Someone pointed this out to me but the Maker messing with reeds equations is the same thing doctor doom accuses reed of in the main marvel universe that led to his disfigurement
Lol I love Doom, the Ultimates universe is proof that Dr.Doom was right, " Reed, you're smart and there's no denying that. But if you lived my life, experienced my failures, felt my pain. You'd be Dr. Doom too. Albeit , an inferior one. "
No it's not true at all. Even after the Maker took everything from him he was still Reed. It took years of non stop torture, disfigurment, brain washing and brain SURGERY before Richards called himself Doom. If anything it proved Victor was absolutely dead wrong.
@@Theorphan81 My guy, that legitimately proves Doom right. Doom's entire life has been the universe shitting in his cereal everyday from his childhood until he became an adult.
Rob, my man, you need to reread the book. Tony is not watching the screen. That was Doom Reed attempting to change the past BEFORE talking to Tony. Each page in this book takes place across 4 different time periods. What's ABSOLUTELY brilliant about this book is that you can read it the traditional way, one page at a time, or you can read it CHRONOLOGICALLY if you follow the top panels left to right, then wrap back around to the beginning and read the next row! It's literally the most insane thing I've ever seen in a comic. The third row is specifically Doom trying everything he can to change the past and failing over and over again and you see him hurt his hands which is what Tony was referring to. Doom realizes changing the past is futile, so his last and best hope is recreating the Fantastic Four in the present. Also, it was America Chavez that Tony was referring to at 4:36, who they rescued in Issue #2. For viewers, please don't take this video as a replacement for actually reading the comic. I highly recommend picking up all the Ultimate books because they are really something special. It all begins in Ultimate Invasion 1-4, then Ultimate Universe #1. From there you can read Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimates for the full picture. I also definitely recommend Ultimate Black Panther and Ultimate X-Men, but they are doing their own things right now and aren't as tied in as Spider-Man and Ultimates. Seriously though, Ultimates is incredible.
Ah, I had actually completely missed that that was how it worked out chronologically on the first reading. I was reading digitally via Kindle's guided comic reader mode and while I usually really like the feature, it kind of messed with the flow in this case. I could tell it was bouncing around to different times, but it seemed a bit jumbled.
@LotS-quag This one is worth owning a copy of physically cause it was really satisfying turning back to the beginning of the book to continue the story. But another thing I just realized about the book. It's Issue 4, each page has 4 panels, it's dealing with the 4th dimension time across 4 different time periods, and it's about the Fantastic Four. Absolutely brilliant.
It reminds me of Pax Americana and Promethea #32 in a way that it’s non-linear storytelling. I love stuff like this that uses the medium of comics to its unique advantage. Deniz Camp essentially wrote FOUR comic books that make sense whether you read the rows one at a time or just straight through like a normal comic.
A genuinely horrifying amount of self hatred, the maker pulling a reverse flash on himself. It’s pretty haunting the smile drawn on the maker when Reed says he’s doom.
God, this story is so tragic and angsty, I love it. Revealing how the F4 died, one by flames, one by suicide (or murdered), and the other due to radiation poisoning. Showing how the Maker tortured an innocent version of himself, who never knew that none of his situation was his fault. To be tortured and brainwashed into a new identity, only to later find out with Howard Stark that his life was supposed to be different, that he was supposed to be a part of the F4.
Their fate is similar to Ruins, aside from Reed surviving. Definitely not quite as gruesome, but similar. While I think this is a cool twist on things, I *love* "classic" Victor Von Doom's character. We already have The Maker (who's awesome) as the "AU Evil Reed". I'd honestly have preferred they went with a different character as the base for this universe's Doom.
It's also a twisted reflection of their fates, Johnny dies in flames, Ben is dead in a rocky quarry, Sue is literally disintegrating and vanishing, and then Reed is stretched and moulded into being Doom.
I mean, more specifically, as you put with Johnny being killed by flames, but Ben jumping into a ROCK quarry. Sue's father literally saying the radiation is making her "fade away," and with Reed... his metaphorical death is being tortured and his very psyche being pulled and stretched beyond what any normal man could endure. He may have taken the name "Doom," but Reed is finding a way to snap back into the man he once was. The man he SHOULD be.
It looks like Maker changed Reed's numbers, to deliberately kill the FF. Makes sense, given the reputation and power of the FF as an inspiration to he other heroes. Like letting Peter live a normal life, thus ensuring his insane learning capacity doesn't get nurtured, challenged, or used. Or stealing the Moon Landing just because he could.
DAMN. The fact that the maker’s doing this to himself(albeit an alternate version of myself) makes you lowkey question how much self hatred he has. He’s a real bastard😭
Thats not self hatred and you're a moron with a low grasp of how alternative selves work. They arent you, you are your experiences. Mindless apes only see people as icons as opposed to individuals
Well in most other universes, Reed always got the family he truly wanted but The Maker lost pretty much everything (his universe included) over a series of misfortunes. He despises most reeds because he sees himself as the one whom achieved the most out of all of them( but I'm pretty sure deep down he has some resentment towards himself for his misfortunes. That's why he became The Maker to begin with)
Maker literally expressed the personification of hating himself, to screw up an alternate of himself and turn him to what is supposed to be his worst enemy in the main marvel universe. Maker is fucking Ruthless, I do wonder what happened to 6160 Victor Von Doom, who he ended up being. Or if he got disposed by the maker Himself. Aside of that can’t wait for the maker get his ass handled to oblivion.
In The Maker's defense, 616 Reed literally told him to his face that he would have unmade The Maker. Jokes aside, it's almost like how the cycle of abuse forms. I have a feeling that 6160 Victor Von Doom is actually part of Ultimate Reed, and that The Maker has basically set up Ultimate Reed as a sleeper agent. I can easily see him being used a a Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker plot device to bring The Maker's consciousness into that Doom. It's messy but I'm having fun with these questions!
@@XXMatt0040XX never happening, Hickman on Ultimate Invasion Established that everything post Secret Wars related to the maker was this: "Maker Survived and he has been inprisoned all this time"
Do you think Victor Von Doom could be this Earth’s sorcerer supreme? If i’m not mistaken, in a panel or something it shows The Maker having killed him somehow. Or by circumstances had him killer.
@WaaaghMarine Yeah, agreed. You just nailed The Maker's character. That was the best character "summary" I've seen. Now I'm realizing how much Eobard Thawn influence The Maker has too, with the facade. (You think the Big E ever studied Ork spores for the Astartes Project? I feel like it'd be way better if Geneseed was a fungal spore--- NO I'M NOT A HERETIC MISTER BLACK TEMPLAR!)
I like how this transcends the name Doctor Doom, into a title. A title that anyone whose experienced great trauma and pain, whose then decided to dedicate their existence to achieving whatever form of power necessary to make right their lives, eliminating their enemies, and conquering existence itself so that no one will ever hurt them again.
DOOM, the artist, also thought of his moniker much in the same way. Mentions this in quite a few songs. His study of Dr.Dooms character was impeccable. R.I.P. to the King
I don't know.. in my youth he always felt like a main villain for the Fantastic Four.. at least I thought he was a key player but have noticed not so much lately
@@Dreadpoolz3977the comment right above yours explains what I mean. Most people think fantastic Four villain or secret wars. My local comic shop guy hadn’t even heard of ‘Books of Doom’! Most readers don’t even remember tales to astonish. Triumph and torment is pretty well known but still.
Seems like Maker still held some resentment over Ultimate FF and 616 Reed, and took it out on their 6160 counterparts. Johnny burned his face, so Maker incinerated him Ben was his best friend, but went against Maker and was in a relationship with Sue, so he had him killed and covered it as a suicide Maker loved Sue, but she tried to kill him multiple times, so he had her die a slow painful death And he hates Reed, so he morphed 6160 Reed into this reality's Doom
I like the idea, but in some cases ppl come out the womb crazy, or evil and some are born the other way. But I agree generally ppl are a product of environment
It sounds to me like the Maker was trying to make a Doom so he can take the name Reed. Victor might not even exist in this world since Reed has no knowledge of him.
It’s sick and twisted. He hated being the villain and projected all that evil onto his innocent counterpart just so he can essentially be “Reed Richard’s”
@@XXMatt0040XX No, because this Doom has nothing to do with the original one. Literally nothing, if not the name, that however has a different origin! 😀
@@XXMatt0040XX No. It was the torture and so on. The Reed Richards of earth 6160 seems to have almost zero knowledge of anyone named “Doom” or “Damme”. It makes it seem that either this is a world where Victor died young or was simply never existed. I will go with the ladder since that would explain the torture Maker put his alternate counterpart through. This universe seems to be one where Dr. Doom never originally existed which makes what Maker did more messed up. Without Victor, the Fantastic Four would’ve been a rising and almost unstoppable team, Thor would’ve a kind and worthy King of Asgard, The Avengers would’ve been a amazing team to see. Instead we had one man’s ego completely reshape a world that he has no connection to into his own twisted image. To fit in with his image of recreating the original ultimate universe he tortured his counterpart into filling the role of Dr. Doom.
The Maker and Kang the conquer have so much in common. It's poetically sad. Both driven mad by a self destructive purpose. And they both connected by one tyrannical feeling. And that feeling is DOOM.
Thisbnew Ultimate Universe ROCKS. Hickman had, once again, crafted such a good story. Hickman's Ultimate Spider-Man is just so good and Deniz Camp has been killing it with the Ultimates books. I haven't been this invested in a comic series in a while. I usually don't read every issue of a series, but I am with this.
Howard Stark isn’t dead. He’s locked in the dome with The Maker and Kang/Tony. I get it, details details. But, the details matter to the overall story.
@@emanuelepolloni4002 Kang is Tony, who idolizes his father. He isn’t and hasn’t tried to kill Howard. In fact, he told all of his “future Avengers” he was off limits. So, until we see the dome open, and Howard dead, he is still alive. Just like the Maker and Kang
It's like the maker is trying to punish and himself torture himself in a way they're both Reed Richards. One was going to be destined to be just like the 616 Reed Richards for the most part and he's the original ultimate Reed Richards who lost it all and he wants to make another Reed Richards feel the same pain he feels.
Reed Richards worst enemy is another Reed Richards. One person that Reed can almost always beat is Doom. Which is why The Maker (Reed) turned 6160 Reed into Doom. A way of controlling a huge threat, while turning this threat into an easily beatable enemy.
I like this new ultimate universe a lot, and this version of Doom might be one of the best thing about it alongside Spider-Man, I love his tragic backstory
Part of the genius of this issue is reading it in two ways. The first time with the panels laying out in puzzle pieces and putting them together. The second time, from left to right across the whole issue and getting the story in timeline order. Just a brilliant execution by the whole creative team.
@@chrisrusso4512 oh this already has explaination unless there is new story i missed. one if granddad and the other grand son. there was an entire and Sue really shined in it. Reed was super slow to pick up.
@@JemieBridges that’s three Franklin Richards. Franklin Richards, alleged grandson of Doom, steals time travel and becomes Kang, who is inspired after meeting Doom. The “other” franklin Richards, alleged father of Reed Richards, just happens to ALSO be a Master Of Time. They’re ALL Masters Of Time. They take turns fighting, helping, and becoming each other, over and over. Marvels makes the point in this story
I would love to see Victor's reaction to this Doom and knowing it's Reed tortured by Reed into becoming Doom. On one had it's Reed being tortured, On the other hand it's Reed making another version of himself into Doom. Victor would be disgusted to see a version of Reed carrying the moniker of Doom especially if he was created by another version of Reed.
I only loved it because you explained it so well. If one thing was missing, I mean one jolt of plot misinterpreted. Then I wouldn't even bother. Thanks Robert @comics explained
Shows how far gone the Maker is as well. He doesn't even try to win his other self's loyalty, or win him as a protégé. He doesn't even simply get him killed to remove the risk. No, he goes all out and tortures him into a pale imitation of his old rival, to prove that he's better...
I don't know what to think about this story. I think they will use this story to base the RDJ Doom movie. It's not Victor von Doom is Tony Stark that had one very bad day.
Marvel said, ultimate #4 will going to explain how rdj become Dr doom... Then, that means The Maker is going to make his live action appearance & going to make Rdj's iron man to Dr Doom😍🤩 (Most probably similar like this... like only tony from the whole avengers team survives in avenger 1 or infinity war or endgame final battle (because most probably The maker is going to change many things, which going to leads all avengers members & pepper, happy, spiderman, etc die in front of tony) & then The maker arrives & takes Rdj's tony with him & start torturing & start making him Dr Doom)🤩 Even in this also, they literally showed, that this Dr doom isn't a villen and in the same place, not the hero, that he's in alternate earth... Mcu needs to make the Reed Reacher from Fan4stic (2015) to "the maker" (coz Fan4stic's reed story almost same like The maker's from 1610) & it will going to become way cooler than introducing another earth🔥
What are you smoking about? The MCU and the Marvel Ultimate Universe or the comics are not the same continuity? Away where is your sources to say that the MCU Robert Downey Jr's doctor Doom Is the same one As The comic book one
@@nickypool415 First of all brother... r u asking me or saying me, That Mcu & Comics r in same continuity? If u saying me, Then let me say, it's not... Mcu & Marvel Comics right now r in totally different continuity & following totally different events & doing totally different stuffs which r completely different (eg:- there is two america chaves rn, one is in mcu's earth 616 & one is in this Ultimate earth's... which is impossible coz she is only one in whole multiverse)... nd at least till the secret wars, it will be like this... after secret wars, Most probably, Kevin can reset comic's main earth 616 (like they did in 2015's secret war comic) & going to make mcu's earth 616 & comic's earth 616, the same earth... ofcoz, Am not going to say, comic rn isn't canon in mcu's multiverse... it is canon properly, but didn't following properly means it's in huge mess rn... & second... U didn't even read the comment properly & starts saying that am I high or what? I literally never said in the comment, that this doom & rdj's doom r same... never ever said... & neither marvel or any sources even said this... Marvel, the writer of this Ultimate series (mainly means he mainly said it properly means the writer of this Ultimate series & this Ultimate #4 comic... just google it, & u will get) & all the sources literally said it properly that this Ultimate #4 comic will going to show that how mcu is going to show that Rdj is going to become Dr doom, means Russo brother & marvel is going to base & draw the main inspiration for the story of Rdj's dr doom mostly from this comic only... instead of Reed Reacher, it will be Rdj & events will be change & going to base on mcu's events... udk about this, isn't the fault of mine but almost every hard-core marvel fans knows about it... the writer & marvel literally said about this, back in August's beginning... & that's y more ppl, was waiting for this comic to get release with alot of hype & excitement🔥
I don't think Tony knows that Doom is Reed and also, everything was on the screen for Reed to see. The parts with Tony speaking are different cut-ins relating to when Tony first came in to check on him. Everything you're seeing on the screen and Doom describing everything are to himself and what he was up to before Tony came in. Tony is saying "sorry" not because he understands what's going on in Doom's head but rather because of the explanation Doom just gave to him. He basically said "I'm going through some things" and Tony responded with "I'm sorry to hear that but it's no excuse." But also, the moment when you explained that Tony apologized, that was Doom saying sorry for being absent. I believe they differentiate the moments by way of Doom having his hood on or off. On when he's solo and off when he's speaking. Typed this then reread the issue. I'm absolutely correct. Tony came to check on him, he said "im going through some feelings" and that's what Tony was sorry about but that was at the beginning of the issue. Any further talk between them was about "Project 4", the mice, and the Immortus Engine. T
You should contact marvel Rob and see if you can do “books on tape” for their comics. You have a great voice for this and your joy for the comics always bleeds through and is contagious.
It is still part of the makers plan. He most likely foreseen this by looking through the immortus engine. It's unclear if this is what he wants. Why not get rid of characters completely? Why engineer a Doom? If the maker wanted victory he would have had it by looking at the answer sheet and checking his work.
It's crazy how the three who died mirrored who they were in 616. Johnny died by flames. Ben died on orange rocks. Susan died to rad poisoning, but her father said 'she faded away'. Which is pretty much what invisibility is.
Doom said “You’ve lost nothing! One day you might but Lord knows I pray that’ll never happen.”👏🏾 😮💨 Sheeesh. I’m loving the ultimates universe so much! Those mice were a treat to see.
Not a true origin. His so called origin is because before the creation of the new Ultimate Universe,The Maker asked 616 Reed if he will try to kill him(the maker) if they meet again, and as smart as Reed is, he said yes, he will always try to destroy the Maker. So the maker destroyed Reeds new Ultimate universe origin.
4:39 I don’t think he meant Captain America but America Chavez who they rescued a while back. I kinda wondered why you skipped to this issue and didn’t look at issues 2 & 3?
6:10 Now I'm wondering if Ultimate Doom's got something to do with the Cosmic Control Rod... Or anything with the real Negative Zone. He could be like 616 Doom during the event when he used the Nullifier, able to see visions of other realities. Just spitting out some thoughts. (Note: I haven't finished the video)
@@75skyloftmexican I just did, I think he's going to create a cosmic cube or have something to do with the Infinity Stones. "I'd rebuild the world stone by stone." I wonder what happened to the Victor Von Doom of this universe
Very unpopular opinion, but this issue was kind of it for me. I've been on the fence about The Ultimates book so far, but this issue (while good) just didn't do much for me. I think part of it is the artwork (particularly for this issue) feeling bland, but nothing has really hooked me thus far. Even with USM: I like the story, but I don't feel compelled to care. There are lots of interesting ideas at work, but the hook just seems to be "Things are different because why not right?" Which is ironic because the only book that I'm all around the board in on has been the UBP book.
Someone pointed this out to me but the Maker messing with reeds equations is the same thing doctor doom accuses reed of in the main marvel universe that led to his disfigurement
And the same thing with the Maker and 1610 Ultimate doom from issue 1 of ultimate Fantastic Four.
Lol I love Doom, the Ultimates universe is proof that Dr.Doom was right, " Reed, you're smart and there's no denying that. But if you lived my life, experienced my failures, felt my pain. You'd be Dr. Doom too. Albeit , an inferior one. "
Pretty much he’s Doom with One Bad Day.
That's dope ❤
@@mrdude88original ultimate reed had more than one bad day let’s not downplay how his life was nothing like 616
No it's not true at all. Even after the Maker took everything from him he was still Reed.
It took years of non stop torture, disfigurment, brain washing and brain SURGERY before Richards called himself Doom.
If anything it proved Victor was absolutely dead wrong.
@@Theorphan81 My guy, that legitimately proves Doom right. Doom's entire life has been the universe shitting in his cereal everyday from his childhood until he became an adult.
Love the cover. The "Reed Richards" mouse going through the eyes makes it look like Doom's mask is crying.
Fun fact: the Fantastic 4 represent the 4 elements. Mr. Fantastic is the water representation
@@darrylrios44would sue be air?
@@Julian-um2om yes
@@Julian-um2om and then the obvious Fire and Earth heroes
That was my exact first thought too.
Rob, my man, you need to reread the book. Tony is not watching the screen. That was Doom Reed attempting to change the past BEFORE talking to Tony. Each page in this book takes place across 4 different time periods. What's ABSOLUTELY brilliant about this book is that you can read it the traditional way, one page at a time, or you can read it CHRONOLOGICALLY if you follow the top panels left to right, then wrap back around to the beginning and read the next row! It's literally the most insane thing I've ever seen in a comic. The third row is specifically Doom trying everything he can to change the past and failing over and over again and you see him hurt his hands which is what Tony was referring to. Doom realizes changing the past is futile, so his last and best hope is recreating the Fantastic Four in the present. Also, it was America Chavez that Tony was referring to at 4:36, who they rescued in Issue #2.
For viewers, please don't take this video as a replacement for actually reading the comic. I highly recommend picking up all the Ultimate books because they are really something special.
It all begins in Ultimate Invasion 1-4, then Ultimate Universe #1. From there you can read Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimates for the full picture. I also definitely recommend Ultimate Black Panther and Ultimate X-Men, but they are doing their own things right now and aren't as tied in as Spider-Man and Ultimates.
Seriously though, Ultimates is incredible.
Ah, I had actually completely missed that that was how it worked out chronologically on the first reading. I was reading digitally via Kindle's guided comic reader mode and while I usually really like the feature, it kind of messed with the flow in this case. I could tell it was bouncing around to different times, but it seemed a bit jumbled.
@LotS-quag This one is worth owning a copy of physically cause it was really satisfying turning back to the beginning of the book to continue the story.
But another thing I just realized about the book. It's Issue 4, each page has 4 panels, it's dealing with the 4th dimension time across 4 different time periods, and it's about the Fantastic Four. Absolutely brilliant.
It reminds me of Pax Americana and Promethea #32 in a way that it’s non-linear storytelling.
I love stuff like this that uses the medium of comics to its unique advantage. Deniz Camp essentially wrote FOUR comic books that make sense whether you read the rows one at a time or just straight through like a normal comic.
Gud post
@@Amuro1X And...it was released on September 4th
A genuinely horrifying amount of self hatred, the maker pulling a reverse flash on himself. It’s pretty haunting the smile drawn on the maker when Reed says he’s doom.
This Doom (Reed) definitely has a true reason to hate Reed (Maker).
@@thetonybroomes Kang always fights Kang
Then this begs the question... where's Victor?
being a psycho dicator in Latveria probably
Maker killed him and made latveria his homebase
dead
God Emperor Doom must go back to kick the Maker's a**
@@Sam-oq8gy is this legit?
God, this story is so tragic and angsty, I love it. Revealing how the F4 died, one by flames, one by suicide (or murdered), and the other due to radiation poisoning.
Showing how the Maker tortured an innocent version of himself, who never knew that none of his situation was his fault. To be tortured and brainwashed into a new identity, only to later find out with Howard Stark that his life was supposed to be different, that he was supposed to be a part of the F4.
Their fate is similar to Ruins, aside from Reed surviving. Definitely not quite as gruesome, but similar. While I think this is a cool twist on things, I *love* "classic" Victor Von Doom's character. We already have The Maker (who's awesome) as the "AU Evil Reed". I'd honestly have preferred they went with a different character as the base for this universe's Doom.
It's also a twisted reflection of their fates, Johnny dies in flames, Ben is dead in a rocky quarry, Sue is literally disintegrating and vanishing, and then Reed is stretched and moulded into being Doom.
I mean, more specifically, as you put with Johnny being killed by flames, but Ben jumping into a ROCK quarry. Sue's father literally saying the radiation is making her "fade away," and with Reed... his metaphorical death is being tortured and his very psyche being pulled and stretched beyond what any normal man could endure. He may have taken the name "Doom," but Reed is finding a way to snap back into the man he once was. The man he SHOULD be.
Hell yea bruh@@Leoncroi
It looks like Maker changed Reed's numbers, to deliberately kill the FF. Makes sense, given the reputation and power of the FF as an inspiration to he other heroes. Like letting Peter live a normal life, thus ensuring his insane learning capacity doesn't get nurtured, challenged, or used. Or stealing the Moon Landing just because he could.
DAMN. The fact that the maker’s doing this to himself(albeit an alternate version of myself) makes you lowkey question how much self hatred he has. He’s a real bastard😭
Thats not self hatred and you're a moron with a low grasp of how alternative selves work. They arent you, you are your experiences. Mindless apes only see people as icons as opposed to individuals
Well in most other universes, Reed always got the family he truly wanted but The Maker lost pretty much everything (his universe included) over a series of misfortunes.
He despises most reeds because he sees himself as the one whom achieved the most out of all of them( but I'm pretty sure deep down he has some resentment towards himself for his misfortunes. That's why he became The Maker to begin with)
Maker literally expressed the personification of hating himself, to screw up an alternate of himself and turn him to what is supposed to be his worst enemy in the main marvel universe. Maker is fucking Ruthless, I do wonder what happened to 6160 Victor Von Doom, who he ended up being. Or if he got disposed by the maker Himself. Aside of that can’t wait for the maker get his ass handled to oblivion.
In The Maker's defense, 616 Reed literally told him to his face that he would have unmade The Maker. Jokes aside, it's almost like how the cycle of abuse forms.
I have a feeling that 6160 Victor Von Doom is actually part of Ultimate Reed, and that The Maker has basically set up Ultimate Reed as a sleeper agent. I can easily see him being used a a Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker plot device to bring The Maker's consciousness into that Doom. It's messy but I'm having fun with these questions!
We still need Venom and The Maker to have their rematch. Be it Eddie, Dylan, or Peter. I want the rematch!
@@XXMatt0040XX never happening, Hickman on Ultimate Invasion Established that everything post Secret Wars related to the maker was this: "Maker Survived and he has been inprisoned all this time"
Do you think Victor Von Doom could be this Earth’s sorcerer supreme? If i’m not mistaken, in a panel or something it shows The Maker having killed him somehow. Or by circumstances had him killer.
@WaaaghMarine Yeah, agreed. You just nailed The Maker's character. That was the best character "summary" I've seen.
Now I'm realizing how much Eobard Thawn influence The Maker has too, with the facade.
(You think the Big E ever studied Ork spores for the Astartes Project? I feel like it'd be way better if Geneseed was a fungal spore--- NO I'M NOT A HERETIC MISTER BLACK TEMPLAR!)
List of things what is off limits:
- cocain (the one thing that Feige said)
- Immortus Engine
I like how this transcends the name Doctor Doom, into a title. A title that anyone whose experienced great trauma and pain, whose then decided to dedicate their existence to achieving whatever form of power necessary to make right their lives, eliminating their enemies, and conquering existence itself so that no one will ever hurt them again.
DOOM, the artist, also thought of his moniker much in the same way. Mentions this in quite a few songs. His study of Dr.Dooms character was impeccable. R.I.P. to the King
@@SecretMarsupialall caps when you spell the man name 🔥🔥
@@SecretMarsupialRIP DOOM you hit the nail on the head
Rip DOOM The Great.
the primal urge to achieve godhood and rule with an iron fist
Love that Doom is getting some focus rn. By no means was he a background character. But he’s a slept on great read whatever story he’s in.
I don't know.. in my youth he always felt like a main villain for the Fantastic Four.. at least I thought he was a key player but have noticed not so much lately
When has Doom ever been slept on?
@@Dreadpoolz3977the comment right above yours explains what I mean. Most people think fantastic Four villain or secret wars. My local comic shop guy hadn’t even heard of ‘Books of Doom’!
Most readers don’t even remember tales to astonish. Triumph and torment is pretty well known but still.
Fr bro he is in my opinion the best character in fiction
@iiishimmyiii and Secret Wars is largely considered the last great Marvel event
Seems like Maker still held some resentment over Ultimate FF and 616 Reed, and took it out on their 6160 counterparts.
Johnny burned his face, so Maker incinerated him
Ben was his best friend, but went against Maker and was in a relationship with Sue, so he had him killed and covered it as a suicide
Maker loved Sue, but she tried to kill him multiple times, so he had her die a slow painful death
And he hates Reed, so he morphed 6160 Reed into this reality's Doom
The Maker gave him the Theon Greyjoy/Reek treatment.
😧
Reek Richards moment
Damn. That was fucked.
He said he controls time as well, so I imagine that torture felt like an eternity
Reminds me of the Marquis of Death a bit
Villains aren't born.
They are made.
I like the idea, but in some cases ppl come out the womb crazy, or evil and some are born the other way. But I agree generally ppl are a product of environment
It's Ironic that this "Dr.Doom" now has an even more justified reason to hate "Reed Richards."
Well the maker
It sounds to me like the Maker was trying to make a Doom so he can take the name Reed. Victor might not even exist in this world since Reed has no knowledge of him.
It’s sick and twisted. He hated being the villain and projected all that evil onto his innocent counterpart just so he can essentially be “Reed Richard’s”
The Maker is sick and twisted enough to have literally taken Victor Von Doom's brain, and merge it with Reed/Doom's brain.
@@XXMatt0040XX No, because this Doom has nothing to do with the original one. Literally nothing, if not the name, that however has a different origin! 😀
@@XXMatt0040XXwhere tf did u get that from😂
@@XXMatt0040XX No. It was the torture and so on. The Reed Richards of earth 6160 seems to have almost zero knowledge of anyone named “Doom” or “Damme”. It makes it seem that either this is a world where Victor died young or was simply never existed. I will go with the ladder since that would explain the torture Maker put his alternate counterpart through. This universe seems to be one where Dr. Doom never originally existed which makes what Maker did more messed up. Without Victor, the Fantastic Four would’ve been a rising and almost unstoppable team, Thor would’ve a kind and worthy King of Asgard, The Avengers would’ve been a amazing team to see. Instead we had one man’s ego completely reshape a world that he has no connection to into his own twisted image. To fit in with his image of recreating the original ultimate universe he tortured his counterpart into filling the role of Dr. Doom.
The Maker and Kang the conquer have so much in common. It's poetically sad. Both driven mad by a self destructive purpose.
And they both connected by one tyrannical feeling. And that feeling is DOOM.
Kang is also a descendant of Reed and Doom.
Thisbnew Ultimate Universe ROCKS. Hickman had, once again, crafted such a good story. Hickman's Ultimate Spider-Man is just so good and Deniz Camp has been killing it with the Ultimates books. I haven't been this invested in a comic series in a while. I usually don't read every issue of a series, but I am with this.
Howard Stark isn’t dead. He’s locked in the dome with The Maker and Kang/Tony. I get it, details details. But, the details matter to the overall story.
Seems like Rob can’t mention Kang
Considering he’s closed into a dome with a bunch of people that hate him, he’s probably dead or subjected to a fate worse than dead.
@@emanuelepolloni4002 Kang is Tony, who idolizes his father. He isn’t and hasn’t tried to kill Howard. In fact, he told all of his “future Avengers” he was off limits. So, until we see the dome open, and Howard dead, he is still alive. Just like the Maker and Kang
@@rougewarrior26 But the Maker is inside too, and since he's a thought bastard and is probably pissed at Howard, I'm pretty sure he's not doing well
It's like the maker is trying to punish and himself torture himself in a way they're both Reed Richards. One was going to be destined to be just like the 616 Reed Richards for the most part and he's the original ultimate Reed Richards who lost it all and he wants to make another Reed Richards feel the same pain he feels.
Well there have been Reed Dooms before, most especially Doom-2099
@@JemieBridges while there have been times where Reed has taken over as Doctor Doom. 2099 Doctor Doom is just Victor from an alternate future.
6160 Reed is *DOOOMED*
In more way than one
Reed Richards worst enemy is another Reed Richards. One person that Reed can almost always beat is Doom.
Which is why The Maker (Reed) turned 6160 Reed into Doom. A way of controlling a huge threat, while turning this threat into an easily beatable enemy.
So glad that Deniz Camp decided to have RDJ's Doom's Origin in this issue! Thanks for covering it, Rob!
I thought the 616 Reed would be going after the maker. He left and their like, HEY HES SOMEONE ELSE’s PROBLEM.
Well Reed has kids plus they explore a lot so makes sense but knowing Reed he is secretly trying to search for the Maker that's is how he is
Easily my new favorite channel. Keep up the great work!
Just cold blooded. The maker literally got rid of himself for fun
I cannot wait to see The Ultimates team up with Spiderman and Black Panther. I wonder if they’ll get together before The Maker returns
I like this new ultimate universe a lot, and this version of Doom might be one of the best thing about it alongside Spider-Man, I love his tragic backstory
Part of the genius of this issue is reading it in two ways. The first time with the panels laying out in puzzle pieces and putting them together. The second time, from left to right across the whole issue and getting the story in timeline order. Just a brilliant execution by the whole creative team.
This entire universe has been absolutely one of the most creative projects I’ve seen in a while!
I love dr dooms hubris ! His one shot by Hickman was superb!
This was f***ing insane 🤯 The Maker really is reeking havoc on this universe 😳
Tony Stark is Kang and Reed Richards is Doom
@@BrandonDudley-pr6cv marvel’s going to admit Reed doom Kang are all Kang. If not, explain the two Franklin Richards synchronicity
Two Franklins?
@@chrisrusso4512 oh this already has explaination unless there is new story i missed. one if granddad and the other grand son. there was an entire and Sue really shined in it. Reed was super slow to pick up.
@@JemieBridges that’s three Franklin Richards.
Franklin Richards, alleged grandson of Doom, steals time travel and becomes Kang, who is inspired after meeting Doom.
The “other” franklin Richards, alleged father of Reed Richards, just happens to ALSO be a Master Of Time.
They’re ALL Masters Of Time. They take turns fighting, helping, and becoming each other, over and over. Marvels makes the point in this story
Tony Stark is Doom (MCU) and The Maker is Kang (6160)
When the video is 20+ minutes long 🤩 thank you for your service Rob!!
Love Hickman, Bendis and Gillen’s work because of your older videos
Haven't watched yet. The Maker has ABSOLUTELY made (whoever) Doom is suffer...
But well... we all know what Doom does when he's met with harsh trial
DOOM ENDURES !!!...
Thanks for the video Rob!
I find it hilarious that Rob says in every video bear with me while i explain this aspect of comics on a channel called comics explained lol
You need to read Hickman's Ultimate Invasion #1-4, and Ultimate Universe one shot to catch up with the Ultimate Universe's current stories.
Thanks
The Maker just going around doing twisted sick experimenting with different universes
When this doom meets the maker, face to face down the line, you can just FEEL the hate Doom when that happens.
Rob is the goat! Been watching for over 10 years since High school. Now I’m a working man still watching. Keep it up man!
I would love to see Victor's reaction to this Doom and knowing it's Reed tortured by Reed into becoming Doom. On one had it's Reed being tortured, On the other hand it's Reed making another version of himself into Doom. Victor would be disgusted to see a version of Reed carrying the moniker of Doom especially if he was created by another version of Reed.
Reed was always his own worst enemy
That was dark af. The Maker is such a horrible person... but such a good villain.
yeah, that is what happens when you "one more day" Susan Storm. Reed becomes all intelligence and no heart
Ultimates #4 might be the best single issue to come out of the new Ultimate Universe. I read it like 5 times after I snagged it.
the Maker is so petty lmao
Reed as Doom was never something I thought I needed. But man, it’s so good!!
I only loved it because you explained it so well. If one thing was missing, I mean one jolt of plot misinterpreted. Then I wouldn't even bother.
Thanks Robert
@comics explained
Shows how far gone the Maker is as well. He doesn't even try to win his other self's loyalty, or win him as a protégé. He doesn't even simply get him killed to remove the risk. No, he goes all out and tortures him into a pale imitation of his old rival, to prove that he's better...
This ultimate doctor doom does have a very tragic story and is super sad and depressing in my opinion
I’ve been waiting on the ultimate series coverage since the last one - I love what Hickman does
New Ultimate Univers is so good🔥
I love this comic's cover, specially how the artist colored it
Your channel is a source of endless fun and inspiration. Keep sharing your adventures and smiles with us!😹🎬🧪
imagine if The Maker programmed Doom’s mind to never be able to find the right solution for the powers, Maker keeps his own “rat in its cage” this way
I don't know what to think about this story. I think they will use this story to base the RDJ Doom movie. It's not Victor von Doom is Tony Stark that had one very bad day.
Tony and Redd in a room, that has to be some of the biggest egos ever.
Comics explained you earned a sub
Also, damn. You're fast.
Marvel said, ultimate #4 will going to explain how rdj become Dr doom...
Then, that means The Maker is going to make his live action appearance & going to make Rdj's iron man to Dr Doom😍🤩
(Most probably similar like this... like only tony from the whole avengers team survives in avenger 1 or infinity war or endgame final battle (because most probably The maker is going to change many things, which going to leads all avengers members & pepper, happy, spiderman, etc die in front of tony) & then The maker arrives & takes Rdj's tony with him & start torturing & start making him Dr Doom)🤩
Even in this also, they literally showed, that this Dr doom isn't a villen and in the same place, not the hero, that he's in alternate earth...
Mcu needs to make the Reed Reacher from Fan4stic (2015) to "the maker" (coz Fan4stic's reed story almost same like The maker's from 1610) & it will going to become way cooler than introducing another earth🔥
What are you smoking about? The MCU and the Marvel Ultimate Universe or the comics are not the same continuity? Away where is your sources to say that the MCU Robert Downey Jr's doctor Doom Is the same one As The comic book one
@@nickypool415
First of all brother...
r u asking me or saying me, That Mcu & Comics r in same continuity?
If u saying me,
Then let me say, it's not...
Mcu & Marvel Comics right now r in totally different continuity & following totally different events & doing totally different stuffs which r completely different (eg:- there is two america chaves rn, one is in mcu's earth 616 & one is in this Ultimate earth's... which is impossible coz she is only one in whole multiverse)... nd at least till the secret wars, it will be like this... after secret wars, Most probably, Kevin can reset comic's main earth 616 (like they did in 2015's secret war comic) & going to make mcu's earth 616 & comic's earth 616, the same earth... ofcoz, Am not going to say, comic rn isn't canon in mcu's multiverse... it is canon properly, but didn't following properly means it's in huge mess rn...
& second... U didn't even read the comment properly & starts saying that am I high or what?
I literally never said in the comment, that this doom & rdj's doom r same... never ever said... & neither marvel or any sources even said this...
Marvel, the writer of this Ultimate series (mainly means he mainly said it properly means the writer of this Ultimate series & this Ultimate #4 comic... just google it, & u will get) & all the sources literally said it properly that this Ultimate #4 comic will going to show that how mcu is going to show that Rdj is going to become Dr doom, means Russo brother & marvel is going to base & draw the main inspiration for the story of Rdj's dr doom mostly from this comic only... instead of Reed Reacher, it will be Rdj & events will be change & going to base on mcu's events...
udk about this, isn't the fault of mine but almost every hard-core marvel fans knows about it... the writer & marvel literally said about this, back in August's beginning... & that's y more ppl, was waiting for this comic to get release with alot of hype & excitement🔥
@@nickypool415the writer of this literally said to read this comic to see how rdj doom is all about.
The traggic back story of switching from one panel to the next
This shows just how twisted The Maker is.
Beautiful and Tragic. And that COVER!!!! This is FREAKING AMAZING! Lemme tell ya, LEMME TELL YA SON! 😂✌🏽
I don't think Tony knows that Doom is Reed and also, everything was on the screen for Reed to see. The parts with Tony speaking are different cut-ins relating to when Tony first came in to check on him. Everything you're seeing on the screen and Doom describing everything are to himself and what he was up to before Tony came in. Tony is saying "sorry" not because he understands what's going on in Doom's head but rather because of the explanation Doom just gave to him. He basically said "I'm going through some things" and Tony responded with "I'm sorry to hear that but it's no excuse." But also, the moment when you explained that Tony apologized, that was Doom saying sorry for being absent. I believe they differentiate the moments by way of Doom having his hood on or off. On when he's solo and off when he's speaking.
Typed this then reread the issue. I'm absolutely correct. Tony came to check on him, he said "im going through some feelings" and that's what Tony was sorry about but that was at the beginning of the issue. Any further talk between them was about "Project 4", the mice, and the Immortus Engine. T
I need more of this story
Its a great story so far , this storyline pulls me in , im always waiting on the next bit.
You should contact marvel Rob and see if you can do “books on tape” for their comics. You have a great voice for this and your joy for the comics always bleeds through and is contagious.
Dammm this is an awesome origin story
"I call it my negative zone" and its a guy experiencing dissociation
It is still part of the makers plan. He most likely foreseen this by looking through the immortus engine. It's unclear if this is what he wants. Why not get rid of characters completely? Why engineer a Doom? If the maker wanted victory he would have had it by looking at the answer sheet and checking his work.
IDK, but i think it was covered once in the Council of Reeds arc. they all imprisoned their Dooms, but rarely killed them.
Rob with the old school low register voice. Pre-sonsonson 😂❤
It's crazy how the three who died mirrored who they were in 616.
Johnny died by flames.
Ben died on orange rocks.
Susan died to rad poisoning, but her father said 'she faded away'. Which is pretty much what invisibility is.
This is one of the best comics I've read in a while and I love the cover.
Keep up the good work
Dang... the Maker gaslit Doom into existence.
Doom said “You’ve lost nothing! One day you might but Lord knows I pray that’ll never happen.”👏🏾 😮💨 Sheeesh. I’m loving the ultimates universe so much! Those mice were a treat to see.
Pavement ape doing worthless emojis with broken english.
The Maker went Ramsay Bolton.
man The Maker really is just an absolute bastard, it's almost hard to believe that he was at one point a version of Reed, a hero
Not a true origin. His so called origin is because before the creation of the new Ultimate Universe,The Maker asked 616 Reed if he will try to kill him(the maker) if they meet again, and as smart as Reed is, he said yes, he will always try to destroy the Maker. So the maker destroyed Reeds new Ultimate universe origin.
Im literally in tears that was beautiful
4:39 I don’t think he meant Captain America but America Chavez who they rescued a while back. I kinda wondered why you skipped to this issue and didn’t look at issues 2 & 3?
He did
I thought the same thing.
Is just a small, and an easy mistake to make lol- you know what he meant.
Anything Doom related I’m there and Reed as Doom? 🔥
Huh, you've read Doom 2099?
I love your channel bro
Being Doom is suffering!
Love it, awesome adaptation!!!
4:42 he's referring to America Chavez, not Captain America, with this line
Freaking hell, Maker... Dude need to chill
Thank you benny thank you comicstorian
So of Reed is Doom, where is Victor in the Ultimate Universe?
Did the Maker just kill him off screen or is he still around?
Could be multiple Dooms in this universe
@@dedrickstrong6783 Maybe if Doom decide he can't give the cosmic radiation to life being, he will create the Fantastic Doombots 🤣
Another Reed doom Kang story.
Marvel knows it’s the same person
Here for it ! Let's go !
6:10 Now I'm wondering if Ultimate Doom's got something to do with the Cosmic Control Rod... Or anything with the real Negative Zone. He could be like 616 Doom during the event when he used the Nullifier, able to see visions of other realities. Just spitting out some thoughts.
(Note: I haven't finished the video)
10:00 Bending cosmic forces to his will? Okay, now I'm really curious
Finish the Vod
He'd change the world "Stone by stone?"
Okay, that's my confirmation. Ultimate Doom is trying to create a cosmic cube and/or get the Infinity Stones.
@@75skyloftmexican I just did, I think he's going to create a cosmic cube or have something to do with the Infinity Stones. "I'd rebuild the world stone by stone."
I wonder what happened to the Victor Von Doom of this universe
@@XXMatt0040XX I’ll be back in 5 minutes ones you finish the video.
I can’t wait to watch this again on the members stream , Nerdvengers 🤙🏽
Very unpopular opinion, but this issue was kind of it for me. I've been on the fence about The Ultimates book so far, but this issue (while good) just didn't do much for me. I think part of it is the artwork (particularly for this issue) feeling bland, but nothing has really hooked me thus far. Even with USM: I like the story, but I don't feel compelled to care. There are lots of interesting ideas at work, but the hook just seems to be "Things are different because why not right?" Which is ironic because the only book that I'm all around the board in on has been the UBP book.
Hello...👋 Rob... this is guys 😊 we love your content. Hope you are doing well brotha
This one was great