If they gave Peter a motorcycle people would complain and say "it makes him too cool". I remember hearing this when they had Andrew's Peter use a skateboard.
Exactly. Peter was just riding a skateboard for fun. Not cuz he's cool. I feel the people who say Peter's so cool are just losers who want to see Peter as a self insert
Finally they giving the treatment Tom's Spider-Man deserves, dude seen it all bout time we see CHAD PETER in the College Trilogy (and you know what they not gonna make Tom as the next RDJ) (SPOILERS) they killed the scope where Tom could have enjoyed the RDJ status but he's now The Spider-Man, the one and only Spider-Man
I’m guessing/hoping that’s the direction they’re going. It always felt like they were preparing him to stick around for a while (possibly longer than RDJ), and now with a new trilogy greenlit that might be the overall plan. Have a high school trilogy, a college trilogy, and then adult Peter (maybe as a supporting role like RDJ in Phase 3).
@@WyattoonsComics I think we probably will get a third trilogy because sony needs to keep making at least one spidey movie every five years to mantain the rights. So i think we'll get a third trilogy with the introduction of Miles Morales or another spiderman where Peter Parker needs to face absolutely dangerous threats like Kraven and the Sinister Six (But this time, all from his own reality). And, at same time engage and big crossover events as a suporting character like you said about RDJ in Infinity Saga. I know they planed a Kraven movie before the multiveser idea spread so i hoe Peter Parker dies at the end of third trilogy like in Ultimate series and Spiderverse movie, fighting Kraven or the sinister Six, would be emotional as hell and really iconic.
Spider-Man fans get introduced to the character in through so many different mediums & era it’s nice to see an essayist analyze the character through the lense of his original stories. A lot of nuance is lost on our guy Peter Parker.
Yeah that's what I dislike when people disregard the old comics we all have our own version of the characters but at least pay some respect to the classics
@@themangoman9315 He literally twists the source material to fit his own dumb little fantasy where the Ditko run was actually a sitcom like the MCU when it really wasn’t, he’s disingenuous
@@TolietWater I never said it was a sitcom because it was comedic, the tone is episodic and the consequences of each story on Peters social life are mainly gags and comical misunderstandings like it would be a in a sitcom, and it resets for the next issue. He isn’t saying it’s literally a sitcom, he’s saying that’s the feeling the comic gives off because that’s the lighter less serious tone that is intended. You’re dense in ways I didn’t think someone with a brain could be
I have a strong feeling that NWH will end with Peter following through on the initial spell to make the world forget his identity. It'll bring him back to his roots as a solo vigilante facing a world with bigger threats than what he faced in _Homecoming._ It's clear that the theme is Peter trying to have everything he wants without actually sacrificing anything. He wants the world to forget, but to keep the bonds he's formed with the sharing of his secret. But I'm pretty sure after seeing how everyone's lives are effected by his secret being out, that he learns the importance of his secrecy. By the end of the movie, he's gonna have to be strong and give up the things he wants the most, even his dreams. So after NWH, he would be going into University with a newfound maturity, understanding and weight brought on by his double life. Hopefully they bring back the fact that he trusts very few people with his identity, even other heroes, and even in space (I'm getting really tired of everyone taking off their masks/helmets every 5 seconds for the star value of the actors faces). MCU Spidey has had a specific arc centered around Peter growing up and facing bigger responsibilities. When he was starting out, he managed to have some helping hands and security with friends. But now that he's getting older, he's left facing those responsibilities alone. No Ned to build Lego's with while discussing Spider-man duties, no MJ to share his fears with, no Aunt May to alleviate his stress, and no Happy to keep him directly tied to the Avengers/Tony
@@alvinperezperez1158 Thanks. I also wonder if they will in fact have Tobey Maguire play MCU Uncle Ben, then Peter seeing the literal image of his uncle acting as Spider-man would lead to Peter starting to be more inspired by Ben’s memory as he chooses to be Spider-man, not to live up to others, and not solely because of guilt, but because it’s a responsibility he chooses to bear. I mean, hey. If Marvel decided a fan theory about the kid in Iron Man 2 was fun enough to be made canon (without ever actually delving into it directly in the movies), then making this fan request made since day 1 would be easy. Maybe something like Peter looking at old photographs in the list credits scene and we’re shown a picture of Uncle Ben with Aunt May and a younger Peter.
@@blurryperson2685 No, I’ve been doing my best to steer clear of those because of spoilers and I’d like to go into this movie without already knowing everything that’s gonna happen and how it’ll happen. I’ve only watched the 2 official trailers and none of the tv spots they release every. single. day.
"Leaving high school represented a total reset. New rules, new people, and a new cost for being Spider-Man, where all that Peter Parker took for granted is gone." It's so poetic that this video was released a week before No Way Home came out and yet the film perfectly honored this period of change from the comics.
The fact live action adaptions usually ignores that aspect is kinda annoying, he's not a socially akward bumbling nerd forever 😭, Andrew's version did it good tho
@@littleredruri yeah and now that NWH is watts’ last movie and Peter is going to be an adult, the lightheartedness that we’ve seen in Tom’s previous movies won’t be as present and we could get into more darker themes. Maybe we could even get black cat if Sony doesn’t do the dumbest thing ever by making her have her own movie first or a team up movie with silver sable like their leaked plans have shown before.
Comic Captain Stacey is the exact opposite of how he was in The Amazing Spider-Man. Nice to know he supported Spider-Man. Kinda reminds me of Spectacular Spider-Man.
This series of videos is what motivated me to read the classic Spidey comics even in spite of the old writing of the first issues, I just have to. I love you so much Implicitly Pretentious
The college period is definitely harder to pin down compared to the high school era, since really Peter's college days last all the way through I want to say 1982? So you've got Stan Lee, Gerry Conway, Len Wein, Marv Wolfman, and Denny O'Neill's runs to work through for a theoretical college trilogy of films. So there's a metric ton of material they can choose from going forward. That said, this is a fantastic rundown of Lee's contributions to this era, and the overall trajectory of Spidey as a character going forward. I can only hope the next filmmakers can be this thoughtful when considering where to take things next
@@tonylozano1728 Sure, but many of those are regressions trying to reclaim a very nostalgic period for the creative team or audience. I could see them using the idea of his doctorate being invalid as a way to complicate his life at some point, but I think in the movies they will probably push on without making things too convoluted. And I'm sure they'll take some inspiration from more modern stories too for a college trilogy, not unlike how No Way Home takes extremely loose inspiration from One Moment In Time, for example.
@@thebludragonwarrior That's EXACTLY why I love the MCU and the comics not so much. They have a gallery of amazing characters at their disposal, but they will never have an end to their story. It's retcon after retcon, the status quo always comes back. The MCU (and adaptations in general) make the story complete and rounded.
@@marxist-leninist-protagonist At this point the MCU has already revived several characters and resumed arcs that were already closed. Give them a little more time and Iron Man will appear in Secret Wars.
You know what I love about this channel? You’ve gotten more comfortable and come more into your comedic and intellectual own as things progressed. Kinda like the….Chad Implicitly Pretentious.
Ditko leaving because he didn't like Norman being the Goblin is a myth. Harry and Peter weren't even friendly at that time! Ditko's last comics heavily hint towards Norman being a bad guy anyways. I think he even flat out said once he wanted Norman to be the Green Goblin, but the issue was that Stan was pushing him to do it earlier than he wanted.
I think Peter being considered handsome is less about him being a chad and more about how self confidence can make people perceive you in a new light and also that sometimes people think you are more than you believe yourself to be, because all your life you were led to believe otherwise
Self confidence isn’t really what gets girls buddy. I’ve been depressed and still gotten laid. It’s looks. Peter was ugly before he got bit by the spider
I always figured peter looks more manly and confident and cool in college just because he has become a man who has grown up and I have always liked that a nerd can become a massive chad
It's amazing how many fans like HiTop don't understand these early comics. It's no wonder so many people are incapable of appreciating how true the MCU is to the OG comic books.
The problem with pre No Way Home MCU Peter was stuff like his obsession with Tony Stark to the point where most of his dialogue in Civil War, Infinity War, Homecomng and Far From Home was just "Mr Stark." Using Tony's gadgets instead of making his own, barely able to do things himself and being irresponsible at times and acting like banging Liz and later Michelle was more important than being Spider-Man.
Look man. I disagree with hitop on a lot , and agree there’s a lot of fans of movie series that don’t really know why they’re fans. But I think the greatest test of quality for any piece of media is time. It’s been 20 + years since the first raimi movies, and it still holds up. You can get all the details right and still make a not as compelling movie. Because movies are more than just plot . It took me a while to understand this
Steve Ditko quit Spiderman because he and Stan Lee didn't get along at all. He had no issue with Norman Osborne being the green goblin. Ditko said so himself in the pages of his self-published comic, "Mr. A"
After watching SPIDER-MAN NO WAY HOME I can now see that mcu s-m is a direct adaptation from the comics and that in the future if still there will be like this (he fits the bad luck ,temper ,trickster)
I think the only thing I kind of dislike about the Romita era is that Peter’s personality is so radically different after those first few issues post-Ditko. By the end of the Lee/Ditko run, while he developed incredibly, he still had that amazing INTx edge, as that was his roots. After the first few issues of the Romita era, it was gone until Lee remembered to throw in a few lines about his classes every now and then haha. Luckily, Romita developed the rest of the entire cast so damn well that it’s easy to forgive! Lol
The thing is that even in the first comics there was a contradiction, the comic book presented him as a shy kid, but when Flash is a dickhead to him he always answers with a energetic remark that doesn't seem like a "shy guy" would do, so you can explain this change as him gaining confidence after the bite. Actually, even in the first comic he shows a confident side, he asks one girl out and she answers "For the millionth time, you are not my type" so he asks the girl constantly even after being rejected so many times.. I'm a true INTP and I would never lol He even says: "Hey! There's a new science fair tonight! Does anyone want to go out with me?" and they don't accept.. A INTP wouldn't call anyone, they would want to be alone. It just seems he's a loner not because he's really introverted, but because people around him were dickheads or were jealous of him being the most intelligent of the class. (Or because he was too diferent from them, had different interests) This is a personality analysis of MCU Peter Parker and it says: "His social life is weak, but it's not because he doesn't want one. He may not be a social A-lister in high school, but it's not because he prefers to be alone." www.google.com/amp/s/www.16personalities.com/articles/peter-parker-aka-spider-man-the-personality-type-of-a-webslinger/amp "His banter is nonstop, not just while behind a mask, like other versions of the character, but even as Peter Parker." "You almost hear the lack of confidence in Peter's voice. He is always looking for others to validate him. He may act confident, but it's motivated from outside of himself rather than a sureness that comes from within. He cares too much what others think".
@@storiesby9181 the comics presented him as self-isolating, but his he wasn’t exactly the kind of shy that we associate with the word today. His inability to socialize properly stemmed from the fact that he outright rejected invitations from others, which furthered people’s perception of him as an outsider before the bite. Peter’s outward confidence grew post-spidey, but it’s not like he was completely unable to socialize beforehand. Rather, it was that he was a cold asshole who couldn’t see the flaws in himself, and that made him hard to approach. While being a victim of bullying for this attitude, Peter was never really that great of a guy before being Spider-Man. After Ben’s death and his tenure of Spidey, he slowly grew warmer and more active with others, which informed his characterization of others going forward in the Lee/Ditko run
@@stanfordfeynman2796 "He outright rejected invitations from others" I remember he just did this in the start of college, because he was worried with Aunt May and his Spider-Man life. We don't see much of him before the bite, just the first comic where people are mean to him because he's studious, in these comics (the only one before the bite) we just see him trying to socialize and people being mean to him.
@@storiesby9181 he still rejected invitations in high school, either for Spider-Man or for research with Professor Cobwell (kind of forgot what happened to him to be honest). This is why he and Liz never a fully became a couple, as he turned her date offer down since he was more concerned with studying for exams and figuring out Sandman’s weaknesses at the time. That is also the same issue where he berates Flash outright, which is in issue 4 if I remember correctly
Yeah, something tells me they'll have him in college and then have everything reset or make him homeless. Or maybe he'll be a dad. The MCU has a thing for dad's.
Man, this is amazing. I can now start to see the real essence of what being spiderman means, its bloody beautiful. And yet there is still a lot of debate about which movie version is better, when we actually now have the possibilty of watching a portrait of the character that can extend to the best of the comics. Mcu's spiderman has all things going forward to be the best, i hope it does.
I wonder if they might introduce captain Stacey in NWH. Not necessarily in a significant role, but just setting up the next phase of Spider-Man movies.
3:30 Remember True Believers Peter Parker, at one point in time, called his self made Spider silk _Spidey_ _Fluid_ Truly the mad lad ahead of his time 👏
I’ve been reading the amazing Spider-Man stories and you’re right on how the Peter changes from when he’s in high school to when he’s in college and I’ve been loving it just finished issue 103 yesterday
In defense of marvel’s Spider-Man would be cool it’s just three seasons implicitlypretentious supergirl just ended hope u do it soon if anyone can binge it it’s u it takes a few days if u straight binge
I remember I had these Marvel "Essencial" issues. It featured a couple storylines including the Spiderman no more storyline. Spidey stories alwaus had a ficinating way of pushing the whole comic book medium forward. A kid whose a hero instead of an adult. The public hates him instead of fawning over him. The intricate relationships he formed. The depths of tragedy like Gwen and Uncle Ben. The introduction of Venom. So many iconc storylines that so many other medims would borrow.
Love how much optimism this video essay gives me. Especially for the MCU in general, with king pin supposedly being a focus villain for Peter along w the symbiote
I supose, remembering the other video, if Tobey Maguire score1/3 and Tom Holland scores 2.5/3, we hope the second trilogy finally get our 3 of 3 from Tom Holland's Spider-man
I like this video, but still don't really get "bad temper Peter" point. Like sure, Peter have really short temper, but it's not THAT bad, it's very regular one I would argue. Tho I have to admit, in the college, Peter starts to lose himself more. I'm just saying this because I actually have bad temper like I'm pissed off, swear and insult people CONSTANTLY and believe me Peter isn't even close to that.
Peter has bad temper lol. Just cuz he can’t swear in an early comic doesn’t negate that. People act out in different ways when their temper is short and his is short probably due to some repressed trauma from losing his parents so young that they never ever explore
@@tonylozano1728my point wasn't about swearing, but acting in general because like I said I do have actual bad temper. And Peter was eventually swearing in the comics, but he wasn't using it often even tho he still had his short temper. You don't get that I agree Peter loses himself, but don't agree it's that often as people think. I see it as a 50/50 where it always depends on the situation just like for us people.
Oh and btw they did explore that his short temper and guilt comes from losing his parents bcz as almost any other kid who lost the parents in that age, he took the responsibility for it.
I love your videos and you helped me understand that hi top films has a good understanding of sam raimi Spider-Man but not the comic version of Spider-Man, u also helped me appreciate toms version better thank you for helping me ✌🏽✌🏽
There is debate as to whether or not Ditko really did leave over Norman Osborn being Green Goblin, seeing as how it was foreshadowed in issues that he worked on, as well as Norman's villainy in general. It was more likely just because he wasn't interested in being famous for comics the way Stan was, and seeing as how Marvel was getting pretty popular by the end of the 60s, fame was becoming unavoidable, so he left before too much more attention could be drawn to him.
There is no debate considering that Ditko wrote that he plotted it and never had an issue with the whole Green Goblin thing. That's a creation of idiotic fans . Ditko stated that he left due to a lack of communication from Leez not speaking with them for a year and not paying him for being a plotter.
It's interesting the comparison to the first spiderman trilogy because I actually always dislike them for how poor an adaptation they are and how the characters are so far removed from the comics.
I know there's a lot to unpack here, but I just love having learned that J.J.J. keeps a picture of Spider-Man's head on his wall so he can yell and shake his fist at it.
What are the songs you used ? Specially the first one! Very interesting video. I just discovered your channel and I love how you analyse the franchise !
Funny how people said Tom is the most comics accurate Peter by saying “he’s a kid still struggling with his life in highschool just like comics Peter”. The man was in highschool for 28 issues lol.
If they gave Peter a motorcycle people would complain and say "it makes him too cool". I remember hearing this when they had Andrew's Peter use a skateboard.
Depends on the motorcycle...Raimi's Peter had the best motorcycle Peter could have, he looked like a complete dork.
@@Jose-se9pu Exactly. I want Chad Peter dammit!
@@cliffbot638 you got that with The Amazing Spider-Man films
Exactly. Peter was just riding a skateboard for fun. Not cuz he's cool. I feel the people who say Peter's so cool are just losers who want to see Peter as a self insert
@@liltaco4119 That's what people think Stan Lee's intentions were. To be fair so did I but these videos have really opened my eyes.
Finally they giving the treatment Tom's Spider-Man deserves, dude seen it all bout time we see CHAD PETER in the College Trilogy (and you know what they not gonna make Tom as the next RDJ) (SPOILERS)
they killed the scope where Tom could have enjoyed the RDJ status but he's now The Spider-Man, the one and only Spider-Man
Hey wanted to say, great job for another analysis, and college Pete was amazing considering how far his grown from his highschool days.
Hopefully Tom will get a college trilogy similar to this period of Spidey.
I’m guessing/hoping that’s the direction they’re going. It always felt like they were preparing him to stick around for a while (possibly longer than RDJ), and now with a new trilogy greenlit that might be the overall plan. Have a high school trilogy, a college trilogy, and then adult Peter (maybe as a supporting role like RDJ in Phase 3).
@@WyattoonsComics I think we probably will get a third trilogy because sony needs to keep making at least one spidey movie every five years to mantain the rights. So i think we'll get a third trilogy with the introduction of Miles Morales or another spiderman where Peter Parker needs to face absolutely dangerous threats like Kraven and the Sinister Six (But this time, all from his own reality). And, at same time engage and big crossover events as a suporting character like you said about RDJ in Infinity Saga. I know they planed a Kraven movie before the multiveser idea spread so i hoe Peter Parker dies at the end of third trilogy like in Ultimate series and Spiderverse movie, fighting Kraven or the sinister Six, would be emotional as hell and really iconic.
Hope it's two movies instead of a trilogy
I agree. I hope they do this!
@@WyattoonsComics And also have a family! (Praying for Mayday and Anna)
Spider-Man fans get introduced to the character in through so many different mediums & era it’s nice to see an essayist analyze the character through the lense of his original stories. A lot of nuance is lost on our guy Peter Parker.
Yeah that's what I dislike when people disregard the old comics we all have our own version of the characters but at least pay some respect to the classics
@@themangoman9315 He literally twists the source material to fit his own dumb little fantasy where the Ditko run was actually a sitcom like the MCU when it really wasn’t, he’s disingenuous
@@TolietWaternah, it is. Reread it. It’s more disingenuous to completely disregard what’s he’s saying
@@cantthinkofaname5046 Just because it was comedic doesn’t mean it was a sitcom. That’s a stupid line of thinking
@@TolietWater I never said it was a sitcom because it was comedic, the tone is episodic and the consequences of each story on Peters social life are mainly gags and comical misunderstandings like it would be a in a sitcom, and it resets for the next issue. He isn’t saying it’s literally a sitcom, he’s saying that’s the feeling the comic gives off because that’s the lighter less serious tone that is intended. You’re dense in ways I didn’t think someone with a brain could be
I have a strong feeling that NWH will end with Peter following through on the initial spell to make the world forget his identity. It'll bring him back to his roots as a solo vigilante facing a world with bigger threats than what he faced in _Homecoming._ It's clear that the theme is Peter trying to have everything he wants without actually sacrificing anything. He wants the world to forget, but to keep the bonds he's formed with the sharing of his secret. But I'm pretty sure after seeing how everyone's lives are effected by his secret being out, that he learns the importance of his secrecy. By the end of the movie, he's gonna have to be strong and give up the things he wants the most, even his dreams.
So after NWH, he would be going into University with a newfound maturity, understanding and weight brought on by his double life. Hopefully they bring back the fact that he trusts very few people with his identity, even other heroes, and even in space (I'm getting really tired of everyone taking off their masks/helmets every 5 seconds for the star value of the actors faces).
MCU Spidey has had a specific arc centered around Peter growing up and facing bigger responsibilities. When he was starting out, he managed to have some helping hands and security with friends. But now that he's getting older, he's left facing those responsibilities alone. No Ned to build Lego's with while discussing Spider-man duties, no MJ to share his fears with, no Aunt May to alleviate his stress, and no Happy to keep him directly tied to the Avengers/Tony
I love your comment and would absolutely love to see this outcome. I think it’s an important part that has been missing in the new mcu movies.
@@alvinperezperez1158 Thanks. I also wonder if they will in fact have Tobey Maguire play MCU Uncle Ben, then Peter seeing the literal image of his uncle acting as Spider-man would lead to Peter starting to be more inspired by Ben’s memory as he chooses to be Spider-man, not to live up to others, and not solely because of guilt, but because it’s a responsibility he chooses to bear.
I mean, hey. If Marvel decided a fan theory about the kid in Iron Man 2 was fun enough to be made canon (without ever actually delving into it directly in the movies), then making this fan request made since day 1 would be easy. Maybe something like Peter looking at old photographs in the list credits scene and we’re shown a picture of Uncle Ben with Aunt May and a younger Peter.
You read the leaks didn’t you?
@@blurryperson2685 No, I’ve been doing my best to steer clear of those because of spoilers and I’d like to go into this movie without already knowing everything that’s gonna happen and how it’ll happen. I’ve only watched the 2 official trailers and none of the tv spots they release every. single. day.
don't click read more if you have not watched it
Spot on
"Leaving high school represented a total reset. New rules, new people, and a new cost for being Spider-Man, where all that Peter Parker took for granted is gone."
It's so poetic that this video was released a week before No Way Home came out and yet the film perfectly honored this period of change from the comics.
I didn't know Chad Peter existed and now that I know, I want this to be made into an adaptation
@VinceSM 😅 true enough I guess
Andrew is the chad Peter.
The fact live action adaptions usually ignores that aspect is kinda annoying, he's not a socially akward bumbling nerd forever 😭, Andrew's version did it good tho
@@IErikSteve nope he was only with one girl and he chased her like a loser. He wasn’t a chad. Flash is a chad
@@damiantirado9616 I've a master degree in Chads society and culture, I know what I am talking about.
I wonder if we’ll get something similar in Tom’s next trilogy
We will. Swear on my life, we will.
@@littleredruri yeah and now that NWH is watts’ last movie and Peter is going to be an adult, the lightheartedness that we’ve seen in Tom’s previous movies won’t be as present and we could get into more darker themes. Maybe we could even get black cat if Sony doesn’t do the dumbest thing ever by making her have her own movie first or a team up movie with silver sable like their leaked plans have shown before.
Comic Captain Stacey is the exact opposite of how he was in The Amazing Spider-Man. Nice to know he supported Spider-Man. Kinda reminds me of Spectacular Spider-Man.
We would've seen it if they didn't try to retell the origin or if they didn't kill Captain Stacy in the end.
I just want adult Spidey at this point. I’m sick of him always being in school.
This series of videos is what motivated me to read the classic Spidey comics even in spite of the old writing of the first issues, I just have to.
I love you so much Implicitly Pretentious
The college period is definitely harder to pin down compared to the high school era, since really Peter's college days last all the way through I want to say 1982? So you've got Stan Lee, Gerry Conway, Len Wein, Marv Wolfman, and Denny O'Neill's runs to work through for a theoretical college trilogy of films. So there's a metric ton of material they can choose from going forward. That said, this is a fantastic rundown of Lee's contributions to this era, and the overall trajectory of Spidey as a character going forward. I can only hope the next filmmakers can be this thoughtful when considering where to take things next
Peter is almost ALWAYS in college lol. They keep extending it, or making him drop out to restart, or making his doctorate invalid so he has to go back
@@tonylozano1728 Sure, but many of those are regressions trying to reclaim a very nostalgic period for the creative team or audience. I could see them using the idea of his doctorate being invalid as a way to complicate his life at some point, but I think in the movies they will probably push on without making things too convoluted. And I'm sure they'll take some inspiration from more modern stories too for a college trilogy, not unlike how No Way Home takes extremely loose inspiration from One Moment In Time, for example.
@@thebludragonwarrior That's EXACTLY why I love the MCU and the comics not so much. They have a gallery of amazing characters at their disposal, but they will never have an end to their story. It's retcon after retcon, the status quo always comes back.
The MCU (and adaptations in general) make the story complete and rounded.
@@marxist-leninist-protagonist At this point the MCU has already revived several characters and resumed arcs that were already closed. Give them a little more time and Iron Man will appear in Secret Wars.
Doc Ock: “You’re not Peter Parker.”
Peter Parker: 10:13
Absolutely loving this retrospective. Makes me appreciate the comics even more so thanks for this!
You know what I love about this channel? You’ve gotten more comfortable and come more into your comedic and intellectual own as things progressed.
Kinda like the….Chad Implicitly Pretentious.
Ditko leaving because he didn't like Norman being the Goblin is a myth. Harry and Peter weren't even friendly at that time! Ditko's last comics heavily hint towards Norman being a bad guy anyways. I think he even flat out said once he wanted Norman to be the Green Goblin, but the issue was that Stan was pushing him to do it earlier than he wanted.
Making a great video does not excuse that last line💀💀
10:11
hahaha
“I'm so confused right now”
I love your channel man. You’re definitely one of the best video essay creators. Your videos help get me through the days and I thank you for it
7:32 "i have no intention of simmering down. This man made my aunt faint and HES STILL OUT THERE!"
I think Peter being considered handsome is less about him being a chad and more about how self confidence can make people perceive you in a new light and also that sometimes people think you are more than you believe yourself to be, because all your life you were led to believe otherwise
Self confidence isn’t really what gets girls buddy. I’ve been depressed and still gotten laid. It’s looks.
Peter was ugly before he got bit by the spider
The more I watch these the more I see what direction mcu spider-man is going in. Hopefully we get these college stories told in the future!
hoping MCU Spidey goes through this route as well
I always figured peter looks more manly and confident and cool in college just because he has become a man who has grown up and I have always liked that a nerd can become a massive chad
Unless you're the Hulk, then you go from Chad to nerd while your college room mate us both a Chad and a nerd
The last line really blended in with the song this time.
Becoming my favourite channel, always look forward to your videos mate
I feel like half of this video is less of an analysis and more just simping for Chad Peter and you know what I can’t blame you
It's amazing how many fans like HiTop don't understand these early comics. It's no wonder so many people are incapable of appreciating how true the MCU is to the OG comic books.
The problem with pre No Way Home MCU Peter was stuff like his obsession with Tony Stark to the point where most of his dialogue in Civil War, Infinity War, Homecomng and Far From Home was just "Mr Stark." Using Tony's gadgets instead of making his own, barely able to do things himself and being irresponsible at times and acting like banging Liz and later Michelle was more important than being Spider-Man.
@@Xehanort10like how Raimi Spider-Man did with his MJ?
Look man. I disagree with hitop on a lot , and agree there’s a lot of fans of movie series that don’t really know why they’re fans.
But I think the greatest test of quality for any piece of media is time. It’s been 20 + years since the first raimi movies, and it still holds up. You can get all the details right and still make a not as compelling movie. Because movies are more than just plot . It took me a while to understand this
Steve Ditko quit Spiderman because he and Stan Lee didn't get along at all. He had no issue with Norman Osborne being the green goblin. Ditko said so himself in the pages of his self-published comic, "Mr. A"
Fun Fact: Peter's full name isnt Peter Benjamin Parker. Its actually Peter "Player" Parker. Cuz my boi is a PLAYER.
Ditko quitting over Green Goblin is apocryphal. He quit because he felt disrespected by Stan who supposedly wouldn't talk to him.
It's crazy you posted the sequel of a six-month-old video exactly on the day I watched it.
Learning a lot more of Peter Parker is fun.
After watching SPIDER-MAN NO WAY HOME I can now see that mcu s-m is a direct adaptation from the comics and that in the future if still there will be like this (he fits the bad luck ,temper ,trickster)
"happy go lucky trickster" dude i swear to fucking god
6:30 “not living his uncles dreams” portion made me tear up. Hit different
I think the only thing I kind of dislike about the Romita era is that Peter’s personality is so radically different after those first few issues post-Ditko. By the end of the Lee/Ditko run, while he developed incredibly, he still had that amazing INTx edge, as that was his roots. After the first few issues of the Romita era, it was gone until Lee remembered to throw in a few lines about his classes every now and then haha. Luckily, Romita developed the rest of the entire cast so damn well that it’s easy to forgive! Lol
The thing is that even in the first comics there was a contradiction, the comic book presented him as a shy kid, but when Flash is a dickhead to him he always answers with a energetic remark that doesn't seem like a "shy guy" would do, so you can explain this change as him gaining confidence after the bite. Actually, even in the first comic he shows a confident side, he asks one girl out and she answers "For the millionth time, you are not my type" so he asks the girl constantly even after being rejected so many times.. I'm a true INTP and I would never lol He even says: "Hey! There's a new science fair tonight! Does anyone want to go out with me?" and they don't accept.. A INTP wouldn't call anyone, they would want to be alone. It just seems he's a loner not because he's really introverted, but because people around him were dickheads or were jealous of him being the most intelligent of the class. (Or because he was too diferent from them, had different interests) This is a personality analysis of MCU Peter Parker and it says: "His social life is weak, but it's not because he doesn't want one. He may not be a social A-lister in high school, but it's not because he prefers to be alone." www.google.com/amp/s/www.16personalities.com/articles/peter-parker-aka-spider-man-the-personality-type-of-a-webslinger/amp "His banter is nonstop, not just while behind a mask, like other versions of the character, but even as Peter Parker." "You almost hear the lack of confidence in Peter's voice. He is always looking for others to validate him. He may act confident, but it's motivated from outside of himself rather than a sureness that comes from within. He cares too much what others think".
@@storiesby9181 the comics presented him as self-isolating, but his he wasn’t exactly the kind of shy that we associate with the word today. His inability to socialize properly stemmed from the fact that he outright rejected invitations from others, which furthered people’s perception of him as an outsider before the bite. Peter’s outward confidence grew post-spidey, but it’s not like he was completely unable to socialize beforehand. Rather, it was that he was a cold asshole who couldn’t see the flaws in himself, and that made him hard to approach. While being a victim of bullying for this attitude, Peter was never really that great of a guy before being Spider-Man. After Ben’s death and his tenure of Spidey, he slowly grew warmer and more active with others, which informed his characterization of others going forward in the Lee/Ditko run
@@stanfordfeynman2796 "He outright rejected invitations from others" I remember he just did this in the start of college, because he was worried with Aunt May and his Spider-Man life. We don't see much of him before the bite, just the first comic where people are mean to him because he's studious, in these comics (the only one before the bite) we just see him trying to socialize and people being mean to him.
@@storiesby9181 he still rejected invitations in high school, either for Spider-Man or for research with Professor Cobwell (kind of forgot what happened to him to be honest). This is why he and Liz never a fully became a couple, as he turned her date offer down since he was more concerned with studying for exams and figuring out Sandman’s weaknesses at the time. That is also the same issue where he berates Flash outright, which is in issue 4 if I remember correctly
Yeah, something tells me they'll have him in college and then have everything reset or make him homeless. Or maybe he'll be a dad. The MCU has a thing for dad's.
He's new sugar daddy will be Norman Osborn (kidding)
@@heitoroliveira5166 oh, Norman would love that though 😸
Hopefully will see finally become one, instead of his baby getting kidnapped and killed by the green goblin
@@TupocalypseShakur I ready to meet a live action May Day Parker.
@@katherinealvarez9216 I love MCU Spidey so far. Its ok if you dont but I personally love him
Man, this is amazing. I can now start to see the real essence of what being spiderman means, its bloody beautiful. And yet there is still a lot of debate about which movie version is better, when we actually now have the possibilty of watching a portrait of the character that can extend to the best of the comics. Mcu's spiderman has all things going forward to be the best, i hope it does.
I wonder if they might introduce captain Stacey in NWH. Not necessarily in a significant role, but just setting up the next phase of Spider-Man movies.
The spider GOAT returns
Having gwen in the next movie might be a great idea, he met dr connors, he met harry osborn, he remembers what happened, and tries to cope.
The thumbnail reminds me of that one scene from Metal Gear Rising where Armstrong snaps Raiden's sword
I found this lack of trauma..... facinating in a way
Love ur vids! really underrated! Keep up the good work!!!
We just gonna act like you ain’t say that thing about this man’s ding-a-ling?
3:30 Remember True Believers
Peter Parker, at one point in time, called his self made Spider silk
_Spidey_ _Fluid_
Truly the mad lad ahead of his time 👏
These video essays rock
I’ve been reading the amazing Spider-Man stories and you’re right on how the Peter changes from when he’s in high school to when he’s in college and I’ve been loving it just finished issue 103 yesterday
In defense of marvel’s Spider-Man would be cool it’s just three seasons
implicitlypretentious supergirl just ended hope u do it soon if anyone can binge it it’s u it takes a few days if u straight binge
That last line was out of no where
10:45, "more than superhero stuff"?!?! Looking forward to it Trauma-daddy. Cheers and have a nice weekend/holiday.
Honestly if they gave Tom a bike in the next trilogy I wouldn't complain at all, not a shitty one like Tobey's, but a simple and affordable one
10:07
Me after watching No Way Home: 😏
I remember I had these Marvel "Essencial" issues. It featured a couple storylines including the Spiderman no more storyline.
Spidey stories alwaus had a ficinating way of pushing the whole comic book medium forward.
A kid whose a hero instead of an adult.
The public hates him instead of fawning over him.
The intricate relationships he formed.
The depths of tragedy like Gwen and Uncle Ben.
The introduction of Venom.
So many iconc storylines that so many other medims would borrow.
I love it when you analyze the Spider-Man Comics, hoping to see more.
Hopefully
Loved this and your last one on Peter. Thanks!
Okok… the end got me😂😂
Love how much optimism this video essay gives me. Especially for the MCU in general, with king pin supposedly being a focus villain for Peter along w the symbiote
Guess who is in their first day at uni?
Miles Warren?
Who’s here after the NWH ending?👀
I supose, remembering the other video, if Tobey Maguire score1/3 and Tom Holland scores 2.5/3, we hope the second trilogy finally get our 3 of 3 from Tom Holland's Spider-man
Pete’s College Years are the definitive era of Spider-Man.
I like this video, but still don't really get "bad temper Peter" point. Like sure, Peter have really short temper, but it's not THAT bad, it's very regular one I would argue. Tho I have to admit, in the college, Peter starts to lose himself more.
I'm just saying this because I actually have bad temper like I'm pissed off, swear and insult people CONSTANTLY and believe me Peter isn't even close to that.
Peter has bad temper lol. Just cuz he can’t swear in an early comic doesn’t negate that. People act out in different ways when their temper is short and his is short probably due to some repressed trauma from losing his parents so young that they never ever explore
I think he means in comparison to the Sam Raimi Peter Parker everyone goes off of
@@tonylozano1728my point wasn't about swearing, but acting in general because like I said I do have actual bad temper. And Peter was eventually swearing in the comics, but he wasn't using it often even tho he still had his short temper.
You don't get that I agree Peter loses himself, but don't agree it's that often as people think. I see it as a 50/50 where it always depends on the situation just like for us people.
@@danielhart7435 yeah that's fair.
Oh and btw they did explore that his short temper and guilt comes from losing his parents bcz as almost any other kid who lost the parents in that age, he took the responsibility for it.
I love your videos and you helped me understand that hi top films has a good understanding of sam raimi Spider-Man but not the comic version of Spider-Man, u also helped me appreciate toms version better thank you for helping me ✌🏽✌🏽
Sounds like a response video to Browntable's Spider Chad.
College Peter>>>>>>>>High School Peter
"Teenagers can only be sidekicks" is EXACTLY why I prefer him in college.
Spiderman at its very core is a coming of age story on a grounded but at the same time fantastical scale
There is debate as to whether or not Ditko really did leave over Norman Osborn being Green Goblin, seeing as how it was foreshadowed in issues that he worked on, as well as Norman's villainy in general. It was more likely just because he wasn't interested in being famous for comics the way Stan was, and seeing as how Marvel was getting pretty popular by the end of the 60s, fame was becoming unavoidable, so he left before too much more attention could be drawn to him.
There is no debate considering that Ditko wrote that he plotted it and never had an issue with the whole Green Goblin thing. That's a creation of idiotic fans . Ditko stated that he left due to a lack of communication from Leez not speaking with them for a year and not paying him for being a plotter.
As someone who’s only knowledge about Captain Stacy is that he died, the end leaves me waiting for the other shoe to drop
Fantastic video! I really REALLY love your Spider-Man comic-related videos so much. They articulate so many of my own thoughts and feelings so well
Waiting on the No Way Home video, if you got anything on it. Thank you again.
His what!? AYOO!! HARD PAUSE!!! 😱😱🤨🤨😑
What's the song He always plays during the outro
YESSSS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!
Can't wait for you to cover David Michelinie run.
It's interesting the comparison to the first spiderman trilogy because I actually always dislike them for how poor an adaptation they are and how the characters are so far removed from the comics.
I know there's a lot to unpack here, but I just love having learned that J.J.J. keeps a picture of Spider-Man's head on his wall so he can yell and shake his fist at it.
The Green Goblin thing is not true. It was over plotting pay and lack of talking from Lee.
These are really great videos , thank you so much for sharing these wonderful comics :)!!! :>) :> ! !!
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i'm here for the trauma
Did you use subahibi song, i swear i heard something familiar
Peter Parker sigma male grindset
This was great!!!
What are the songs you used ? Specially the first one!
Very interesting video. I just discovered your channel and I love how you analyse the franchise !
Oh shit chad peter is op watch out bully maguire
I’m diggin the background tunes 🎶❤️
you make some of my favorite youtube videos ever
Part 3 coming out when?
Chad Peter, the best type of Peter.
The ending of the video 😭😭
2:30 just like the movies
Man, the ending really took a hard left turn
Dude I started reading Spiderman yesterday it was so good that I'm on roger stern run now #301 I found roger stern to be better than stanlee run
I think people Overrate Lee's Spider-Man, like yeah he created him but there are people who i think make better stories about him.
I wanna see sigma Peter, or just any superhero on that sigma grind
Please keep this series up to issue 200 (incidentally, exactly what I've read)
10:10 😶🔫
Funny how people said Tom is the most comics accurate Peter by saying “he’s a kid still struggling with his life in highschool just like comics Peter”.
The man was in highschool for 28 issues lol.
That’s basically two full seasons of a tv show with the way comics release
Tobey maguire is the least accurate but he’s still a good spidey