I debated for a while if to include Daeron's Invasion and Aegon iv's. In terms of Daeron i felt like it was more of a proper actual war and i consider it to be the 5th Dornish war where Aegon iv's 'invasion' was hardly even that. Hence why i decided not to include it. While i don't want to take the wiki as a source of info for stuff like this as it is very subjective, they list under Dornish Wars everything till Daeron's Invasion so that's what i focused on.
@@WorldOfWesteros thanks for covering every Dornish war. Especially DAERONS, him in particular, is just to me, such an amazing character my favorite Targaryen.
Honestly, you can't blame the Dornish for refusing to bow to the Targaryens. They are pretty much all that remains of the Rhoynar people, whose entire kingdom was wiped out by the Valyrians during their conquests. The survivors led by Nymeria literally ran all the way to the other side of the world to get away from the Valyrians, founded a new home and then these Valyrian upstarts show up and demand they yield their hard-earned freedom and new homeland up to them.
Instead of leaving the princesses dragon meraxes bones to rot in hell holt I would have moved the bones to Sunspear and put the head above the dornish throne to remind all visitors that dragons are not invincible in dorne.
If I'm Lord Uller you're gonna have to fight me for the skull, that's going over my gate, I'll send you a dragon claw necklace instead. I'm also curious if the princess's bones rotted beside the beast or what became of them. I don't remember reading if they were returned or consumed in the fiery end of the dragon or something else.
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The house that would NOT become apart of the realm until it married into house Targaryen… No dragon No sword No gold Just the simple marriage pact. At least that’s how it seems. I couldn’t imagine being from Dorne. Those folks are some of the most intelligent and secretive in all of Westeros
@jeffcordova9633 Intelligent and Secretive? Dorne lost many wars, and their hurbis (as well as the Targaryens from time to time) cost the lives of dozens of thousands of Dornish men and women. When they attacked in Jaehaerys' reign, my support for Dorne's independence went away. They had NO reason to attack a King who did nothing to them, and I was glad Daeron the Young Dragon went after them himself once he was ready to lead His slaying at their hands under a banner of peace is what sold to me that Dorne is where your idea if morals or honor don't matter, only your attitude and pure dumb luck will come in handy.
Ironic to think that out of all the major houses by the start of the main story, it’s Dorne that is the closest and most eager to reestablish the Targaryens back on the iron throne.
Man, that thing Daeron I said about "Him being THE Dragon made flesh" may just be the most funny thing said by any character in the franchise. On some Darkstark level shit.
It's a quite surprise that Rhaenarya made an arrangement with Dorne in the Dance of Dragons. If Dornish men sided with her and led a peoper attack on reach she can win the war more easily. And Hugh Hammer and Ulf White fly to dorne and dornish accepted them then they get two large dragons.
I wonder how tactically viable would have been that Aegon and his sisters slept on Tarth and rained directly over the greenblood, not really burning anything but sand and make his way to Sunspear so nobody would he there againand he should not worry of Scorpions as in the prince's pass. Then Aegon could talk to the Yellow Toad himself and explain the necessity of an union against the Others.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Robert doesn't strike me as the type to micromanage. I'm assuming they were stored somewhere along with the Targaryen banners, armour and dragon skulls. I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw Aegon's Crown in Winds -- the King who bore the Sword and the Crown and all that.
@@lentoturmahub8214 I don't see why he'd store them , the only crowns still around were aneys crown , maekars crown and Aegon 4ths none have any use for Robert I think he had them destroyed.
The Targaryens had a tight grip over the things that won over their power until the Dance of the Dragons, by then the Baratheons were in the side of the greens, while the blacks were the ones that started using common born "Dragon Blood".
It doesn't make much sense that the targaryens lost Sure taking the mountains probs to hard But the "urban" areas along the coast would be dirt easy. Ethnicity cleanse the roynar and repopulate the area with a new population Dragons keep you safe Soldiers hold the city Ships keep you feed and trade In reality the dornish would loose
They won mostly by attacking the targaryen's supply lines. They weren't used to fighting in such conditions their armor was heavy and cause them to dehydrate quickly the dornish knew their countries layout a lot better and basically all they did was attack the Targaryen supply lines making sure they never were able to get water or food regularly, and then doing shit like poisoning the water holes that they were able to come across
They couldn't really reach the population because they were doing guerrilla attacks, thus the Targaryen's would lose as they did regardless. It makes complete sense, they outlasted the Targaryen's over and over again, because they were strategically and tactically smarter. Plus who would from the other regions wish to populate desert areas when they come from greener pastures, especially considering the Dornish would come back and ethnically cleanse them and repopulate with the Dornish again.
You are thinking like a state, Aegon at the time had a very VERY weak government, and it never was a state, in fact Westeros never saw a state, its a very descentralized feudal system So yeah he just happened to build a new nation, a very descentralized and chaotic one, and Dorne is a desert covered by montains fighting a guerilla war, so no, Aegon didnt have resources to produce a professional army, to do ethnical cleaning and long sieges wouldnt work at all because he was the head of the government and Kings Landing needed him Plus they just had 2 dragons, Meraxes just died, showing everyone dragons CANNOT keep you safe, specially if Aegon had left Visenya behind, in her first need to dismount Vhagar a surprise attack by land would have ended her and the dragon
Ima guess that the targaryens didn't have alot of soldiers due to the other lords not seeing much worth in controlling desert The dragons would of done most of the heavy lifting However I'm surprised they were able to resist as famine would have lead to a massive depopulation of the region. Easily 50% killed
I debated for a while if to include Daeron's Invasion and Aegon iv's. In terms of Daeron i felt like it was more of a proper actual war and i consider it to be the 5th Dornish war where Aegon iv's 'invasion' was hardly even that. Hence why i decided not to include it. While i don't want to take the wiki as a source of info for stuff like this as it is very subjective, they list under Dornish Wars everything till Daeron's Invasion so that's what i focused on.
@@WorldOfWesteros thanks for covering every Dornish war. Especially DAERONS, him in particular, is just to me, such an amazing character my favorite Targaryen.
Honestly, you can't blame the Dornish for refusing to bow to the Targaryens. They are pretty much all that remains of the Rhoynar people, whose entire kingdom was wiped out by the Valyrians during their conquests. The survivors led by Nymeria literally ran all the way to the other side of the world to get away from the Valyrians, founded a new home and then these Valyrian upstarts show up and demand they yield their hard-earned freedom and new homeland up to them.
Yeah. I would rather die hand in spear than yield to dragon riding crypto-nazis tbh…
Not exactly half of the world, but yeah
It's actually kind of funny that Summerhall is depicted on this map, as it was constructed only after Dorne joined the Seven Kingdoms.
Shout out to Daeron the Young Dragon, he really did it. He, even if only for a time, had conqured Dorne through his wits and tactics
Instead of leaving the princesses dragon meraxes bones to rot in hell holt I would have moved the bones to Sunspear and put the head above the dornish throne to remind all visitors that dragons are not invincible in dorne.
If I'm Lord Uller you're gonna have to fight me for the skull, that's going over my gate, I'll send you a dragon claw necklace instead. I'm also curious if the princess's bones rotted beside the beast or what became of them. I don't remember reading if they were returned or consumed in the fiery end of the dragon or something else.
i love this channel thank you so much. i can sit here and watch for hours and i have. keep up the great work we love you for doing these wish you many blessings in life my good sir
Unbowed! Unbent! Unbroken!
Fuck Dorne
The house that would NOT become apart of the realm until it married into house Targaryen…
No dragon
No sword
No gold
Just the simple marriage pact.
At least that’s how it seems.
I couldn’t imagine being from Dorne.
Those folks are some of the most intelligent and secretive in all of Westeros
I could what kingdom would you hail from if you had a choice?
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@@JoseGonzalez-pn5zlHonestly, the best choice would be the Reach. Food is everywhere along with opportunity
@@JoseGonzalez-pn5zlI’d be from the North house stark or Stormlands
House beratheon
@jeffcordova9633
Intelligent and Secretive?
Dorne lost many wars, and their hurbis (as well as the Targaryens from time to time) cost the lives of dozens of thousands of Dornish men and women.
When they attacked in Jaehaerys' reign, my support for Dorne's independence went away. They had NO reason to attack a King who did nothing to them, and I was glad Daeron the Young Dragon went after them himself once he was ready to lead
His slaying at their hands under a banner of peace is what sold to me that Dorne is where your idea if morals or honor don't matter, only your attitude and pure dumb luck will come in handy.
I love these longer videos! Keep it coming!!!
Ironic to think that out of all the major houses by the start of the main story, it’s Dorne that is the closest and most eager to reestablish the Targaryens back on the iron throne.
They were family twice over post daeron 2 and with rhagar its also motivated by revenge more so then loyalty to the house .
Man, that thing Daeron I said about "Him being THE Dragon made flesh" may just be the most funny thing said by any character in the franchise.
On some Darkstark level shit.
This is war. The example of the unstoppable force and the immovable object
First to take the Black 🖤 my rightful place!!!! 😊🖤🖤🖤🔥🔥🔥
I’ll be your first ranger, mi’lord
@@jeffcordova9633yes you will .......BURN THEM ALLLLLLLL!!!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
First to take the black pudding. 😊
These longform videos are 💲💵💰
It's a quite surprise that Rhaenarya made an arrangement with Dorne in the Dance of Dragons. If Dornish men sided with her and led a peoper attack on reach she can win the war more easily. And Hugh Hammer and Ulf White fly to dorne and dornish accepted them then they get two large dragons.
I wonder how tactically viable would have been that Aegon and his sisters slept on Tarth and rained directly over the greenblood, not really burning anything but sand and make his way to Sunspear so nobody would he there againand he should not worry of Scorpions as in the prince's pass. Then Aegon could talk to the Yellow Toad himself and explain the necessity of an union against the Others.
The lesson here is: Dorne is and always has been the sum total of it's common people.
What happened to the Targaryen crowns once Robert Baratheon won his rebellion? Where are they destroyed?
I assume they were destroyed he had no use for them half of them already were gone anyway
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Robert doesn't strike me as the type to micromanage.
I'm assuming they were stored somewhere along with the Targaryen banners, armour and dragon skulls.
I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw Aegon's Crown in Winds -- the King who bore the Sword and the Crown and all that.
@@lentoturmahub8214 I don't see why he'd store them , the only crowns still around were aneys crown , maekars crown and Aegon 4ths none have any use for Robert I think he had them destroyed.
One of the biggest L on the Targaryen resume along with the dance. Though they had Dorne join but only on there terms..
I wonder what happens from 136 AC to 157 AC
Dorne never tried meagor
Luckily for him
Meagor never tried them either.
Vulture king did and got destroyed for it
Some baratheons have targeryn blood in them, so why dont they ride dragons?
The Targaryens had a tight grip over the things that won over their power until the Dance of the Dragons, by then the Baratheons were in the side of the greens, while the blacks were the ones that started using common born "Dragon Blood".
Glory to dorne, down with the dragon
No one can ever say the Targs were bright.
There failure to capture dorne had nothing to do with there lack of intelligence.
I would had burned the Dornish and left no stone unturned, all would had been fair game and they would had been sold as slaves to essos.
Wait they burned Starfall? Home of the Daynes?
Every single castle except Sunspear so yes
It doesn't make much sense that the targaryens lost
Sure taking the mountains probs to hard
But the "urban" areas along the coast would be dirt easy.
Ethnicity cleanse the roynar and repopulate the area with a new population
Dragons keep you safe
Soldiers hold the city
Ships keep you feed and trade
In reality the dornish would loose
They won mostly by attacking the targaryen's supply lines. They weren't used to fighting in such conditions their armor was heavy and cause them to dehydrate quickly the dornish knew their countries layout a lot better and basically all they did was attack the Targaryen supply lines making sure they never were able to get water or food regularly, and then doing shit like poisoning the water holes that they were able to come across
They couldn't really reach the population because they were doing guerrilla attacks, thus the Targaryen's would lose as they did regardless. It makes complete sense, they outlasted the Targaryen's over and over again, because they were strategically and tactically smarter.
Plus who would from the other regions wish to populate desert areas when they come from greener pastures, especially considering the Dornish would come back and ethnically cleanse them and repopulate with the Dornish again.
You are thinking like a state, Aegon at the time had a very VERY weak government, and it never was a state, in fact Westeros never saw a state, its a very descentralized feudal system
So yeah he just happened to build a new nation, a very descentralized and chaotic one, and Dorne is a desert covered by montains fighting a guerilla war, so no, Aegon didnt have resources to produce a professional army, to do ethnical cleaning and long sieges wouldnt work at all because he was the head of the government and Kings Landing needed him
Plus they just had 2 dragons, Meraxes just died, showing everyone dragons CANNOT keep you safe, specially if Aegon had left Visenya behind, in her first need to dismount Vhagar a surprise attack by land would have ended her and the dragon
@@guifdcanalli interesting points
No bro they want to conquer people not some wasteland . And also you can’t just repopulate a place big such as dorne ..
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First to take the black
The night gathers and now our watch begins
Ima guess that the targaryens didn't have alot of soldiers due to the other lords not seeing much worth in controlling desert
The dragons would of done most of the heavy lifting
However I'm surprised they were able to resist as famine would have lead to a massive depopulation of the region.
Easily 50% killed