I wish I hadn't missed this. I need to send you 1989/reputation. Thanks for your thoughts. I think a lot of people see themselves in her lyrics, I know for me it is nice to not feel alone with those thoughts and she makes it okay to feel different ways. She has a song about every emotion at this point.
I have watched some of your reaction on live and, honestly, as a Swiftie I can understand your point of view. And still I don't quite get the hate about "me" and "I". There's nothing wrong with writing about your emotions, a lot of artists, if not all of them except folky singers, do this. They sing from their perspective and that's what makes songs relatable to people. At least you could've appreciated her ability to write such strong metaphors and words, that most of us can know only from dictionary. Well, if you want some songs not about her and without "me, I-I", you can listen to The Last Great American Dynasty, The Albatross (which is from TTPD: The Anthology), How Did It End?, No Body No Crime, Champagne Problems, etc. There are a lot of storytelling songs in Taylor's catalog from a different POV or about some other person.
Hey, we can disagree and still get along. Deeply autobiographical songs about her relationships just doesn't resonate with me. I'm glad she's around and making people happy😊
I'm curious to know what music you enjoy. Obviously you won't "get it" if it's not your preferred type of music. BTW,:TTPD is a "grower not a shower" for most people. It takes some getting used to but - for me - it has become my favorite album. Not just my favorite TS, but my fave of all time. But I can see how you might not appreciate it. Another question: Have you seen any of her movies or music videos? She is a master of visual media and she is an amazing live performer so you might find it interesting to see some of her videos or movies. Just for a bit of context: I'm a 66yo guy who has wide-ranging tastes in music. Until a year ago, my fave was Metallica. But what I discovered about a year ago is that Taylor and I seem to have the same tastes in music. I'm not super tuned-in to her lyrics (although I do love their poetic nature and the wordplay). It's mostly the melodies and production that pull me in. She could sing in a foreign language and I still love her albums. Anyway, it's clear that you can't hear what I hear (just as I wouldn't hear what you hear if you love an album that I don't like). You are like a blind guy trying to appreciate great painting in an art gallery. You won't "get" why people are so amazed with the art because, plain and simple, you literally don't perceive what her fans perceive. (And vice versa for me, relative to certain music that you love that I don't like.) Your ears register the vibrations in the air, but you don't perceive the artistic essence. (Sorta like if I and a German guy were to listen to a speech in German. Our ear drums would vibrate essentially the same, but where he would hear meaningful language, I would hear gibberish. My mind is not trained to understand.) But I love that you are listening and keeping your mind open. That's exactly what I did but, in my case, I eventually fell in love with her entire discography.
I’m literally broadcasting in a room with 11,000 records…. Hearing a 30-something white girl, born with a silver spoon in her mouth, complaining about her failed relationships, just isn’t relatable. The music itself is audio wallpaper, strongly vanilla. I’m not trying to be mean, but none of this strikes me as exceptional or deep. It’s not offensive; it’s just….boring? But hey, I’m happy that she makes so many people happy. Taste is subjective, there is no right or wrong 🙂
@@VinylJunkies666 Since we both understand that tastes are subjective, we are essentially in agreement, although our subjective tastes are obviously different. You do a good job of reminding people of the subjectivity, so thanks for that. Where I get annoyed is when people seem to forget the subjectivity and talk as if their judgments are stating objective truth. Her music is obviously not "audio wallpaper" or "vanilla" etc., from the perspective of her 100s of millions of fans. I was responding primarily to your constant questioning of her popularity. You can't understand WHY she is so popular and my response, in a nutshell, is "of course you can't understand it" any more than a dog or a cat could understand it. You don't process the music in the way that her fans do. But, all objective evidence suggests that she is an extremely talented singer-songwriter and performer - despite the fact the millions of people like you are scratching their heads and wondering WTF makes her so popular. The primary objective truth in the situation is that, as you point out, she brings incredible enjoyment to record numbers of people worldwide, but not to everyone - which brings us to the old saying: "You can't please everyone all the time."
@@gaylenwoof There's nothing objective about my, or anyone's opinion about music. It's certainly not something to fight over. If it makes you happy, it's good.
I see you removed your original post--including my comment--and now reposted your review which came up as recommended to me by YT. I have no idea if you got other negative comments, but I thought I'd come back to clarify my prior post. My issue was your frequent complaining about her having her head up her a$$, and your saying that the songs were too "I, I, I, me, me, me"...this after you were told that it's a breakup album, that her songs are predominantly from her POV/experiences, so you knew it was obviously going to be exactly what you then repeatedly harped on about (it certainly came across as whining). And this, despite you're praising Marvin Gaye's breakup album. Can you understand how frustrating & maddening it was to have you going on like that? It was also confusing that you said you weren't a lyrics guy, then were quick to call many of hers cringe, and ignore the storytelling aspect, her ability to use metaphors to communicate feelings & experiences. You have apparently listened to two other Taylor albums, so why were you surprised at how her songs are presented? If you decide to listen to a rock album, you shouldn't be complaining about the rock songs, right? This album is heavily focused on the lyrics with the production more a vehicle for her words. It's definitely different than her pop sounds. I can see for someone who's consumption of music is targeted at the production, the sounds, that an album like this would be vanilla, and as a preference, I respect that opinion. I would've recommended first reading the Summation Taylor put in the album cover, I think it should've been in the beginning, but you didn't appear to have read the front Stevie Nicks poem either. In Taylor's summation, she explains the reason that this album exists, and that it's different from her past albums in that it's purpose was first & foremost for her sanity & to process the emotional upheaval she'd experienced with the end of a long-term relationship and then a volatile rebound. That Taylor chose to share it with others so we might find experiences we can relate to, and also might want to hear her songs, is a gift of vulnerability that few artists are willing to give. I know Swifties have a reputation for attacking those who are negative about Taylor. I'm hoping that my taking the time to repost a more thorough reasoning for my reaction to your review will be seen in an objective way instead of just another Swiftie being mean. FYI: I found your lead-in about the physical attributes of evaluating a record for defects & quality to be very educational, thank you.
I'm cool with hearing what the Swifties have to say, that's the point. I want to understand, but I really don't. We'll see if this exchange gets nasty, I'm betting the Swifties'll stay cool
I wish I hadn't missed this. I need to send you 1989/reputation. Thanks for your thoughts. I think a lot of people see themselves in her lyrics, I know for me it is nice to not feel alone with those thoughts and she makes it okay to feel different ways. She has a song about every emotion at this point.
I love what Taylor's about, and the good things she does. For real
I have watched some of your reaction on live and, honestly, as a Swiftie I can understand your point of view. And still I don't quite get the hate about "me" and "I". There's nothing wrong with writing about your emotions, a lot of artists, if not all of them except folky singers, do this. They sing from their perspective and that's what makes songs relatable to people. At least you could've appreciated her ability to write such strong metaphors and words, that most of us can know only from dictionary. Well, if you want some songs not about her and without "me, I-I", you can listen to The Last Great American Dynasty, The Albatross (which is from TTPD: The Anthology), How Did It End?, No Body No Crime, Champagne Problems, etc. There are a lot of storytelling songs in Taylor's catalog from a different POV or about some other person.
Hey, we can disagree and still get along. Deeply autobiographical songs about her relationships just doesn't resonate with me. I'm glad she's around and making people happy😊
listen to billie eilish new album called hit me hard and soft!!
I'm curious to know what music you enjoy. Obviously you won't "get it" if it's not your preferred type of music. BTW,:TTPD is a "grower not a shower" for most people. It takes some getting used to but - for me - it has become my favorite album. Not just my favorite TS, but my fave of all time. But I can see how you might not appreciate it. Another question: Have you seen any of her movies or music videos? She is a master of visual media and she is an amazing live performer so you might find it interesting to see some of her videos or movies.
Just for a bit of context: I'm a 66yo guy who has wide-ranging tastes in music. Until a year ago, my fave was Metallica. But what I discovered about a year ago is that Taylor and I seem to have the same tastes in music. I'm not super tuned-in to her lyrics (although I do love their poetic nature and the wordplay). It's mostly the melodies and production that pull me in. She could sing in a foreign language and I still love her albums. Anyway, it's clear that you can't hear what I hear (just as I wouldn't hear what you hear if you love an album that I don't like). You are like a blind guy trying to appreciate great painting in an art gallery. You won't "get" why people are so amazed with the art because, plain and simple, you literally don't perceive what her fans perceive. (And vice versa for me, relative to certain music that you love that I don't like.) Your ears register the vibrations in the air, but you don't perceive the artistic essence. (Sorta like if I and a German guy were to listen to a speech in German. Our ear drums would vibrate essentially the same, but where he would hear meaningful language, I would hear gibberish. My mind is not trained to understand.)
But I love that you are listening and keeping your mind open. That's exactly what I did but, in my case, I eventually fell in love with her entire discography.
I’m literally broadcasting in a room with 11,000 records….
Hearing a 30-something white girl, born with a silver spoon in her mouth, complaining about her failed relationships, just isn’t relatable. The music itself is audio wallpaper, strongly vanilla.
I’m not trying to be mean, but none of this strikes me as exceptional or deep. It’s not offensive; it’s just….boring?
But hey, I’m happy that she makes so many people happy. Taste is subjective, there is no right or wrong 🙂
@@VinylJunkies666 Since we both understand that tastes are subjective, we are essentially in agreement, although our subjective tastes are obviously different. You do a good job of reminding people of the subjectivity, so thanks for that. Where I get annoyed is when people seem to forget the subjectivity and talk as if their judgments are stating objective truth. Her music is obviously not "audio wallpaper" or "vanilla" etc., from the perspective of her 100s of millions of fans. I was responding primarily to your constant questioning of her popularity. You can't understand WHY she is so popular and my response, in a nutshell, is "of course you can't understand it" any more than a dog or a cat could understand it. You don't process the music in the way that her fans do. But, all objective evidence suggests that she is an extremely talented singer-songwriter and performer - despite the fact the millions of people like you are scratching their heads and wondering WTF makes her so popular. The primary objective truth in the situation is that, as you point out, she brings incredible enjoyment to record numbers of people worldwide, but not to everyone - which brings us to the old saying: "You can't please everyone all the time."
@@gaylenwoof There's nothing objective about my, or anyone's opinion about music. It's certainly not something to fight over. If it makes you happy, it's good.
I see you removed your original post--including my comment--and now reposted your review which came up as recommended to me by YT. I have no idea if you got other negative comments, but I thought I'd come back to clarify my prior post.
My issue was your frequent complaining about her having her head up her a$$, and your saying that the songs were too "I, I, I, me, me, me"...this after you were told that it's a breakup album, that her songs are predominantly from her POV/experiences, so you knew it was obviously going to be exactly what you then repeatedly harped on about (it certainly came across as whining). And this, despite you're praising Marvin Gaye's breakup album. Can you understand how frustrating & maddening it was to have you going on like that?
It was also confusing that you said you weren't a lyrics guy, then were quick to call many of hers cringe, and ignore the storytelling aspect, her ability to use metaphors to communicate feelings & experiences. You have apparently listened to two other Taylor albums, so why were you surprised at how her songs are presented? If you decide to listen to a rock album, you shouldn't be complaining about the rock songs, right? This album is heavily focused on the lyrics with the production more a vehicle for her words. It's definitely different than her pop sounds. I can see for someone who's consumption of music is targeted at the production, the sounds, that an album like this would be vanilla, and as a preference, I respect that opinion.
I would've recommended first reading the Summation Taylor put in the album cover, I think it should've been in the beginning, but you didn't appear to have read the front Stevie Nicks poem either. In Taylor's summation, she explains the reason that this album exists, and that it's different from her past albums in that it's purpose was first & foremost for her sanity & to process the emotional upheaval she'd experienced with the end of a long-term relationship and then a volatile rebound. That Taylor chose to share it with others so we might find experiences we can relate to, and also might want to hear her songs, is a gift of vulnerability that few artists are willing to give.
I know Swifties have a reputation for attacking those who are negative about Taylor. I'm hoping that my taking the time to repost a more thorough reasoning for my reaction to your review will be seen in an objective way instead of just another Swiftie being mean.
FYI: I found your lead-in about the physical attributes of evaluating a record for defects & quality to be very educational, thank you.
The original vid (with music) was taken down by YT, sorry. I edited down to only the reaction part, thanks for your comment!
The torture is listening to Taylor Swift then having to listen to her fans tell you why you don't "get her"
I'm cool with hearing what the Swifties have to say, that's the point. I want to understand, but I really don't. We'll see if this exchange gets nasty, I'm betting the Swifties'll stay cool