Yes indeed."Train station" is another Americanism creeping into the English, English language. English people saying or writing gotten instead of got is another one that I can't stand.You can probably think of many more.
I did a large part of the London Loop in 2010, and I immediately recognised the Greyhound Pub in your video. Hasn't changed at all. The whole loop is like this, you're technically in London but for 90% of the walk you feel like you're in the countryside, then you'll see a London bus stop and the illusion is shattered.
I live in Kings Cross and my favourite thing to do is go cycling out to the outskirts of London. I remember cycling out through Micham and then swinging by Keston common before going back into the centre. It was lovely, and I've always meant to go back again. There are some lovely parts of London you only discover by cycling.
I rode every London bus route over an 18 month period the other year and I couldn't believe some of the places you could get to by a London bus. The 146 to Downe was definitely a highlight (246 to nearby Westerham too), the village pub is really great too. Such a contrast to Bromley where the 146 and 246 start from! I was really surprised to find out Downe was officially apart of London when my town of Cheshunt and neighbouring places like Waltham Cross, Waltham Abbey and Loughton find themselves outside of London and are much more built up with no rural gaps in the built up area.
One of these buses goes to Tatsfield. This is a great little village for it's community spirit with so many activities going on and no,I don't live there !!
@@SIMONWINTER-m6d Yeah the 464 which connects with the New Addington Tram Stop. Tatsfield did seem quite nice, was a pleasant walk from there to Biggin Hill
If you really want to get out into the countryside, take TfL route 465 from Kingston to Dorking. A pretty country town and easy access to the views and woodland walks at Box Hill.
@ I wish more TFL routes like that existed, in my neck of the woods that would mean places like Hertford, Harlow and St Albans all getting London bus routes as they are similar distances out of London to Dorking. Would be a big improvement at quieter times and much more reliable. Also, Box Hill is great, another walk I want to do at some point. Pretty station at Box Hill and Westhumble too.
Nice video. Been meaning for ages to visit Downe, so will follow much of your route. If you do the walk in the other direction and finish in Hayes, then the Real Ale Way micro pub at 0:37 is very good.
Hi. I just stumbled across your video and instantly recognised the village so stayed to watch. I’m glad I did as I enjoyed the fact that there is someone out there who understands that London isn’t just the touristy, crowded, expensive parts of mostly central London. I was born and raised in Bromley in the London Borough of Bromley (largest of London’s 32 London boroughs at just under 59 square miles) a couple of years after the 32 London boroughs came into existence on 1st April 1965 (so Greater London - the City of London and the 32 London boroughs covering 607 square miles - will be commemorating its 60th anniversary on 1st April 2025). I’ve always felt lucky to have been born and raised in a part of London that combines the best of being a part of London with its urban areas in the north of the borough and keeping its Kentish feel with its villages, hamlets, farms and open countryside in a greater part of the centre and south of the borough. When I was in school, Biggin Hill was still an RAF airfield and every June we would spend a weekend at the air show. In later years Concorde would make an appearance with the Red Arrows. Bromley town itself (birthplace of the author HG Wells in a flat above a department store in the High Street) is located 10 miles southeast of London Bridge and 9 and a half miles southeast from the equine statue of King Charles I at Trafalgar Square from which all London distances are measured now. It has had a charter market since 1158 and it was first mentioned in 862 in a charter from King Ethelbert of Kent granting the lordship of the manor of Bromley to the Bishops of Rochester (note the Kingdom of England dates from 927). As you say the borough has some Roman and Anglo-Saxon remains and still occupied buildings (Caesar’s Well, Crofton Roman Villa, the nave of Cudham’s church - reconstruction and additions were made to other parts of the church). Another world-famous resident of the borough (when it was still a part of the county of Kent) was Charles Darwin who lived at Down House in the village of Downe (yes, different spelling) with his family while conducting his research for his thesis on evolution. He would be living there still while writing the resulting work “On the Origin of Species” and when it was published. All in all a wonderful London borough where I still live. 😊
classic inter-war "ribbon development" - funnily enough I had the dubious pleasure of working in the West London - "Middlesex" version of Hayes and as you turned off the horribly ugly and depressing main road to Uxbridge you would see open fields, grazing horses, rural looking farm buildings and the odd church.
The great thing about being part of Greater London instead of Kent is that you get your free bus pass at 60 instead of having to wait until you reach State Pension Age. Better still, it also gives you free travel on the tube, trams and trains! The downside is these villages have been included in the Outer London ULEZ expansion zone, so if you can't afford to upgrade to a compliant car you are clobbered with a £12.50 a day charge.
Very enjoyable post. We used to live in Orpington until the GLC land grab when we came to Surrey. Having lived close by I knew Pratts Bottom would come up. It is interesting that a number or the edges of Greater London are still rural. You mention east and south east but head north and we find the Village of Totteridge which still feels rural and head west to Harefield which has an old village charm. So the Great Evil has not completely destroyed the countryside. Perhaps we should return the GLC land grab boroughs back to the Home Counties where many still allow allegiance. After all we no longer have a GLC…
It isn't that "London" was built with rural village areas. Over the centuries, London has spread out and out and out, incorporating what were once villages in the countryside INTO "Greater London." You can say that outside of the centre, Greater London is a whole lot of rural villages, absorbed into a huge urban megalopolis.
There are actually 4 airports within the M25, RAF Northolt being the other. As the name suggests this is also not commercial and is sometimes used to ferry in high ranking politicians from around the world. Also in fact less than half of Greater London actually has a 'London postcode' (one beginning with a compass point) there are 13 outer London districts that do not, so not exactly a rarity.
But it's not really London is it? It's rural, its bucolic, and it's KENT, despite what the London bureaucrats say. I live in south-east London (the real south east London, New Cross Gate in the very urban borough of Lewisham, immediately north of Bromley), and go walking with my husband in these areas very frequently. There is no way you can tell when you are leaving "London", and entering what is still seen as Kent "proper". The same lanes, fields and woods, the same rural, as opposed to urban identity - no wonder so many people living there see themselves as Kentish, rather than Londoners. Incidentally, I was born in Bromley many years ago, before the GLC reorganisation, and my birth place is listed as Bromley, Kent. It's interesting that the commentator is from the north of England. Again, many years ago when I was young and holidaying in the Peak District of Derbyshire, we were in a very hilly, rural district - open countryside, not even a village. The scenery was wild, hilly and there were few houses. Those we saw were set at considerable distance from each other. Then, what did we see? A road sign, informing us that we were entering Greater Manchester! I could hardly believe my eyes. Too much of our countryside is being 'colonised' by the major cities. Leave our rural areas alone and let them stay in their historic counties!
Bit late for that, 1965 was rather a long time ago now. I'm the opposite of you, born in Lewisham, now live in the borough of Bromley. To my mind, Bromley town centre is London - unbroken built up suburbia all the way down the A21. Things start to get a bit marginal around Bromley Common, or near me just south of West Wickham.
@@Gallywomack Bromley could be split in half, as the northern part is definitely London, while the rural part could be part of Sevenoaks, but in some ways it's good that Greater London has some genuine countryside.
Even west whickham is interesting. It’s surrounded by 1930s houses but the high st has much older buildings and a few lanes off. Sad to think of the large manors lost when those estates were built.
The Chipstead Valley is also very non-London like, despite most of it being within the London Boroughs of Croydon and Sutton along the border with the county of Surrey. Kenley Airfield is also in London, which is 1 of 4 airports solely within London, and is even less known than the airport at Biggin Hill, although according to Google Maps, part of the boundary of Surrey is within one of the Kenley Airfield runways for a couple of metres. As for Single street, that is supposedly the residence of Nigel Farage, I've never been able to confirm it though.
I went. to Kenley for work ( hush -hush) years ago. Gliders were flown there by the Air Cadets. I'm sure there's a small village in Hillingdon...? There was an airfield in Hornchurch - in the war and before it was a London Borough and the birth of Captain Pedantic ( me).
Most of Chipstead valley is in Surrey (Reigate & Banstead district) and the eastern built-up part is in Croydon, and looks like any other part of suburban south London to me. I travel through it at least once a year, to get my car serviced.
This was very interesting. It's odd to think that those areas are formally in London. However, I was surprised to hear that you get red London buses there. Back in the olden days (at least until the early 1970s), there were green buses called London Country buses that served the more distant regions of London - do these not exist any more?
They don't as a distinct entity. However, some still survive as London buses with the exact same route number. My local 248, for example, was formerly a green bus, I believe. Though it is just a "regular" red bus now (using the new routemaster).
These areas were always Kent, Bromley Kent, BR postcodes not "london" postcodes as such. London's boundary kept moving further and further out. Same with Surrey. Is it strictly London if you just move the London boundary further out?
Least London like because they’re not in London but Greater London which is huge.When I worked in Ealing I met some people who had never been to London. I was born and bred in Barnes and that was considered to be out in the sticks and a Cockney friend of mine used to call me the country boy.
London is defined as the combination of the counties of Greater London and the City of London. If you are in Greater London, you by definition are in London.
There are a few villages within Greater London which are separated from the urban area not just on the south east side.There's a few in the south west near the other Hayes called Sipson,Longford,Harlington and I think another.A couple in the north west too like Harefields.I'm guessing the north east must have a few too but I haven't really explored that area .
To show my ignorance, I thought Bromley was still in Kent. I checked and it did indeed become part of Greater London in 1965 - when I was, er, six-months old! Back to the atlas, I think.
Intresting video, the only other examples of areas of Greater London with a non compass point post code, and the the postal town the code is derived from is outside of Greater London I can think of are the DA, Dartford postcodes that extend into the London Borough of Bexley.The CM Chelmsford area just crosses into the London Borough of Havering, to the east of Romford. The WD Watford area may also just cross into Greater London
@markylonYes true, many outer areas of Greater London have non Compass point post codes, (although normally from a place within Greater London, Eg RM Romford) , have non London telephone numbers, and use a home county postal address, Eg, Romford Essex, Croydon Surrey.
Actual 'London' should only be regarded as the postcode areas N, E, S, W, NE, NW, SE, SW. The others are county towns which have been consumed by the recent suburban spread
So let me get this straight. You believe both Newcastle and Sheffield should be considered "Actual London"? Because that's what you have just said. There are areas outside London with those postcodes, and areas in London without them. Postcodes have never aligned with the definition of London. Originally they were just a random circle drawn around the building the guys making the system happened to be in.
London is full of places that do not look like London. A few examples I know are the villages of Blackheath and Dulwich (both in London travel zone 3) as well as Hampstead around the heath lands. Give them a visit.
I think it was to do with creating a more unified system of governance for London on the whole, although there could have been a few ulterior motives as well.
Because the old London County made no sense, covering as it did less than half of the urban area of London, excluding places (especially north of the river) we would think of nowadays as very much inner-city London. The government also wanted to simplify local government, bringing an end to numerous types of district and county-boroughs which were counties in themselves despite 'ceremonially' being part of a county. It made more sense for Croydon to be a unitary London borough rather than a unitary county borough nominally in Surrey, and certainly the same for East and West Ham, well within the London urban area but nominally still part of Essex.
@@IndigoJo I think it's time to look at it again as like back then it makes no sense again, many towns around the south east have grown and are now undeniably apart of the Greater London Built Up Area, especially in Hertfordshire and Surrey. And with the major housing pressures, it makes sense to expand it again to cover the commuter belt. Also whether a places 'feels' like London or not doesn't really matter. Each part of London feels really different to the others too. The old Essex boundary before 1965 was the River Lea, so places like Canning Town, Stratford and Walthamstow were Essex but feel really inner London today!
So happy that you said, “Railway station,” and not “Train station.”
What’s the distinction? I’ve never considered that they might not be synonymous.
@@_Shadbolt_Google is saying that railway station is the British name and train station is American. You learn something new every day!
Yes indeed."Train station" is another Americanism creeping into the English, English language.
English people saying or writing gotten instead of got is another one that I can't stand.You can probably think of many more.
@@_Shadbolt_You're either very young or not British. If you are reasonably old and British there's no hope.
Can I get... in restaurants sends a shiver down my spine for some reason
I did a large part of the London Loop in 2010, and I immediately recognised the Greyhound Pub in your video. Hasn't changed at all. The whole loop is like this, you're technically in London but for 90% of the walk you feel like you're in the countryside, then you'll see a London bus stop and the illusion is shattered.
Saw recently it's up for sale!
What a lovely walk through the area, delightful stuff!
I live in Kings Cross and my favourite thing to do is go cycling out to the outskirts of London. I remember cycling out through Micham and then swinging by Keston common before going back into the centre. It was lovely, and I've always meant to go back again. There are some lovely parts of London you only discover by cycling.
I bet the house prices in these areas are eye watering.
The fact that Nigel Farage lives in downe should tell you all you need to know
I rode every London bus route over an 18 month period the other year and I couldn't believe some of the places you could get to by a London bus. The 146 to Downe was definitely a highlight (246 to nearby Westerham too), the village pub is really great too. Such a contrast to Bromley where the 146 and 246 start from! I was really surprised to find out Downe was officially apart of London when my town of Cheshunt and neighbouring places like Waltham Cross, Waltham Abbey and Loughton find themselves outside of London and are much more built up with no rural gaps in the built up area.
Indeed. And yeah, Westerham's a great little town too.
One of these buses goes to Tatsfield. This is a great little village for it's community spirit with so many activities going on and no,I don't live there !!
@@SIMONWINTER-m6d Yeah the 464 which connects with the New Addington Tram Stop. Tatsfield did seem quite nice, was a pleasant walk from there to Biggin Hill
If you really want to get out into the countryside, take TfL route 465 from Kingston to Dorking. A pretty country town and easy access to the views and woodland walks at Box Hill.
@ I wish more TFL routes like that existed, in my neck of the woods that would mean places like Hertford, Harlow and St Albans all getting London bus routes as they are similar distances out of London to Dorking. Would be a big improvement at quieter times and much more reliable. Also, Box Hill is great, another walk I want to do at some point. Pretty station at Box Hill and Westhumble too.
Thanks!
Thanks, Dianne. Much appreciated! :)
Excellent video as always. Very informative and entertaining. Keep up the great work.
Much appreciated, thanks!
Loved the jagohazzardish tone of that one ! Subscribed of course !
Thanks. Yeah, his style may have rubbed off a little on me!
Nice video. Been meaning for ages to visit Downe, so will follow much of your route. If you do the walk in the other direction and finish in Hayes, then the Real Ale Way micro pub at 0:37 is very good.
I love the little villages in London.
Hi. I just stumbled across your video and instantly recognised the village so stayed to watch. I’m glad I did as I enjoyed the fact that there is someone out there who understands that London isn’t just the touristy, crowded, expensive parts of mostly central London. I was born and raised in Bromley in the London Borough of Bromley (largest of London’s 32 London boroughs at just under 59 square miles) a couple of years after the 32 London boroughs came into existence on 1st April 1965 (so Greater London - the City of London and the 32 London boroughs covering 607 square miles - will be commemorating its 60th anniversary on 1st April 2025). I’ve always felt lucky to have been born and raised in a part of London that combines the best of being a part of London with its urban areas in the north of the borough and keeping its Kentish feel with its villages, hamlets, farms and open countryside in a greater part of the centre and south of the borough. When I was in school, Biggin Hill was still an RAF airfield and every June we would spend a weekend at the air show. In later years Concorde would make an appearance with the Red Arrows. Bromley town itself (birthplace of the author HG Wells in a flat above a department store in the High Street) is located 10 miles southeast of London Bridge and 9 and a half miles southeast from the equine statue of King Charles I at Trafalgar Square from which all London distances are measured now. It has had a charter market since 1158 and it was first mentioned in 862 in a charter from King Ethelbert of Kent granting the lordship of the manor of Bromley to the Bishops of Rochester (note the Kingdom of England dates from 927). As you say the borough has some Roman and Anglo-Saxon remains and still occupied buildings (Caesar’s Well, Crofton Roman Villa, the nave of Cudham’s church - reconstruction and additions were made to other parts of the church). Another world-famous resident of the borough (when it was still a part of the county of Kent) was Charles Darwin who lived at Down House in the village of Downe (yes, different spelling) with his family while conducting his research for his thesis on evolution. He would be living there still while writing the resulting work “On the Origin of Species” and when it was published. All in all a wonderful London borough where I still live. 😊
It is humbling to think how far back its history goes. Perhaps that explains why so many locals feel like they're Kentish rather than Londoners.
classic inter-war "ribbon development" - funnily enough I had the dubious pleasure of working in the West London - "Middlesex" version of Hayes and as you turned off the horribly ugly and depressing main road to Uxbridge you would see open fields, grazing horses, rural looking farm buildings and the odd church.
I used to work on the mobile libraries in Bromley so got around these places, delivering Barbara Cartlands and westerns to OAPs
Oh l love these little villages within London. They're such a treasure to find. There's quite a few of them around Heathrow :)
Such a shock to see you in my hometown of Hayes!! Done these walks many time in my childhood
Love your videos, keep up the good work 🎉
Thank you very much!
My home town too! I haven’t lived there in nearly twenty years and now have little reason to visit so it was great to see the video.
The great thing about being part of Greater London instead of Kent is that you get your free bus pass at 60 instead of having to wait until you reach State Pension Age. Better still, it also gives you free travel on the tube, trams and trains! The downside is these villages have been included in the Outer London ULEZ expansion zone, so if you can't afford to upgrade to a compliant car you are clobbered with a £12.50 a day charge.
If you can afford the house prices in those places, you can afford a fairly recent car (doesn't have to be brand new).
There was a scheme which basically gave you a free complaint car, plus change. So if you lived there, it was easy enough to avoid.
@ They would buy your old car off you; they wouldn't give you a new one. But like I said, it's a wealthy part of town.
That’s Wicked wretched money grabbing Khan for you.
@ yes, but theyd buy your car for more than a complaint 2nd hand car is worth. So youd be getting a more modern car effectively for free.
I got lost in pratts bottom, the irony wasn’t lost on me
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I had to read it twice before I burst out laughing loool
Very enjoyable post. We used to live in Orpington until the GLC land grab when we came to Surrey. Having lived close by I knew Pratts Bottom would come up. It is interesting that a number or the edges of Greater London are still rural. You mention east and south east but head north and we find the Village of Totteridge which still feels rural and head west to Harefield which has an old village charm. So the Great Evil has not completely destroyed the countryside. Perhaps we should return the GLC land grab boroughs back to the Home Counties where many still allow allegiance. After all we no longer have a GLC…
It isn't that "London" was built with rural village areas. Over the centuries, London has spread out and out and out, incorporating what were once villages in the countryside INTO "Greater London." You can say that outside of the centre, Greater London is a whole lot of rural villages, absorbed into a huge urban megalopolis.
Flint stone exteriors are also traditonally Kentish, not only North Norfolk.
used to live local to these places and very glad I grew up in this part of the borough
Me too! I was a Hayes boy and it was lovely to see this video.
There are actually 4 airports within the M25, RAF Northolt being the other. As the name suggests this is also not commercial and is sometimes used to ferry in high ranking politicians from around the world. Also in fact less than half of Greater London actually has a 'London postcode' (one beginning with a compass point) there are 13 outer London districts that do not, so not exactly a rarity.
fun thing people forget with that is the S postcode is for Sheffield
Yep, and NE for Newcastle.
@@AlexinGreatBritainalthough for a few years NE was a London postcode.
But it's not really London is it? It's rural, its bucolic, and it's KENT, despite what the London bureaucrats say. I live in south-east London (the real south east London, New Cross Gate in the very urban borough of Lewisham, immediately north of Bromley), and go walking with my husband in these areas very frequently. There is no way you can tell when you are leaving "London", and entering what is still seen as Kent "proper". The same lanes, fields and woods, the same rural, as opposed to urban identity - no wonder so many people living there see themselves as Kentish, rather than Londoners. Incidentally, I was born in Bromley many years ago, before the GLC reorganisation, and my birth place is listed as Bromley, Kent.
It's interesting that the commentator is from the north of England. Again, many years ago when I was young and holidaying in the Peak District of Derbyshire, we were in a very hilly, rural district - open countryside, not even a village. The scenery was wild, hilly and there were few houses. Those we saw were set at considerable distance from each other. Then, what did we see? A road sign, informing us that we were entering Greater Manchester! I could hardly believe my eyes. Too much of our countryside is being 'colonised' by the major cities. Leave our rural areas alone and let them stay in their historic counties!
Bit late for that, 1965 was rather a long time ago now. I'm the opposite of you, born in Lewisham, now live in the borough of Bromley. To my mind, Bromley town centre is London - unbroken built up suburbia all the way down the A21. Things start to get a bit marginal around Bromley Common, or near me just south of West Wickham.
@@Gallywomack Bromley could be split in half, as the northern part is definitely London, while the rural part could be part of Sevenoaks, but in some ways it's good that Greater London has some genuine countryside.
Lovely stroll, Alex, thank you
Thanks, Tish. Hope you're well!
@@AlexinGreatBritain Miss your tours!
Mock Tudor buildings would be inter war period, not Victorian
WRONG. The 'Tudor revival' movement started in Victoria's reign.
You might be right. The railways were certainly Victorian though.
I live in west London. TW post code. There are mock tudor buildings in this area like in the video and they are inter war.
Great video Alex, definitely looks more like Kent than Kentish Town to me.
Haha, well put!
The Flintstone fronted buildings are also a staple feature of old fashioned buildings in Buckinghamshire, especially around the Chiltern hills
Even west whickham is interesting. It’s surrounded by 1930s houses but the high st has much older buildings and a few lanes off. Sad to think of the large manors lost when those estates were built.
The Chipstead Valley is also very non-London like, despite most of it being within the London Boroughs of Croydon and Sutton along the border with the county of Surrey.
Kenley Airfield is also in London, which is 1 of 4 airports solely within London, and is even less known than the airport at Biggin Hill, although according to Google Maps, part of the boundary of Surrey is within one of the Kenley Airfield runways for a couple of metres.
As for Single street, that is supposedly the residence of Nigel Farage, I've never been able to confirm it though.
I went. to Kenley for work ( hush -hush) years ago. Gliders were flown there by the Air Cadets.
I'm sure there's a small village in Hillingdon...?
There was an airfield in Hornchurch - in the war and before it was a London Borough and the birth of Captain Pedantic ( me).
Most of Chipstead valley is in Surrey (Reigate & Banstead district) and the eastern built-up part is in Croydon, and looks like any other part of suburban south London to me. I travel through it at least once a year, to get my car serviced.
Wow, so beautiful!
This was very interesting. It's odd to think that those areas are formally in London.
However, I was surprised to hear that you get red London buses there. Back in the olden days (at least until the early 1970s), there were green buses called London Country buses that served the more distant regions of London - do these not exist any more?
They don't as a distinct entity. However, some still survive as London buses with the exact same route number.
My local 248, for example, was formerly a green bus, I believe. Though it is just a "regular" red bus now (using the new routemaster).
@@Garfie489 Thanks. I'm clearly behind the times. By about 50 years...
Keep Warm in winter.
These areas were always Kent, Bromley Kent, BR postcodes not "london" postcodes as such. London's boundary kept moving further and further out. Same with Surrey. Is it strictly London if you just move the London boundary further out?
I dealt with one of those shops in the 1st minute for 20 years, first time I've seen it.
Our beautiful country is spoiled with horrible, ugly cars littered absolutely everywhere ☹️
Least London like because they’re not in London but Greater London which is huge.When I worked in Ealing I met some people who had never been to London. I was born and bred in Barnes and that was considered to be out in the sticks and a Cockney friend of mine used to call me the country boy.
Indeed, London is ringed by outer boroughs that have London in their title, but without the postcodes or sometimes even a London telephone number.
London is defined as the combination of the counties of Greater London and the City of London.
If you are in Greater London, you by definition are in London.
@@Garfie489By whom?
@ the UK Government.
The ONS for example lists London as being a combination of its 32 boroughs, and the city of london in its data.
There are a few villages within Greater London which are separated from the urban area not just on the south east side.There's a few in the south west near the other Hayes called Sipson,Longford,Harlington and I think another.A couple in the north west too like Harefields.I'm guessing the north east must have a few too but I haven't really explored that area .
Pub and church both lovely it looks like England still
Mosque to come.
@WinstonSmithGPT seriously don't even joke about that dude
@@leohoward7282 Who’s joking?
@@WinstonSmithGPT I meant that would destroy those lovely places
New challenge: which is the most rural part of pre-1965 London?
To show my ignorance, I thought Bromley was still in Kent. I checked and it did indeed become part of Greater London in 1965 - when I was, er, six-months old! Back to the atlas, I think.
Have you also done the outermost underground stations in London?
Not as a video, but a good idea for the future, thanks!
Woodford Green is my example even has an ex Party Leader as MP Sir Iain Duncan Smith and Epping Forest and as you travel out into Green Belt.
Intresting video, the only other examples of areas of Greater London with a non compass point post code, and the the postal town the code is derived from is outside of Greater London I can think of are the DA, Dartford postcodes that extend into the London Borough of Bexley.The CM Chelmsford area just crosses into the London Borough of Havering, to the east of Romford.
The WD Watford area may also just cross into Greater London
Not to mention non London Phone prefixes.
@markylonYes true, many outer areas of Greater London have non Compass point post codes, (although normally from a place within Greater London, Eg RM Romford) , have non London telephone numbers, and use a home county postal address, Eg, Romford Essex, Croydon Surrey.
@@Eurobrasil550 worth noting postal counties were withdrawn before 2000.
As such, people shouldnt really be using them on addresses anymore.
@@Garfie489Yes that's true thinking about it.
Looks like a lovely English village
This place does remind me of Pinner
Barnes ?
Single Street. A hamlet, with benches and hedges.
.....jumpers as goal-posts...
Actual 'London' should only be regarded as the postcode areas N, E, S, W, NE, NW, SE, SW. The others are county towns which have been consumed by the recent suburban spread
So let me get this straight.
You believe both Newcastle and Sheffield should be considered "Actual London"?
Because that's what you have just said. There are areas outside London with those postcodes, and areas in London without them. Postcodes have never aligned with the definition of London. Originally they were just a random circle drawn around the building the guys making the system happened to be in.
London is full of places that do not look like London. A few examples I know are the villages of Blackheath and Dulwich (both in London travel zone 3) as well as Hampstead around the heath lands. Give them a visit.
Happily, those red buses allow everyone to visit Darwin's Downe House by public transport, just 30 mins from Bromley South Station.
Those pubs frequented by local resident Nigel Farage.
If I'm ever in the area need to give those a miss.
@@reddwarfer999 Yes, I'm sure he'd prefer that you do that.
@@nickmiller76Farage likes peace and quiet while he's hiding from his constituents.
London Boroughs since the 1960s - now cashing in on London house prices. Might as well call the whole south east ‘London’ and be done with it! Lol
Hayes, Kent rather than Hayes, Middlesex. I know the Middlesex one much better and always wondered what the Kent one was like. It looks nicer.
What a tragedy that this area was taken from Kent in 1965.
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Very interesting content that would benefit from a better microphone.
I'm looking into it. Any recommendations?
@AlexinGreatBritain Samson Q2U is worth looking at...reasonable price and flexible.
@@obren1 Thanks, I considered that but just ordered a HyperX QuadCast as it was 40% off on Amazon, which clinched it for me!
London (conurbation) is not a city. Within that conurbation are two cities, the City of London ( one square mile) and the City of Westminster.
Why was a greater London county created in 1965? better tax base?
I think it was to do with creating a more unified system of governance for London on the whole, although there could have been a few ulterior motives as well.
Looks better on the map and it made it bigger than Ile de France/Paris ( it was the Cold War so they forgot about Moscow...& Madrid...).
Because the old London County made no sense, covering as it did less than half of the urban area of London, excluding places (especially north of the river) we would think of nowadays as very much inner-city London. The government also wanted to simplify local government, bringing an end to numerous types of district and county-boroughs which were counties in themselves despite 'ceremonially' being part of a county. It made more sense for Croydon to be a unitary London borough rather than a unitary county borough nominally in Surrey, and certainly the same for East and West Ham, well within the London urban area but nominally still part of Essex.
Thanks for this clarification. I live across the pond and study not live British history.
@@IndigoJo I think it's time to look at it again as like back then it makes no sense again, many towns around the south east have grown and are now undeniably apart of the Greater London Built Up Area, especially in Hertfordshire and Surrey. And with the major housing pressures, it makes sense to expand it again to cover the commuter belt. Also whether a places 'feels' like London or not doesn't really matter. Each part of London feels really different to the others too. The old Essex boundary before 1965 was the River Lea, so places like Canning Town, Stratford and Walthamstow were Essex but feel really inner London today!
looks boring, will give it a miss - but ta for the film!
North Ockendon says hello
I actually did a video specifically about North Ockendon (called London's Strange Easternmost Point), so this is more or less the spiritual successor.
Wow!!! 'A far cry from Kensington!' etc!!!
Not an awful lot cheaper though.
Great vid Alex, now all part of ULEZ.
Some folk are nostalgic for pollution.
Went to school in Keston.
ruclips.net/video/dnB2lewGcYc/видео.htmlsi=Rj7YsIkNQuHJ8-4e Noel Coward's song about LONDON PRIDE