"My answer is 'I don't know', and your answer is 'Something beyond comprehension', aren't those the same answers?" Piers didn't even acknowledge this question lmao.
Not really. Because the 'something beyond comprehension' also comes with a label, some stories that very hard to believe and a bunch of rules that claim to be divine, but are kinda meh. Meanwhile, the 'I don't know' leaves enough space for something that may become very comprehensable at some point.
What's really great is that if you've actually read Penn's book it becomes so clear that Piers hasn't read a page of it or he wouldn't be reacting like this
He never does. He reads the title and is just like every other person that is religious, offended! They seem to have the right to be offended by everything, whyle they offend the facts with their no evidence needed god!
Camelworks my man. Thank you for raising me as a young lad. I have spent many hours listening to your voice. I’m glad you agree that Piers Morgan is a fucking cunt! Love you.
AlecNeate333 What do you mean by "what came before God", we know exactly what was before God nothing, God always was and always will be. You like to assume that we don't know what was before God.
@Brady Migel religion is much weaker than science science has diagnostic equipment better than ever before if you believe that creation came about and was created in six 24-hour periods by an all-powerful being, how come there is no diagnostic equipment with measurable data to back that up and all the books that religious people point to as truthful were written by Men Without one single diagnostic tool?
There's no requirement in life to understand how we got here or where we're going after we demise because you will still live and breathe get sick grow old have s*** happened Etc regardless of whether we know what happened at the beginning or what's going to happen after we die. But if we don't bother to concern ourselves with how we live and how we effect others and the world around us, then we will have great difficulty and probably demise much quicker for example if we don't bother to find out how we find food how we assist others like our children or parents how we learn information and what information we learn to hold a job then life becomes much more difficult. It is learning and understanding the mechanics of how we live that allow us and in the long run our children to thrive and increase our longevity, not how did we get here or what happens after we die
Coming from a christian, Penn Jillette was very respectful and had a lot of great points. And it's upsetting that Piers Morgan was not doing so in return. I may not agree with Penn, but atleast he was able to show some kind of courtesy.
@@Crypto_Fox_ Do you remember the Salem witch trials? Or the time Peter cut off another mans ear? How about the countless street preachers that tell people there going to hell? Or the time we got to beat our slaves as hard as we want as long as they were able to recover in three days time? By the way, aren't you being rude by calling me a liar without falsifying my claim?
Adamant Annihilator I can tell you’re not informed on this topic. Lots of street preachers tell people where they’re headed, and that’s hell. They try to explain to you what you need to do and repent from your sins. Preachers that only preach to others that they’re going to hell aren’t real Christians. Real Christians repent and trust in Jesus Christ as their savior. It’s a hard thing to understand until you become one.
@@calliope4293 Evolution can explain morality far better than any religion. How on Earth do you possibly think that a celestial dictator is necessary to tell us that murder or theft are bad? Do you want to be murdered or stolen from? Virtually everyone would answer “no” and so we all want murder and theft to be illegal. Morality does not originate with gods. Humans and many other social animals form moral thoughts. This was obviously a necessary evolutionary development. In a hostile environment, those social groups that cooperated and helped each other survived while they would not have if they were at each other’s throats. Evolution even developed a hormone called oxytocin to assist empathy. In studies, animals with oxytocin deficiencies exhibited reduced empathy. Empathy and cooperation are not entirely altruistic characteristics. Every member of the group is better off by engaging in cooperative behaviour, what we can call enlightened self-interest. Religions are no more than a set of rules representing the views of the societies in which they were invented. Religion reduces the natural empathy and morality of society by oppressing those who are different from the majority, such as gays, and imposing ritualistic rules that do not make any sense for the welfare of individuals in society. It also does not allow people as a group to learn from mistaken thinking of the past and move past it. It was hard to abolish slavery because society could point to the Bible supporting it. It has been the same for every advance such as abolishing racial segregation, giving women equal rights, and ceasing treating gays as second-class citizens because all these ideas went directly against "the word of God". As slavery abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison said, “all advances in human rights have been anti-Bible”.
I'm a Christian and Penn is always great to listen to. He is a great example of how to articulate your beliefs to another person (religious or atheist). Always respectful and of course intelligent. Keep on goin' Penn :)
3:02 Do my ears decieve me? Did I just hear a TV personality speak the words, "You cannot write a book basically telling a bunch of people, 'You're all wrong.'" Did a person who no doubt defends freedom of the press tell Penn Jillette that he CAN'T say certain things? Am I hallucinating this?
Morgan illustrates here very clearly why he doesn't understand. It's because he doesn't want to understand. He doesn't listen. He doesn't let Penn finish a sentence. He doesn't care what Penn has to say. I don't know why he's even interviewing him. He doesn't want to learn. He wants to preach. He's already made up his mind that he's right, based on literally nothing. There is no point in trying to have a conversation with somebody who is intellectually dishonest.
@@twelve5130 there's a difference between "I don't know" and "god did it". Just because you don't understand how the universe came doesn't mean god did it. That's an argument from ignorance, a logical fallacy. Can you tell me where did you get that idea that god created the universe ?
@@twelve5130 No, and neither can you. Don't sidestep the question lol. There's something called intellectual honesty, and when you don't understand something, the answer is not automatically magic or god. The correct position to hold when you don't know something is I DON'T KNOW. But we can try to find out.
"You can't write a book telling people they're all wrong and then also telling them that you yourself don't have any explanations"....WRONG! YOU CAN BECAUSE IT'S OKAY TO NOT KNOW SOMETHING...IT'S ONLY WRONG TO ASSUME YOU DO...
Yeah, but isn't the Bible a book that tells Billions of people who don't follow Christianity that they're wrong? Yet again, contradiction from Religion.
@@MrMattallica89 my problem with the bible is it assumes too much and claims everyone else is wrong when in actuality they dont know anything they take it upon faith They beLIEve they are right with lil to no evidence to support it
@@PDeRop how would an agnostic fit into the picture then who also admits they don't know for sure, but believe in something more? Is it more correct to not know and believe there is something more than us? Or more correct to not know and believe in nothing beyond ourselves?
Lol, that last comment from Piers. That's the difference between science and religion. A scientist isn't afraid to admit they don't know. Religion claims to have an answer for everything
In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. -- Carl Sagan 1987 CSICOP Keynote Address
Hilarious! Every video I've seen in relation to Atheism Vs Religion, the Religious people never have any ACTUAL argument. It's always so vague, illogical and convenient. I have not heard one SINGLE argument from them that has made me stop and think "well hey, they have a point there". The day that that happens, I will gladly admit it out loud.
Mac Verishe you’ve got it all wrong my friend. You say you believe it god yes? I ask can you prove it? You say you can’t. (as let’s face it, you can’t). So I say I don’t believe it then. It really is that simple, It is not a belief system/religion. If you could prove a god existed I’d be open to it
Mac Verishe that’s absolutely fine you believe in it bro. But I’m just stating that I will not believe anything without proof. And that’s all atheism is, therefore it isn’t a religion. Which was the original point you were trying to make.
@Mac Verishe why do you people struggle so much with the definition of atheism? i do understand that you understand how incredibly stupid religions are so you try to drag atheism down to that level and want to label it a religion. But saying that atheism is a religion is like saying that not collecting stamps is a hobby, it's just idiotic
Saying there is no god. & no purpose & no meaning is suffocating, stagnant and worthless. Especially when you cannot disprove god. Whereas the fact that you exist proves god.
orbit chewinggum Nothing proves god, especially not existence (which we Do actually have Actual Reasonable possibilities besides supernatural ones that can account for it), and because nothing can prove god exists that makes it a positive claim/assertion; The burden of proof is on the ones positing the claim/assertion, not its opposite. If I said I own a lion and you don't believe me, then I don't get to just say "Well, prove me wrong? Hah, you can't, can you?!" No, because the burden of proof would be on Me for making the claim. The fact that god can't technically be disproven is in no way whatsoever even remotely good evidence or reason for his/her/its existence, hell it's not even Bad evidence it's just.. Not Evidence At All. You can't disprove Invisible Purple Unicorns or Magical Leprechauns either. So should we worship those, and devote our lives to them based on what people write about them?!
@@orbitchewinggum2101 The fact that we exist proves god.....how so? Where's the proof for that? I exist because of evolution. That has been proven beyond any doubt.
In addition, just because we don't know they answer to something, it doesn't mean you can fill in the gaps with a unlikely and unproved deity. If God created the universe, who created God, you get no closer to the answer except now you've got to explain where God came from
And then theists will claim "My god exists beyond space and time." "Either a god exists or it doesn't exist. If a god does exist, it either interacts with the universe in some detectable way or it doesn't. If it doesn't, that god is indistinguishable from a non-existent god." Matt Dillahunty
Penn : " Saying I don't know and something beyond comprehension is basically the same answer". Piers response : "You can't just write a book without having the answers".
@@Eisenbison if science doesnt know everything then im science knows nothing scientist believe nothing created everything and that humans came from mud. I'm DEFINATELY sticking with God 😂😂
@@favenfoster4769 No, that's actually what you believe. There isn't a single reputable scientist who will say that the universe came from absolutely nothing. But that's exactly what YOU believe. The Bible tells us that the universe was created from nothing by an omnipresent, omnipotent, anthropomorphic sky genie, using nothing more than an incantation spell. Then it tells us that the first humans were created out of mud/clay figures using a golem spell.
@@Eisenbison umm no I dont believe that cuz that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I only believe scientist said it because I've done the research. Look up the law of conversation of mass. Once you research first then come back but coming back isnt gonna get you anywhere. Believe what you want but guess what, God is coming back whether you're ready or not. I pray you find direction befoee it's too late! Have a good day. Bye
@@favenfoster4769 have him come back soon so I can tell him what a gigantic cunt he is for giving my little cousin cancer when he has the choice not give it in the first place. If I do see him the last thing i'll do with him is bow for him.
I love how the religious person thinks atheists are scared of dying 😂 we’re not the ones who need to tell ourselves a make believe story in order to feel better about death.
So Piers boldly states that he prefers the self-deception of "I just want this to be true" to the honesty of "I don't know". That illuminates a large part of why he appears to think so highly of himself.
"Where do you go when you die" Penns reaction was like "What the hell kind of question is tha- oh, that's right. I'm debating religion, that's what they believe..."
As Carl Sagan once said, “Perhaps our descendants will regard our present ignorance with as much sympathy as we feel for the ancients for not knowing whether the Earth went around the sun.”
This is a good example of how reliegion works; repeat what you are told until you believe it. Pierce keeps asking Penn to explain our existence, he pretends he doesn't hear Penn telling him that "there is something beyond our comprehension" is the same as saying "I don't know". If you cannot comprehend something, then you don't know it.
Piers: "this particular premise angers me. I think it's a deliberately provocative stance!" *A few moments later* Penn: "I don't know if you've seen The Book of Mormon" Piers: "Oh yeah, it's brilliant!" What a lack of self awareness 😂🤦♂️
I like how someone not having an answer automatically means Piers Morgan is right. You don't have to have an answer to tell someone their answer is wrong, especially if what you say is wrong has no evidence whatsoever.
"I never hear an atheist give me any answers to: How did we get here? and What happens at the end of our lives?" History. That started with the big bang. Oh and at the end of my life my body is probably burnt by my relatives.
I love how he cannot even answer the simplest question for religion, how we got here. There is a supreme being blah blah blah that wishy washy stuff. Jesus christ, at least know the myths if your gonna subscribe to them.
@@Iv3y_Lamar So Jesus Christ is your God? Who created everything in six days? Who created Adam? Who told Noah to build an ark? Who confound the languages in Babel? Who wanted Abraham to sacrify his son? Who gave Moses the 10 commandments? Or the Old Testament doesn't count?
@@Limpi43 Old testament still counts. It is the same God in both, Jesus. The old helps us have a good understanding of the teachings of the bible, the 10 commandments were the Law that God knew that mankind would not be able to uphold, that was to show us that we are sinful beings after the world was corrupted by sin and death. Therefore, God created a way in order for us to be redeemed. And that way is through Jesus Christ.
@@Iv3y_Lamar If the Old Testament count then Jesus is NOT your God. He's the one and only son of God. It's in the Bible! It's written in the New Testament. When I have to tell that to a "religious" person, then it's something very wrong with that person. Or that inconsistent religion. But it's rather both. I'm so glad that bad habit called religion is dying out. It is as stupid as flat earth.
pfft. Im a Christian, and im not insulted by his book. I love Penn; hes actually really kind to religious people. One of the reasons I love him so much outside of being a libertarian. Freedom of Speech = U get to say w/e the fuck you want at any time.
I don't know how Penn does this. I've seen him in arguments like this a lot where the other person won't even listen, and they talk over him constantly. When I'm in arguments like that, I end up walking away. He stands his ground; he's patiently trying to chime in. A lot of respect.
Matt Dillihaunty really needs to take Piers to task on the god question cause Matt definitely will not be talked over. Piers committed about 12 billion fallacies in his short tirade there.
I don't understand why old people worry about this stuff and use it as a reason to believe in god. I was 3 or 4 when I contemplated this stuff and 12 when I realised it was irrelevant. It's not a relevant question, we exist because at this point in the universe, the variables resulted in us. Had the variables been different, we would either be something else, or not exist.
“When it comes to this particular premise, ‘God, no,’ you anger me.” “Do I really?” “Yes, because I think it’s a deliberately provocative stance you take.” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That’s especially funny coming from Piers Morgan because he’s deliberately provocative all the time.
I live in central california where the valley get to be 110 and above. I had no air conditioner working in my car. I was jamming out to my music. Singing to God. I didn’t really notice how much i was sweating until drips of sweat came down off my arm. All a sudden within two seconds i got chills all over my body and my hairs on my arm stuck straight up. It lasted about 10 seconds and the chill went away. You atheists can’t tell me that wasn’t an act of God. Not saying you should up and believe my story right away. No, but you should questioning yourself is God real, instead of ignoring my story. I used be hesitant that jesus was the savior i prayed to God to show me a way that jesus is the savior. And another situation before this one i told you about happen that lead me to believe jesus is our savior. You atheists should be doing the same. Praying to God to show you a sign that God is the creator. And reading your bible in the mean time till God shows you a clear sign. That’s what i did.
Piers' "Where do you go? Where do you go when you die?" is perfect. It completely sums up the fear associated with the inability to comprehend not existing. That's all it is. Fear, imagination, and time...these three things have kept running the ancient engines of religion.
This is unfortunately the Theist position, and there's no excuse for it in the 21st century. "I have no better explanation, therefore God......" is one of the most asinine stances you can take.
How hard is it to say "I dont know" Im comfortable with saying I dont know. Im even ooen to lets findnsome evidence to figre it out . But you cant just make stuff uo and say if you can't prove me wrog I must be right, doesnt work like that.
You also cannot sincerely mean, "I don't know" when you say it while ruling out a possibility simply because you don't like the implications. Many have said, "not every religion can be right, but they can all be wrong." The problem is theism isn't religion, and even if every religion is wrong, that wouldn't mean there is no god.
I’m not an atheist at all but penn proves some good points about speaking their mi d in whatever you believe in. We can still get along and form lifelong relationships with people with opposing viewpoints. People need to know that (cough, cough liberals and conservatives)
If my beliefs "annoy and agitate" people who don't share those beliefs that's not my problem. In fact, keep it to yourself; I don't really care. Furthermore, it doesn't matter how we got here, and the only people who know what happens at the end of life are dead. Pointless questions, but he was there to promote his book, so-- mission accomplished!
Piers is closed minded. He believes what he was taught by nuns when he was a child and has not questioned it. I guess whatever he heard first is what he was going to believe in for life. If he were born in another country or time period he would have believed in something different just as much. That alone should make a person question their beliefs. He is comfortable in his beliefs and can't be bothered with logic. In other areas he would think more rationally but fear prevents it with religion
Penn has selective amnesia about the Atheist Mao and Stalin and their brothers in crime like Kim Jong, Polpot .... systematically massacred millions through execution, starvation, torture etc.
Those regimes were blatantly religious in their adoration of their leaders and leaders past like Lenin in the case of Russia, or Marx in the case of everywhere else. Same with North Korea, the only remaining true communist state, with its reverence of it's past two leaders. The actual leader of North Korea is the deceased grandfather of the current leader. Because of that, Christopher Hitchens termed it a "necrocracy." Lets take Stalin for example. He would have show trials, which were analogous to the Inquisition. Lysenko's biology, with it promise of grand harvests 3 times a year. The constant thanking of the dictator for everything they have. There is a quote, I don't know from who, but it goes along the lines of all dictatorships at their core are theocracies, I do think that is quite the fair generalization. There has never been a civilization that crumbled because its people became too reasonable.
Piers failing or refusing to grasp the concept of “I don’t know” sometimes been the only honest answer. “I’ve never heard any atheist give an answer to this”…….because it’s Irrelavent to Atheism Piers!! “How did all this get here?” - “I don’t know, what evidence do you have that it was god?” “What happens after we die?” - “I don’t know, what evidence do you have for an afterlife?” Atheism is a position on a SINGLE QUESTION - “Are you convinced a God exists?” Yes = Theist No = Atheist That’s it, nothing else.
Even though I am Christian, I have to admit what Piers is saying is not true. We don't know if god is real, it is jus what we believe. And even though I don't agree with Penn's opinion, he makes much better points than Piers did.
Piers Morgan, I would question any higher power that would not only create this low level of human being, but also then allow him to speak in it's name. The very fact that Piers Morgan breathes in and out proves to me that 'intelligent design' truly doesn't exist. Thank you Piers, You have just confirmed my 'faith' in atheism.
I laughed so hard because of what he said at the end, because the bible does exactly, what he accused Penn's book of. Only with the difference, that the bible tries to make an assumption, looking like a fact.
What Piers doesn't get is that theists are just assuming the answer is their favorite god. He's upset that atheists don't offer an alternative, but atheists don't claim to offer an alternative. Our answer is "We don't know, we may never know, but let's try to find out."
Pen Jillette is too smart for Piers Morgan to comprehend
hahahahahahahha
" Morgan, is an Embarrassingly Dumb Bastard" --- truer words were never said.
Comprehend what? He literally said nothing.
No shit. Dog shit is smarter than piers Morgan.
Morgan mopped the floor with him, what do you mean? Atheists have a twisted warped sense of reality.
"My answer is 'I don't know', and your answer is 'Something beyond comprehension', aren't those the same answers?"
Piers didn't even acknowledge this question lmao.
Not really. Because the 'something beyond comprehension' also comes with a label, some stories that very hard to believe and a bunch of rules that claim to be divine, but are kinda meh. Meanwhile, the 'I don't know' leaves enough space for something that may become very comprehensable at some point.
What's really great is that if you've actually read Penn's book it becomes so clear that Piers hasn't read a page of it or he wouldn't be reacting like this
He never does. He reads the title and is just like every other person that is religious, offended! They seem to have the right to be offended by everything, whyle they offend the facts with their no evidence needed god!
Piers is such a dope.
Camelworks my man. Thank you for raising me as a young lad. I have spent many hours listening to your voice. I’m glad you agree that Piers Morgan is a fucking cunt! Love you.
@@HeroinChrist Piers is a legend
@@rumpymcshade9735 no
Finding camel in the wild. Hell yeah.
Exactly
"I don't know, therefore god."
Classic god of the gaps nonsense.
@Brady Migel Atheists don't use any "God of the Gaps" fallacies. What gave you that idea?
AlecNeate333 What do you mean by "what came before God", we know exactly what was before God nothing, God always was and always will be. You like to assume that we don't know what was before God.
@Brady Migel religion is much weaker than science science has diagnostic equipment better than ever before if you believe that creation came about and was created in six 24-hour periods by an all-powerful being, how come there is no diagnostic equipment with measurable data to back that up and all the books that religious people point to as truthful were written by Men Without one single diagnostic tool?
There's no requirement in life to understand how we got here or where we're going after we demise because you will still live and breathe get sick grow old have s*** happened Etc regardless of whether we know what happened at the beginning or what's going to happen after we die. But if we don't bother to concern ourselves with how we live and how we effect others and the world around us, then we will have great difficulty and probably demise much quicker for example if we don't bother to find out how we find food how we assist others like our children or parents how we learn information and what information we learn to hold a job then life becomes much more difficult. It is learning and understanding the mechanics of how we live that allow us and in the long run our children to thrive and increase our longevity, not how did we get here or what happens after we die
Evolution covers gaps of millions of years.
Coming from a christian, Penn Jillette was very respectful and had a lot of great points.
And it's upsetting that Piers Morgan was not doing so in return. I may not agree with Penn,
but atleast he was able to show some kind of courtesy.
What do you expect from Piers?
Christians often think that they have a pass to act in a rude way when they are being challenged because they are "defending the faith".
Adamant Annihilator not true at all. If you’re getting rude over religion, you’re not a real Christian. Just know that 👌🏽
@@Crypto_Fox_ Do you remember the Salem witch trials? Or the time Peter cut off another mans ear? How about the countless street preachers that tell people there going to hell? Or the time we got to beat our slaves as hard as we want as long as they were able to recover in three days time? By the way, aren't you being rude by calling me a liar without falsifying my claim?
Adamant Annihilator I can tell you’re not informed on this topic. Lots of street preachers tell people where they’re headed, and that’s hell. They try to explain to you what you need to do and repent from your sins. Preachers that only preach to others that they’re going to hell aren’t real Christians. Real Christians repent and trust in Jesus Christ as their savior. It’s a hard thing to understand until you become one.
Penn has a personal relationship with reality.
Yeah
Is that his wife's name?
Evolution cannot explain morality and the consistency of human agreement on common issues of right and wrong.
@@calliope4293 Evolution can explain morality far better than any religion.
How on Earth do you possibly think that a celestial dictator is necessary to tell us that murder or theft are bad? Do you want to be murdered or stolen from? Virtually everyone would answer “no” and so we all want murder and theft to be illegal.
Morality does not originate with gods. Humans and many other social animals form moral thoughts. This was obviously a necessary evolutionary development. In a hostile environment, those social groups that cooperated and helped each other survived while they would not have if they were at each other’s throats. Evolution even developed a hormone called oxytocin to assist empathy. In studies, animals with oxytocin deficiencies exhibited reduced empathy. Empathy and cooperation are not entirely altruistic characteristics. Every member of the group is better off by engaging in cooperative behaviour, what we can call enlightened self-interest.
Religions are no more than a set of rules representing the views of the societies in which they were invented. Religion reduces the natural empathy and morality of society by oppressing those who are different from the majority, such as gays, and imposing ritualistic rules that do not make any sense for the welfare of individuals in society. It also does not allow people as a group to learn from mistaken thinking of the past and move past it. It was hard to abolish slavery because society could point to the Bible supporting it. It has been the same for every advance such as abolishing racial segregation, giving women equal rights, and ceasing treating gays as second-class citizens because all these ideas went directly against "the word of God". As slavery abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison said, “all advances in human rights have been anti-Bible”.
@@calliope4293 why not? People who work together are more successful... defending against threats is more efficient in groups. This isnt hard.
I'm a Christian and Penn is always great to listen to. He is a great example of how to articulate your beliefs to another person (religious or atheist). Always respectful and of course intelligent. Keep on goin' Penn :)
Stink Jesus agrees with you
Ex christan here and I agree
@@GodlessFiend - sorry, but you were never a christian.
3:02 Do my ears decieve me? Did I just hear a TV personality speak the words, "You cannot write a book basically telling a bunch of people, 'You're all wrong.'" Did a person who no doubt defends freedom of the press tell Penn Jillette that he CAN'T say certain things?
Am I hallucinating this?
« You cannot write a book saying you‘re all wrong » pretty much what religious books do
Morgan illustrates here very clearly why he doesn't understand. It's because he doesn't want to understand. He doesn't listen. He doesn't let Penn finish a sentence. He doesn't care what Penn has to say. I don't know why he's even interviewing him. He doesn't want to learn. He wants to preach. He's already made up his mind that he's right, based on literally nothing. There is no point in trying to have a conversation with somebody who is intellectually dishonest.
he is terrified for the day that they prove him wrong and he has to admit he wasted his life believing this tripe
Piers Morgan you're out of your league. Stick to reporting, and leave thinking to the thinkers.
@@twelve5130 there's a difference between "I don't know" and "god did it". Just because you don't understand how the universe came doesn't mean god did it. That's an argument from ignorance, a logical fallacy. Can you tell me where did you get that idea that god created the universe ?
@@mariochartouni can u tell me how humanity (life) came to existence?
@@twelve5130 No, and neither can you. Don't sidestep the question lol. There's something called intellectual honesty, and when you don't understand something, the answer is not automatically magic or god. The correct position to hold when you don't know something is I DON'T KNOW. But we can try to find out.
@@bfont when u do find out pls let me know until then stfu lol
@@bfont Twelve obviously lacks the ability to think critically, such people have their cognitive dissonance meter cranked up to max
“My answer is idk and your answer is something beyond comprehension. Aren’t those the same answers?” 🤣
"You can't write a book telling people they're all wrong and then also telling them that you yourself don't have any explanations"....WRONG!
YOU CAN BECAUSE IT'S OKAY TO NOT KNOW SOMETHING...IT'S ONLY WRONG TO ASSUME YOU DO...
Yeah, but isn't the Bible a book that tells Billions of people who don't follow Christianity that they're wrong? Yet again, contradiction from Religion.
@@MrMattallica89 precisely my point ...
@@MrMattallica89 my problem with the bible is it assumes too much and claims everyone else is wrong when in actuality they dont know anything they take it upon faith
They beLIEve they are right with lil to no evidence to support it
Piers is rude to him; let your guest get in his opinion.
If you let him answer, he just might make sense. Christians can't have that.
I like how CNN cut off Penn's response to Piers last comment.
Piers got owned pretty solid by then. I don't know is a way better answer than anything any religious person has pretended to know without evidence.
Jon Targaryen You’re just too dumb to understand life.
@@kevingonsalves4323 wtf?😠😆
@@PDeRop You could say Piers got pierced by an atheist. 😎
@@PDeRop how would an agnostic fit into the picture then who also admits they don't know for sure, but believe in something more? Is it more correct to not know and believe there is something more than us? Or more correct to not know and believe in nothing beyond ourselves?
Piers: "I am too important to die".
Lol, that last comment from Piers. That's the difference between science and religion. A scientist isn't afraid to admit they don't know. Religion claims to have an answer for everything
In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion.
-- Carl Sagan 1987 CSICOP Keynote Address
Unfair cut on CNN's part for Penn at the end
Hilarious! Every video I've seen in relation to Atheism Vs Religion, the Religious people never have any ACTUAL argument. It's always so vague, illogical and convenient. I have not heard one SINGLE argument from them that has made me stop and think "well hey, they have a point there". The day that that happens, I will gladly admit it out loud.
DustyPink lol debate with a Muslim
@@orbitchewinggum2101 i'd rather kill myself
@@criticclips1560 what point would a muslim make that would be convincing enough to make an atheist believe?
@@bbrantley26 They won't make stupid contradictions like these christians do on their world view
@@criticclips1560 that's not what I asked you.
Atheist: Which of the 3000 religions do you follow?
Religious person: the one and only right one
Atheist: *stares at camera in disappointment*
Change religion to God and 3000 to 15,000.
Mac Verishe atheism is not a religion. It’s simply the denial of a claim that god or gods exist.
Mac Verishe you’ve got it all wrong my friend. You say you believe it god yes? I ask can you prove it? You say you can’t. (as let’s face it, you can’t). So I say I don’t believe it then. It really is that simple, It is not a belief system/religion. If you could prove a god existed I’d be open to it
Mac Verishe that’s absolutely fine you believe in it bro. But I’m just stating that I will not believe anything without proof. And that’s all atheism is, therefore it isn’t a religion. Which was the original point you were trying to make.
@Mac Verishe why do you people struggle so much with the definition of atheism? i do understand that you understand how incredibly stupid religions are so you try to drag atheism down to that level and want to label it a religion. But saying that atheism is a religion is like saying that not collecting stamps is a hobby, it's just idiotic
'I don't know - Go and find out' is the most potent thing you can say to anybody.
'God did it' is suffocating, stagnant and worthless.
Saying there is no god. & no purpose & no meaning is suffocating, stagnant and worthless. Especially when you cannot disprove god. Whereas the fact that you exist proves god.
orbit chewinggum Nothing proves god, especially not existence (which we Do actually have Actual Reasonable possibilities besides supernatural ones that can account for it), and because nothing can prove god exists that makes it a positive claim/assertion; The burden of proof is on the ones positing the claim/assertion, not its opposite. If I said I own a lion and you don't believe me, then I don't get to just say "Well, prove me wrong? Hah, you can't, can you?!" No, because the burden of proof would be on Me for making the claim.
The fact that god can't technically be disproven is in no way whatsoever even remotely good evidence or reason for his/her/its existence, hell it's not even Bad evidence it's just.. Not Evidence At All. You can't disprove Invisible Purple Unicorns or Magical Leprechauns either. So should we worship those, and devote our lives to them based on what people write about them?!
@@orbitchewinggum2101 The fact that we exist proves god.....how so? Where's the proof for that? I exist because of evolution. That has been proven beyond any doubt.
@@theanglohouse601 lmao dude stfu
@@TechySeven hey bitch i have a lion
Piers proves Penn’s point for him in almost the exact wording Penn provided 😂
In addition, just because we don't know they answer to something, it doesn't mean you can fill in the gaps with a unlikely and unproved deity. If God created the universe, who created God, you get no closer to the answer except now you've got to explain where God came from
And then theists will claim "My god exists beyond space and time."
"Either a god exists or it doesn't exist. If a god does exist, it either interacts with the universe in some detectable way or it doesn't. If it doesn't, that god is indistinguishable from a non-existent god."
Matt Dillahunty
Penn : " Saying I don't know and something beyond comprehension is basically the same answer". Piers response : "You can't just write a book without having the answers".
Science doesn't know everything, but religion doesn't know *anything.*
@@Eisenbison if science doesnt know everything then im science knows nothing scientist believe nothing created everything and that humans came from mud. I'm DEFINATELY sticking with God 😂😂
@@favenfoster4769 No, that's actually what you believe. There isn't a single reputable scientist who will say that the universe came from absolutely nothing.
But that's exactly what YOU believe. The Bible tells us that the universe was created from nothing by an omnipresent, omnipotent, anthropomorphic sky genie, using nothing more than an incantation spell. Then it tells us that the first humans were created out of mud/clay figures using a golem spell.
@@Eisenbison umm no I dont believe that cuz that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I only believe scientist said it because I've done the research. Look up the law of conversation of mass. Once you research first then come back but coming back isnt gonna get you anywhere. Believe what you want but guess what, God is coming back whether you're ready or not. I pray you find direction befoee it's too late! Have a good day. Bye
@@favenfoster4769 have him come back soon so I can tell him what a gigantic cunt he is for giving my little cousin cancer when he has the choice not give it in the first place. If I do see him the last thing i'll do with him is bow for him.
I love how the religious person thinks atheists are scared of dying 😂 we’re not the ones who need to tell ourselves a make believe story in order to feel better about death.
Piers: "Where is your proof". Also Piers: "I believe"
I love how Penn sincerely looks at Peirs as if he may need to help him get through this conversation.
Morgan doesn’t realize that he just simply believes something without knowing.
Morgan would admit it's a belief based on faith. Ironically the belief of Penn (you cease to exist) is also based on faith.
So Piers boldly states that he prefers the self-deception of "I just want this to be true" to the honesty of "I don't know". That illuminates a large part of why he appears to think so highly of himself.
Penn is great - "If it's on a scale of comprehension we can't understand, aren't you done?" I love that religious think that's a kickass argument.
I didn't think it was possible for me to dislike Piers Morgan any more than I already did. I stand humbly corrected.
I like how Piers Morgan has 100% certainty that he is going to heaven and is 100% sure his God is the real one. Evidence of this? None.
"Where do you go when you die"
Penns reaction was like "What the hell kind of question is tha- oh, that's right. I'm debating religion, that's what they believe..."
As Carl Sagan once said, “Perhaps our descendants will regard our present ignorance with as much sympathy as we feel for the ancients for not knowing whether the Earth went around the sun.”
The other day a group of people knocked on my door and asked me if I have repented. I have never had an atheist knock on my door.
I'm so with Penn on this argument.
Lofl this is hilarious 🤣😂 Penn is beyond patient for even continuing this convo after the first minute. Morgan has beloefs, while Penn has facts.
This is a good example of how reliegion works; repeat what you are told until you believe it. Pierce keeps asking Penn to explain our existence, he pretends he doesn't hear Penn telling him that "there is something beyond our comprehension" is the same as saying "I don't know". If you cannot comprehend something, then you don't know it.
Piers: "this particular premise angers me. I think it's a deliberately provocative stance!"
*A few moments later*
Penn: "I don't know if you've seen The Book of Mormon"
Piers: "Oh yeah, it's brilliant!"
What a lack of self awareness 😂🤦♂️
Saying his book is designed to “annoy and agitate people” is like saying the same about the bible.
They really do just give anyone a television show these days.
I like how someone not having an answer automatically means Piers Morgan is right. You don't have to have an answer to tell someone their answer is wrong, especially if what you say is wrong has no evidence whatsoever.
I find it hard that Piers doesn't understand that we go somewhere incomprehensible is the same as saying "I don't know."
Penn is really on to something, Not knowing and something being incomprehensive is the same thing basically!
As an atheist I’m not scared of death I’m scared of the process of dying....hope it’s not too painful....I ain’t gonna act all macho about it.
_"The only way we can share the universe, the only way we can share humanity, is by talking very strongly about what we believe."_
~ *Penn Jillette*
"I never hear an atheist give me any answers to: How did we get here? and What happens at the end of our lives?" History. That started with the big bang. Oh and at the end of my life my body is probably burnt by my relatives.
Piers Morgan: "I don't like atheism because it is willing to admit 'i don't know' instead of just lying." there, that's his whole argument.
1:51
Piers: “Because I’ve never heard an atheist explain to me…”
Of course not, you wally, you never shut up.
I love how he cannot even answer the simplest question for religion, how we got here. There is a supreme being blah blah blah that wishy washy stuff. Jesus christ, at least know the myths if your gonna subscribe to them.
Please don't use my God's name in vain if you're going to call yourself an atheist.
@@Iv3y_Lamar
So Jesus Christ is your God?
Who created everything in six days? Who created Adam? Who told Noah to build an ark? Who confound the languages in Babel? Who wanted Abraham to sacrify his son? Who gave Moses the 10 commandments?
Or the Old Testament doesn't count?
@@Limpi43 Old testament still counts. It is the same God in both, Jesus. The old helps us have a good understanding of the teachings of the bible, the 10 commandments were the Law that God knew that mankind would not be able to uphold, that was to show us that we are sinful beings after the world was corrupted by sin and death. Therefore, God created a way in order for us to be redeemed. And that way is through Jesus Christ.
@@Iv3y_Lamar
If the Old Testament count then Jesus is NOT your God. He's the one and only son of God. It's in the Bible! It's written in the New Testament. When I have to tell that to a "religious" person, then it's something very wrong with that person. Or that inconsistent religion. But it's rather both.
I'm so glad that bad habit called religion is dying out. It is as stupid as flat earth.
pfft. Im a Christian, and im not insulted by his book. I love Penn; hes actually really kind to religious people. One of the reasons I love him so much outside of being a libertarian. Freedom of Speech = U get to say w/e the fuck you want at any time.
I don't know how Penn does this. I've seen him in arguments like this a lot where the other person won't even listen, and they talk over him constantly. When I'm in arguments like that, I end up walking away. He stands his ground; he's patiently trying to chime in. A lot of respect.
Textbook example of the "god of the gaps" argument by Morgan. Did he have a logic-bypass operation?
I'm atheist and I'm terrified of death, but I'd rather face reality than to make up some fantasies.
don't be, I'm an atheist myself but I feel like there's something else after death. I can't prove it of course, just a gut feeling...
No fear in being dead, it's getting dead and what I'll miss out on that I have problems with.
Matt Dillihaunty really needs to take Piers to task on the god question cause Matt definitely will not be talked over. Piers committed about 12 billion fallacies in his short tirade there.
I don't understand why old people worry about this stuff and use it as a reason to believe in god. I was 3 or 4 when I contemplated this stuff and 12 when I realised it was irrelevant. It's not a relevant question, we exist because at this point in the universe, the variables resulted in us. Had the variables been different, we would either be something else, or not exist.
Where did the stuff come from to be variable in the first place?
polyanthesis yea same, I was raised Christian w pastors for parents and remember at an early early age not thinking any of the myth made sense lol
“When it comes to this particular premise, ‘God, no,’ you anger me.” “Do I really?” “Yes, because I think it’s a deliberately provocative stance you take.” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That’s especially funny coming from Piers Morgan because he’s deliberately provocative all the time.
If god doesn't exist, then who closes the bus doors after the driver gets off?
Piers is accusing someone else of being needlessly provocative.😅
I really shouldn’t have been as surprised as I was to see how strident a person of faith Piers is.
"I dont have explanations"
Yet your explanation is "its beyond comprehending"
WOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH an englishman believes in God?!!!!! this is something for the record books
I live in central california where the valley get to be 110 and above. I had no air conditioner working in my car. I was jamming out to my music. Singing to God. I didn’t really notice how much i was sweating until drips of sweat came down off my arm. All a sudden within two seconds i got chills all over my body and my hairs on my arm stuck straight up. It lasted about 10 seconds and the chill went away. You atheists can’t tell me that wasn’t an act of God. Not saying you should up and believe my story right away. No, but you should questioning yourself is God real, instead of ignoring my story. I used be hesitant that jesus was the savior i prayed to God to show me a way that jesus is the savior. And another situation before this one i told you about happen that lead me to believe jesus is our savior. You atheists should be doing the same. Praying to God to show you a sign that God is the creator. And reading your bible in the mean time till God shows you a clear sign. That’s what i did.
Piers' "Where do you go? Where do you go when you die?" is perfect. It completely sums up the fear associated with the inability to comprehend not existing. That's all it is. Fear, imagination, and time...these three things have kept running the ancient engines of religion.
Its an extreme warp of logic to suggest that just because we don't know something, that is evidence for a magical man in the sky
This is unfortunately the Theist position, and there's no excuse for it in the 21st century. "I have no better explanation, therefore God......" is one of the most asinine stances you can take.
Even as a religious person, I disapprove of Piers Morgan. I love Penn btw :D
01:55 Morgan basically confesses that he prefers a bullshit answer to no answer at all.
Except Penn respects Pier's answer and doesn't consider it BS.
Piers Morgan is walking proof that confidence will get you far in life.
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
Voltaire
Piers Morgan's right - there is a being greater than himself. His name is Penn Jillette.
His last sentence is so scary and sad at the same time. He basically said, you cant tell the truth when we all believe a fantasy.
Piers Morgan has been instructed by the Warner Bros executive to play the religion card. 😢
How hard is it to say "I dont know" Im comfortable with saying I dont know. Im even ooen to lets findnsome evidence to figre it out . But you cant just make stuff uo and say if you can't prove me wrog I must be right, doesnt work like that.
You also cannot sincerely mean, "I don't know" when you say it while ruling out a possibility simply because you don't like the implications. Many have said, "not every religion can be right, but they can all be wrong." The problem is theism isn't religion, and even if every religion is wrong, that wouldn't mean there is no god.
“When you die, where do we go?”
When you blow the candle out, where does the flame go? It doesn’t GO anywhere…it’s.just.gone.
We were all born as atheists
I’m not an atheist at all but penn proves some good points about speaking their mi d in whatever you believe in. We can still get along and form lifelong relationships with people with opposing viewpoints. People need to know that (cough, cough liberals and conservatives)
agreed. we all come from different walks of life and if the world cant accept that then idk what will happen.
I’m a Theist but I really appreciate Penn a lot.
Basically Piees believes it because it makes him feel good and is comforting.
A terrible way to be
"The word god for me is nothing more than A PRODUCT OF HUMAN WEAKNESS." Albert Einstein.
If my beliefs "annoy and agitate" people who don't share those beliefs that's not my problem. In fact, keep it to yourself; I don't really care. Furthermore, it doesn't matter how we got here, and the only people who know what happens at the end of life are dead. Pointless questions, but he was there to promote his book, so-- mission accomplished!
The video cuts off lol, in the full version, Penn destroys him hard.
Saying that you believe in something on faith is basically admitting that it's an irrational belief that can't stand on its own merit.
Piers is closed minded. He believes what he was taught by nuns when he was a child and has not questioned it. I guess whatever he heard first is what he was going to believe in for life. If he were born in another country or time period he would have believed in something different just as much. That alone should make a person question their beliefs. He is comfortable in his beliefs and can't be bothered with logic. In other areas he would think more rationally but fear prevents it with religion
Mate we admit we don’t know instead of believing OH THE MAGIC FAIRY IN THE SKY WILL DECIDE IF I GO TO A BUNCH OF CLOUDS OR BURN FOR ALL ETERNITY
Tbh I thought piers was smarter than this!🤣🤣
Never argue with idiots,
They'll bring you down to their level and beat you on experience.
Penn has selective amnesia about the Atheist Mao and Stalin and their brothers in crime like Kim Jong, Polpot .... systematically massacred millions through execution, starvation, torture etc.
Those regimes were blatantly religious in their adoration of their leaders and leaders past like Lenin in the case of Russia, or Marx in the case of everywhere else.
Same with North Korea, the only remaining true communist state, with its reverence of it's past two leaders. The actual leader of North Korea is the deceased grandfather of the current leader. Because of that, Christopher Hitchens termed it a "necrocracy."
Lets take Stalin for example. He would have show trials, which were analogous to the Inquisition. Lysenko's biology, with it promise of grand harvests 3 times a year. The constant thanking of the dictator for everything they have. There is a quote, I don't know from who, but it goes along the lines of all dictatorships at their core are theocracies, I do think that is quite the fair generalization.
There has never been a civilization that crumbled because its people became too reasonable.
"You cannot write a book..." (hold this book up to the camera)
Piers failing or refusing to grasp the concept of “I don’t know” sometimes been the only honest answer.
“I’ve never heard any atheist give an answer to this”…….because it’s Irrelavent to Atheism Piers!!
“How did all this get here?”
- “I don’t know, what evidence do you have that it was god?”
“What happens after we die?”
- “I don’t know, what evidence do you have for an afterlife?”
Atheism is a position on a SINGLE QUESTION - “Are you convinced a God exists?”
Yes = Theist
No = Atheist
That’s it, nothing else.
Even though I am Christian, I have to admit what Piers is saying is not true. We don't know if god is real, it is jus what we believe. And even though I don't agree with Penn's opinion, he makes much better points than Piers did.
Piers Morgan, I would question any higher power that would not only create this low level of human being, but also then allow him to speak in it's name. The very fact that Piers Morgan breathes in and out proves to me that 'intelligent design' truly doesn't exist. Thank you Piers, You have just confirmed my 'faith' in atheism.
He's just a critic. I don't think he really cares too much about the ideas, I think he's just trying to point out the bad in everything.
Its doesn’t matter if you don’t agree just be respectful about it like penn handled it.
I am a Christian who greatly respects Penn Gillette.
I laughed so hard because of what he said at the end, because the bible does exactly, what he accused Penn's book of. Only with the difference, that the bible tries to make an assumption, looking like a fact.
I think this video should have been called, "Piers Morgan talks atheism and religion _at_ Penn Jillette."
Penn destroyed Piers in this debate lol
I am so glad Mr. Morgan is off the air
What Piers doesn't get is that theists are just assuming the answer is their favorite god.
He's upset that atheists don't offer an alternative, but atheists don't claim to offer an alternative.
Our answer is "We don't know, we may never know, but let's try to find out."
Piers you know in the U.K there's a bunch of atheists.Piers is a Roman Catholic