Treat Wood Yourself - How to Treat Wood Against Rot
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- If you hate pressure treated wood then here is a way to treat wood yourself and preserve your own wood. This technique has been used for decades by old timers around the world, works, and is cheap and easy. Join the journey and subscribe!
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The treating of posts starts here: 5:35
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I never thought I'd have Sam Elliot teach me how to treat wood.
Think again mijo
Sounds pretty gay
No offense to this gentleman, but none of us are even fit to carry Sam Elliot’s mustache’s jockstrap...
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He does look like Sam Elliot. Lol
Rot is caused by one of two general types of fungus, white and brown. Pretty technical terms, I know. They both require acidic environments to grow and usually temperatures above 50 degrees F. If you place very fine crushed limestone (often called stone dust or paver sand) in the bottom of the hole, and after placing the post, fill the hole with the same stuff, it cannot be made acidic as there is just too much alkalinity for an acid to exist without being neutralized. Water that enters the post through that limestone is made calcium rich. However the interior of posts can usually still rot no matter what you do except true pressure treating. But if the post becomes saturated with the calcium rich water, then its going to be rot resistant.
Very interesting. I do this practice also. I know old timers that treat posts this way and have had them last for decades.
Paul, thank you for that scientific explanation. I personally like to know why things do what they do. Again, thank u for taking the time to explain it.
You can also add creosote from cleaning a woodstove to the mix for extra protection.
Dad use to have a 50 gallon drum around and let the post soak in the oil
I remember my grandfather building tobacco barns here in NC out of creosote posts. I'm not sure you can even buy that stuff anymore. Hard to work with, but lasts 30+ years in the ground.
This is close to boat soup. Every sailor had their own formula. It is generally a combination of pine tar, Turpentine and linseed oil. It was used on all the lines and rigging and inside planks and structure of wooden boats.
Yes Lars I have heard of it
I took apart a 50 year old building here in Ontario and I found those posts that were charred and possibly treated like yours were still sound, very hard to get out of the ground. Some were buried in concrete and they were rotten and no good anymore. All the poles were our eastern white cedar.
I never heard of your mix, it sounds pretty simple, will certainly try that out here in the future
mot the best way to treat your lumber when you can easily buy a pressure sprayer and polyurethane wood preservative in bulk and it will save you money in the future
Were the posts that were still decent quality buried with something other than concrete?
@@BuiltByJalalthis method costs about $10 to treat all the posts since you already have the used motor oil and $8 in Diesel plus $2 for a cheap chip bush. No purchased wood preservative will ever beat that.
Interesting how various soil can be. Here in Ontario, Canada when I dig into ground the soil is black.
Old Timers been using this 50/50 mix for over a 100 years. Some of the post they set inground have lasted over 100 years. 4 inches of course sand below the post also keeps moisture off the bottom and prevents rot.
would gravel or sand be a better base for fence posts?
@@countryfella94 might not have enough structural strength
We put a out of ballist mix below post instead of sand before we cement in
Watching your video feels like I'm watching "no country for old men". 😄
I tried burning the end grains of the trusses on my house, now the insurance company’s claiming arson. 🤷♂️
I've been using old oil for coating wood and inside vehicle chassis for god knows how long. Also cover the post ends that will be in the soil with bitumen pitch too. Take care Great Plains Craftsman enjoying following buddy.
Thank you Daryl! Many people out here is this method.
How long will it last in the ground with the bitumen pitch?
Great video thank you. Both charring and used motor oil are very acidic so that’s the thing that keeps bugs and fungus away.
Great video Tim.Being frugal and using what you have is the name of the game.
Thank you Doug!
How well does this method work when used with concrete? I've heard a couple guys talking about it rotting out but Ive also seen a couple that still stand strong after 20+ years of standing
Never use concrete. Holds moisture and rots the wood
Improvise, adapt and overcome! Love it my friend!
Hello Phil!
Great video bad thanks for bringing that up the Vikings used to burn the ends of logs in building their huts
Thank you Mike
,,,,,,,,,,,, I use Diesel and TAR,,,,,,,,, And burn first,,,
Well, my grandad was right.
Hey, thanks for the tips, sir .
Much appreciated !
Wulfy
Thank you for the detailed explanation...I've been trying to find information on treating posts for a pole barn I'm preparing to build...I'll be using Eastern White Cedar cut and milled from my bush. I'll be burning the entire length to be buried just to be sure.
Good plan Dan!
Dan I am with You on than, great info that I have been looking for. Mine will be from huge southern yellow pine on our property harvested and processed with my chainsaw sawmill!
@@retiringrenegade9874I run a Granberg. Best investment ever.
What an honor to know you, Tim. I'm smarter after every video.
Lol. Thank you Chuck
"Burn the crap out of it!"
Sounds good to me!
I used poly urethane on 4x4 posts 18 years later no rot. Minnesota seems to be the land of rot.
Saw chipfrier oil used, with mineral spirits to thin it, on cr@p pine for the bottom and sides of a half ton trailer. Lasted over 15 years outside. Not bad.
Not Bad!
No rocks in that ground. We break auger sheer pins by the hour with our rocky soil.
Watching this man's videos is very soothing. He like a cross between Sam Elliot and Bob Ross
Bingo
Where can I but used motor oil?
The clerk at the car parts store just look at me, and wonder what car I have!
Just kidding, but seriously, you videos can be cut to 1/3 and still be god...
*buy*
Had a plywood roof for decades on grandpas farm. All they did is lay down plywood. tarred and nailed strips of plywood over the seams then rolled on used oil every year or two. Never leaked and lasted until my uncle got the farm and quit oiling it. Then it eventually deteriorated, over about another decade, breached to water and the building rotted away. In my oppinion it's a better result and longevity than shingles cause 25 year shingles sure as hell don't last anywhere near 25 years anymore. They crack, break, curl and then leak. Then you are looking at the expense and labor of full replacement or you can just grab a paint tray, roller and a gallon or two of used oil and redo the roof before morning coffee for another year or two.
Is that used motoroil? Can you use new motor oil?
If you didn't love this guy within the first fifteen seconds I don't want to know you.
I just make sure they are dry wood then use tar , first coat melt the tar to liquid state apply it to the whole pole when it drys apply a thicker viscosity coat , to the 3 ft that goes underground it will be like thick rubber it will last more than 30 years - longer than pressure treated wood
Another trick to make it last longer add rocks gravel at the bottom of the hole to help drain any water around the wood did this to my wood fence post and there still there since 1999.
Yes that is true
"Maaaaaawm! Can I go over to Timmy's and play with tractors, torches and make cresote?"
Awesome episode. I am glad you found use for the ol' twisted timbers. Its funny how some of this stuff works. There are huge wooden bridge posts that rot at the surface level of the water but the timber under the water is fine because it isn't ever exposed to oxygen which is needed for decomposition. The minerals in the water embed themselves in the fibers of the timber over the coarse of time and make the posts below the water line tough as rocks. literally. Thanks for sharing. - Will
Hey Will! LoL
Great Plains Craftsman how well does this hold up?
Would it be "more better" if the wood was charred all the way up above ground contact and then treated with the gas/diesel mix?
Yes, if you watch the video tagged in this video and listed at the end, I do that with some more posts.
Why not burn the timber 3.5 feet and the add the oil/diesel coating
You can do that too. Burning is an extra insurance step in the critical end grain area. But, you could do it all the way too.
Hello Ron from Eagleton... ;) great video! thank you very much
Hello Ron!
Something's never go out of style because they work. I bought my first vehicle, 65 C10 Apache for $150 from a construction company had had Cats, back Hoes, Scrapers and they were fueled at the job site and oil & filter changed. They carried the drums in the back of this wood floor truck. Overtime, the floor was soaked with diesel, motor oil both new and old, but never rotted and looked like new other than a nice dark stain. The speedo was broke at 264k miles and ran great. The family farm never paid me any allowance so all money earned from working for neighbors. From hay into their barn, plowing, mowing yards or moving cattle 8-10 miles to a new pasture. It had a 283 cu in w/2 spd auto and good tires, red with Fawn dash. No A/C just heat. I grew 6" at age 11 and already the tallest, I would get hired easy in our county. By 3AM I was up and headed to a field off the road a 1/4 mile near trees and a dry rock bottom creek. My last year of school, class didn't start until 9:30 or 10AM. I was one to operate a new John Deere 4X4 center articulating. I started morns with headlights on the tractor to clean the air filter, ck oil, grease the center pivot and start it. Alway check oil pressure and fuel first. Raise the disc & hit 18 grease fittings. Check wheels for loose, whack them with an axe handle for air and give everything a good once over with a harry eyeball. Side mounted tool box was factory or we put it on. Alway a large chain hung in a agreed fashion & a little notch cut in the handle and box, for the axe handle. Hair-pin cotter held the lid tight. Only tractor I ran w/full cab, A/C and more than a Motorola AM & whip antenna. He opted for a 2.2 cu ft cooler, no fridge. Want it cold, get ice. Simple. One day, seat turned sideways as always to watch the disc, direction & gauges, radio guy said time and I was a half hour late. Nobody drove it and I was on the far end making a $1.50 hr. I said a few words and parked it without letting the twin turbos spool done. Locked it, hid the key I an agreed spot. I tore out of that field going 40 MPH and hitting my head. Second creek over, I hit bottom hard. No county road dust, so never slowed down and floored it. 3/4 mile later the rear wheels locked up, oil light came on, with two hands on the wheel steered off the road and stopped. Part of me knew what I was about to see, but had to look anyways. Under the front bumper, crossmember was a gashing hole with just a little oil leaking out. I did write a note or take the keys, just started jogging to school toward the town of 160 souls. I had a mind full of excuses, but few had a truck to pull me and where will I put it. Where would I get an GM engine... Well, I got the coach to take me out as the shy got darker by the foot, we turned the corner and...nothing, it was gone. Like Tonto, I walk back and forth looking for tracks, oil drippings, anything that would tell me who would take it. I could movement for 20 some feet and they place it in neutral. 65 power glides was the last year for a rear and front pump. It kept it in gear for engine braking. Even though I had the little Red truck for almost 4 years, i felt like some stole $150 dollars from me. I got a pass from the coach, filed a police report, if someone wanted to tag it they had one place in the count seat to go thru. I called once a month for a while and gave up! I was heart broke like someone had shot my horse. Worse yet, there where no houses for 2.5 miles and I checked driving slow just looking. But farmers would put used vehicles in ditches next to the fence to keep cattle in and felt they were doing a good thing. Never saw it again. Sad!
Sorry, used motor oil and linseed oil works also. Just drowned rags in a bucket of water because they can catch fire as they dry. Subscribed!
DK, Omaha. ASE Master tech since 78, retired!
Thank you Dean for the comment!
Used motor oil + diesel (sometimes I'll throw in old wood stain, anything oil based) is also an easy way to deter horses from chewing fence posts.
why are you not burning the sides? is there a reason for that ? only the ends? or does it work on sides too? i want to do to a treehouse if possible?
I do the sides too in another video. Either way is good. The end is the most critical along with the point at which the post reaches surface level
I like to put gravel in the very bottom of the hole. Tamp the hole with gravel around trees, cause concrete will leach out and kill trees within ten feet. I had a metal storage building with treated 4 x 4's and i put the 50/50 onto them and the termites still ate them. BROWN & ROOT we used that blend to spray onto our chains and pullies, trucking stuff.
liked it, wear gloves. Hi from New Zealand.
Hello there!
I did this to some fence post and a gate. I didn't char the ends, but I soaked the ends in buck of diesel/used oil then pained the mixture on the rest of the post. I got about 7 years from the post and the gate is still good 9 years later. Termites never attacked the post, but they did eventually rot from the inside out. I think it was them wicking up water from the ground. If you live out west where it's very dry I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of treatment would last for decades. In a wetter climate a few years is all you'll get from anything touching the ground.
That is probably true. Here these will last a long time. Rocks in the bottom of the hole helps alot too. Using a wood like cedar for this is also a good idea. I use what I have
without an experience using the scientific method, it's just an hypothesis (could be totally wrong― people in the past weren't really smart, eg. they were religious, following blindly what they learned from even less smart. cf Flynn effect)
In Australia. All city councils do this procedure for power poles. Still all standing.
WATHCH OUT FOR THE SPRICKLERS WHEN YOUR DIGGING.....FOR REAL////\\\\\
Thank you so much. I have my own saw mill now and I plan on using the post and other boards for projects. Need to treat for ground contact, etc.
Great idea and a good way to get rid of used motor oil. Thanks for sharing this tip Tim. Let's not forget the barn siding and roofing. LOL Have a good evening.
I know Dana, it's coming. Need to get this done first. Thank you!
@@GreatPlainsCraftsman just pulling your chain Tim. Your fencing is coming along nicely. I'm getting curious about the shelter now, if not a bullpen.
Why would you care about the look if it’s going in the ground?
Great video tutorial, you are so lucky living in such a nice place, I made a mix of old engine oil and white spirits to treat my shed roof because roofing felt in uk sucks, it doesn’t last 5 minutes (I’m going to use some reclaimed metal cladding) very cunning of you to think of burying the twisted section.
Thank you.
"It`s pointless for a human to paint scenes of nature when they can go outside and stand in it." Ron Swanson
I found that very useful..
I have a question; how long do I have to season my logs in order to be able to use this technique? I have maple . I will harvest them to fence my property which is 27 acres . Thank you
FYI, I watched this at 2x speed and it sounds normal.
JESUS.
Some years back I use to wonder how in the heck telephone poles lasted so long compared to other types of wood. I mean some of them have been there for 50+ years. Then I watched this video and I remembered years ago one time I put my hand on a telephone pole that was newly erected and I remember my hand being sticky like it had oil or thin tar on it. Now it all makes sense, I always thought it was due to them being some kind of harder wood, but now I think they were using the exact same thing as you are. Funny thing, they government will tell you "you shouldn't put that oil on post, for the environment" all while doing exactly that when it comes to their own poles.
Looking forward to the shelter build :-)
Hello John!
I have seen this also used w/kerosene & motor oil.
Please Comment on this if you have any knowledge of this. Thanks.
Have seen where they put the Posts Upside Down, Believing they last longer?
Kerosene would work. Yes I have heard of that for cut trees used for posts. You can also cut the tree at the Winter Solstice. Research it, along with scaring the tree a season before you cut it.
@@GreatPlainsCraftsman Cutting the tree at the Winter Solstice - sounds like something that should be saved for the 1st of April!
An order fellow taught me that trick.. it works pretty well.........JJ..
Yes it does!
could you use vegetable oil, or does it need to be petroleum based? veg oil is dirt cheap if you dont have used around
Hello from Pakistan 🇵🇰 i really like the way you did it. I am inspired and willing to do it for a kid’s swing will be making soon. I appreciate the help. Thank you
Thank you!
Used transmission oil for red tones. I added dark walnut stain to my mix to darken it up. Able to adjust to even out the tones on my garden fence. Once dry, the oil mix is inert.
I'm doing mine with used diesel fuel....
very oldschool. here in germany we also did and probably still doing it like that.
hello from Romania, Tim, grate job your douin there, if you was just a bit closser, i could gave you a hand.
Greetings! Good to hear from you, thanks for watching from way over there. I think it is so neat that I can talk to people from all over the world!
burnt mine and then dipped into 5 gal. bucket of burnt motor oil.
Finding post 8 inch diameter or bigger gets pricy. Pressure treated especially.
Hi there, thanks for posting, and posting,,, I like a way to use old motor oil up, and the desil as a catalyst.. how do you think it would go on a deck, slippery under foot? slippery when it rails? stain your pants when siting on it??? cheers, thanks
$300 for 10 PT 6x6es, ahh those were the days.😌
To much gabby-gabby...not enough treaty-treaty.
Lol okay
that should last FAR longer than modern pressure treated
BEEN OFREID OF SPRAYINGVDIESEL WITH MOTOR OIL IS FOR......WIMPS
I am building a timber frame gazebo for my wife made out of recycled power poles using a chainsaw mill. They are covered with creosote which i am cutting off to make square beams. I believe it is cedar.
On Stodoys website you will find the plans you are looking for.
What does it look like if you paint the mixture over charred areas of timber ?
Have not tried painting
This past week, our weather turned as well. I like the cooler, darker weather so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it'll last.
Me too Aaron. The heat can stay away
/cheers
i read an article in a book from around 1900 that said to boil the timbers in water with alum mixed in . the author claimed that the builder would never live long enough to see them rot,even if the builder was a very young man when this was done.
Very interesting. No reason to doubt it. Thank you for watching and the information!
What's alum?
Is THAT an abbreviation?
@@believeitlandscapemaintena7636 Alum is that stuff that women use downstairs to make their husbands think they are making love to a young virgin again. It works. You can order it from Amazon. My friend who was in Vietnam said all the local women used it. So maybe if it gets soaked into the pores of the wood it shrinks the pores tighter and dont let the water or fungi get in.
Whew that motor oil is dark! You should change your oil more often.
Of course heat changes the molecular structure of timber. It turns it into fire lol
So smart
Heat converts it from a solid to a gas, it's the gas that's combustible and ignites
Japanese have been charring wood like this for at least centuries.
I want to do burnt wood on my business sign that we are building. So two questions. After burning what is the best thing to use to clear coat it ? Second question if I do a light stain after I burn it do I need to do a clear coat over the stain? I know nothing about wood so have no clue what is the best clear to put on it
After burning you need to rinse it with water. Then let dry and coat with oil or oil based clear with UV inhibiting properties. No need for stain. Do not brush it if you want the alligator charring to remain, as you will brush it off. Lightly brush on the clear with a paint brush.
and this is the reason our ecosystem is fucked up...yep lets just put some motor oil and diesel in the ground smfh
Hopefully this isn't a dumb question, but: can you do this after treating wood with a borate solution? Or would that be overkill?
You could. Borate is great for insects and rot as well. I would do one or the other.
How long does it take for the posts to dry? Would it be okay to do this to wood that is exposed? Would the motor oil/diesel mix get on clothes etc. if I were to accidentally rub against it well after it's dried? I plan to make wooden planters from some large wooden crates I have. The wood is pine and has only been indoors used for shipping glass. No part of my crates will be buried. I'm just wondering if this would be better than painting.
Angie it will act like stain. Give it a few days to dry in the sun. I would use a 50/50 mixture. Remember used oil from a car will be more brown.
Great info, Tim, thank you.
So, after a few days in the sun, it wouldn’t smell, nor would it stain clothes, if used to build a cabin, for example?
@@zehii No it will dry. Takes a little longer than regular stain. It will eventually not smell either.
Way too long with little info
Great informational content Tim! Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
@@GreatPlainsCraftsman You are truly welcome Brother!
No one that has done a video on yakisubi has mentioned how deep to burn or how hot. To get proper results.
I wondered when teaching treated post would start?
hello Tim, great music, great video and as always a positive approach to life. thanks for continuing to tease us about the 'shelter.' cheers buddy
Hello William! Good to hear from you
Wow! How I love your opening music!!! Wish I knew what it is.
Great tip, thanks.
Thank you for tuning in
I am allergic to diesel and motor oil. Can I substitute linseed oil, vegetable oil, olive oil, or ?
Shelly for in ground treatments diesel and motor oil are the best. Linseed oil could work but just be sure to char the entire post section going into the ground to alligator char and that would be a good start. The carbon layer from burning and petroleum-based oil combination is what does the trick. For above ground treatments, linseed oil works good.
Does burning treated lumber help or hurt
You are not pressure treating lumber you are surface treating stop lying to people
Spray it on your trailer boards and they'll last
Can you do this to pressure-treated poles? They aren't all that well treated these days. Ever tried it?
Not on pressure treated Mike
Would used hydraulic oil work?
Thanks for sharing this method. I've seen people char and heard people use oil but wasn't sure the details. Would synthetic oil work the same as conventional oil?
Yes all oil is good
Yes
can you use synthetic motor oil?
Soak it in diesel for 6 months it will last forever
Does this help against termites