Have to agree regarding the Skoda/Volkswagen. Selling our Tiguan ahead of the end of the new car warranty expiring next year. Already had gearbox issues covered under warranty.
I think this channel is the most important for me amongst all channels world wide. No body wants to talk about the secondary market except you. I wish you guys all the best!
I own a Peugeot 5008 and my brother a Skoda Kodiak, and other than a few little things that have popped up and been quickly addressed we haven't had any issues. I wonder how many of these issues are a result of design/manufacture vs owners not properly maintaining and looking after the vehicle.
Allot of people still buy them lol........there is a certain car yard in QLD that must have all the used Captiva's in the Country and every week they find new unsuspecting Customers
@@dalesmith4985i wonder what in the world of “parts swapping catastrophe” is going on it that car yard!?"… and how they come across enough non-self destructed transmissions to keep the others on the road!.
Owned a 5008 1.6 THP. The high pressure fuel pump packed up at 40k mileage 3 months after warranty ended. No help from Peugeot. Valve cover started leaking, had to have it replaced and not just the gasket. Next was the heater core. Sold the POS and bought a GL Mercedes. Wow, even worse. Don't buy American built Mercs
You should look into Toyota and Mazda if I can chime in. I heard somewhere they're both excellent. I'd stick to 2012 and earlier for the former and 2015 and later for the latter. If you really want to buy "American" there are plenty of crap 2020s Toyotas still being assembled here as we speak. Or you could always just buy Ford because it says Ford. This is trolling btw, for those not privy.
Join the club that has learnt their lesson in buying anything not named toyota/lexus or honda. Even other good makes like hyundai/kia, mazda, subaru has some stinkers in their lineup that are just as bad as euro garbage so you really need to know what youre doing if you own these brands. (mazda & diesels, subies and CVTs + head gaskets in older models, select hyundai/kia models and model years)
Hey, I do have a Jeep Commander and few of the owners I know also love them … mine is 3.0L V6 Diesel and has done more than 300,000kms and it’s awesome. It’s absolutely fantastic offroad with Quadra Drive II with front and rear slip differential which still beasts most new 4x4s.
We have a diesel Santa Fe for 9 years. Trouble free and a good car. It's done just over 200,000kms now so a new one is on the cards, but in the form of a Kia Sorento due to Hyundai ditching diesels plus the look of the new Santa Fe just isn't to our liking. Thanks for your awesome content!
I have a 2016 Pathfinder since new. 130k on the clock and I was unaware about the CVT issues until this video. Damn. No issues so far, touch wood it stays that way!
Yea, we live in Europe and mpvs are dying here. VW touran is dead, ford galaxy, seat Alhambra. All dead. It sucks, I hate driving a 7 seat suv. I will never ever go off road. Why do I need such big tires and soich ground clearance? It's just silly You guys got any suggestions for a 7 seater? I would consider an estate too.
@@Orvietayes, but they haven’t redesigned it since 2016 and they killing it in the end of this year. I love that car. I had a 2016 one. But it’s getting really dated because vw abandoned it
Great vid as always. Was waiting for Journey / Freemont to come up. Good to see my comments were taken on board. I totally get where you’re coming from (especially once factoring that there are variants of these that are actually pretty reliable) regarding support and availability (as with anything stellantis). Regarding depreciation, to be fair these were actually stupid cheap when they were new. They’ve also depreciated to the point where they’ve already pretty much bottomed out. So for the very small amount of money they’re worth now they are actually superb value. AND a cracking good little 7 seater car. Ok, so hear me out on this: yes a Toyota is going to be more reliable on the same basis, but that’s barely a fair comparison. You can get an absolutely pristine one of these with the 3.6 perfectly maintained with bugger all kms on the clock for the price of a roughly equivalent Toyota that has been treated like crap and 300,000+kms on the clock. While the Toyota is inherently a bit more reliable, it’s not an equal comparison. Additionally to that, they aren’t really an SUV either. They’re more like a mini-van. So they get a lot of the cool / interesting stuff of those types of cars, rather than the pointless SUV type. We’ve had ours as a family load lugger for 3 years. Reversing camera acts up (probably a faulty earth) and that’s literally it. Bang for buck with these is insane and for that I reckon these are in the ‘most underrated’ section, rather than ‘worst’ section. Ain’t no way they’re in the same category as the Craptiva!!!
H6 is a 5 seater. And aside from depreciation issue, they're a damn good car. Did a 5000km road trip to Darwin and back without an issue. Super comfy, loads of room, excellent fuel efficiency. Just an all round great car
The dealer I worked for sold a used Commander. It was everything you said here. Came back to us after a month or two crippled and the parts took months and months to get. I felt bad for the customer.
I find European car manufacturers make the best vehicles in terms of design, packaging, driving dynamics, safety and economy. But, the use of cheap materials in areas such as water pumps, inlet manifolds, belt and chain tensioners, fuel pumps and just about anything they can get away with making out of plastic is becoming criminal. European vehicles are not badly engineered, they have had deliberate cost cutting material choices made to increase profit margins per unit sold, they know exactly what they are doing. If one manufacturer starts this practice the others have to follow suit to remain competitive, and so the cost cutting continues to serve the never ending shareholder dividend culture that has consumed Western manufacturing values and quality. Shareholder dividend king culture has destroyed the credibility of so many once brilliant Western manufacturers such as Boeing aircraft (a sad saga to watch), Mercedes, VW and many others. Also when it comes to terrible European vehicle electronics, most are made in China, Taiwan and other Asian countries? So why do the Japanese not suffer the same issues as they likely use the same 3rd party suppliers?? It comes down to the European customer asking the 3rd party electronics provider to build the electronic components to a certain standard. If they want cheap cheap per unit then the quality of assembly down to PCB quality, semi conductor quality, cleanliness of assembly and before and after QC checks will be far less. The customer has to pay more for higher quality assembly process, not all electronics are designed to the same exacting standards, a toaster or microwave is not manufactured to the same standard as avionics or military grade PCBs in missiles or oil field equipment. So the reason for crap electronics in Euro vehicles is not really down to the Asian suppliers either, it is down to the level of quality and therefore price requested by the customer, ask for crap, get crap. Electronics have a globaly recognised standard set by a body called IPC, who have a set globalised standard for electronic assembly depending on application and use. Vehicles should be around same quality as avionics for ECUs in my opinion as severe accidents could be caused by poor quality electronic when vehicle is in operation. You can bet your bottom dollar the vehicle manufacturing industry would be up in arms if they were strong armed into better electronic quality standards by law/legislation it would hugely dent shareholder returns.
Was suprised to see Peugeot on the list yet not Citroën, Subaru or Audi though I suspect Audi might be in the luxury forbies video. I'm waiting to reserve my choice for 7 seat forbie I'd drive till after the luxury list but 2 that I'd avoid like the plague are the Craptiva and anything Chinese made especially after seeing the problems that have occurred with the locally sold cars in China. By what margin were you outvoted on the Toureg and Kodiaq by mate? Interesting video today guys and as per usual I look forward to next week's videos as always and keep up the good work 👍
I have been driving mazda cx9 for 13 years now. No issues at all except driver side window motor replacement. Reliable,durable and best things is size 5.1meter long can load anyting.
I’ve owned several VW’s and it’s exactly for this reason I bought a new RAV4 last year. Even within the warrantee they were trouble and the service was sh*t. And if you need a seven seater, Toyota has a Highlander, Sienna and a Landcruiser in the showroom as well 😉
I'd probably get a Mitsubishi Outlander ES next. Simple is best. I currently have a 2015 Nissan Note (CVT) with 90K mi. Faultless. I DO have the fluids changed on time--oil @5K and CVT@30K.
Again a very informative video. Could you please also make a video on used Ford cars (Focus, Escape), Renault (Koles), Skoda (Koraq) and Sabaru SUVs. These SUVs are available for less than 25k AUD in used market.
I had a Skodiaq. Honestly a great car on its own. Decided to sell after only a couple of years of owning. Holy dooly the depreciation. One of the worst financial decisions of my life :(
@@Grudobolja When the Kodiaq came out, Skoda had not been a brand that really existed in the Australian consciousness. Also European brands in general depreciate heavily here.
Curious to know why the CX-9 from 2006 -2012 didnt find its way on this list? I have seen so many of these well under 10k and often wondered why they are so cheap and from new people couldnt get enough of them.
I may be wrong but I believe these years had the same bad quality water pump that Ford used in their models as well. I would have gotten an older CX-9 if I didn't haul my famiy. About the only Mazda I never owned. It has a V6 and that's my guess as to why us Americans were sporting hard-ons for it. Many 2016+ Mazda owners have written rave reviews about their car but most of the new generations have lost its soul and guts. I cherish my 12 RAV and 15 CX-5 everyday 🌺🌻 edit: I should add that I have the sleeper RAV with the 3.5 2GR and I miss the late 2000s very very deeply
I have a friend with a Captiva I'm scared to ask how it is going. If I wanted 7 seats an Elgrand would be my choice then buy a cheap MX5 or 86 to drive
I'm sad the Kodiak is on this list too, but I agree with your points. Great to drive and loaded with features, but I wouldn't want to own any VAG product outside of factory warranty. Edit: I own an Octavia RS wagon and love it! Skoda's tend to be more reliable than the Volkswagens in my experience, but I would still want to get rid of mine once the 7 year warranty ends.
@@Sha-AyoExactly. That's one of the reasons why. For you guys in Europe, it's easier to own, maintain and repair them even after warranty runs out. For us outside of Europe, that is a big hurdle unless one is monied well enough to cater for all those expenses and depreciation.
Should do a full review on the R51 Pathfinder. Everything attached to the car can fail. My car had engine replaced due to timing chain, radiator, turbo and transmission just to name the big ones. Could be a fun video. Oh and also the paint is shit.
If you need a 7 seater or want to sit up high commanding a 2.5t landship just buy a van like a vw t5/t6. Parts are readily available and cheap. Best of all depreciation is minimal as they are in high demand throughout all of their lifetime.
@@kadiocalc Thats strange, here in europe theyre basically one of the most common cars on the road. Used basically everywhere for hauling families and goods. We had t4s since the start of 90s; whereas most cars of that age are long gone, theyre still around. Had a t5 for 13 years as family hauler and now another t6. No worries, low maintenance. 😇
CX-9 or CX-8 are a better option, same with any Toyota 7 seater. Wouldn’t touch any Chinese car, as they seem to suffer major rust issues and long term reliability is still questionable, despite them improving over the years. It’s like early Kia’s and Hyundai cars, lots of bang for your buck, but poor quality and handling. But look where they are now.
Sadly, I drove a Captiva, or as we affectionately named it, The Crap-tiva. Thankfully it was a company car and I could hand the keys back after a few years.
Disappointing news about the new Jeep Grand Cherokee, that was high on my list. Sounds like it will need a few revisions to get the bugs worked out. I'll pass on being a beta tester for them.
I know a a poor bastard that bought one of these along with a Cruze for Himself and the better half when he got his Super. They are both in his driveway waiting for new wiper mechanisms.
Shame to see Holden on this list, although I wholeheartedly agree. Holden should’ve never rebadged Daewoos because they were junk. Holden should’ve merged with Pontiac because both were hot rod brands with a better reputation than Daewoo. But anyway, RIP Holden.
@@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCarsPontiac was torn away from Holden because GM wanted to kill Pontiac. But Pontiac was a success with the Holden partnership, and Holden was profitable with being able to export Aussie made muscle cars globally through Pontiac. We all know how it went, and it went well till GM killed Pontiac, which indirectly killed Holden.
With the Globally made cars I've found that the cars made in The US seems to have QA issues, for some odd reason, weird factory defects that only happen in yhe US. The Volkswagen do need a proper maintenance, and proper driving technique (I.e don't let the car roll without pushing any pedal, the amount of times it can happen in a traffic jam is insane and it overheats the gear). But yeah, most people don't properly maintain their cars so you end up with problems, very serious problems. About the French one: I've heard the 1.6 is actually fine now, but the 1.2 was quite a flop before they've figured out that the timing belt is disintegrationg into the oil system and clogs it, these engines now have a 10 years warranty in France, which will hopefully spread to the rest of the world... Also: ONLY USE THE OIL WRITTEN BY THE MANUFACTURER, THE FRENCH CARS AREN'T FORGIVING FOR ANY TRANSGRESSIONS IN THIS CASE. Nice video, love your channel.
The problem with these types of reviews is the evidence is competely anecdotal. Having one owner have a bad experience is a pretty 'unreliable' basis to have an informed opinion. I would find it more useful if the channel quoted survey results.
The basis for the research we use across the entire channel takes information for several sources. Forums, owner surveys, specialist mechanics etc. We also have the experience of our mechanic, Jim, who has been a mechanic for 30 years
I’ve got both a Land Cruiser and a Range Rover and admittedly the LC is rock solid but, touch wood, the RR hasn’t had half as many issues as the forums would lead you to believe. Find a decent specialist and do routine maintenance yourself and it’s a great car.
Yes any Toyota. I wholeheartedly co-sign. Except the ones with the 2.4, the ones with more recalls than seats, the ones assembled in Mexico, and the ones made since the pandemic. Other than these you're good to go 👍
what is the point of a 7 seater SUV? Get a people mover. Better design, more space, and good after sales service. You didn't mention the lack of support for the VW and Skoda (personal experience).
Also, just on the Commander: yes they’re crap. Well, sort of crap. Mostly I would not recommend for someone that wants a 7 seat SUV. But their big point of differentiation is that they are a properly good off roader. They also look a lot bigger than they are. Lastly, on the ‘Jeep thing’ and general Jeep fans, most of them are Wrangler fans. Which aren’t without their faults, but they are a pretty unique vehicle. They’ll usually put up with the shit because there really isn’t anything else like them. The rest of their catalogue is extremely meh to downright woeful.
An article reflective of how poor journalism has become. If you’re going to bag a brand make sure your facts are correct. Haval H6 is not a 7 seater. You are confusing the old H9, now not even sold, with your images of the new H6 5 seater. The ladder rail Prado re-skinned as the H9 was actually an ok car. I have the new H6 5 SEATER hybrid and it has given 90,000km of faultless driving. It’s way more powerful, better specced, more refined and quieter, is more modern inside and rides more comfortably than its Korean and Japanese rivals, is backed by a comprehensive 10 year warranty, roadside, fixed services, and as per comments from a panel beater “built like a tank”. Oh and is 20-30k cheaper and more spacious. And used models are holding very good resale….the Chinese are coming and they undoubtedly have quality products (and crap ones) to rival even the euro stuff. That Australian journalists are so one eyed is a disservice to Australian consumers because the likes of Hyundai and Nissan etc are going to get left behind. Take a good look at the value of the new Tank 500 7 seater for instance.
Oh dear thanks again Adam - yes I saved my sister when she arrived home after borrowing a large Holden Craptiva and loved it so I warned her not to touch one with a barge pole given their US designed and built in Mexico - even worse is the smaller one built by Daewoo in South Korea - thank goodness she bought a hybrid RAV which has never missed a beat along with a good service centre culture - just noticed that there were 26000 MG suvs sold here in Australia 2023 which means 26000 drivers will eventually learn how bad they are once the electronic dash and associated driver electrics start failing and rust appears all over - I would happily be proven wrong but they’re cheap for a reason - class action suit anyone? ah ‘deiselgate’. And another thing Nissan suvs are actually Renaults including the new Mitsubishi Outlanders (rebadged Nissan Xtraila).
You haven't lived until you the moment you realize the torque in the V6 that makes the vanilla-looking Rav4 a thing of art. You can even make poser off-roading runs. Watch the video they did. I think you can see Adam's head ever-so-slightly thrown back when he steps on it. This vehicle model stands as the only exception to your judgmental comment. edit: I've owned first and second gen Mazda hatchbacks and sedans and currently a first gen CX-5 They are undeniably drivers cars. The current SUVs do lack everything enjoyable about driving. CVTs, small engines, turbos to compensate, and fake awd all make the current landscape very... 1984? Stepford wives? That entails my qualifications
Aren't Hyundai and Kia have massive lawsuit in us? Not to mention their lower speck car become wannabe car theft practices vehicles because lack of engine immobilizer?
Actually, the CVT that Nissan uses is sourced from Jatco. But it's also used by Renault and Mitsubishi and several other manufacturers. And most, if not all, have a less than reliable reputation. I've read that CVT's seem to be much more reliable when they are serviced more frequently. Even so, I'll be avoiding anything that has a CVT.
I'm not sure how to determine if Qashqui models on sale in tue UK are actually built in the UK. But, the current models on sale with an 'automatic' transmission (known as Xtronic), are indeed CVT's. As far as I'm aware the only CVT's nissan is using are Jatco units. I also discovered that UK customers have the option of a 6 speed manual transmission. Nissan USA only sells Xtronic models in the US. I might actually consider a manual transmission model.
Maybe you need to do some research before you start bashing Chinese cars? my haval h6 is one of the best cars I have owned, nil problems to date, far better than my 2018 trail. which had numerous issues from new, the h6 has never been a 7 seater, and definitely not body on frame.
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Have to agree regarding the Skoda/Volkswagen. Selling our Tiguan ahead of the end of the new car warranty expiring next year. Already had gearbox issues covered under warranty.
I think this channel is the most important for me amongst all channels world wide. No body wants to talk about the secondary market except you. I wish you guys all the best!
BTW nearly 250k subs well done on creating a compelling channel….
Thank you so much!
I own a Peugeot 5008 and my brother a Skoda Kodiak, and other than a few little things that have popped up and been quickly addressed we haven't had any issues. I wonder how many of these issues are a result of design/manufacture vs owners not properly maintaining and looking after the vehicle.
Craptiva first.. enough said. 😂
Allot of people still buy them lol........there is a certain car yard in QLD that must have all the used Captiva's in the Country and every week they find new unsuspecting Customers
@@dalesmith4985i wonder what in the world of “parts swapping catastrophe” is going on it that car yard!?"… and how they come across enough non-self destructed transmissions to keep the others on the road!.
Yep, im dissapointed they didnt call it that
As an owner of an independent workshop there is a surprising number of owners who love them.
@jasonfields2793 yeah one of my staff has one hasn't missed a beat, but that is usually an exception to the rule..
Owned a 5008 1.6 THP. The high pressure fuel pump packed up at 40k mileage 3 months after warranty ended. No help from Peugeot. Valve cover started leaking, had to have it replaced and not just the gasket. Next was the heater core. Sold the POS and bought a GL Mercedes. Wow, even worse. Don't buy American built Mercs
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You should look into Toyota and Mazda if I can chime in. I heard somewhere they're both excellent. I'd stick to 2012 and earlier for the former and 2015 and later for the latter.
If you really want to buy "American" there are plenty of crap 2020s Toyotas still being assembled here as we speak. Or you could always just buy Ford because it says Ford. This is trolling btw, for those not privy.
Don't buy any Merc
Join the club that has learnt their lesson in buying anything not named toyota/lexus or honda. Even other good makes like hyundai/kia, mazda, subaru has some stinkers in their lineup that are just as bad as euro garbage so you really need to know what youre doing if you own these brands. (mazda & diesels, subies and CVTs + head gaskets in older models, select hyundai/kia models and model years)
Hey, I do have a Jeep Commander and few of the owners I know also love them … mine is 3.0L V6 Diesel and has done more than 300,000kms and it’s awesome. It’s absolutely fantastic offroad with Quadra Drive II with front and rear slip differential which still beasts most new 4x4s.
We have a diesel Santa Fe for 9 years. Trouble free and a good car. It's done just over 200,000kms now so a new one is on the cards, but in the form of a Kia Sorento due to Hyundai ditching diesels plus the look of the new Santa Fe just isn't to our liking. Thanks for your awesome content!
I have a 2016 Pathfinder since new. 130k on the clock and I was unaware about the CVT issues until this video. Damn. No issues so far, touch wood it stays that way!
The captiva one baffles me considering how many of them you still see on the road.
If you need to move 7 people at once, get a minibus, not a SUV imo.
Actually not as big as minibus, just get a van. They literally designed for this and far more spacious.
*MPV/Minivan.
Yea, we live in Europe and mpvs are dying here. VW touran is dead, ford galaxy, seat Alhambra. All dead. It sucks, I hate driving a 7 seat suv. I will never ever go off road. Why do I need such big tires and soich ground clearance? It's just silly
You guys got any suggestions for a 7 seater? I would consider an estate too.
@@pauljiltsov9950 VW Multivan is still available in EU as a 7-seater.
@@Orvietayes, but they haven’t redesigned it since 2016 and they killing it in the end of this year.
I love that car. I had a 2016 one. But it’s getting really dated because vw abandoned it
Great vid as always. Was waiting for Journey / Freemont to come up. Good to see my comments were taken on board. I totally get where you’re coming from (especially once factoring that there are variants of these that are actually pretty reliable) regarding support and availability (as with anything stellantis). Regarding depreciation, to be fair these were actually stupid cheap when they were new. They’ve also depreciated to the point where they’ve already pretty much bottomed out. So for the very small amount of money they’re worth now they are actually superb value. AND a cracking good little 7 seater car. Ok, so hear me out on this: yes a Toyota is going to be more reliable on the same basis, but that’s barely a fair comparison. You can get an absolutely pristine one of these with the 3.6 perfectly maintained with bugger all kms on the clock for the price of a roughly equivalent Toyota that has been treated like crap and 300,000+kms on the clock. While the Toyota is inherently a bit more reliable, it’s not an equal comparison. Additionally to that, they aren’t really an SUV either. They’re more like a mini-van. So they get a lot of the cool / interesting stuff of those types of cars, rather than the pointless SUV type. We’ve had ours as a family load lugger for 3 years. Reversing camera acts up (probably a faulty earth) and that’s literally it. Bang for buck with these is insane and for that I reckon these are in the ‘most underrated’ section, rather than ‘worst’ section. Ain’t no way they’re in the same category as the Craptiva!!!
H6 is a 5 seater. And aside from depreciation issue, they're a damn good car. Did a 5000km road trip to Darwin and back without an issue. Super comfy, loads of room, excellent fuel efficiency. Just an all round great car
For how long? 90% of cars are reliable within the warranty period. The real test of reliability is at the 10 year old mark.
The dealer I worked for sold a used Commander. It was everything you said here. Came back to us after a month or two crippled and the parts took months and months to get. I felt bad for the customer.
Thinking of buying a decent late 2010's Chrysler 300c with the Hemi, but keep hearing the same thing with parts either being hard to track down.
@@lobsterwhisperer7932 I think those suffer from weird electrical issues. A lot of people seem to like them despite the reliability.
I find European car manufacturers make the best vehicles in terms of design, packaging, driving dynamics, safety and economy. But, the use of cheap materials in areas such as water pumps, inlet manifolds, belt and chain tensioners, fuel pumps and just about anything they can get away with making out of plastic is becoming criminal. European vehicles are not badly engineered, they have had deliberate cost cutting material choices made to increase profit margins per unit sold, they know exactly what they are doing. If one manufacturer starts this practice the others have to follow suit to remain competitive, and so the cost cutting continues to serve the never ending shareholder dividend culture that has consumed Western manufacturing values and quality. Shareholder dividend king culture has destroyed the credibility of so many once brilliant Western manufacturers such as Boeing aircraft (a sad saga to watch), Mercedes, VW and many others. Also when it comes to terrible European vehicle electronics, most are made in China, Taiwan and other Asian countries? So why do the Japanese not suffer the same issues as they likely use the same 3rd party suppliers?? It comes down to the European customer asking the 3rd party electronics provider to build the electronic components to a certain standard. If they want cheap cheap per unit then the quality of assembly down to PCB quality, semi conductor quality, cleanliness of assembly and before and after QC checks will be far less. The customer has to pay more for higher quality assembly process, not all electronics are designed to the same exacting standards, a toaster or microwave is not manufactured to the same standard as avionics or military grade PCBs in missiles or oil field equipment. So the reason for crap electronics in Euro vehicles is not really down to the Asian suppliers either, it is down to the level of quality and therefore price requested by the customer, ask for crap, get crap. Electronics have a globaly recognised standard set by a body called IPC, who have a set globalised standard for electronic assembly depending on application and use. Vehicles should be around same quality as avionics for ECUs in my opinion as severe accidents could be caused by poor quality electronic when vehicle is in operation. You can bet your bottom dollar the vehicle manufacturing industry would be up in arms if they were strong armed into better electronic quality standards by law/legislation it would hugely dent shareholder returns.
Captiva. Can’t believe I owned not one but two of these! Yup! And I came out relatively unscathed.
Every one of my customers with a dualis has the drivers door hinges drop a bit to the point where the door latch doesn't slot in nicely. Crapbox
Was suprised to see Peugeot on the list yet not Citroën, Subaru or Audi though I suspect Audi might be in the luxury forbies video.
I'm waiting to reserve my choice for 7 seat forbie I'd drive till after the luxury list but 2 that I'd avoid like the plague are the Craptiva and anything Chinese made especially after seeing the problems that have occurred with the locally sold cars in China.
By what margin were you outvoted on the Toureg and Kodiaq by mate?
Interesting video today guys and as per usual I look forward to next week's videos as always and keep up the good work 👍
Subaru?!?! Hahahahaha.. huh?
Was it the haval h6 or h9 or both being covered here? Have you had a chance to access a haval h9?
I have been driving mazda cx9 for 13 years now. No issues at all except driver side window motor replacement. Reliable,durable and best things is size 5.1meter long can load anyting.
I’ve owned several VW’s and it’s exactly for this reason I bought a new RAV4 last year. Even within the warrantee they were trouble and the service was sh*t. And if you need a seven seater, Toyota has a Highlander, Sienna and a Landcruiser in the showroom as well 😉
And sequoia for north Americans.
Had a Pajero Sport 4wd 8 yrs. Sparingly serviced [mea culpa], beach driven, rarely washed but still faultless at 150k .... 'nuf said really.
I'd probably get a Mitsubishi Outlander ES next. Simple is best. I currently have a 2015 Nissan Note (CVT) with 90K mi. Faultless. I DO have the fluids changed on time--oil @5K and CVT@30K.
Bit of topic but have you done a review on the late model Mitsubishi challenger?
Cheers
Again a very informative video. Could you please also make a video on used Ford cars (Focus, Escape), Renault (Koles), Skoda (Koraq) and Sabaru SUVs. These SUVs are available for less than 25k AUD in used market.
When are you guys going to drive a SAAB?
The moment we can find one with an owner willing to lend it to us. - AK
@@ReDriven All 3 of them are busy at the moment....
what do you think of the haval H6 Hybrid?
No mention of the LR Discovery/Sport?
Haval H6 is 5 seater. Why do you put it in this list?
Lack of research.
They got mixed up with the H9 which is 7 seats, he even said H9 in the video once
I had a Skodiaq. Honestly a great car on its own. Decided to sell after only a couple of years of owning. Holy dooly the depreciation. One of the worst financial decisions of my life :(
This is so strange for someone from Europe. Here they hold value outstandingly well, diesels especially.
@@Grudobolja When the Kodiaq came out, Skoda had not been a brand that really existed in the Australian consciousness. Also European brands in general depreciate heavily here.
Loving this channel👍
Thanks mate!
Curious to know why the CX-9 from 2006 -2012 didnt find its way on this list? I have seen so many of these well under 10k and often wondered why they are so cheap and from new people couldnt get enough of them.
I may be wrong but I believe these years had the same bad quality water pump that Ford used in their models as well.
I would have gotten an older CX-9 if I didn't haul my famiy. About the only Mazda I never owned. It has a V6 and that's my guess as to why us Americans were sporting hard-ons for it. Many 2016+ Mazda owners have written rave reviews about their car but most of the new generations have lost its soul and guts. I cherish my 12 RAV and 15 CX-5 everyday 🌺🌻
edit: I should add that I have the sleeper RAV with the 3.5 2GR and I miss the late 2000s very very deeply
I have a friend with a Captiva I'm scared to ask how it is going. If I wanted 7 seats an Elgrand would be my choice then buy a cheap MX5 or 86 to drive
That's a H6 pictured, not a H9 (it's even in the Number Plate) 😂
Can we get a vid on the BMW M125i or M135i?
The picture for Haval H9 are all Haval H6…H9 is a different car
I'm sad the Kodiak is on this list too, but I agree with your points. Great to drive and loaded with features, but I wouldn't want to own any VAG product outside of factory warranty.
Edit: I own an Octavia RS wagon and love it! Skoda's tend to be more reliable than the Volkswagens in my experience, but I would still want to get rid of mine once the 7 year warranty ends.
Why? Here in europe everyone has them....😮
@@Sha-AyoDesigned to fail plastic bits that are only there to make money on parts. No designed to last. Also expensive and complicated to repair.
As an owner of aging VAG products someone competent on the spanners is the ideal owner, preventative maintenance is key
@@Sha-AyoExactly. That's one of the reasons why.
For you guys in Europe, it's easier to own, maintain and repair them even after warranty runs out. For us outside of Europe, that is a big hurdle unless one is monied well enough to cater for all those expenses and depreciation.
I'm not sure I agree with Skoda being unreliable. They've been pretty solid from my experience. Can't wait to buy another one.
Spot on with all those, NUFF SAID.
the 2.2l diesel captiva is great apart from the aircon not working, typical gm issue
peugeot 5008 engine isnt as bad as you're making it out, considering its from 2017 onwards most of the issues were ironed out of the engines by 2017
Love how you didn’t hold back! 😂
I drove the pathfinder with CVT in this video and a Kia Carnival from that era the Kia was nicer to drive and has a regular auto.
Should do a full review on the R51 Pathfinder. Everything attached to the car can fail. My car had engine replaced due to timing chain, radiator, turbo and transmission just to name the big ones. Could be a fun video. Oh and also the paint is shit.
If you need a 7 seater or want to sit up high commanding a 2.5t landship just buy a van like a vw t5/t6. Parts are readily available and cheap. Best of all depreciation is minimal as they are in high demand throughout all of their lifetime.
Not in Australia and the auto is a nightmare
@@kadiocalc Thats strange, here in europe theyre basically one of the most common cars on the road. Used basically everywhere for hauling families and goods. We had t4s since the start of 90s; whereas most cars of that age are long gone, theyre still around. Had a t5 for 13 years as family hauler and now another t6. No worries, low maintenance. 😇
@@steirerblut_ Australia has very harsh conditions and some cars aren't made to withstand them.
Rather get a second hand Prado...
I prefer the pajero myself but either is a good thing
CX-9 or CX-8 are a better option, same with any Toyota 7 seater. Wouldn’t touch any Chinese car, as they seem to suffer major rust issues and long term reliability is still questionable, despite them improving over the years. It’s like early Kia’s and Hyundai cars, lots of bang for your buck, but poor quality and handling. But look where they are now.
How about the BMW X7?
well lucky its not on list?😂
Sadly, I drove a Captiva, or as we affectionately named it, The Crap-tiva. Thankfully it was a company car and I could hand the keys back after a few years.
Disappointing news about the new Jeep Grand Cherokee, that was high on my list. Sounds like it will need a few revisions to get the bugs worked out. I'll pass on being a beta tester for them.
I know a a poor bastard that bought one of these along with a Cruze for Himself and the better half when he got his Super.
They are both in his driveway waiting for new wiper mechanisms.
Haval H6 isn't 7 seats? The H9 is.
who cares anyway?? Both are shit cars.
@@khimani The current H6 is perfectly fine so far.
Shame to see Holden on this list, although I wholeheartedly agree. Holden should’ve never rebadged Daewoos because they were junk. Holden should’ve merged with Pontiac because both were hot rod brands with a better reputation than Daewoo. But anyway, RIP Holden.
Holden should have merged with Pontiac???..that went well didn't it.
@@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCarsPontiac was torn away from Holden because GM wanted to kill Pontiac. But Pontiac was a success with the Holden partnership, and Holden was profitable with being able to export Aussie made muscle cars globally through Pontiac. We all know how it went, and it went well till GM killed Pontiac, which indirectly killed Holden.
With the Globally made cars I've found that the cars made in The US seems to have QA issues, for some odd reason, weird factory defects that only happen in yhe US.
The Volkswagen do need a proper maintenance, and proper driving technique (I.e don't let the car roll without pushing any pedal, the amount of times it can happen in a traffic jam is insane and it overheats the gear).
But yeah, most people don't properly maintain their cars so you end up with problems, very serious problems.
About the French one: I've heard the 1.6 is actually fine now, but the 1.2 was quite a flop before they've figured out that the timing belt is disintegrationg into the oil system and clogs it, these engines now have a 10 years warranty in France, which will hopefully spread to the rest of the world...
Also: ONLY USE THE OIL WRITTEN BY THE MANUFACTURER, THE FRENCH CARS AREN'T FORGIVING FOR ANY TRANSGRESSIONS IN THIS CASE.
Nice video, love your channel.
The problem with these types of reviews is the evidence is competely anecdotal. Having one owner have a bad experience is a pretty 'unreliable' basis to have an informed opinion. I would find it more useful if the channel quoted survey results.
The basis for the research we use across the entire channel takes information for several sources. Forums, owner surveys, specialist mechanics etc. We also have the experience of our mechanic, Jim, who has been a mechanic for 30 years
@@ReDriven so.. anecdotes.
Buy any Toyota within budget. Avoid anything with a Land Rover badge.
I’ve got both a Land Cruiser and a Range Rover and admittedly the LC is rock solid but, touch wood, the RR hasn’t had half as many issues as the forums would lead you to believe. Find a decent specialist and do routine maintenance yourself and it’s a great car.
Yes any Toyota. I wholeheartedly co-sign. Except the ones with the 2.4, the ones with more recalls than seats, the ones assembled in Mexico, and the ones made since the pandemic. Other than these you're good to go 👍
Definitely buy a Land Rover and not a Toyota. I’ve seen more Toyota cars broken down than Land Rovers .
The Pathfinder's tech and entertainment package is a user-interface disaster.
what is the point of a 7 seater SUV? Get a people mover. Better design, more space, and good after sales service. You didn't mention the lack of support for the VW and Skoda (personal experience).
Kia Carnival is the solution
Would be cool If you could make a video about the 3rd gen acura TL
Acura isn't sold in Australia.
Also, just on the Commander: yes they’re crap. Well, sort of crap. Mostly I would not recommend for someone that wants a 7 seat SUV. But their big point of differentiation is that they are a properly good off roader. They also look a lot bigger than they are. Lastly, on the ‘Jeep thing’ and general Jeep fans, most of them are Wrangler fans. Which aren’t without their faults, but they are a pretty unique vehicle. They’ll usually put up with the shit because there really isn’t anything else like them. The rest of their catalogue is extremely meh to downright woeful.
Best 7 seater : 1970s peogeot 504 wagon.
Also Volvo from that era too both were so reliable too and very easy to fix good call !!
@@wyatthurts1729 even drop in the Saab 93 with the rear facing pull up boot seats - a great little runner😮
Air conditioners, shoes, solar panels, jackets, washing machine or cars… your always better to go the next size up!!
Where's the hyundai crapa fe😂
An article reflective of how poor journalism has become. If you’re going to bag a brand make sure your facts are correct. Haval H6 is not a 7 seater. You are confusing the old H9, now not even sold, with your images of the new H6 5 seater. The ladder rail Prado re-skinned as the H9 was actually an ok car. I have the new H6 5 SEATER hybrid and it has given 90,000km of faultless driving. It’s way more powerful, better specced, more refined and quieter, is more modern inside and rides more comfortably than its Korean and Japanese rivals, is backed by a comprehensive 10 year warranty, roadside, fixed services, and as per comments from a panel beater “built like a tank”. Oh and is 20-30k cheaper and more spacious. And used models are holding very good resale….the Chinese are coming and they undoubtedly have quality products (and crap ones) to rival even the euro stuff. That Australian journalists are so one eyed is a disservice to Australian consumers because the likes of Hyundai and Nissan etc are going to get left behind. Take a good look at the value of the new Tank 500 7 seater for instance.
Cheers for the input!
Oh dear thanks again Adam - yes I saved my sister when she arrived home after borrowing a large Holden Craptiva and loved it so I warned her not to touch one with a barge pole given their US designed and built in Mexico - even worse is the smaller one built by Daewoo in South Korea - thank goodness she bought a hybrid RAV which has never missed a beat along with a good service centre culture - just noticed that there were 26000 MG suvs sold here in Australia 2023 which means 26000 drivers will eventually learn how bad they are once the electronic dash and associated driver electrics start failing and rust appears all over - I would happily be proven wrong but they’re cheap for a reason - class action suit anyone? ah ‘deiselgate’. And another thing Nissan suvs are actually Renaults including the new Mitsubishi Outlanders (rebadged Nissan Xtraila).
Was anyone surprised that Seat has 7 SUVs? 😂 Or is it only me?
thank god an actual car journalist here in australia points out haval for the issues they have, instead of glazing them so much your balls fall off
SUVs. Vapid forms of transport for bland drivers.
Australia is being taken over with them
what do you drive ?
You haven't lived until you the moment you realize the torque in the V6 that makes the vanilla-looking Rav4 a thing of art. You can even make poser off-roading runs.
Watch the video they did. I think you can see Adam's head ever-so-slightly thrown back when he steps on it. This vehicle model stands as the only exception to your judgmental comment.
edit: I've owned first and second gen Mazda hatchbacks and sedans and currently a first gen CX-5
They are undeniably drivers cars. The current SUVs do lack everything enjoyable about driving. CVTs, small engines, turbos to compensate, and fake awd all make the current landscape very... 1984? Stepford wives?
That entails my qualifications
The barra powered Ford Territory proves you completely wrong.
Buy a Hyundai or KIA, Captiva is the worst car ever made. Anything Jeep or euro is asking for trouble.
Aren't Hyundai and Kia have massive lawsuit in us? Not to mention their lower speck car become wannabe car theft practices vehicles because lack of engine immobilizer?
How to pee off 50% of drivers in 12 minutes..... Sometimes, truth hurts :)
Renault CVT in the Nissan. 🤮
Actually, the CVT that Nissan uses is sourced from Jatco. But it's also used by Renault and Mitsubishi and several other manufacturers. And most, if not all, have a less than reliable reputation. I've read that CVT's seem to be much more reliable when they are serviced more frequently. Even so, I'll be avoiding anything that has a CVT.
@@m6780 Including the Qashqui built in the UK?
I'm not sure how to determine if Qashqui models on sale in tue UK are actually built in the UK. But, the current models on sale with an 'automatic' transmission (known as Xtronic), are indeed CVT's. As far as I'm aware the only CVT's nissan is using are Jatco units. I also discovered that UK customers have the option of a 6 speed manual transmission. Nissan USA only sells Xtronic models in the US. I might actually consider a manual transmission model.
100% accuracy... Total shit cars.
Maybe you need to do some research before you start bashing Chinese cars? my haval h6 is one of the best cars I have owned, nil problems to date, far better than my 2018 trail. which had numerous issues from new, the h6 has never been a 7 seater, and definitely not body on frame.
Nissan=rebadged Renault😵💫