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What i really wonna see is 16" M1 PRO vs M1 max 24 GPU - battery life and all test comparison. Because M1 MAX 32 GPU already doesn't do that difference in power but in battery life less efficient. Gets hotter and louder.
Max Tech, please compare memory power draw in powermetrics for both machines (in idle and low/heavy load conditions). This is information a lot of people are waiting for, out of concern of battery life on the m1 Max. Would be really great !
I'm can't choose, between 16" M1 PRO 32/2T and 16" M1max 24 GPU 32/2T What i see is that 8 more gpu can eat some battery seriously. But how much exactly?
One thing most people forget is that one of the custom silicon blocks on the M1 is on-die compression/decompression, just like all of the video encoders. That and the fast SSD and the memory bandwidth really helps to make the most out of smaller memory footprints.
I mean, look: if you need 64GB of memory, it's not really for multitasking, it's because you need it for a single app with huge data. Until the application is really thrashing the swap, you can generally rely on the OS to take care of handling resources for you. That's the whole point. Apple's given itself a lot of headroom with the sheer speed of the RAM and cache, and SSDs now are pretty fast, so swapping something out in the background transparently isn't as hard as it used to be. But none of that really matters if you're buying a computer to last more than a year or two. If you can afford 64GB of memory and you plan to keep the machine for 4-5+ years, buy 64GB and never worry about whether you have enough RAM ever again.
This is what I was wondering…but I’ve been running 32GB for 5 years and even with a couple of VMs running plus video editing plus countless chrome tabs, I’ve rarely seen usage above 60% unless there’s a memory leak. If you can afford the extra $400, then by all means go for it. Otherwise IMO you will be totally fine for years to come with 32GB
@@ChristopheLimpalair -> "... Otherwise IMO you will be totally fine for years to come with 32GB... " - it's a tricky one because it would be easy for someone to tell you 5 years ago that 32GB was "too much" at the time of the purchase - same as now 64GB suppose to be "not needed". Also, I bet right now it's much much easier for you to give/sell the MacBook with 32GB onboard mem on it vs 16GB. The question is: will the mem hungry apps cease to advance in the next 5 years?
I’m sure the basic m1 can. I’ve run it on an amd 2700 with a 12 year old gpu. The ps is doing the heavy lifting not the Mac. That’s just taking the input from the capture card. So long as you have a decent capture card you will be fine. I’ve even run obs on an old sell ultra book i7 with 8gb ram.
As long as the CPU and GPU doesn’t throttle, and you have the mac plugged in, it will do just fine. The thermal management is so good and the chips are so powerful that you probably won’t be going above 50 to 60% of usage and it will just take all of that workload and give you perfect performance. You should be happy even with the base model 14in
This video is very flawed. I bought the 32gb because of this video and filled the ram very quickly using Lightroom and photoshop. I merged a bunch of HDRs and did more editing then got a full ram notification. Too late to return the computer.
What about panorama / high megapixels editing in lightroom and photoshop? ArtIsRight tested the 16GB vs 32GB and the performance difference is huge. Export time is just 10% of the workload, we spent most of the time on editing.
A huge part of using these machines is running additional external displays. I haven’t seen anyone add that element to any of their tests which seems odd to me.
cause no one is running these on multiple displays lmao, this is a very small use case you are in the minority. if someone using an external display its with the laptop closed and plugged in so its no difference
@@guynumber20 I mean, a 5k monitor is twice the pixel count of the 16” so not the same thing at all. Also I think anyone looking at needing the max is in the minority and more likely to be driving multiple monitors. There are literally dozens of performance videos on these laptops, can you actually not see the value of adding that element to a test?
@Water Jogger like I said you guys are in the minority lol, you think there’s a lot of you but this is a laptop no one’s going to spend this much money on a portable machine just to have it locked to a desktop with 7 displays ur nuts. Part of the reason it costs so much is because it’s portable if they were smart they would wait for the Mac mini in March.
Running my 14 inch max 32 64 2tb on a 4k asus pro art over TB and a viotek 1440p over the HDMI. My main workflow is on average 4k 8 channel multicam projects in davinci as well as mograph and simulations in blender and it doesnt break a sweat. Truly insane
I really think this obviously boils down to what you plan to use it for, I bought the 14 inch base model and I really love this machine, it’s by far my favorite Mac to date. I upgraded from a 16 inch MBP base model and I really thought I would be missing the sleek body and the Touch Bar and I really did like the Touch Bar (probably one of the few) But, I’m just blown away by how well it performs. I’ve gamed on it shadow of the tomb raider while also watching the new James Bond no time to die in 4k while also having 10 different windows up on safari and chrome for work and it didn’t miss a single beat! That would have NEVER happened on my 16 inch base model. Loving this machine!
I’d really like to see these tests with the MacBooks connected to external 4k and higher displays, to see if that introduces performance hits. Also screensharing.
this is what these guys don't ever test and my 2019 literally comes to a crawling hault with external display connection. Connect 1 to 2 external 4k monitors
Buy it nice or buy it twice. I'm doing premiere/lightroom/ae/pts w effects for the next 4, 5 years so Max 64gb is my choice. Thanks Max for your hard work.
It won't last you 5 years. I got the 64GB version and I use After Effects and I ran out of RAM on the first day. "Your system has ran out of application memory" because After Effects was using 57GB of RAM just from my normal workflow. I can only imagine what I'll need in 5 years.
You guys have given us indepth reviews on this Macs and am well educated. Thanks for this education hoping to win this Giveaway for Africa cos we are always left out thanks Max for expanding it to other countries.
Africa being left out and having internet access to post such comment, explain if you don't mind. I wonder what ppl should say in Afganistan, Honduras, Syria, Armenia, Iraq and so many other places about being left out, they won't because they don't have luxuries African life to post such comments. Stop crying wolf Africans. Smh.
Truth doesn't care. Based on what you said you are entitled to receive things for free because you think Africa is oppressed. You probably know that other places have it worse: clean water, safety, and having internet is a dream to post comments like you, but unfortunately you are playing the crying wolf card, the victim card, which is bad. Your choice to do better.
@@thesun5382 You're just rude. No one is diminishing any other place in the world. Nobody said they are entitled to anything. They simply said they were happy to be included. They are showing gratitude, not playing the victim card (in fact, YOU are playing the victim card). Have respect for Africa just like Kofi has respect for wherever you live.
In my workflow in Logic I max out the RAM by loading sampled instruments (the entire symphony orchestra) where each instrument could take 1GB. I’m glad Apple offers 64GB!
Seriously and I even returned the 32GB model for the 64… I think I would have preferred better battery life even if it meant memory pressure with my workflow.
Great comparison - it seems that 32GB is a good enough workhorse - you can always use the saved money from upgrading to 64GB to get more storage (to absorb the swapped memory) - eg. buy 2TB storage instead of 1TB and keep 200-300GB storage free. Another video idea - test the battery life in both the 14" and 16" models at *low performance mode* and have a _looped_ "office" type workflow or movie watching to see how close it would match the M1 Air / M1 13" MacBook Pro models. That way, you can test to see if the 14" model is close to the M1 models, but has a better screen, faster SSD etc.
Picture-in-Picture showing the Activity Monitor for each machine would be great, so we can watch the memory activity. But nonetheless an awesome test and video!
I feel a bit annoyed that you don't test them both until they start lagging or stuttering, you always cut off the video right at the limit of what 32gb can handle making it seem like 32gb is the best choice (you did the same thing with the 16gb video as well). You should have done more things like hooking up external displays, opening 100, 150, 200 more tabs in the background, not just 30 tabs... I wanted to see the breaking point of the 32gb. Also alot of programs you used is optimised for the Mac so ram use is minimal. Also using 14" against 16" is just too much of variable, you shouldn't have uploaded and done this test until your 16" 64gb came in.
Wouldn't getting a 64 gig essentially be future-proofing your mac for 5-10 years? That's how I look at it! I'm a new Apple person, and I'm getting ready to buy my first MacBook as I only have the iPhone. My issue is I'm just starting to get into videography and some photography, so I struggle on whether I should get a 16, 32 or 64 gig, and most of all the chip as well. I definitely don't want the 16" as I value portability the most. I've seen some test with the Pro/Max chip, but ultimately I have no idea where I should go in terms of setup and someone that is new to the MacBook game and more specifically new to video/photography.
@@templarpsi i'm a cinematographer and also take photos as a hobby, and if i were you, i would grab the m1 max with 32gb, it should be plenty for you... I say that because i bought a mac mini m1 this year with 256/16gb ram and it handles everything that i need, including 6k raw. Also, the m1 max is great because you have two "chips" for encoding and decoding while the m1 pro have only one, so this is far more important than the 32 or 64gb option.
@@templarpsi these are “Pro” machines and most genuine professionals will be buying new machines every 3 years or so anyway because they get depreciated down to zero value typically over 3 years. At that point you can buy the machine from your business and either sell it or repurpose it in some other way. Also, if you are making a living out of using one of these machines then it’s easy to justify renewing after 3 years because the productivity increase of a newer, faster machine can directly increase revenues. Also, since Applecare+ typically covers 3 years, it’s reassuring to get a new machine with a fresh warranty. I think you can continue Applecare beyond 3 years now though. In my case, I’m a software developer and run two 5k displays plus the laptop display from my 2019 Intel i9 maxxed out MBP. My fans are spinning hard all day long and the machine is always hot and quite noisy. Normally I upgrade every 3 years but this year I’m pulling the trigger a year early because it will significantly improve my productivity and also quality of life due to the reduced fan noise. I’ve never measured it but I estimate that I spend maybe 15 minutes of every day waiting on my machine to complete some sort of task, whether it be running a test suite or copying large files etc. If I can save those 15 mins every day, that equates to 60 hours a year or 180 hours every three years. Even at £20/hour you could justify a new £3600 machine every three years on that basis…
@@user-ry8dr4uo9o unfortunately you’re missing the point completely… They have zero asset value to the *business* after 3 years because that is the depreciation rate often chosen for computer assets. At that point the business might choose to “write off” the computer and sell it on for zero value, or some other amount which more fairly reflects the value. What the new owner does with the machine after that is up to them. Please don’t take the above as accounting advice since I’m not an accountant but I have been running my own software business for over 10 years and have replaced my primary computer more or less every 3 years.
Boys if you are writing music for media and playing with huge orchestral libraries do yourself a favor and just get the 64gb. 👍 I maxed out my 32Gb really fast.
@@foreheadgod14 I got the M1 Max 16” 32 Core GPU, 64GB & 1TB SSD. Sadly BH will be delivering by end of DEC. However I did get a $200 discount on the $3899
I used to "know" that my Macs needed 32 until I was forced by my M1 Pro to go down to 16. I do think there were occasions where 32 would have made a difference, but those might have been once every 2-3 weeks (my work requires pretty extreme multitasking). I could definitely continue living with just 16, although I went back up to 32 just for those unusual occasions where I have 40 different projects open. It's amazing how good macOS is at managing RAM; I'm also a PC builder and I also use PCs for work, and I basically find that whatever the amount of RAM I need on the Mac, I double for the PC and that works out OK.
When I first thought about upgrading from my 15" 2015 MacBook Pro, I wanted to get 32 GB, mostly for it to actually be an upgrade. However, I don't think RAM has been a bottleneck in any way in this one year of using the M1 MBA 16 GB. I wouldn't recommend going for 8 GB even for casual users, but at least right now I don't think non-professionals need anything above 16 GB. I'm so freaking happy about my M1 MBA even now that, while I can appreciate the performance of the new devices, I have no desire to upgrade anytime soon. (However, I would definitely be interested in getting a lighter device with the same performance. Maybe someday...)
@@stefandesu Get real. 8GB on an M1 MBA is perfectly fine for a vast majority of regular 'casual' ultrabook users. Unified memory with Apple Silicon is a different thing. Besides, you've been using a 16GB M1 MBA version instead of an 8GB version so you don't even really know how capable that version is is. This coming from someone who uses a PC everyday with 64GB RAM and also the cheapest M1 MBA.
@@Mamo878 Yeah, you might be right about that. However, if you can afford it I'd still recommend getting 16, even if it's just for future-proofing. That thing is going to last many years (at least that's what I'm hoping for lol).
Good video, but you did forget resolve and premiere that uses a lot of ram. You also forgot after effects and even Resolve’s fusion. Final cut is optimized for the system so ram wouldn’t be much of an issue. This would have made this test more effective.
Unpopular opinion incoming... I’m going with 64GB of RAM, even though I know I unequivocally don’t need it today... it’s not like I was on the fence, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that 32GB would’ve been plenty for me.. TODAY. However, with the outrageous performance and capabilities of these machines, developers will take advantage of that and I fully expect that the 64GB will pay for itself in terms of performance within two years. If I’m wrong, I’ll still have a great machine with no regrets. Just one mans opinion! Either way, thanks for this awesome and extremely informative video, and congrats to all of you who are fortunate enough to get your hands on one of these magnificent machines.
There is one major flaw in this comparison: Shame for all the time you put in these tests but comparing the 14 inch with the 16 inch version doesn’t make a lot of sense. It has been shown many times now that’s a 14 inch version does throttle so it’s impossible to properly differentiate this here because you don’t compare the same models!
Love this channel and maybe I’m completely wrong. But as a Lightroom user I don’t think you’re doing the correct test. I find the biggest bog down is when I’m the develop module and using the brush/masking on several images. As I get further into my edit it slows down. Isn’t the export more cpu related? I think testing the brush in many images and seeing if lag occurs might be a better Lightroom test. Then again what do I know. Just saying.
To anyone watching, keep in mind if you don't like closing chrome/safari tabs and leaving a lot of tabs open in the background then 32gb will slow down and lag your macbook much faster. In this video he only had 30 tabs open. I often have hundreds of tabs open in the background and they chew through ram like crazy, making other applications lag like crazy.
@@pattybergproductions2625 Everyone has different use case and habits. I am just reminding people who like to open a lot of tabs in safari/chrome to take this video as a grain of salt.
Thanks, i also have hundreds of tabs open. Just upgraded from 8 to 32 GB RAM after 10 years. Had massive performance issues, but hope they are gine even with "just" 32 GB.
You need to stop comparing these machines using tasks that have hardware acceleration. Export something to anything that isn’t h.264, h.265 or prores. Use DNXHR or something else. The hardware acceleration on these encoders will be unaffected by memory, cpu, memory or even SSD.
You could also use Resolve and take 4K footage and superscale it 4X and then export to 8K not-prores. That will bring them to their knees. Same thing with super resolution with 40-50MP images. Or create a new 200MP image and super resolution them. It will be a much tougher test.
I generally keep my computer for 7-10 years. b/c it makes more sense to me to max out at he purchase and then not need to upgrade everything every couple of years.
Haha. Yes! Someone else out there alike! Still have a 2013 model…needs a new battery now and some keys need to be replaced. So upgrading to these will be a dream!
I went with the 14" 10/16 with 32 gb memory and 2 tb ssd storage. I did the in between because I never go max as I never need it and I never go low. I am psychotic like that. Pro works fine for FCP.
Thanks so much. I will definitely be going for 64gb. I am cutting it real close with 32gb so it's not worth the risk, also 64gb will help more in the future when applications become more ram hungry. The only reason I'm upgrading my current Macbook is because the 32gb is not enough, I can feel the lag/stuttering when ram is full and it's a painful experience.
The question I'm most curious about is, how much do you need to restrict the cpu performance of the 14" 10 core M1 pro by to get similar battery life and fan rpms as the 16" base model. Thanks!
One of the reasons I want to buy the 64GB M1 Max MacBook is because I want to run flight simulators such as X-Plane and Microsoft Flight Simulator (on Windows ARM). I wonder if the 64GB is better than the 32GB in terms of performance.
Well, since I didn't win the giveaway lol I went ahead and ordered a 16" with 32GB of RAM. I'm glad you put out this video because I was concerned on whether I made the correct decision. I upgraded to the MAX processor but the binned 24 version and went with a 2TB drive. With my military discount it ended up still being a whopping $3500.....it will take awhile for it to pay for itself lol
Thank you for all the comparison videos. You've put in a lot of work for us and have helped me out. I think the 14" base model will be perfect for photo editing and light video rendering. Thanks again!
I haven't seen anyone really testing these machines on RUclips running external displays. I don't worry so much about if it would affect RAM use but I definitely do worry if driving external displays all day will make the fans ramp up to loud levels. That's always been one of the worst things about Intel MacBook Pros... so it would be nice to know if this problem is solved.
Smart choice. The new CPU is so powerful that saving a bit of money going for the lower CPU and putting that into the RAM is a better choice if budget is an issue.
The thing about RAM is that you don't need it until you need it. A solid Mac is a five-to-six-year machine - easy. I'm still rocking a fully pimped 2017 MacBook Pro. Maxing out your RAM (no pun intended) is not a bad idea as sysreqs on popular titles could creep up on you. And there is no "upgrading" when the machine starts to feel sluggish three years into your five-year timeline. And let's be honest, as a RUclipsr, you're way more likely to ditch this unit in a year or two when Apple replaces it with a new spec. It makes sense for you to be as economical as you can be based on your turnover. If you can swing it, get 64 and sleep better because you've got the headroom. You'll also get a better trade-in value if you're a platform loyalist who doesn't think about jumping ship every time a competitor adds half of a core to their latest offering.
Do big companies really good to go and spend this much money for max ed up model, recent reports were told uber and twitter giving maxed out models lets see what it really had under sleeves
I knew going into this video 99% that for my needs the 32GB should do me fine for some years. Now I'm getting curious about 16GB...well, I forget now if that is even an option with the Pro Max (which I just barely "need" and have decided on, though probably just the 24-core GPU version much more than OK for me).
Thanks man! I was debating whether 64gb would be worth it for me, but considering the first 5 min is pretty much how I run my day (yes, with 30 chrome tabs open, haha) and 32GB ran without sweat, this saves me a cool $400, haha.
I think this was the most exciting review everyone was waiting for! Your reviews are unprecedented and unparalleled! What big companies claim about their products are tested "in ideal and controlled environments" as they clearly mention in their small prints and disclaimers! But guys like you put theses high profile machines into real life and hard tests to see actual performances versus official claims issued by companies!
it is beautiful, I ran one on m1 max 64gb ram, the fans hit fuckin hard ia 14 inch model but nonetheless delivers, bear in mind is a laptop friend, a tower has always better cooling for obvious reason.
Looks like there aren't many tasks there that can test the performance capacity of the 64GB model. It's like owning a Ferrari in a city where you are not allowed to drive any faster than 40 miles an hour.
As someone who has 64 gb of ram in my 2019 27” iMac and regularly my ram usage is around 50gb the extra money for the ram is my only real option. Plus I generally keep my machines for 6 to 8 years it also provides longevity.
"6 to 8 years?" Now that's a real rocknrolla. I tap out between 5 and 6 yrs and I typically max everything out if I can. I think M1 architecture will remain backwards compatible as this is the beginning of the lifecycle. Going from a 2017 fully speced out MBP to the same with M1 Max.
I was like ”Great how i can just get 32Gigs!” Until you said about hollywood level 3D rendering in Blender… well that’s exactly what i do… (okay not hollywood level tho)
You tested them mostly in sequence and hese tests are unusual to happen daily so that's incredible But there are these massive projects peopme have once in a while. So please test simultaneously renders and benchmarks: Having an 8k project playing + an after effects with a ton of effects + applying edits on Lightroom + having a 4k/8k RUclips video open on the side. I just wanna know the limits of this machine because I'm gonna keep this for 10 years. I wanna see it crash 😂
When the "mac mini pro" finally comes out with the M1 Max processor I may still go for 64GB of RAM. I do drawings at 10,000px by 10,000px with a ton of layers in Photoshop once in a while. I feel "safe" to have more headroom.
@@Cryo837 because it's based on the m1 but more powerful. It's like the A14 and A12X (or A12Z which is even more powerful) on iPads. A12Z is a more powerful A12. It has more cores than the A14. It does not have some new things added but is more powerful than the newer A14.
@@Cryo837 It's only 3 Chips, dude. M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max. If you can't memorize just these 3 names, I'm sure you don't have enough brain power to use all of these chips effectively and efficiently on these machines. So, you don't need that.
I think exporting 579 GB 4K footage would be way faster if other programs were closed! Because in ideal and normal situations we barely export that video with other heavy stuff running in background. ✌️
Insane!! Can't believe how well it runs on 32GBs! Thanks for doing this benchmark! I use Adobe After Effects, not sure if you would want to do a benchmark test difference between the 32GB and 64GB in AE with playback and render times.
You are constatly mistaking megabits with megabytes. The memory bandwidth has incresed 10 times. So on i9 we had 4GB/s, on M1 is 7GB/s on M1 Pro is 20GB/s and on M1 Max this is 40GB/s. I have simplified calculations by dividing with 10 instead of 8 (one byte is 8 bits).
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What i really wonna see is 16" M1 PRO vs M1 max 24 GPU - battery life and all test comparison.
Because M1 MAX 32 GPU already doesn't do that difference in power but in battery life less efficient.
Gets hotter and louder.
Max Tech, please compare memory power draw in powermetrics for both machines (in idle and low/heavy load conditions). This is information a lot of people are waiting for, out of concern of battery life on the m1 Max. Would be really great !
I'm can't choose, between 16" M1 PRO 32/2T and 16" M1max 24 GPU 32/2T
What i see is that 8 more gpu can eat some battery seriously.
But how much exactly?
This is the video I was expecting for! thanks, looks like 32 for me.
Thanks for the comprehensive review.
You guys should summarise all the videos in the launch week and show stats in tabular format or a nice visual format!!
It would be good to also see the 24 core against the 16 core 14”. That will show which is the first one they throttle
Honestly the 14inch M1 Pro with 32GB RAM Seems like a good purchase.
How do you think they make money lol
@@antoniomayers1655 As is the 16 inch
Nah, comparative reviews until Christmas.
Max from Max Tech, taking bout M1 Max, comparing 2 Mac’s. 🤯
One thing most people forget is that one of the custom silicon blocks on the M1 is on-die compression/decompression, just like all of the video encoders. That and the fast SSD and the memory bandwidth really helps to make the most out of smaller memory footprints.
I mean, look: if you need 64GB of memory, it's not really for multitasking, it's because you need it for a single app with huge data. Until the application is really thrashing the swap, you can generally rely on the OS to take care of handling resources for you. That's the whole point. Apple's given itself a lot of headroom with the sheer speed of the RAM and cache, and SSDs now are pretty fast, so swapping something out in the background transparently isn't as hard as it used to be.
But none of that really matters if you're buying a computer to last more than a year or two. If you can afford 64GB of memory and you plan to keep the machine for 4-5+ years, buy 64GB and never worry about whether you have enough RAM ever again.
exactly! Set it and forget it.
well said, thank you
Exactly my thoughts...I still use my mid 2012 retina MacBook Pro. I'm going with the 64gb in hopes of it doing right by me for about 10 years.
This is what I was wondering…but I’ve been running 32GB for 5 years and even with a couple of VMs running plus video editing plus countless chrome tabs, I’ve rarely seen usage above 60% unless there’s a memory leak. If you can afford the extra $400, then by all means go for it. Otherwise IMO you will be totally fine for years to come with 32GB
@@ChristopheLimpalair -> "... Otherwise IMO you will be totally fine for years to come with 32GB... " - it's a tricky one because it would be easy for someone to tell you 5 years ago that 32GB was "too much" at the time of the purchase - same as now 64GB suppose to be "not needed". Also, I bet right now it's much much easier for you to give/sell the MacBook with 32GB onboard mem on it vs 16GB.
The question is: will the mem hungry apps cease to advance in the next 5 years?
This makes me wonder if the 32GB can handle recording PS5 video on OBS for 8-24 hours in a row with little to no frame drops.
I'm pretty sure the base model 14" can with no problems. So no doubt that higher spec models can.
Can’t wait to start streaming in December with my MAX
It has to be a pretty poor recording software if it requires that much memory to record video. The recording should go pretty much straight to disc.
I’m sure the basic m1 can. I’ve run it on an amd 2700 with a 12 year old gpu. The ps is doing the heavy lifting not the Mac. That’s just taking the input from the capture card. So long as you have a decent capture card you will be fine. I’ve even run obs on an old sell ultra book i7 with 8gb ram.
As long as the CPU and GPU doesn’t throttle, and you have the mac plugged in, it will do just fine. The thermal management is so good and the chips are so powerful that you probably won’t be going above 50 to 60% of usage and it will just take all of that workload and give you perfect performance. You should be happy even with the base model 14in
This video is very flawed. I bought the 32gb because of this video and filled the ram very quickly using Lightroom and photoshop. I merged a bunch of HDRs and did more editing then got a full ram notification. Too late to return the computer.
What about panorama / high megapixels editing in lightroom and photoshop? ArtIsRight tested the 16GB vs 32GB and the performance difference is huge. Export time is just 10% of the workload, we spent most of the time on editing.
waiting for the 24core GPU one!
A huge part of using these machines is running additional external displays. I haven’t seen anyone add that element to any of their tests which seems odd to me.
cause no one is running these on multiple displays lmao, this is a very small use case you are in the minority. if someone using an external display its with the laptop closed and plugged in so its no difference
@@guynumber20 I mean, a 5k monitor is twice the pixel count of the 16” so not the same thing at all. Also I think anyone looking at needing the max is in the minority and more likely to be driving multiple monitors. There are literally dozens of performance videos on these laptops, can you actually not see the value of adding that element to a test?
@Water Jogger like I said you guys are in the minority lol, you think there’s a lot of you but this is a laptop no one’s going to spend this much money on a portable machine just to have it locked to a desktop with 7 displays ur nuts. Part of the reason it costs so much is because it’s portable if they were smart they would wait for the Mac mini in March.
@@guynumber20 actually from business perspective its preferred. Can just move workstation home. And people are WAY more productive with 2 monitors
Running my 14 inch max 32 64 2tb on a 4k asus pro art over TB and a viotek 1440p over the HDMI. My main workflow is on average 4k 8 channel multicam projects in davinci as well as mograph and simulations in blender and it doesnt break a sweat. Truly insane
Can you do a video on external displays especially for those that plan on buying the 14 inch macbook pro.
Good job! Thanks for going to that extreme effort to show what those laptops could handle when filling up their RAM.
I really think this obviously boils down to what you plan to use it for, I bought the 14 inch base model and I really love this machine, it’s by far my favorite Mac to date. I upgraded from a 16 inch MBP base model and I really thought I would be missing the sleek body and the Touch Bar and I really did like the Touch Bar (probably one of the few) But, I’m just blown away by how well it performs. I’ve gamed on it shadow of the tomb raider while also watching the new James Bond no time to die in 4k while also having 10 different windows up on safari and chrome for work and it didn’t miss a single beat! That would have NEVER happened on my 16 inch base model. Loving this machine!
I’d really like to see these tests with the MacBooks connected to external 4k and higher displays, to see if that introduces performance hits. Also screensharing.
this is what these guys don't ever test and my 2019 literally comes to a crawling hault with external display connection. Connect 1 to 2 external 4k monitors
Buy it nice or buy it twice. I'm doing premiere/lightroom/ae/pts w effects for the next 4, 5 years so Max 64gb is my choice. Thanks Max for your hard work.
It won't last you 5 years. I got the 64GB version and I use After Effects and I ran out of RAM on the first day. "Your system has ran out of application memory" because After Effects was using 57GB of RAM just from my normal workflow. I can only imagine what I'll need in 5 years.
16" M1 Pro 16 GPU VS M1 MAX 24 GPU full performance test, battery life and comparison pls Max
This is what I’m waiting for
Consider for future test using Logic Pro with Kontakt instrument libraries and RAM will make a difference.
I want a MAXed out M1 MAX from MAX Tech with a drawing of MAX on it saying "...aaaand BAM!!"
An extensive test that I was waiting to see.Good job guys!
You guys have given us indepth reviews on this Macs and am well educated. Thanks for this education hoping to win this Giveaway for Africa cos we are always left out thanks Max for expanding it to other countries.
Africa being left out and having internet access to post such comment, explain if you don't mind. I wonder what ppl should say in Afganistan, Honduras, Syria, Armenia, Iraq and so many other places about being left out, they won't because they don't have luxuries African life to post such comments. Stop crying wolf Africans. Smh.
Thanks anyways everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. But am shocked u guys are attacking me for speaking for Africa 🌍
Truth doesn't care. Based on what you said you are entitled to receive things for free because you think Africa is oppressed. You probably know that other places have it worse: clean water, safety, and having internet is a dream to post comments like you, but unfortunately you are playing the crying wolf card, the victim card, which is bad. Your choice to do better.
@@thesun5382 You're just rude. No one is diminishing any other place in the world. Nobody said they are entitled to anything. They simply said they were happy to be included. They are showing gratitude, not playing the victim card (in fact, YOU are playing the victim card). Have respect for Africa just like Kofi has respect for wherever you live.
Am speaking for my self let the other countries speak for themselves Y are attacking me
These break downs are so great
In my workflow in Logic I max out the RAM by loading sampled instruments (the entire symphony orchestra) where each instrument could take 1GB. I’m glad Apple offers 64GB!
Thanks for making me regret getting 64 gigs… 😅 love the content guys!
Seriously and I even returned the 32GB model for the 64… I think I would have preferred better battery life even if it meant memory pressure with my workflow.
You really should do a complete battery test for light use (netflix RUclips web browsing light gaming like LoL). 14 Pro and max/16 pro and Max.
Give the ppl what they want
Great comparison - it seems that 32GB is a good enough workhorse - you can always use the saved money from upgrading to 64GB to get more storage (to absorb the swapped memory) - eg. buy 2TB storage instead of 1TB and keep 200-300GB storage free.
Another video idea - test the battery life in both the 14" and 16" models at *low performance mode* and have a _looped_ "office" type workflow or movie watching to see how close it would match the M1 Air / M1 13" MacBook Pro models. That way, you can test to see if the 14" model is close to the M1 models, but has a better screen, faster SSD etc.
You need to pull all out all of the BAMs for this. 🤣
I thought we don’t need 32GB and 16GB is enough. Now it’s 32GB that’s perfect for 99% of us ^^
I would love to see RAM tests with 4K After Effects projects with lots of effects. My PC (3950X, 2070super, 128GB RAM) struggles with that.
Picture-in-Picture showing the Activity Monitor for each machine would be great, so we can watch the memory activity. But nonetheless an awesome test and video!
I feel a bit annoyed that you don't test them both until they start lagging or stuttering, you always cut off the video right at the limit of what 32gb can handle making it seem like 32gb is the best choice (you did the same thing with the 16gb video as well). You should have done more things like hooking up external displays, opening 100, 150, 200 more tabs in the background, not just 30 tabs... I wanted to see the breaking point of the 32gb. Also alot of programs you used is optimised for the Mac so ram use is minimal. Also using 14" against 16" is just too much of variable, you shouldn't have uploaded and done this test until your 16" 64gb came in.
Wouldn't getting a 64 gig essentially be future-proofing your mac for 5-10 years? That's how I look at it! I'm a new Apple person, and I'm getting ready to buy my first MacBook as I only have the iPhone. My issue is I'm just starting to get into videography and some photography, so I struggle on whether I should get a 16, 32 or 64 gig, and most of all the chip as well. I definitely don't want the 16" as I value portability the most. I've seen some test with the Pro/Max chip, but ultimately I have no idea where I should go in terms of setup and someone that is new to the MacBook game and more specifically new to video/photography.
@@templarpsi not at all. Save the money and upgrade earlier.
@@templarpsi i'm a cinematographer and also take photos as a hobby, and if i were you, i would grab the m1 max with 32gb, it should be plenty for you... I say that because i bought a mac mini m1 this year with 256/16gb ram and it handles everything that i need, including 6k raw.
Also, the m1 max is great because you have two "chips" for encoding and decoding while the m1 pro have only one, so this is far more important than the 32 or 64gb option.
@@templarpsi these are “Pro” machines and most genuine professionals will be buying new machines every 3 years or so anyway because they get depreciated down to zero value typically over 3 years. At that point you can buy the machine from your business and either sell it or repurpose it in some other way.
Also, if you are making a living out of using one of these machines then it’s easy to justify renewing after 3 years because the productivity increase of a newer, faster machine can directly increase revenues. Also, since Applecare+ typically covers 3 years, it’s reassuring to get a new machine with a fresh warranty. I think you can continue Applecare beyond 3 years now though.
In my case, I’m a software developer and run two 5k displays plus the laptop display from my 2019 Intel i9 maxxed out MBP. My fans are spinning hard all day long and the machine is always hot and quite noisy. Normally I upgrade every 3 years but this year I’m pulling the trigger a year early because it will significantly improve my productivity and also quality of life due to the reduced fan noise.
I’ve never measured it but I estimate that I spend maybe 15 minutes of every day waiting on my machine to complete some sort of task, whether it be running a test suite or copying large files etc. If I can save those 15 mins every day, that equates to 60 hours a year or 180 hours every three years. Even at £20/hour you could justify a new £3600 machine every three years on that basis…
@@user-ry8dr4uo9o unfortunately you’re missing the point completely…
They have zero asset value to the *business* after 3 years because that is the depreciation rate often chosen for computer assets. At that point the business might choose to “write off” the computer and sell it on for zero value, or some other amount which more fairly reflects the value. What the new owner does with the machine after that is up to them.
Please don’t take the above as accounting advice since I’m not an accountant but I have been running my own software business for over 10 years and have replaced my primary computer more or less every 3 years.
This is the one, the video I have been waiting for! Thank you!
More ram is good with me lol
Holy moly, did not expect that!
🚨🚨!!NERD🤓ALERT!!🚨🚨 But for real, your videos are the most helpful, by far!!! Thanks for all your hard work!
Boys if you are writing music for media and playing with huge orchestral libraries do yourself a favor and just get the 64gb. 👍 I maxed out my 32Gb really fast.
damn the performance of the 32 gig is 🔥. Can’t wait for my 16 inch M1 Max 32GB MacBook Pro!
I’m hyped for the 64gb. Both are really good but I video edit and I need a lot of effects.
You are a naive person period
@@foreheadgod14 I got the M1 Max 16” 32 Core GPU, 64GB & 1TB SSD.
Sadly BH will be delivering by end of DEC. However I did get a $200 discount on the $3899
@@---sg9zj are you sure? In 5 years it will be your worst nightmare
@@---sg9zj most apple products get seven years update
I sit down to watch a show or something while I eat my dinner and this channel has been the only one running here for the past 5 days
If anyone needs the 64gb ram, I would question your OCD behaviors more than your workflow 😂
Pro audio will utilize a lot of ram. You need to load sample based instruments. Orchestral mockups.
I used to "know" that my Macs needed 32 until I was forced by my M1 Pro to go down to 16. I do think there were occasions where 32 would have made a difference, but those might have been once every 2-3 weeks (my work requires pretty extreme multitasking). I could definitely continue living with just 16, although I went back up to 32 just for those unusual occasions where I have 40 different projects open. It's amazing how good macOS is at managing RAM; I'm also a PC builder and I also use PCs for work, and I basically find that whatever the amount of RAM I need on the Mac, I double for the PC and that works out OK.
When I first thought about upgrading from my 15" 2015 MacBook Pro, I wanted to get 32 GB, mostly for it to actually be an upgrade. However, I don't think RAM has been a bottleneck in any way in this one year of using the M1 MBA 16 GB. I wouldn't recommend going for 8 GB even for casual users, but at least right now I don't think non-professionals need anything above 16 GB. I'm so freaking happy about my M1 MBA even now that, while I can appreciate the performance of the new devices, I have no desire to upgrade anytime soon. (However, I would definitely be interested in getting a lighter device with the same performance. Maybe someday...)
@@stefandesu the M1 MBA is probably objectively (all things considered, including price), the best laptop in the world even now
@@elenchus Totally agree!
@@stefandesu
Get real. 8GB on an M1 MBA is perfectly fine for a vast majority of regular 'casual' ultrabook users. Unified memory with Apple Silicon is a different thing. Besides, you've been using a 16GB M1 MBA version instead of an 8GB version so you don't even really know how capable that version is is.
This coming from someone who uses a PC everyday with 64GB RAM and also the cheapest M1 MBA.
@@Mamo878 Yeah, you might be right about that. However, if you can afford it I'd still recommend getting 16, even if it's just for future-proofing. That thing is going to last many years (at least that's what I'm hoping for lol).
thanks. this was very helpful
Good video, but you did forget resolve and premiere that uses a lot of ram. You also forgot after effects and even Resolve’s fusion. Final cut is optimized for the system so ram wouldn’t be much of an issue. This would have made this test more effective.
Was waiting for this test. Thanks! I also agree, though. I'd like to see a test with Premiere and Resolve. Pretty please ;)
This is what I’ve been waiting for Thank You!
It would be interesting to see this same test redone with 16G vs. 32G. Thanks!
They did that on benchmark testings etc. Unfortunately, not as much real-world testing.
I don't think I have ever seen so many videos on Macbook Pro 🤣 Love it
Unpopular opinion incoming... I’m going with 64GB of RAM, even though I know I unequivocally don’t need it today... it’s not like I was on the fence, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that 32GB would’ve been plenty for me.. TODAY.
However, with the outrageous performance and capabilities of these machines, developers will take advantage of that and I fully expect that the 64GB will pay for itself in terms of performance within two years. If I’m wrong, I’ll still have a great machine with no regrets. Just one mans opinion!
Either way, thanks for this awesome and extremely informative video, and congrats to all of you who are fortunate enough to get your hands on one of these magnificent machines.
Thank you so much for the effort of the comparisons!
There is one major flaw in this comparison:
Shame for all the time you put in these tests but comparing the 14 inch with the 16 inch version doesn’t make a lot of sense. It has been shown many times now that’s a 14 inch version does throttle so it’s impossible to properly differentiate this here because you don’t compare the same models!
Thanks for all these comparisons
Thank you, Max! This video helped me a lot to decide that I don't really need 64GB for what I do daily, which is mostly music production.
Love this channel and maybe I’m completely wrong. But as a Lightroom user I don’t think you’re doing the correct test. I find the biggest bog down is when I’m the develop module and using the brush/masking on several images. As I get further into my edit it slows down. Isn’t the export more cpu related? I think testing the brush in many images and seeing if lag occurs might be a better Lightroom test. Then again what do I know. Just saying.
To anyone watching, keep in mind if you don't like closing chrome/safari tabs and leaving a lot of tabs open in the background then 32gb will slow down and lag your macbook much faster. In this video he only had 30 tabs open. I often have hundreds of tabs open in the background and they chew through ram like crazy, making other applications lag like crazy.
@@pattybergproductions2625 Everyone has different use case and habits. I am just reminding people who like to open a lot of tabs in safari/chrome to take this video as a grain of salt.
Thanks, i also have hundreds of tabs open. Just upgraded from 8 to 32 GB RAM after 10 years. Had massive performance issues, but hope they are gine even with "just" 32 GB.
You need to stop comparing these machines using tasks that have hardware acceleration. Export something to anything that isn’t h.264, h.265 or prores. Use DNXHR or something else. The hardware acceleration on these encoders will be unaffected by memory, cpu, memory or even SSD.
You could also use Resolve and take 4K footage and superscale it 4X and then export to 8K not-prores. That will bring them to their knees. Same thing with super resolution with 40-50MP images. Or create a new 200MP image and super resolution them. It will be a much tougher test.
I generally keep my computer for 7-10 years. b/c it makes more sense to me to max out at he purchase and then not need to upgrade everything every couple of years.
Haha. Yes! Someone else out there alike! Still have a 2013 model…needs a new battery now and some keys need to be replaced. So upgrading to these will be a dream!
Yeah I also have a late 2013 15'', and prefer to get a top model and keep it for as long as it lasts and is useable! Great value this way!
Best comparison vids out there!
I went with the 14" 10/16 with 32 gb memory and 2 tb ssd storage. I did the in between because I never go max as I never need it and I never go low. I am psychotic like that. Pro works fine for FCP.
Are you sure the difference was due to RAM capacity and not due to power / thermal limitations on the smaller 14 inch?
Fantastic testing! I am amazed at the performance of these MacBooks!
Thanks so much. I will definitely be going for 64gb. I am cutting it real close with 32gb so it's not worth the risk, also 64gb will help more in the future when applications become more ram hungry. The only reason I'm upgrading my current Macbook is because the 32gb is not enough, I can feel the lag/stuttering when ram is full and it's a painful experience.
@@Evermore2017 so someone call OPUS Digital Audio don’t have money, broke boy
you must not be talking about the m1
Very Helpful. You're changing my mind. Love this.
The question I'm most curious about is, how much do you need to restrict the cpu performance of the 14" 10 core M1 pro by to get similar battery life and fan rpms as the 16" base model. Thanks!
One of the reasons I want to buy the 64GB M1 Max MacBook is because I want to run flight simulators such as X-Plane and Microsoft Flight Simulator (on Windows ARM). I wonder if the 64GB is better than the 32GB in terms of performance.
Well, since I didn't win the giveaway lol I went ahead and ordered a 16" with 32GB of RAM. I'm glad you put out this video because I was concerned on whether I made the correct decision. I upgraded to the MAX processor but the binned 24 version and went with a 2TB drive. With my military discount it ended up still being a whopping $3500.....it will take awhile for it to pay for itself lol
Thank you for all the comparison videos. You've put in a lot of work for us and have helped me out. I think the 14" base model will be perfect for photo editing and light video rendering. Thanks again!
How do external displays affect RAM usage?
I’m wondering the same thing.
a lot, especially with high resolution, still easily handled by this machines.
I haven't seen anyone really testing these machines on RUclips running external displays. I don't worry so much about if it would affect RAM use but I definitely do worry if driving external displays all day will make the fans ramp up to loud levels. That's always been one of the worst things about Intel MacBook Pros... so it would be nice to know if this problem is solved.
thanks been waiting for this 1 !
You guys are in beast mode🔥🔥
Your welcome! I tried to push these as much as possible!
@@MaxTechOfficial bro is there a video coming of maxed out m1 macbook pro m1 chi vs the base m1 max/pro
@@vadish8304 there’s already a video for M1 Pro
Been waiting for this one.
I think 3D artists with heavy scenes and the new after effects mult rendering will benefit from the 64gb ram.
Very excellent one...really very useful one for me.
32 gb!!!!!!!! Value for money
My final verdict is that i don't need any of these insanely fast machines as I'm fine with the m1 MacBook.
I went with the 64GB version and the 24 Core GPU on the 14”. Best Setup Ever! 💯👍💪
Smart choice. The new CPU is so powerful that saving a bit of money going for the lower CPU and putting that into the RAM is a better choice if budget is an issue.
@@JustStarcraft2 Exactly! The M1 Mac Mini only had 8 Cores, so going up to the 24 Core was already a big jump for major improvements. 👍💪
@@---sg9zj I think it is too. The 32GB is a great choice as well, things should be very smooth and fast.
Thanks for the test!
The thing about RAM is that you don't need it until you need it. A solid Mac is a five-to-six-year machine - easy. I'm still rocking a fully pimped 2017 MacBook Pro. Maxing out your RAM (no pun intended) is not a bad idea as sysreqs on popular titles could creep up on you.
And there is no "upgrading" when the machine starts to feel sluggish three years into your five-year timeline.
And let's be honest, as a RUclipsr, you're way more likely to ditch this unit in a year or two when Apple replaces it with a new spec. It makes sense for you to be as economical as you can be based on your turnover.
If you can swing it, get 64 and sleep better because you've got the headroom. You'll also get a better trade-in value if you're a platform loyalist who doesn't think about jumping ship every time a competitor adds half of a core to their latest offering.
Answered all the questions I had + more..... Great video! Thx so much!!!
You might consider getting Capture One for ram use tests. That program uses a ton of ram. I had it using almost 50GB ram on my 64GB Mac max this week.
Do big companies really good to go and spend this much money for max ed up model, recent reports were told uber and twitter giving maxed out models lets see what it really had under sleeves
I knew going into this video 99% that for my needs the 32GB should do me fine for some years. Now I'm getting curious about 16GB...well, I forget now if that is even an option with the Pro Max (which I just barely "need" and have decided on, though probably just the 24-core GPU version much more than OK for me).
Get 32 if you are into games
Have you tried using Macs fan control to max out the fans and keep both machines cooler? Cause the fans only seem to be halfway to full speed
these laptops are mind-blowing!
Max Tech, with all your tests on the new macbook, we can make really enlightening purchase decision, thank! 👍
we want the 24-core comparison!
Yes!!
awesome this is what i was waiting for!
Thanks man! I was debating whether 64gb would be worth it for me, but considering the first 5 min is pretty much how I run my day (yes, with 30 chrome tabs open, haha) and 32GB ran without sweat, this saves me a cool $400, haha.
Awesome video! Thank you…
I think this was the most exciting review everyone was waiting for!
Your reviews are unprecedented and unparalleled!
What big companies claim about their products are tested "in ideal and controlled environments" as they clearly mention in their small prints and disclaimers!
But guys like you put theses high profile machines into real life and hard tests to see actual performances versus official claims issued by companies!
Is there battery life comparison between 64GB and 32GB RAM buried somewhere in the video?
Failed to find it in Timestamps.
Would external monitors change these results noticeably?
No
Thanks for the comparisons. It would be even more helpful if you were able to test these machines using Premiere and AE.
I would love to see the performance on training a large neural network. 64gb of GPU memory would be sooooooo nice
it is beautiful, I ran one on m1 max 64gb ram, the fans hit fuckin hard ia 14 inch model but nonetheless delivers, bear in mind is a laptop friend, a tower has always better cooling for obvious reason.
Looks like there aren't many tasks there that can test the performance capacity of the 64GB model. It's like owning a Ferrari in a city where you are not allowed to drive any faster than 40 miles an hour.
As someone who has 64 gb of ram in my 2019 27” iMac and regularly my ram usage is around 50gb the extra money for the ram is my only real option. Plus I generally keep my machines for 6 to 8 years it also provides longevity.
Yes, exactly! Product longevity FTW.
"6 to 8 years?" Now that's a real rocknrolla. I tap out between 5 and 6 yrs and I typically max everything out if I can. I think M1 architecture will remain backwards compatible as this is the beginning of the lifecycle. Going from a 2017 fully speced out MBP to the same with M1 Max.
I was like ”Great how i can just get 32Gigs!” Until you said about hollywood level 3D rendering in Blender… well that’s exactly what i do… (okay not hollywood level tho)
You tested them mostly in sequence and hese tests are unusual to happen daily so that's incredible But there are these massive projects peopme have once in a while. So please test simultaneously renders and benchmarks:
Having an 8k project playing + an after effects with a ton of effects + applying edits on Lightroom + having a 4k/8k RUclips video open on the side.
I just wanna know the limits of this machine because I'm gonna keep this for 10 years. I wanna see it crash 😂
Thanks for the video Max, it's very helpful. Wish to see MBP in Parallel in depth test
When the "mac mini pro" finally comes out with the M1 Max processor I may still go for 64GB of RAM. I do drawings at 10,000px by 10,000px with a ton of layers in Photoshop once in a while. I feel "safe" to have more headroom.
@@Cryo837 It's Apple's version of Core i3, i5, and i7 (Intel's naming scheme).
@@Cryo837 because it's based on the m1 but more powerful. It's like the A14 and A12X (or A12Z which is even more powerful) on iPads. A12Z is a more powerful A12. It has more cores than the A14. It does not have some new things added but is more powerful than the newer A14.
@@Cryo837 It's only 3 Chips, dude. M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max. If you can't memorize just these 3 names, I'm sure you don't have enough brain power to use all of these chips effectively and efficiently on these machines. So, you don't need that.
More is usually better, but only up to a point. I just worked on a 4000x4000 photoshop file that has 165 layers and it worked fine on a 8gb M1 Air ☺️
I think exporting 579 GB 4K footage would be way faster if other programs were closed! Because in ideal and normal situations we barely export that video with other heavy stuff running in background. ✌️
Insane!! Can't believe how well it runs on 32GBs! Thanks for doing this benchmark! I use Adobe After Effects, not sure if you would want to do a benchmark test difference between the 32GB and 64GB in AE with playback and render times.
Same here! I watched disappointing ae tests on youtube and I wonder if the 64gigs mode make any difference. If no then I will probably go for a PC.
So I’ve read that because ae is cpu based, the unified memory won’t make a difference.
You are constatly mistaking megabits with megabytes. The memory bandwidth has incresed 10 times. So on i9 we had 4GB/s, on M1 is 7GB/s on M1 Pro is 20GB/s and on M1 Max this is 40GB/s. I have simplified calculations by dividing with 10 instead of 8 (one byte is 8 bits).