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MacBook Pro M1 Max vs M1 Comparison Test | Best Laptop For Music Production
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2024
- The ultimate M1 Max vs M1 comparison test! Watch me test the new 14" Macbook Pro M1 Max for music production vs the original M1 8GB MacBook Pro from 2020. 32 GB vs 8 GB, is the price of the M1 MAX MacBook Pro really worth it??? Is the M1 Max or the M1 the best laptop for music production? Watch my video to find out!
Enjoy, and ask me any question in the video comments!
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In the test I'm using the brand new MacBook Pro 14".
MacBook Pro 14" M1 MAX (2021) specs:
M1 MAX (10 cores, 24 GFX cores, 16 core neural engine)
32 GB RAM Unified Memory, 1TB storage.
MacBook Pro 13" M1 (2020) specs:
M1 (8 cores)
8 GB RAM Unified Memory, 512GB storage.
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:24 M1 Max vs M1 Test 1 - Logic Demo Project
00:02:08 Audio Settings
00:02:45 OSX versions
00:02:55 Compare with your own computer
00:03:20 PLAYING TRACK 1
00:04:28 Test 2 - Typical Music Project
00:04:50 Project Load Speed Test
00:05:10 Track breakdown of "Alex the kid" (on Spotify)
00:06:42 PLAYING TRACK 2 - Alex the kid
00:08:00 Performance diff between the M1 Max and M1?
00:08:43 Omnisphere 2 M1 MAX 32GB test
00:10:20 Omnisphere 2 M1 8GB test
00:10:44 Which MacBook Pro is best for music production?
00:11:05 Is the M1 MAX worth €4000 euros?
00:11:40 CONS - What I don’t like about the 14” MacBook Pro
00:12:00 PROS
00:12:43 Buy the new M1 MacBook Pros
This was one of the best and most helpful videos I have seen for music production with the new MacBook Pro. I'm so impressed with the performance of these newer models (and the older M1 models really hold up well!). Your tests were much more "real world" compared to some of the Logic benchmark tests I've been seeing done by mostly video-centric users that don't really reflect how most composers work. Thank you.
Thanks Nasser, I am very happy for the kind feedback! Indeed most videos showcase unrealistic scenarios without any thought on how you use a laptop for music production and think about what WE need as producers. I am going to prepare more content but Ive got quite a few apps to install. 😂😭😃 The M1 8GB is IMO the best laptop for the price, period.Totally worth it without any competition today. The RAM isnt comparable to a intel machine. Its a different architecture and very high speed transfers. Thanks again for the feedback Nasser! 🥳☕️🍿
This is THE test you need to watch before you decide on buying either the new 14" MacBook Pro or the cheaper 13" MacBook Pro. Watch me test the new 14" Macbook Pro M1 Max for music production vs the original M1 8GB MacBook Pro from 2020. 32 GB vs 8 GB, is the price of the M1 MAX MacBook Pro really worth it??? Is the M1 Max or the M1 the best laptop for music production? Watch my video to find out!
Enjoy, and ask me any question in the video comments!
All Music in the video by Mattias Holmgren
CHAPTERS
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:24 M1 Max vs M1 Test 1 - Logic Demo Project
00:02:08 Audio Settings
00:02:45 OSX versions
00:02:55 Compare with your own computer
00:03:20 PLAYING TRACK 1
00:04:28 Test 2 - Typical Music Project
00:04:50 Project Load Speed Test
00:05:10 Track breakdown of "Alex the kid" (on Spotify)
00:06:42 PLAYING TRACK 2 - Alex the kid
00:08:00 Performance diff between the M1 Max and M1?
00:08:43 Omnisphere 2 M1 MAX 32GB test
00:10:20 Omnisphere 2 M1 8GB test
00:10:44 Which MacBook Pro is best for music production?
00:11:05 Is the M1 MAX worth €4000 euros?
00:11:40 CONS - What I don’t like about the 14” MacBook Pro
00:12:00 PROS
00:12:43 Buy the new M1 MacBook Pros
10:37 That smile says everything you need to know about M1 for music production.
haha, thanks. Yeah I was pretty much blown away. These Apple Silicon equipped machines are super potent! 😄👌💎
please make videos where we you push both machines to the max. Limits! I wanna see where the Limits are how many heavy Sample Libraries with Kontakt and Omnisphere you can load. How many Diva or Serum Instances. There are a lot of Videos but no one here tell me how good the M1 Max 64Gigs is for heavy Orchestra Libraries with a big Template..
More is coming. This is my overall review of the M1 Max and first impression, also comparing it to the already powerful M1. ☀️🍿🥳
Exactly! We don't really know how they compare, they can both play that omniapere project.
How is it possible not to have the curiosity to test them to the max? I don't understand 😩
I think right now all of the M1’s are going to perform well given the software that’s available. But as we know… As software companies begin taking advantage of these upgrades, the more powerful processors are going to serve you further into the future.
Yeah we see plenty of "well behaving apps" when they are natively built arm 64 for M1 chip platform. The M1 Pro and MAx are indeed going to hold up for quite some time. Still love the original M1 8GB, such a nice lightweight package with superb power!
So it sounds like the M1 is more than enough for audio production (record, mix, master)
My question would be, would the MacBook Air be a good choice if this is all I’m doing? Say 16gb unified memory and 1tb ssd. I would obviously lack the 2 extra cores and the ability to upgrade to more memory that the M1 pro offers but I’m not quite sure that’d make a big difference for audio production, what do you think? And I’d imagine the mba 16gb memory is more than enough considering your M1 pro has 8gb and performed just fine. Any feedback would be appreciated.
Yes, although I only tried the M1 Pros but from what I experienced it should definitely be enough power (even without those extra cores) for general audio recording, mixing and mastering with tons of plugins. ☀️
@@MattiasHolmgren & would this be a smart purchase still today or would you wait for the new MacBook Airs to release, which I’d imagine would be soon although there’s no official date.
Lastly, considering the new M1 pros that just released, are those worth the extra money to upgrade or would the Air be plenty?
Thanks for posting this sensible video.
You art welcome Richard. Thanks! ☀️☕️🥁
What a wonderful video i own a 8GB 256 GB M1 with touchbar … i know people think it isnt a succes but for music makers (midi touchbar ) it is wonderful … videos like this make me value my little machine even more … i never had this kind of performance on my old asus i7 4th Generation. And overall I think Bitwig performs the best … though i really liked logic pro x and decided to buy that as well … so i am good with my m1.
Yeah, the M1 is a great machine Roy! Bitwig is indeed a wonderful DAW, and runs great on M1. Thanks!
I think for many music producer not need the m1 max i believe the m1 pro base model will b the sweet spot its better save some money for add on instead
Agree, the Max is a proper machine for heavy duty video editing / rendering.
@@MattiasHolmgren thanks awsome video keep it up the good content 👍👏
Thanks! 🙏🥁☕️
Thanks for using their real life world example of the tracks for testing
U are welcome. This is insane tech. Best part…it runs cool. 👍☀️☕️
For music composing
Probably I will buy a m1 pro with 32gb of ram but please could you tell me if you really need those 32gb for music production? Do you really think it’s helpful ?
Only if you work with large orchestral libraries and super huge projects. The mem is great when working with graphics and video editing. For general music prod the 8GB M1 is a superb package IMHO! 🥳☕️🍿🥁
Fantastic demo. Saved me a lot of $$. Ty!
Glad it helped! 🌞🔬
hello, the screen of your macbook 14 m1 pro has broken, please...
Oh sorry to hear that Ronald! Contact the place u bought it at…or Apple Support then?
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Awesome ! 💫Thanks for the sub! 👌😄
Oh Mann!! This is really helpful to see what m1 is capable in the field of music production. And you used the right plug ins to compare, so well get the idea. My old laptop runs 1 Omnisphere, if he's in the mood. Much appreciated
Thanks, happy to hear you enjoyed my clip and tests on the M1. Oh 1 Omnisphere instance!? With M1 u can run more than you can handle 🍇🍉💪🥳🥁☕️
@@MattiasHolmgren Thanks Mattias, most probably I'll do a purchase! Keep up the good job 😁🦾😎
I am returning the mb14” and keeping the MacBook Air M1 with 16gb ram, love the portability and battery life of the air, the extras on the mbp are not worth it for my needs…
Totally know what you mean. I still use the M1 Pro 13” more than the M1 Max 14” wherever I go cause…perfect portable package on the M1 Pro 13”! Though I kept the M1 Max for heavy video editing and larger music projects in the studio. Merry xmas!🍿🎄☃️☕️
@@MattiasHolmgren thanks to you, I just ordered a belkin core dock to go with the MacBook Air, very simple and powerful setup.
I bought the maxed out Macbook Pro M1 Max with 64 GB RAM (10 CPU cores/32 GPU cores), and I have huge problems with Kontakt 6! I usually work in 32 buffer size on my Hackintosh, and have no problems there. But on my new "beast" of a Macbook Pro I get glitches in the sound with only ONE (!) instance of Kontakt 6?! Keyscape, Omnisphere and other brands don't have this problem, only Kontakt. It really doesn't seem very fast to me??? Does anyone else have this problem? I'm using the very latest updates: Monterey (12.1), Cubase (1.0.41) and Kontakt (6.1.1). I also testet it in the standalone app, and in Kontakt 5, with the same results. I know none of it has been written for ARM yet, but other people online rave about how great these computers are with Kontakt. But I get the exact opposite experience. Am I the only one?
Kontakt is not yet Native arm64 / fully M1 compstible. NI have made it compatible vis rosetta, but until we get a full native version its not gonna behave. Are you running Logic in Rosetta (compatible) mode or in pure Apple Silicon Mode? …. You can right click the Logic app and select ”get info”, there u can select which version to load. Try the other version… that is activate ”open in Rosetta mode” and see if u get better result until Ni provides a native build. Let me know how it turns out.
@@MattiasHolmgren Hi Mattias! Thanks for the quick reply! I’m testing on both Rosetta and Native version in Logic. And in Cubase, and as standalone. I was just wondering if any one else experienced the same as I: That you can’t play any library in Kontakt with 32 buffer size, in 48 KHz without any crackling. Which is weird for a computer that “powerful”. Right?
I have the money for the M1 PRO 16GB 512 but if its overkill for FL Studio I dont want to waste money. I don't want the M2 13 inch because its limited i/o. Any thoughts on the M2 Air with 8GB 256 vs M1 Pro 14inch 16gb 512. I would have to buy something like the belkin thunderbolt 3 making the £1249 more like £1600 with accessories. Because the 14 has built in HDMI all I need is cheap usb c to USB A hubs for my controllers - so can get the m1 pro for £1719 on Amazon - Is it worth upgrading from the Air to a 14 inch pro?
Hi Jamie, I always go for the Pro models. It will hold up longer since it also has 16 GB vs 8Gb internal mem. I definitely think it's worth the bump.
Good video! But it's not just that the M1 Max has 2 more cores. The M1 Max has double the performance cores (8 vs 4) and those cores are working the most in Logic Pro. For some reason Logic Pro X does not utilize the efficiency cores as well as Cubase or Reaper. But with more performance cores, you can do more complex and demanding projects in the long run.
I am more curious about the maximum ram amount. Does it makes sense to pay for 32gb or stay with the base 16gb and invest in a bigger ssd which will be used to store cache if there is not enough memory. A larger ssd has more write cycles before it dies and additional space to store libraries looks more important for music production to me. What do you think?
Yeah SSDs these days are super fast, insane bandwidth on these comps.I'd say 16GB is totally enough. I still do most work on the 8GB M1 because I really like the form factor, light package. M1 Max feels clunky for most of my work when I'm "on the go". ;) But in the studio it's the M1 Max. I'd say go for large SSD + external storage.
@@MattiasHolmgren thanks for the advice!
Adding that 8tb of Ssd is hurting the pockets, is it really necessary to customize with the 8tb add?
For anyone who is into film scoring with large orchestral kontakt libraries then M1 max 64 gb is the way to go! Coz you got 64g and then more Swap memory so bascially close to 100 gigs of ram (in the intel world)… and also the M1 max future proofs you in terms of Cpu power!
The M1 8 g is good but it will start having problems once you load up big Kontakt libraries and Synths together….
FOR POP MUSIC PRODUCTION only, m1 pro 32 g is enough :)
sorry for the late comment but i am looking to get into the mac space and im on a budget was wondering if the base model 13 in would be good for beginner to intermediate producing and engineering inside of logic pro looking to build a home studio wit a midi keyboard and a solo interface . would you recommend the base model ?
Yes the base model 13” M1 is totally fine for general music prod. What audio interface are you looking at?
@@MattiasHolmgren I have a Scarlett 2i2 third gen is that compatible ??
@@MattiasHolmgren scarlett 2i2 3rd gen
Hi everyone, I need a little advice..
I'm undecided if i should get the m1 air 16gb/512gb or the m1 pro 8 core 16gb/512gb.
I produce music a lot, I'd like to make an home studio and sometimes want to use this laptop for programming.
I could get the air (1400€) but the fact that the m1 pro 8 core (now 1960€ on amazon) costs only 500€ more to get all those features (display, 2 more performance cores, ports ecc).
Thanks !
Go for M1 pro its a great laptop! ☀️🥁
Thanks for this test. My MacBook Air M1 8GB ram is more than enough. :)
You are welcome. Oh yes, its a great machine!
I think it's incredible that the Air is doing the same work!
This proves the M1 Pro/M1 Max redundant because we can do so much work with the standard M1 processor.
I’ve got an M1 iMac 24” with 16GB RAM and I’ve gotta say it’s a dream! I’m running lots of channels with FX etc and it hasn’t panicked all! I paid £1k for it….. My only beef is that the SSD and RAM is soldered the the Logic Board, so if one fails, it’s new MLB time. Backups are now more important than ever! Great channel Mattias….
Thanks Nano, yeah the M1 tech is really great…except for that soldered parts which you at some point want to upgrade. But on the brighter side its easier than ever to get good performance external discs via TB / USB-C which is nice for larger storage. Happy to hear you enjoy my channel content Nano! Where from? What video / topic did you enjoy the most so far?
@@MattiasHolmgren Thanks for the info! I’m gonna check it out now. I did sense that you were involved with scores and soundtracks by your playing style and sound selections.
For me, so far; my favourite videos of yours have been the explanations of the Grid; I am a looooooooooooong time Ableton user and have made the jump to Bitwig - it’s really great thus far and the Grid is the thing that i’m loving as well as learning so that’s why.
I am from England btw 🤟🏼✌️😎
Thanks for the video! I'm still waiting to review your M1 Max on FL Studio. This video is great, but as I know FL uses only 50% of all CPU
Noted Kontrabandz, busy schedule over here. I'll try to do it as soon as possible. I ran a cinebench test against a really expensive PC laptop (Asus ROG Flow X13), we both had the laptops unplugged. M1 max got +12.233 points, the Asus X13 got 11.000 when running in Turbo mode. This is a pure cpu test. ;) But anyways. hehe....
This is the video we need. Not a video of 108 tracks of Alchemy playing a 5 note chord with Space Designer Reverb. 😂
I'm pretty impressed with the M1, it's pretty incredible that it's able to hold its on against it's bigger brother M1 Max. The M1 Max is just so tempting quite honestly, especially for all that raw power, I want to get it so I learn how to edit videos but the question will always be do I really need it? 😅
Perhaps you can help me. Do you think the M1 is capable of running a DAW, OBS, streaming to say YT/Twitch without breaking a sweat? Also does the M1 support 2 displays?
Hi Tony, on the first test video I did with the M1 I was running DAW + OBS without issues. It's a wonderful machine. To be honest I like the original M1 more than the M1 Max because it has a better form factor (for me), 13", lighter package...only downside is the 2 TB port limit (8GB might seem little, but it goes A LONG WAY). The M1 Max has 3 TB + dedicated mag-safe port so you don't have to use up a TB port just to charge the laptop, which is nice. You can edit videos on the original M1 just fine.
Original M1 does only support a single display by default...and the limited ports is a bit annoying too. ;) So if you need more external displays go with a M1 Pro. The Max is overkill for most work.
@@MattiasHolmgren Yeah, maybe getting the base M1 Pro will be enough for me, but geez is it expensive at least where I am. Anyways, great video as always!
Have you had any glitches or stops in what you have been doing? Or does all your software run fine?
i like the fit bro.. no cap
Thanks, 🍿
Amazing video, thanks man!
Would you recommend changing from my Macbook Pro i7 32GB Ram to a M1 machine?
Thanks man!
Hi Master, what year is that MBP i7 from? If you want a cool, modern and swift computer I would highly recommend on upgrading. The M1 is a powerhouse, but beware of the lack ports. The M1 Max obviously has more, but I find myseld needing to use a ton of usb hubs. But that's the usual with laptops... ;)
@@MattiasHolmgren thanks for the reply man. Ports is no issue, prefer dongles and have a solid machine.
M1 it is then! ☀️🥁☕️
Hey Mattias! I know i am late to the party, but what do you think about the new M2? Does it beat the M1 Max? Could you please reply
From what I can tell on the specs the new M2 is superior to M1, but not the M1 Max (and pro) the new M2 only comes as thr air model too so its very slimmed.
How about ableton? Have you done any tests on that? Thanks for the vid.
Not yet Lukas, but I plan on running Ableton 11.1 on it. I'm confident it will run just fine.
Man you are awesome!!!!, This is what I needed to know so far........... I am thinking to switch to Mac but I was confused due to M1 newer model . I thought I should go for Newer models M1 Pro and M1 Max but after watching this video, I am gonna stay with my original decision M1 Mac Mini, which is huge save. I typically never do much complicated project, Mostly 20 - 30 Tracks in my Fl studio. For that I think mac mini m1 itself is a overkill , am I right?. Thanks a lot Man, Please advice one thing...
Can I opt for 16GB 1tb or 16gb 512gb + external drive?? if buying external drive is good choice instead of putting money in internal what is the good external drive please suggest.
Thanks Remo! Original M1 8GB is an excellent package. If you don’t run mega large sample libs 512 GB for internal is enough. I always hook up external hds for larger libs anyway, but I like to keep omnisphere on internal disc so its with me anywhere I go. ☀️☕️
For external Hd i recently bought a Samsung 1TB SSD USB-C disc but they are a bit expensive. Byt SSDs are more reliable and less noisy compared to mechanical discs.
@@MattiasHolmgren Thanks Matt, for the reply. Okay sure just now checked , Is Samsung T7 touch 1 TB is good purchase? what do you think?
I really struggle with my top spec MacBook i9 2019 which I got just before M1 came out :( ... Bitwig is so temperamental, I really want to upgrade to M1 but dont want to have the same issues. I can open and run 15 Omnisphere no problem like you have but it seems its not as heavy as say Output arcade, Aurtiria synths, Diva etc. Have you tried stacking these within Bitwig like you did Omnisphere? Would massively appriciate any feedback if you have on heavier CPU vsts like the ones I mention? :)
Hey Chew, I'll make a video showcasing Diva running on M1 and M1 Max. ;)
@@MattiasHolmgren great thanks mate! If you could maybe add a combination of high cpu synths as well as diva that would be gold 👍🏻
Ill see what I can do, I do have a ton of demanding synths. ☀️
@@MattiasHolmgren thanks Mattias 👍🏻
Nice test! Thanks
Thanks Zeus! 🙏👍🥁☕️
Congratulations for videos and congratulations for music it's very beautiful music from Spain.
Its possible subtitles in Spanish in your videos. ? My English isn't very well but your videos very interesting.
Thanks
Ok, thank you Isaac! Yes I will translate my more successful videos. I used to translate every single video but I just don't have the time anymore to do it on every single video. Bear with me, I'll have it translated in a few days. Thanks for the kind feedback! Glad to hear you enjoy my little music pieces too!
The interesting test to do would be to have a few patches of an orchestral kontakt instrument
Oh yes, Kontakt, Play and orchestral projects are coming in some of my upcoming episodes.
@@MattiasHolmgren Yes! Pleeeeaaasssse do this test! This particular test with orchestral instruments will be really valued by our music production community. BTW: I LOVE your work! Thank you for all that you are doing for us!
As far is Iv heard native instruments doesn’t work well and isn’t native and glitchy . Same with other plugins that are popular
how many m1 max can keep this: vital, 5 notes chord, 3 saws 16 voices, max cpu oversampling (max quality plugin), 32 vioces in plugin.
ryzen 5900x can keep 36-37 tracks with this settings in reaper (48 kHz - 64 buffer)
Hi, Matt! did you shooting this video on Sony 6400 + Sigma 16mm 1.4?
Yes, but YT is probably not finished processing the 4K versions. It takes some time before it's fully crisp. What did you think? 🌞
I was using mostly the Sony a6600 + Sigma 16mm 1.4f. But also the Sony a6400 for additional shots. They are very similar, but the 6600 is slightly better. It has image stabilization.
@@MattiasHolmgren I think your videos has outstanding picture and content quality! I want to buy also Sony a7iii or Sony a6600 or Sony a7c and Sigma 16mm 1.4 and I want too make video blog about software development! But now I gave only Canon 650d + Zenitar M 50mm 1.7
@@PlayGameToday a poor broke guy with an 2017 iPhone Camera would just started uploading videos and already got more subscribers then you fantasizing about the the camera they need in order to start
Lol, luck + patience + hard work = luck boost. 😉
Great analysis, how about the heat? How much hot they got? Does the fans turned on?
In normal music operation the fans never turn on. ONly when editing / rendering my 4K videos.
Ok I have a question, will this laptop work with fl studio using m1pro instead of max ? Im trying to avoid using a windows laptop. I had a razer and the battery died within 30 mins 😓
Yes The M1 Pro is actually a better option (also cheaper) than the Max IMO. Max is more appropriate for gfx / video work. Battery AND heat is way better on the M1 overall (compared to any previous intel machine PC/MAC).
@@MattiasHolmgren thank you, this was very helpful
New video on MAC STUDIO M1 Ultra -> ruclips.net/video/F00xgdIxJAU/видео.html
Please let me know. Should I buy the mbp or a pc instead. I’m used to logic. I have saved up enough to afford either a solid pc or the mbp max. What would you prefer for music production? If I go ahead with pc I’ll have to learn another DAW all over again. That’s the problem
If you are already comfy with osx and Logic I would advice you continue in the same path. The 13” M1 8GB is a VERY priceworthy laptop. Just figure out how big projects you work with and if you need to connect to more than 1 external display. 14” only supports one extrnal display. ☀️☕️
If you don’t need portability, check out the M1 Mac Mini. Get as much ram as you can afford. If you can wait, next year there might be revisions on MacBook Air and Mac mini. Remember that we are in year one of a two year transition to apple silicon.
I have the 14” M1 Max and it’s a beast. The M1 Pro will serve you amazingly as well.
Logic Pro X is great. It’s optimized for the macs. No need to pay anytime there is a new upgrade. Even GarageBand is great and comes free with every mac.
Alright another option for the same price point. I went and saw the 27 inch iMac. Added to 32gb memory, 1tb storage. Will that be good for large projects? Or is the MacBook Pro max still the better option.
@@arfeen9741 That’s a great option too. I forgot about iMac. But get the M1 iMac. You are referring to the intel iMac. Don’t waste your money on those models. Those are being replaced by Apple Silicon. What’s large sessions for you? 100 tracks of audio and virtual instruments? The most unified ram the better for virtual instruments. There are videos of M1 pro and max performance of over 500 tracks. Nobody is doing anything like that unless you are audio production on a film.
These new computers can do more for less money. You will have an investment for years to come. Keep in mind that most virtual instruments, plug ins and daw are not native yet. However they do run smoothly using Rosetta 2. It means that it will get better in the months to come.
@@gios7752 hey! A large session max I feel like will be around 30-40 tracks. I just made songs. Record my guitar, bass and play midi. Then there’s vocal recordings. Different plug ins. That’s about it… guess I should go with these new laptops then? Cause I already have a monitor, keyboard mouse etc. I can just plug my laptop in that if I need a bigger screen? What do you think?
I like your video, but this one had me confused. Both MacBooks play the songs, then you say “we can see…” one is better than the other - but I don’t see any of the performance results. What are you talking about?
Look at the performance meters during playback, that's the "result". The M1 is jumping up a little in some cpu cores. While the M1 Max is more "steady" both computers behave nice and I'm very glad to see the lighter M1 still performs extremely good for a laptop even with more elaborate projects.
Great video babe!😘❤️🥳
Tackar baby! 🥳🍿❤️
Thx! That was helpful :)👍
Glad it helped!
Fan vad bra musik du gör, kan man få höra din musik officiellt nånstans? förlåt för dum fråga. :)
btw I'm going to buy a M1 Mac Mini to reboot my music-"career" /journey :D
Thanks, oh awesome. Yeah I release some music under my real name ”Mattias Holmgren” check Spotify I have several albums and singles released in various moods. I also release my more future bassy / glitch hop / melodic dubstep as GELHEIN. The links to Spotify are always in my video description details.
My bandcamp mattiasholmgren.bandcamp.com/
Gelhein open.spotify.com/artist/2xkX4x3kIyyPeIpmkz7Wrp?si=el0FEoezSa6PG9rzj_yOlA
Mattias Holmgren open.spotify.com/artist/4VsCeydD4SPuEA3tXsc9Sm?si=BPfo-At7QeeksRyvbq9emw
There are also a ton of metal albums I did during the 90s but its not as relevant. Lol 😂
Enjoy! And happy to inspire! Never too late to reboot the music making!!! 🥳🍿☕️☀️🥁
@@MattiasHolmgren I was born in 1985 so I'm def interested in your metalmusic as that was the music I made before losing my passion for music production. I've regained it, just haven't felt confident in the platform Im using atm or the DAW. I have 10-15 years experience with FL Studio. but I just suck at making any music now compared to my peak. I like being able to do All kinds of music genres.
but Im rusty as hell and I want to switch DAWs. Bitwig is what I searched for when I discovered your channel, since it's the only professional DAW(that's feature specd) and cross platform on Linux, Windows and Mac. Im pretty much a tabula rasa, a blank plate now skillwise. Im gonna try everything!
You make me proud of being a swede man!
@@MattiasHolmgren I love your original sound, def not heard anything like it before. I love fusion-based genres, a libre way of sounds. not locked down to anything, always evolving.
Thanks man, yeah I kinda came across every possible (and not possible) genre through the years composing for games, film and media projects. You have to become a cameleon because every project needs different sounds, vibes and genres. 😅🥳🎊☕️☀️
The native logic plugins certainly weigh much less than for example kontakt and its libraries these renderings should be done with third-party Virtual Instruments AND third-party plugins such as Waves or Universal audio to name a few it is clear that in this way the machine would it have a greater load and therefore much fewer traces should we establish how many fewer? Thanks for the video
Your Songs are realy cool!
Thanks Joe! Glad u like em.
I’m going to buy the 14 inch m1 pro with 1tb ssd and 32 gb of ram, because it’s almost the same price than the 16 inch in my country
Awesome, the M1 is a powerful tech! 🥳
I tested Omnisphere however for each track I have a multi with eight patches so a total of 24 tracks of multi
Yeah Issie, i will do even more extensive tests later. But as I mentioned in real life I don’t even go further than 6-7 instances. But with M1 only at 25% u can add MuCH more without issues. 😂🥳🍿☀️ bright days! Good to see ya!
What was your performance results with your ominisphere test Issie Wizzie?
Great video, thanks. On another note, what do you think of the M1 Max Mac Studio base model… for music production. Is it also overkill.
Yes, the Mac Studio (in all it's versions) is great for music prod. But yes, the gpu cores is gonna be overkill no matter what model you choose of the M1, M2 etc. ;) Thanks, happy to hear you enjoy my tech video!
@@MattiasHolmgren Got it thanks!
@@MattiasHolmgren Now, very close to purchase, I am thinking seriously about the M1 Mac Mini with 16 GB RAM. Any views? Esp. from the point of view of heavy duty music production. Thanks in advance.
I can only speak for the Mac Book Pros with Apple silicon. But the Mac Minis with M1 has the same CPU as the MBP so it should work wonders. From what Ive heard from happy MMimi M1 users too. 16Gb on the new tech is enough! So 👌🎉🥁😄
Which DAW do you favour by the way?
hi is 8GB RAM enough for Music Production in MacBook Pro 13 inch or should I upgrade and what about the air?
I would go for a Pro model with at least 16 GB today if I were you. But the 8 GB is just fine for general music prod. I never select an Air model myself although I think they suffice too.
@@MattiasHolmgren what about ThinkPads people say they are excellent machine's so can they used for music production
PCs use intel, intel get hot pretty fast and consume mlore power than M1 tech. M1 is the future.
Yeah for me right now I use 54g ram in large orchestral sessions, so I would need the M1 max! Thanks for the video!
You mean on a PC, right? You might be surprised that you don't need that on M1 architecture.
Is Antares auto tune running ok? It doesn’t officially support Monterey yet
I have all Spectrasonics instruments. All were working fine except Keyscape which was getting some crackles. I spoke to Spectrasonics tech support. They recommend 16 gbs for Keyscape and explained the samples are very large, Some more than 8gbs and therefore are overloading the ram on my M1, I tried changing some settings like using "Thinning" and that helps but not 100%. Also the new Spectrasonics instrument "Nylon guitar"is also overloading my M1 Mac-mini
Those are the only two that do. Sadly, they are my 2 favourites. I am trying a 16GB m1 this week.
It would seem that if a single core needs to load an instrument of more than 8 GB's the swap memory function can't handle it without crackles. That is my experience with Keyscape and Omnisphere (Nylon Guitar). The M1 Mac is amazing but because of this 8GB issue I can't use it the way I need to.
So, what you're saying it doesn't make sense to spend 3-4x more money to get 30-40% better performance. For most people and normal audio projects new Pro/Max MBPs are overkill.
Hi Artur. 😉 My conclusion is that the M1 Max is the same cpu as the M1 (with just additional cores) and like u see in my tests its almost the same performance. For the test projects the cpus hit around 25% on both machines. Summary: M1 gives you plenty of power for the cash. That said the extra TB ports are welcome on the M1 MAX. But it doesnt justify the price. I think the Max and Pro is more for video editors and 3d rendering graphics etc. The 8GB M1 never complained on low memory during the whole year of use for real life projects of all kinds. The discs are so fast you will never hit the limit in a real world scenario… ever. The larger display is nice, new keyboard is improved, loss of the touchbar is a pity (IMO 😂).
Overall Apple Silicon M1, Pro & Max is superb and I love the performance of this new tech. Arm64 for the win! 🍀
@@MattiasHolmgren True, I get all the other benefits of Pro/Max of course. But - as you suggest - I don't think they're worth the money unless you're professional photo/video/graphics person. If you're a musician, a base Pro will do just fine, if one really wants the new MBPs.
I really have to consider getting the last years MBP Pro 13'' :)
Yeah I looove the 13” MacBook Pro M1, the formfactor is just top notch. Light, powerful! ☀️🍿🥳☕️
good channel, nice and balanced
Thanks glad u enjoy my content Peter! Trevlig helg! ☀️☕️🍿
Just bought a 2017 Macbook Pro Non-touch bar on ebay last night for £580 (used) because I originally wanted the 16gb Macbook Air M1 but they were holding steady at £1000+ (used) but just now grabbed an 8gb Macbook Air M1 for £650 on ebay. Safe to say the 2017 Macbook Pro is going back for refund, thank god it has a 30 day return policy. Thanks for helping me decide on the 8gb for general music production
You are welcome Eric! Congrats on that new M1! 🥁☕️
What's about the MacBook Air M1, has it essentially the same performance as the macbook pro or does it thermal throttle?
from what i've seen the M1 Air is good, and will do all of the tasks but for safety the M1 Pro makes more sense.
I went for the M1 Pro 16 GB RAM and am really happy with it 😍
Congrats Nicholas! M1 16Gb is a great balance!
Best between M2 macbook Pro and M1 MacBook Pro
M2 Vivek, although I only have M1 Max and original M1. Any Apple Silicon will take you for a ride. 👍😄🥁
BEST comparison!
Thanks!
1) there is also the M1 Pro
2) headphone jack belongs on the left sude as most users are right-hand and the cable would be annoying there for Pros
Yeah ”headphone jack placement” is a weird design choice on some models.
As musicians you still need a USB port for all the devices like midi controllers so the new m1 with more ports is really not necessary.
Yes you need a USB hub whatever MBP you use, also to get more ports! But its welcome to have a dedicated magsafe charging port.
It's worth noting that the Thunderbolt ports that Mattias is pointing out in the video are also fully functional USB posts, for which you don't need a hub (you may need a USB-C adapter for the older USB-A/3 ports though), There are people who think that the new Macbooks have no USB ports, and that's not correct.
Hello! It would be nice to see how the M1 pro max handles CPU and RAM hungry plugins such as Acoustica Audios stuff, like Gold or Pink (The Neve and the API ). They play in their own sonic leauge if you ask me but the BIG downside is that they are heavy on the cpu and Ram because they are IR based plugins. Ive heard they run better on like Studio One compared to Logic though so that might be a coding issue, but they are ARM ready. / Peter
Max makes no sense for music production over the 10 core M1 Pro unless you are doing things other than Music like video editing, machine learning or photo grading.
Comparing the 10 core pro to the 10 core max reveals that the Pro is quieter for the same performance.
Yes, agree. for me (since I do plenty of video editing, and app/game dev) the choice was simple. The performance is insane for video editing / graphic heavy tasks. ☕️
Quieter? What’s making the noise ?
Quieter? What’s making the noise?
Thanks
Welcome Omni!
Bitwig is m1 ready itself. Can you please test Bitwig?
I am planning an upcoming Bitwig episode 👍☀️
Great !!!
Awesome!
Thank you...
You're welcome!
Thank you
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Men tack 🙏
excelente test!!!!
U are welcome!
Thnk you for your tests! Almost no difference for music production.I'm will stay on M1 with Touch Bar, rather than pay for Mac without touch controls.
Good choice! Yes, the M1 8GB is a wonderful machine. Perfect form/performance factor if you ask me! Yeah, too bad there are two camps, those who love / hate the touch bar. I kinda grew used to it and have used it for some applications like Logic, and with Samplr. ;) 🌞
@@MattiasHolmgren absolutely, it's strange that they didn't gave us a choise for those who use touchbar and who not. It's very useful in Logic actually☺️
the display on 14 so pleasant to work with
Oh yes, its perfect size and brilliant bright display with those nips! 😉🍿☀️
Can you do one of these but with flstudio?
Hi Luke, did you watch this episode? FL Studio on M1 Mac NATIVE + M1 Max Update 20.8.4
ruclips.net/video/sN1CfK_oUDs/видео.html
Wow thanks for comparison with the M1 , I was on the fence with which one to purchase, now I have a good idea on which one to buy.
I don’t overload tracks on studio one with my music production. The most tracks I use are around 15 tracks or maybe 20 at the most, I currently
Have a 2012 Mac mini i5 with 16gb ram and a 1tb ssd drive, but I’m having trouble with native instruments Kontact instances. Very cpu intensive instruments, so I’m hoping that the base m1 would solve this issue. I’m just going to get the base m1 8gb and buy a thunderbolt inclosure with a 2 tb mvme drive.Thanks again for the incredible comparison test, better than any I’ve seen on RUclips.
Thanks Rex. Yeah the base M1 8Gb is just an incredible powerful package. Especially if i grab an external 2TB Mvme. :) I mostly use the M1 all over the place because its more lightweight than the M1 Max. But I do most video editing on the M1 Max because more gfx power obviously. Good luck and let me know how u like it when u get it! 🥁☀️🦊
Hi, I got the M1 Mac mini , and it is amazing, no more problems with native instruments . The cpu usage is a lot lower even though native instruments is not optimized for Apple silicon
I can run a lot of serum instances on studio one. Thanks a billion for your helpful advice.
Hows the battery life difference?!
which one is better: a macbook m1 64gb with 2T ssd or a macbook m1 max 96gb with 1T?
Larissa, M1 Max is sick Ive been using it for about 2 years now daily for all my work. 💪🏆☕️
@@MattiasHolmgren 😍 but if you have to choose, which one would you buy? A 64gb with 2T or a 96gb with 1T?
@larissalisboa4318 max out 💪😄
@larissalisboa4318 seriously 16Gb is enough for internal memory.
@@MattiasHolmgren I have 16, but it is not enough for me 😭
GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, THANK YOU !!!
Thank you too Jeff!
Wow, the original M1 is killing it for the price. Thanks for doing actual real world stress tests! The typical 200 track logic tests on RUclips are meaningless.
Oh yes, it's the best bang for the buck laptop...ever! As long as you don't need to play games on it. ;) But for music production, video editing, blender3d, graphics design, app dev.... it's a wonderful machine!
Indeed, 411 audio tracks playing the same clip is not a real test. We all know that the SSD discs are super fast. Those tests are made by (influencers) who just want to be the first who post about the M1. Before the hard working musicians get their hands on the new units. 🤣
Real tests require you to load real song projects with different track setups, signal routings and plugin sets like you would do in a normal song production. Plus comparing the same projects running on previous gen.
@@MattiasHolmgren Keep up the good work!
@@MattiasHolmgren Well you can't even play proper games on the bigger machines. Always get a Windows for gaming. The screen got huge input lag..
@@MattiasHolmgren I beg to differ on the app dev, the limitation to just one external monitor is a severe one, and AFAIK Apple doesn't (yet) support eGPUs on Apple Silicon models. In fact M1Max only supports the third display through the HDMI port which is still pretty limiting (for some reason Apple never supported DisplayPort daisy chaining).
As i build DAWs, i find it very hard to explain to clients that having a shitload of the same track is a useless test, as in real projects you will usually be limited by single core performance. On paper, Xeon CPUs with dozen of cores seem great, but in real life even the 6 core i7 8700k beats them all.
Have you ever looked at the CPU usage when working with ProTools? It's usually a christmas tree shape with just 3 or 4 threads used to the max and some doing just nothing.
As the M1 all have the same single core performance, and the number of total cores is very similar, i think in real projects they will behave 90% the same.
It doesn’t necessary to buy the 14 inch with 32 GB, the original 14 inch 10 Core with 16 GB is enough for the most users 🧐
Yeah Chris, 16 GB takes u very far with this new tech. Not to be compared to the older intel gen when RAM memory was separated and not in the SoC package.
@@MattiasHolmgren I choose the new MacBook Pro, M1pro,16 inch, 512 GB SSD, that’s enough for my needs 👏👍🏻😜
Insane Chris ;) congrats!
i make tracks of 150 plus channels with macbook pro from 2012 with 8 gb of ram and much slower cpu ram and ssd and it works ok , the m1 with 16 gb is more then enough ! m1 pro and max are luxery for music production its not a nassacity in any way just like the imac , m1 by itself is crazy , just take enough storage for the kontakt libraries and 16 gb of ram and you will be ok
woher kommst du eigentlich bro? wenn ich fliege nach deutschland bin ich immer in die eifel, also beim nürburgring 🏁
ich hab mal ne frage.. warum nutzt man QWERTY und nicht QWERTZ? 🥺❤️
"qwertzy qwertzy über alles" 🎵😂
From Sweden, the northern parts of Sweden with elks, mooses and ice cold lakes. ;) I use the keyboard which is suitable for swedish language with å, ä ö. 🤣
That said, I've been to Germany many times for Game Conventions like Gamescom, GDC etc.
I think the 10 core 14gpu with 16gb and a 1tbssd is a better buy Than the New 13inch older first gem m1 cause you get more thunderbolt and hdmi also magsafe also better screen also better cpu as a base model and its only 400$ extra from the older first gen to the New one.
Only the extra ports i would pay that extra in order to avoid paying for dongles on the older.
Each dongle is like 50 bucks and i need 2 of them.
Also if you spec the 10 core 14gpu with the 32gb and 1tbssd its 1000 bucks more and its future proof for the next 5 years easy where as the older its only 16gb.
Just my 2 cents.
Really powerful that ‘M1 Max’
Oh yes indeed Jerry, especially for video editing and graphics applications. But the original M1 13” is also a powerhorse. ☀️☕️
@@MattiasHolmgren I’m thinking of upgrading … 🤔 Mac mini M1 16GB instead of my iMac i7 27” 32 GB.
Thanks
Setting the buffer to 32 or 64 is a much better way of stressing any computer for both recording and mixing. The lower the latency the better.
Hi! Oh yes, but audio interface is also vital when stress testing buffer sizes (low latency) so it's more of a "setup dependant" test.
M1 macbook air is blowing me away for music production. It is easy to get caught up in thinking you need the extra power. But I don't even think I have a use for that power. It becomes buying power for power's sake!
Yeah, the M1's are powerful laptops!
@@MattiasHolmgren what is the app you are using to display the processor usage. I see it on many RUclips videos, but can't find what it is. It is not the stock resource monitor
@Making WAVs do you mean the Logic cpu performance meter monitor? If you click that small arrow pointing down on the transport bar and set it to "custom" you can then double click the CPU bar and get an expanded view of the monitor. Is that the one? 😀
@@MattiasHolmgren Ah. Didn't realise it was logic based. I use reaper so, no go
Try 50 spitfire plug ins with all mic positions
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Thankyou for this review. I was wondering if it would make a difference for music production. Apparently not if you only use it for music production
You are welcome. Happy to hear u enjoy the review. Yeah, for music prod I see little diff between 10core M1 Max and 8 core M1. Obviously u will be able to load more plugins and samples with more RAM but 8GB M1 already handle a ton. I also noticed the two extra cores behave oddly sometimes (spiking) when activating all cores on M1 MAX. But works without spikes on M1. Its bot causing audible noise or anything. But I can clearly see the two last cores go high from time to time. Weird, probably some opimization / OS related issue.
@@MattiasHolmgren hmm sounds like it could be patched. I am thinking about getting the 16gb tho. I saw a different review where the 8gb wouldnt be enough when the ssd is almost full. So the performance would drop rapidly if you have 80% storage in use and the ram is also full.
Very important to note that the M1 Air will perform the same on audio projects, that is by far the best deal for audio production. New m1 pro and max are useless as you pay for features like screen and gpu that you will never need.
The M1 Max is indeed a better option for graphics and video work. While the regular M1 is an outstanding option for music prod. The M1 Air is also a great option.
What about m1 pro vs m1 Max in music production
M1 Pro give you a little bit more GPU power, cpu performance cores and more memory (16, or 32GB) than the regular M1. Between the two I still would recommend the regular M1... if you're not dying for a 14" or more mem.
@@MattiasHolmgren Do you think that this can handle Dolby Atmos Mixing with Logic? Because Dolby Atmos Mixing is there, the issue is that the CPU usage is much higher, but I wonder if the M1 pro or max would not cause the overload problem in Dolby atmos Mixing in Logic Pro
I am very happy with my Air 16/256 )))
Congrats Alex!
thats what i waiting for :) anyway i bought one m1 air several weeks ago, but still use my Asus laptop, couse im lasy man! and dont want to reinstall all my soft :) lol
Hey Alex, I know the feeling. I haven't even installed everything on this new M1 MAX yet either. lol. Takes forever to install all apps and remember what you need to have in there. Though I'm glad I got an additional portable SSD - Samsung 2TB T5 USB-C to host some more samples. Very rapid disc. ;) Congrats on the M1 Air!
I don’t see the point of upgrading my mbp pro m1 to newer MacBooks , waste of money
Original 13" M1 is a beast! Love the formfactor!
Haven't started viewing the video yet but let me take a wild guess and say the 32gb UM Macbook is going to win the contest. I think instead of all these silly and highly predictable tests and comparisons, there ought to be other videos explaining for example why a potential purchaser should spend their hard earned cash on internal SSD than say more RAM or CPU. In other words, how to future proof your Mac for the next say 5 years. Let us pls see more discussions about where Apple is going or likely to be going with Macbooks than boys showing off their newly acquired toys by posting them on RUclips.
Oh but let me hear your thoughts afger viewing the video! 😉☕️ Not predictable. 🥳
What Iv heard is soundtoys, native instruments, izotope, softube, anything with ilok is not native and not useable in many situations
Also, that compares to the intel versions the cpu usage is sometimes higher since it’s still using Rosetta
And what from I remember The i9 intel was still better than the original m1 chip bc of this I believe , idk about the Mac tho
Needs a good edit
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My biggest complain about the first gen M1 is that it only supports one display. Can't see my self using only one display for music production. However, the notch on M1 Max is beyond stupid.
Not sure if it helps, but the original M1 supports one external display. For instance, I have a 38" wide external monitor connected to my M1, and I can use the M1 monitor at the same time. It's quite a lot of real estate. If I wanted to, I could also extend the screen to an iPad, but I use the iPad for DAW remotes.