thanks so much for sharing the kits. I spent probably 3 hours last night trying to dial in sounds and wasn't able to come close to what you provided for free. this is going to be my go to sound now
Thanks for the video! I was thinking about how to get a setup that was a little more portable. I will try to use a setup like this where I connect the "toms" to the cymbal stands.
I have been playing roland's for about 15 years, and have narrowed it down to 2 kits also, with the snare being the only difference. Deep snare for rock, and tight snare for everything else. I have played since i was 13 and would not go back to acoustic. Way too much work to get a decent sound. Great video!
thanks a lot. I`m a newbie, but enjoy it for rehearsals (low volume) and my recordings (on this channel). There are older videos on my channel, where I played the acoustic drums. I agree, that it was much more work, especially the mixing. The only thing I miss, is the sensitivity of acoustic sets and cymbals - but as we say here in Germany "at some point you have to die of some kind of death" 😁
Sounds great! I was using a TD - 6V live back in the mid 2000s already, and have used a couple of different kits. I've never had any problems, I think it's also because I have a good ear - you need to be able to know how to set the kits EQ and levels. Also, I almost always turn the reverb off completely. It's deffinately not necessary to line out your kit to the mixer for them to mix it, if you have a good ear it should be fine. Sound guys and audiences LOVE edrums - great HiFi studio quality sound in STEREO! At the moment I'm using an Alesis Nitro Max which has some great sounds, and my Roland TD11KV pales in comparison. Edrums have come a long way! 👍🏻
Jan, thank you for the kits. I am going to see how it sounds through a PA with the band. Kinda struggling with that. I’m discovering what sounds good through head phones and small speakers does not mean it will sound good through a PA. In fact, it’s usually the opposite.
I absolutely agree. As always, even with acoustic drums, we (drummers) are not able to hear the sound in the audience when playing (because we are playing 😀). The headphone sound is great with the TD 27. In the rehearsal room I use the same equipment as for smaller live venues, and rout it just to left (or right) to imagine that the sound comes from the drumset. The rehearsals are really nice (even if the sound over the speakers is not as good as over headphone). My musicians like the lower volume of the rehearsals. For live, I have to admit, that I just used it once. Our mixing engineer knows my acoustic drum sound and confirmed, that the TD 27 sounded really absolutely stunning. Anyway, from point of joy during playing live - I was not amused at all. That`s why, for new gigs (with my new band) I`m still under consideration to use the acoustic set for bigger venues. Coming back to your comment: It is like that, but if you consider how an acoustic drum set sounds for your musicians - it is such a loud noise (especially the snare and cymbals), that if we compare an absolute dry headphone sound with the speaker sound and then would compare it with the acoustic drum set sound.....then it would be the opposite as well. In the past I just played with in-ear (otoplast for my ears) and my drums sound was excelllent - like in a tone studio. Therefore you need a digital mixer, good microphones and a good in-ear headphone . Thus, the TD27 is such an easy to handle instrument - and can be used for recordings (as on my channel) so easily. If you use a digital mixer (I use the Soundcraft UI24R), you can adjust the bass drum, snare, etc. sound to the acoustic of your room and speakers. Your headphone can just use neutral settings.
Hi there Jan this is a great video and thanks for sharing your kits. I will try them out later hopefully. I just picked up my td27 and am going to use it tonight first time. I will use it stock standard tonight but the intention is to also do as you have done separatimg the kick and snare etc. I couldn't work out how you used regular cymbal stands! I want to do that also. I'm using the vh10 hats so am interested to see how they perform tonight lol I come from using a 1995 td7 and SSD 5.5 VST.... So this will be quite different tonight!
I don`t like reverb which is noticable too much, you`re right. For this recording and for rehearsals I prefer quite dry sounds. When using the e-drums for recordings, the reverb and effects needs to be used depending on the sound of the song and style of music. In this case it is essential to use effect.
Hi there, great video. Thanks a lot. I'm curious how you routed all your outputs of your module. I usually use the Mast L and R for Cymbals + Toms to get a stereo signal and then the Direct 1 will be the Kick and Direct 2 the snare. However, it is not always great to have toms and cymbals on the same channel for the FOH. I see that you've routed cymbals in one output and toms in another one. This looks really interesting, but i was wandering how you deal with the spatial distribution for both the cymbals and the toms as you are then routing them toward mono channels. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this. Keep up the videos. Thanks.
Hi, indeed, the set is mono for FOH. Stereo is great on headphone and recordings, but for FOH in my opinion, it is not essential, since the distance of cymbals from the drummers perspective and from audience perspective is completely different. The drummer might hear the left toms and left cymbals and so on....but the audience would just hear a mono signal if no amplification would applied. I know, that stereo anyway would sound better - even FOH, but since there are just 4 outputs, I selected this solution. Toms separately and Cymbals/HH separately. My friend plays acoustic HH and Cymbals and is able to mix the E-Drum Toms stereo. But then you need another channels for overhead and HH, plus you have a lot of noise on stage (especially if you also use a mic for singing).
Hallo Herr Urbanc, vielen Dank für dieses sehr interessante Video über Ihr Setup des TD 27 bei Ihren Live-Auftritten. Und Ihre Kits sind SUPER!! Ich möchte lediglich anmerken, dass die Umbenennung auf -500.TDO und-501.TDO bei mir Probleme bereitet hat, weil ich diese Kits nicht laden konnte. Schließlich habe ich die nächsten fortlaufenden Nummern vergeben und es hat gefunzt. Vielen Dank nochmal. Ich schaffe es jedoch nicht, aus meinen Lautsprechern einen annähernd gleichen Sound zu erhalten, wie über den Kopfhörer. Das hört sich alles dumpf und "blechern" an. Vielleicht könnten Sie kurz mitteilen, mit welchen Kabeln Sie über Ihre MainOuts des Moduls wohin gehen, bzw. welche Einstellung in den Routings des TD 27 hierfür erforderlich sind. Vielen Dank nochmal für Ihr aufschlussreiches Video.
Hallo, erstmal vielen Dank für die Hinweise oben. Die Aufnahme hier für RUclips wurde direkt in der TD-27 aufgezeichnet. D.h., das ist schon mal der rohe Sound. Bei dem TD-27 (und auch anderen E-Sets) ist der Sound über jeden Kopfhörer, jede PA, Boxen, Koffer-Amp komplett unterschiedlich. Das liegt leider in der Natur der Dinge. Über die digitalen, sehr scharf abgrenzenden, prägnanten Sounds der TD-27 reagieren alle Lautsprecher, je nach Klangausformung der Lautsprecher anders. Ich hatte genau das gleich Problem. Über den geschlossenen Beyerdynamik KH war der Sound sehr ausgewogen....dann über diverse In-Ears, die ich am Acoustic Set (mit Anpassung) sehr gerne verwendete....ganz anders - aber nicht wirklich gut.....und über die PA ....auch nicht so toll. Nun stand die PA im Ü-Raum (EV zwei 12" und zwei 18" Subs mit sehr gutem Klang). Beim Live-Auftritt ging ich dann alle mir geliebten Bass Drum Sounds, Snares, Toms und HiHats mit dem Mischer durch....und da "wir" ja nur 4 Ausgänge am TD-27 haben (angeschlossen übrigens über aktive DI Boxen von Behringer....nur wegen des etwaigen Brumms) musste ich die HH und Cymbals zusammenlegen. Toms auf einem Kanal, BD und Snare auch einzeln. Unser Los als Drummer ist ja, das wir die PA nie von aussen hören können. Selbst wenn man die Boxen umdreht klappt das nicht neutral. Bei diesem besagten Gig spielten wir open air, d.h., es gab keine Akustik-Raum-Beeinflussung. Zuerst wurde die PA abgestimmt....und dann gingen wir die Sets durch. Ein Umschalten von Sound beim Gig ist gerade wegen dieser digitalen Sounds sehr gefährlich, da sich die Lautsprecher, wie oben, je nach Sound komplett unterschiedlich verhalten. Sie können lauter, leiser werden, aber auch einfach beschissen klingen....was vorher am Kopfhörer noch klasse war. Da ich auch Aufnahmen mit dem TD-27 mache, weiß ich das Teil selbst zu schätzen....und dort kann man dann auch über MIDI und andere Tricks einiges am Sound individualisieren. Live jedoch werde ich mich sehr stark auf die 2 Sounds beschränken und Effekte über meine vorhandene SPD-SX triggern. Dort sind ja auch noch Schlagflächen drauf. Das ist meine Erfahrung. Mit Sicherheit lerne ich noch viel dazu, aber tendiere gleichzeitig auch dazu, bei Live-Gigs immer die Option des Akustik-Sets in Erwägung zu ziehen. Ich hoffe, das einigermaßen dargestellt zu haben Grüße Jan
Hallo Herr Urbanc, recht herzlichen Dank für Ihre umfassende Antwort. Sie bestätigen meine bisherigen (wenigen) Erfahrungen mit dem TD 27 und einer PA. Ist wohl schwierig und aufwändig, vor allem, wenn man kein Tontechniker ist. Normalerweise spiele ich auf der Bühne auch ein Akustik-Set. Ich glaube, ich bleibe dabei und zum Üben nutze ich das TD 27 mit dem E-Drum und dem Kopfhörer und natürlich Ihren beiden Kits. Viele Grüße und nachmals vielen Dank. Rainer @@Jan.Urbanc
Hi, the HiHat triggering is an adjustment, which isn`t included in the KIT, but depending on your hardware and adjustments in the TD-27. I also tried back and forth for a long time until I got the (for me) best results. Unfortunately, it doesn't really come close to a sheet metal HH ;o(
Hi, it is a Drum-Tec bass drum, but I just use it because I like the better mechanical feedback of a head instead the rubber-one of the cheaper Roland "bass drum". I bought a used one and sold the Roland bass drum stand. The Drum-Tec bass drum is really nice - but from point of triggering, I guess, there is not so much difference to others. It is just a piezo diaphragm as with all triggers for e-drums. The difference is just with the foam, head, tuning strength of the head - purely mechanical differences and depend on your likes and dislikes.
@@Jan.Urbanc Thank you for the quick reply! I just purchased a TD-27 but am already looking into replacing the "bass drum". I've looked into the Roland KD-200 but it appears to simply be a Roland KD-10 shrouded in an acoustic bass drum. The KD-140 has great reviews for how it feels but I was looking into other alternatives too. I may follow your lead and pick up a Drum-Tec bass drum at some point. I appreciate the information. Thanks again!
You need to select the kits by the name as it is saved to the SD card. There are videos on RUclips how to add new kits to the TD-27, i.e. ruclips.net/video/vU7EDpgJCHk/видео.html
www.swisstransfer.com/d/8f0155e8-0977-46ba-8956-a8fe95834d79 habe ich eingerichtet. Sie sollte einen weiteren knappen Monat funtionieren. Ich habe es gerade ausprobiert. Der Link oben wurde auch entsprechend aktualisiert. Viele Grüße
thanks so much for sharing the kits. I spent probably 3 hours last night trying to dial in sounds and wasn't able to come close to what you provided for free. this is going to be my go to sound now
Thanks for the video! I was thinking about how to get a setup that was a little more portable. I will try to use a setup like this where I connect the "toms" to the cymbal stands.
I have been playing roland's for about 15 years, and have narrowed it down to 2 kits also, with the snare being the only difference. Deep snare for rock, and tight snare for everything else. I have played since i was 13 and would not go back to acoustic. Way too much work to get a decent sound. Great video!
thanks a lot. I`m a newbie, but enjoy it for rehearsals (low volume) and my recordings (on this channel).
There are older videos on my channel, where I played the acoustic drums. I agree, that it was much more work, especially the mixing. The only thing I miss, is the sensitivity of acoustic sets and cymbals - but as we say here in Germany "at some point you have to die of some kind of death" 😁
Sounds great!
I was using a TD - 6V live back in the mid 2000s already, and have used a couple of different kits. I've never had any problems, I think it's also because I have a good ear - you need to be able to know how to set the kits EQ and levels.
Also, I almost always turn the reverb off completely.
It's deffinately not necessary to line out your kit to the mixer for them to mix it, if you have a good ear it should be fine.
Sound guys and audiences LOVE edrums - great HiFi studio quality sound in STEREO!
At the moment I'm using an Alesis Nitro Max which has some great sounds, and my Roland TD11KV pales in comparison.
Edrums have come a long way! 👍🏻
Thanks a lot for your kind comment - agreed.
@@Jan.Urbanc 👍🏻
Jan, thank you for the kits. I am going to see how it sounds through a PA with the band. Kinda struggling with that. I’m discovering what sounds good through head phones and small speakers does not mean it will sound good through a PA. In fact, it’s usually the opposite.
I absolutely agree. As always, even with acoustic drums, we (drummers) are not able to hear the sound in the audience when playing (because we are playing 😀). The headphone sound is great with the TD 27. In the rehearsal room I use the same equipment as for smaller live venues, and rout it just to left (or right) to imagine that the sound comes from the drumset. The rehearsals are really nice (even if the sound over the speakers is not as good as over headphone). My musicians like the lower volume of the rehearsals.
For live, I have to admit, that I just used it once. Our mixing engineer knows my acoustic drum sound and confirmed, that the TD 27 sounded really absolutely stunning.
Anyway, from point of joy during playing live - I was not amused at all. That`s why, for new gigs (with my new band) I`m still under consideration to use the acoustic set for bigger venues.
Coming back to your comment: It is like that, but if you consider how an acoustic drum set sounds for your musicians - it is such a loud noise (especially the snare and cymbals), that if we compare an absolute dry headphone sound with the speaker sound and then would compare it with the acoustic drum set sound.....then it would be the opposite as well.
In the past I just played with in-ear (otoplast for my ears) and my drums sound was excelllent - like in a tone studio.
Therefore you need a digital mixer, good microphones and a good in-ear headphone .
Thus, the TD27 is such an easy to handle instrument - and can be used for recordings (as on my channel) so easily.
If you use a digital mixer (I use the Soundcraft UI24R), you can adjust the bass drum, snare, etc. sound to the acoustic of your room and speakers. Your headphone can just use neutral settings.
Hi there Jan this is a great video and thanks for sharing your kits. I will try them out later hopefully.
I just picked up my td27 and am going to use it tonight first time. I will use it stock standard tonight but the intention is to also do as you have done separatimg the kick and snare etc.
I couldn't work out how you used regular cymbal stands! I want to do that also.
I'm using the vh10 hats so am interested to see how they perform tonight lol
I come from using a 1995 td7 and SSD 5.5 VST.... So this will be quite different tonight!
Have fun !
Regarding the cymbal stands, I use these....
www.drum-tec.com/cyms-10-cymbal-mounting-for-roland-e-cymbals
THANKS... do you NOT like "reverb & effects"?
I don`t like reverb which is noticable too much, you`re right. For this recording and for rehearsals I prefer quite dry sounds. When using the e-drums for recordings, the reverb and effects needs to be used depending on the sound of the song and style of music. In this case it is essential to use effect.
Hi there, great video. Thanks a lot. I'm curious how you routed all your outputs of your module. I usually use the Mast L and R for Cymbals + Toms to get a stereo signal and then the Direct 1 will be the Kick and Direct 2 the snare. However, it is not always great to have toms and cymbals on the same channel for the FOH. I see that you've routed cymbals in one output and toms in another one. This looks really interesting, but i was wandering how you deal with the spatial distribution for both the cymbals and the toms as you are then routing them toward mono channels. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this. Keep up the videos. Thanks.
Hi, indeed, the set is mono for FOH. Stereo is great on headphone and recordings, but for FOH in my opinion, it is not essential, since the distance of cymbals from the drummers perspective and from audience perspective is completely different. The drummer might hear the left toms and left cymbals and so on....but the audience would just hear a mono signal if no amplification would applied. I know, that stereo anyway would sound better - even FOH, but since there are just 4 outputs, I selected this solution. Toms separately and Cymbals/HH separately.
My friend plays acoustic HH and Cymbals and is able to mix the E-Drum Toms stereo. But then you need another channels for overhead and HH, plus you have a lot of noise on stage (especially if you also use a mic for singing).
Hallo Herr Urbanc, vielen Dank für dieses sehr interessante Video über Ihr Setup des TD 27 bei Ihren Live-Auftritten.
Und Ihre Kits sind SUPER!!
Ich möchte lediglich anmerken, dass die Umbenennung auf -500.TDO und-501.TDO bei mir Probleme bereitet hat, weil ich diese Kits nicht laden konnte.
Schließlich habe ich die nächsten fortlaufenden Nummern vergeben und es hat gefunzt.
Vielen Dank nochmal.
Ich schaffe es jedoch nicht, aus meinen Lautsprechern einen annähernd gleichen Sound zu erhalten, wie über den Kopfhörer.
Das hört sich alles dumpf und "blechern" an.
Vielleicht könnten Sie kurz mitteilen, mit welchen Kabeln Sie über Ihre MainOuts des Moduls wohin gehen, bzw. welche Einstellung in den Routings des TD 27 hierfür erforderlich sind.
Vielen Dank nochmal für Ihr aufschlussreiches Video.
Hallo, erstmal vielen Dank für die Hinweise oben.
Die Aufnahme hier für RUclips wurde direkt in der TD-27 aufgezeichnet. D.h., das ist schon mal der rohe Sound. Bei dem TD-27 (und auch anderen E-Sets) ist der Sound über jeden Kopfhörer, jede PA, Boxen, Koffer-Amp komplett unterschiedlich. Das liegt leider in der Natur der Dinge. Über die digitalen, sehr scharf abgrenzenden, prägnanten Sounds der TD-27 reagieren alle Lautsprecher, je nach Klangausformung der Lautsprecher anders. Ich hatte genau das gleich Problem. Über den geschlossenen Beyerdynamik KH war der Sound sehr ausgewogen....dann über diverse In-Ears, die ich am Acoustic Set (mit Anpassung) sehr gerne verwendete....ganz anders - aber nicht wirklich gut.....und über die PA ....auch nicht so toll. Nun stand die PA im Ü-Raum (EV zwei 12" und zwei 18" Subs mit sehr gutem Klang).
Beim Live-Auftritt ging ich dann alle mir geliebten Bass Drum Sounds, Snares, Toms und HiHats mit dem Mischer durch....und da "wir" ja nur 4 Ausgänge am TD-27 haben (angeschlossen übrigens über aktive DI Boxen von Behringer....nur wegen des etwaigen Brumms) musste ich die HH und Cymbals zusammenlegen. Toms auf einem Kanal, BD und Snare auch einzeln.
Unser Los als Drummer ist ja, das wir die PA nie von aussen hören können.
Selbst wenn man die Boxen umdreht klappt das nicht neutral. Bei diesem besagten Gig spielten wir open air, d.h., es gab keine Akustik-Raum-Beeinflussung. Zuerst wurde die PA abgestimmt....und dann gingen wir die Sets durch. Ein Umschalten von Sound beim Gig ist gerade wegen dieser digitalen Sounds sehr gefährlich, da sich die Lautsprecher, wie oben, je nach Sound komplett unterschiedlich verhalten. Sie können lauter, leiser werden, aber auch einfach beschissen klingen....was vorher am Kopfhörer noch klasse war.
Da ich auch Aufnahmen mit dem TD-27 mache, weiß ich das Teil selbst zu schätzen....und dort kann man dann auch über MIDI und andere Tricks einiges am Sound individualisieren.
Live jedoch werde ich mich sehr stark auf die 2 Sounds beschränken und Effekte über meine vorhandene SPD-SX triggern. Dort sind ja auch noch Schlagflächen drauf.
Das ist meine Erfahrung. Mit Sicherheit lerne ich noch viel dazu, aber tendiere gleichzeitig auch dazu, bei Live-Gigs immer die Option des Akustik-Sets in Erwägung zu ziehen.
Ich hoffe, das einigermaßen dargestellt zu haben
Grüße
Jan
Hallo Herr Urbanc,
recht herzlichen Dank für Ihre umfassende Antwort.
Sie bestätigen meine bisherigen (wenigen) Erfahrungen mit dem TD 27 und einer PA. Ist wohl schwierig und aufwändig, vor allem, wenn man kein Tontechniker ist.
Normalerweise spiele ich auf der Bühne auch ein Akustik-Set.
Ich glaube, ich bleibe dabei und zum Üben nutze ich das TD 27 mit dem E-Drum und dem Kopfhörer und natürlich Ihren beiden Kits.
Viele Grüße und nachmals vielen Dank.
Rainer
@@Jan.Urbanc
Downloaded and installed. Everything sounds good. But the hihat triggering is awful(no articulation) Any fix i could do ? I have the digital hihat.
Hi, the HiHat triggering is an adjustment, which isn`t included in the KIT, but depending on your hardware and adjustments in the TD-27. I also tried back and forth for a long time until I got the (for me) best results.
Unfortunately, it doesn't really come close to a sheet metal HH ;o(
Hallo Jan, danke für das tolle Video. Leider bin ich zu spät zum download. Gibt es das noch eine Möglichkeit, den freizuschalten? VG
Hallo, ich habe einen neuen, dauerhaften download-link gepostet.
What is the website address for the download??
Hi Jan, could you please explain a little more about your bass drum? How are you triggering it? Is it a Drum-Tec bass drum? Thank you!
Hi, it is a Drum-Tec bass drum, but I just use it because I like the better mechanical feedback of a head instead the rubber-one of the cheaper Roland "bass drum". I bought a used one and sold the Roland bass drum stand.
The Drum-Tec bass drum is really nice - but from point of triggering, I guess, there is not so much difference to others. It is just a piezo diaphragm as with all triggers for e-drums. The difference is just with the foam, head, tuning strength of the head - purely mechanical differences and depend on your likes and dislikes.
@@Jan.Urbanc Thank you for the quick reply! I just purchased a TD-27 but am already looking into replacing the "bass drum". I've looked into the Roland KD-200 but it appears to simply be a Roland KD-10 shrouded in an acoustic bass drum. The KD-140 has great reviews for how it feels but I was looking into other alternatives too. I may follow your lead and pick up a Drum-Tec bass drum at some point. I appreciate the information. Thanks again!
Great video. Link to download kits isn’t working. “This site has been temporarily disabled, please try again later.”
Hi, I updated the download link. Now it should work... have fun !
I can't find the 2 sets after I put them in the folder. I put the card in my td-27, and I hit load, I still can't find it
You need to select the kits by the name as it is saved to the SD card. There are videos on RUclips how to add new kits to the TD-27, i.e. ruclips.net/video/vU7EDpgJCHk/видео.html
Hallo Herr Urbanc, die Download-Website ist leider nicht erreichbar. Gibt es eine andere Möglichkeit die Kits herunter zu laden?
www.swisstransfer.com/d/8f0155e8-0977-46ba-8956-a8fe95834d79 habe ich eingerichtet. Sie sollte einen weiteren knappen Monat funtionieren.
Ich habe es gerade ausprobiert. Der Link oben wurde auch entsprechend aktualisiert.
Viele Grüße
1000 Dank - hat geklappt 👍🏻@@Jan.Urbanc
The Bell on the ride is so weak. I have noticed this on Roland kits.
You can adjust it
Thanks to @m22110. I don`t prefer too loud bell on the ride - that`s why I adjusted it quite low.
nice playing, but can't hear properly, room/vocal is picking up the pad sound.
are you sure, that you listened to my video ? It is just a line signal - no mic at all.
The toms sound not good
You`re right. I couldn`t find a tom sound which is good. Maybe someone gives me a hint ?😊
I think the toms sound pretty good.
@@Jan.Urbanc custom 10, 12, 14, 16” with coated heads, -6 to -12 pitch sweep, Eq (to taste), 4:1 compressor -30db threshold, +3db gain 33ms attack, 450ms release
Excuse me, the Roland sounds terrible, how can you use for Live…
hi, hi. You`re right and not right. It depends on taste, room acoustic, speakers, mixer, music, play style and so on ;o)