thanks for sharing!
Un pasteurized apple cider vinegar would also contain beneficial (to humans at least) bacteria and yeasts.
People will be desperate and will try Apple cider vinegar. Maybe some guidance on how best to make it ad safe as possible
And why Apple cider vinegar, would any vinegar do the the some?
Wait!? You said that this commercial beekeeper SPRAYED his colonies with apple cider vinegar, not added it to the feed. Have you tried which application method would be best. Would love a topical spray as an option.
Yes he spray it. Some other beekeepers add to theirs feeders. Both methods used. My understand id that more tests need to be made. Thanks for stopping by.
So cool !!! Thank you!
We use white vinegar all the time to CLEAN!!!
Apple Cider Vinegar it is more than reasonable to think this may be working.
Glad you like it.
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I absolutely believe in the theory, but do not feel apple cider vinegar applied as a treatment is strong enough; honeybees, especially European, are to compromised. I feel the intervention must be more integral, such as the the extended phenotype (the actual hive). I enjoyed the video, it's very well done - thanks...
Nature is perfect, who would've thought
Pouvez vous traduire votre vidéo en français s'il vous plaît. Merci beaucoup
je vais essayer de mettre une légende française
Merci infiniment.🌹
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With korean sub please..
Im korean beekeeper
Could you do a just vinegar test, not apple cider vinegar?
Good question. I don't know.
always add it to my bee feed great stuff for gut
Do you think it is helping?
What is your ratio of adding the apple cider vinegar to water or sugar water?
very light amounts maybe a spoon or teaspoon to two litres depends on the acidity always trying check pH a lot to make sure its as close to nectar pH as possible.
I used Apple cider vinegar and I saw straight away death bees front of the hives and then 2 days later checked again they seems ok 👍
Best greetings from Ukraine! :)
Hello there! keep the good work.
Anybody experienced if Apple Cider Vinegar could effects S.H.B ?
I have no idea.
Why do you wait u til 4min 45s to repeat the first part, and go into detail ???
Many people use vinegar to kill bees. It attracts them also.
Μετάφραση.
I added Greek subtitles. I hope it helps.
Guys, STOP asking Humberto about the dilution-rate of the vinegar to spray. It is illegal to do this and controvertial, certainly unproven and may have negative effects. There's no way he is going to be publicly responsible for encouraging people to do it even if he thinks it's a good idea, which I doubt at this very early stage.
got my first nuc June24th,,when i heard sugar syrup had no protein an ph was 7,,i seen honey at 4-5ph so i been adding 4tblesp of honey to 6qts of syrup,, also i take 1 drop of tea tree,wintergreen,thyme an eucalyptus mixed together an a 0.15 microdrop in the 6qts,,i started with all the Honey B Healthy products,,applecider vinegar sounds VERY logical,,,I DONT LIKE CHEMICALS
@ dude dude. Everything is “chemicals”
@@svgs650r pretty sure he means synthetics and inorganic chemicals.
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I have just started beekeeping. If my bees where to suffer viruses I would spray them with colloidal silver. It's antifungal, antiviral and antibacterial.
do not do this.
My question would be, is colloidal silver a natural component of a bee hive? would you want that in your honey?
My mentor tried this in the past. Killed his bees. Don’t try it.
Far too speculative. Interesting premise, but just like the stock file colorful images and video clips used, NOT RELATIVE to real world bee keeping. Seems much like click bait. If not, then what is the mixing ratio of apple cider vinegar for spraying directly on the bees or mixing in a pollen/protein supplement? How much, how often, and when?
In the middle of the video you went back to the start and repeated everything again which is where I switched off. Not a good idea to drag out and try to make the video as long as possible.