Atreus being an anti-hero or the villain is an interesting point of view. I saw him as an emotional teenager stressed on knowing his prophecy and fate, while not thinking rationally on his decisions. Decisions that caused Odin to disguise himself as Tyr and infiltrate their secret base, thus resulting in their plans known and Brok slain.
I also think that, but also Heimdall's comment when he meets Atreus, no one else sees that in Atreus except the person who can see your real intentions
My problem with Loki is he acts innocent around Thor's family. If he inspired them like Thor hinted, it would have been better if Loki owned killing Modi in cold blood, but thats just me.
@@TheNaturex20 I get that Loki had a mission to carry out, answers to find. Yet how he tried to butter Thor up after killing Modi that way, made me feel sick. Kratos I respect, at least he killed Balder to defend Freya, killed Magni to defend himself and his son. Kratos tried to say to Thor "Modi died from Thor's beating", yeah to ward off the fact Loki killed Modi. Hey, Kratos was being a dad. I am happy that Loki learned the pain of killing a living person then killing in cold blood, and realizing the consequences years later. As a God, I kinda like this story of his growth, to have him learn all this young. Yet his cowardice towards Thor, deflecting his responsibility, Thor was justified in trying to Kill Loki after the mask was complete.
@@lumpcrittergravy Yeah I’d say I agree with that take. As sus Loki is, I’d say he is well written and has believable actions throughout both of the games. Most people in his shoes would probably turn out similar and he definitely feels guilty about that Modi situation.
Heimdall read that man like a book fr 😂 All jokes aside, Atreus's story is far from being over considering it's heavily implied he's going to travel to different pantheons in order to find the rest of the giants since they're nowhere within the nine realms (now 8 lol). I feel as though the game directors would wanna head in a direction where Atreus slowing turns more into a full fledged Loki, from Norse mythology. The god of mischief and a cunning trickster. I like how they implemented the fact that he likes to run on chaos in the game the same way Loki's aim in Norse mythology was to always create chaos for the aesir. In the tale, he even cuts off Sif’s hair for seemingly no reason other than to amuse him. However, he always fixes his mistakes with an added bonus to the aesir, just like in the game. The quote "Loki Will Go, Atreus Remains" could have multiple meanings and show further foreshadowing of Atreus really going off the deep end the older he gets. Kratos's son will remain in his heart even if he goes and then returns as an unrecognizable Loki.
Yeah that’s most definitely the direction they’re taking. And in all seriousness his cunningness is most definitely gonna have to evolve into that true Loki level in order to make it in these other Pantheons. What I’m most interested in looking into the future is the gods and figures that Loki is gonna encounter. I wonder how they are gonna react to him and what other intelligent minds is he gonna have to clash with. Lowkey kinda excited even though there’s a low chance for some Kratos action.
@@TheNaturex20 In Game Award 2022 Chris J (Kratos) said to Loki voice actor that "just dont be a scumbag" and loki voice actor smirk face in camera but in Game director interview he said "Loki just act like teenager and do mis take untill he was forgiven by his father like a family game" in other case the character just control the writer as there was writer who being control by fictional character to write the story that never intent by the writer themself that loki from the game is real and watching the players all the time that play his game.
You must be the reincarnation of heimdall cause you basically said what he said. A lot of the bad things that happened in the game were because of Atreus. A lot of people don’t see because the writers don’t set that kind of tone. But they definitely sprinkled hints letting us know he was gonna be a problem. Look at how he was acting in GOW 2018 once he found out he was a god. Even mimir told kratos to keep an eye on him 😂.
Or you’re both wrong. Humble beast? And you go straight to, “I’m right, therefore , I must me the reincarnation of the most bad ass, smartest god from this game. I suspect you’re also not a beast 😂
I would have loved if they kept the original ragnarok instead of changing it to only asgard to really show how loki is knowing his actions would destroy entire realms but only caring about destroying odin
@@durrangodsgrief6503 that’s the route I thought they would go. The subtle ways his future was being portrayed in 2018, and even ragnorok, made it seem like he would bring about the destruction of all 9 realms. But they gave us the happy ending which I’m not mad at. Cause I actually like how Atreus/ Loki’s story turned out.
And it also makes sense considering In some cut content of god of war ragnorok when kratos plunged the blades into surtur’s heart it didn’t create ragnorok so we went to find surtur’s wife and Loki lied to her saying that Odin was the one who killed surtur to start ragnorok
@@TheNaturex20 gow become soft it wasnt afraid if showing kratos wasn't the hero that he was no better than the gods he despised and caused the deaths of thousands in his rage even the act of using that innocent girl to block the gate when he could have done anything else and it's one of the reasons I honestly dont like current gow making the gods purely evil, the giants purely good making Atreus a good guy with little nuances besides his own obsession and fuck ups
@@durrangodsgrief6503 wrong. The original Trilogy did its best to make sure that everyone knew how bad the gods were. Kratos was a pawn. Olympiad gods were literal mustache twirling villians.
I feel like the heimdall quote was specific to asgard. I want to say that most of what he did in the story was just his childish recklessness but what he did to odin and asgard in general was definitely true to loki. He used his first ticket to asgard to get odin to reveal his main goal, then once odin realized he NEEDED loki to accomplish said goal, loki knew he could do whatever the fuck he wanted. The lying and manipulation was of odin, and the burning city is asgard. That being said, this was a nice perspective and it would be interesting if in the next game his lying and manipulation becomes more overt, and he becomes odin 2.0/true loki.
The theory floating around that Sindri is being set up for a villain arc has always felt too easy/obvious. I feel like a way more true to form development would be Atreus continuing to spread chaos while everyone around him stays fooled like "oh, the kid doesn't mean anything by it." Meanwhile Sindri is the only one who understands what harm the kid's capable of...but who is gonna take the word of a grieving, broken dwarf over golden boy Atreus? Hm 🤔
I feel like people around him are gonna slowly realize Atreus is on some bs in the next game. It’s might start off as Sindri being a crazy person but people will slowly see what he’s talking about.
Here's a question that been itching at the back of my mind since the end of the game, "How can destroying an entire Realm in order to get to one man be called good or just?"
It ain’t . They evacuated those people outside the walls of Asgard but a lot of bystanders probably still got it. And the people who were evacuated gotta live in cold ass Midgard now.
@@TheNaturex20that one man was responsible for the oppression of peoples throughout nearly all of the 9 realms. We don’t know how many casualties there were but if the remaining realms thrive and recover then that will have been a net positive. The Asgardian refugees are free to live in the realms of their choice and some went to vanaheim.
Bro just opened my eyes, I feel dumb af but it's always the subtle shit, you play as atreus so you want him to live and continue his plan. Even the player is manipulated
Odin was being over confident in his own manipulation skills, when Heimdall warned him Odin responded of "course he is, thats why he came but once he finds out why I asked him to come he will come around" which of course, Loki would not and thats why Heimdall was going to kill Loki as soon as he could do it in a way that reduced the risk of Odin being pissed off. Maybe without Thor taking the wrong end of the stick to what Sif was saying, she wanted to point out Odin was the problem but Thor focused his rage on Loki. Maybe if Loki didn't flee with the mask and stayed around Odin it might have gone differently.
I like this perspective I always thought it was him being childish and naive but alot of what loki did he had purpose behind it. Including lying to kratos to start the beginning of the game. I also thought it was interesting that the first time he traveled to ironwood he had vision memories of all the bad/God things he did in the past.
In actual nose mythology jormuggander, fenrir who has links to gamar, and Hel (rules over hell) all are lokis children who were wronged by Odin which Kickstart s ragnarok despite Odin trying to prevent it. It is fragmented prophecy that is inevitable so if we look at it from God of war standpoint there was no truly stopping ragnarok only diminishing its casualties where instead of three entire survivors they had time to help others. If that was atreus's plan then the only snag was what happened to brok. As in myth sure loki may be the drinking buddy who roasts everybody, but he was also the one to clean up literally a majority of the messes the aesir created and essentially scapegoated as a way to wash away any misdeeds. Holy shit that basically makes him a Jesus figure but that is the problem when your two best source materials date back to the 1300s after the region had been christianized. Some myths we know as unaffected due to Roman generals writing about it and some carvings still left as most traditions were passed on orally rather than written though this spin of him trying to be good isn't inaccurate from the surviving source material as it is even suggested loki us a title not a name like when Thor and loki go party at utgard Loki's place who is a master illusionist that humiliates Thor yet makes Thor look bad ass at the same time by having him fight an old lady that is literally the personification of death itself and just the fact he lasted three minutes was enough for him to go oh balls I took the joke too far.
I see people talking about How Loki is manipulating The events but he was more of a Chaos Guy, he isn't a good manipulator he Just Works behind The scenes unseen ( and even Then It doesn't work everytime, Thor's Hammer as an example)
THANK YOU NATURE904!!! I said this in Reddit and they downvoted me to OBLIVION! -SPOILERS- I have a feeling Santa Monica is trying to set up an Anakin Skywalker type character arch for Atreus/Loki. If you notice in the Ragnarok game Atreus dreams about the MASK before he even has it in his possession. During this dream sequence we go back to all the evil and nasty things Atreus did/said in the 2018 game. Remember when some of these things happened Atreus said he didn't remember or it didn't even feel like it was him saying/doing these things. To me it seemed like in this dream the mask was actually calling out to him. To further delve into this theory, even Odin in a terrified state said only the "CHAMPION OF THE JOTNAR CAN PUT ON THE MASK"...meaning Odin knew MUCH more about this than he let on. This isn't over. This mask will return more than likely and an adult Atreus while on a journey to find the rest of the Jotnar may not like what he sees. Going back to what I said about the Anakin Skywalker story arch...when Anakin's mother died in his arms he slaughtered an entire village of people. Atreus's powers are still manifesting. Bro legit TOUCHED ODIN THE ALL-FATHER and said SOOFFFTAAA...and removed his SOUL. Atreus at 16/17 is NOT just a regular God we've seen in this series. This is Zeus's grandson with Jotnar blood...he's going to be a PROBLEM. lol
Yo that scene when he was a kid being a menace I legit had forgot to mention. I was gonna make the point that he never really changed from that time and he just got better at hiding it. It’s like when people don’t feel bad for the things they’ve done, but they feel bad when they get a negative response to it. That’s exactly what I feel like Atreus is in a way.
@@TheNaturex20 EXACTLY....little entitled fucker. Even Angrboda's grandmother...wtf are you destroying grown folks property for?? And you're absolutely right. Heimdall said it ALL...I see cities burning to the ground when your lips move. He wasn't even going to come back because of disobeying his entire "family"...as you said he only returned when he needed his father to clean up his mess. What kind of mess do you think he's going to create as a young adult??? Have a gut feeling Atreus is going to eventually seek out the mask and when it is on he's going to do unspeakable things. However the mask will make his power almost omnipotent. He's going to hide the fact that he has the mask. This will slowly split his psyche in two until ultimately the mask controls him. Kratos may have to kill him possibly?
It's the fact that everyone is so passive around the fact of war that Atreus comes off as a villain. If anything once Freya is free she becomes more of a hero than Kratos because he will spend the entire game terrified of even laying a finger on Asgard until the last dream sequence but Freya will immediately try and actively protect Vanaheim and the Vanir. She really deserved to be called the general of Ragnarok more than Kratos with all she did leading up to it
Well that’s because kratos knew the consequences to killing gods. He literally destroyed the world in the original trilogy and he’s scared he’s gonna mess shit up even more
@@zupaj11 True that but like The world is ending anyway due to Ragnarok. This is like the one time the world ends no matter what and at least this way the destruction was only on Asgard
@@Mario-us5xm I definitely agree, I think kratos was being a little bitch. Odin is so obviously evil and NEEDS to die. I just like to understand where he’s coming from because he does have a good reason to be cautious.
@@zupaj11 I think it was moreso him beimg tired of bloodshed, only doing so once when it was necesary. He killed only one person (Baldur) and it caused him to almost die on Thor's hands. So he's probably just terrified of Atreus' safety. I just wishes he fully understood they were in danger anyway sooner
It would be another Zeus vs Kratos moment but instead, it would be Kratos vs Atreus/Loki and Loki come out victorious in my opinion that would be so fucking bad ass and it’s continuing the generational prophecy or curse how ever you wanna put it
Tbh Arteus is the villian in my eyes. He spent the entirety of Ragnorok bashing his father, acting as if he knew better than Kratos. He brought fake Tyr into their home and Sindri lost Brok. It has nothing to do with Kratos, everything in the game is purely Aretus’s fault.
Kratos even spent the game trying to get his son to cut it out. 100% all the events in Ragnorok were caused by Arteus. Kratos had nothing to do with it.
Your argument is ok at face value but has far too many holes. He wanted to adventure etc. Because his dad implied they would after he was ready and the information his mother had given him. And he had no idea aof his lineage through half of this, which he would need in order to make your argument. Odin manipulated things by giving the boy some information, knowing he would be curious for more. and that through him, he could have a shield against a more powerful god in Kratos, as they make it pretty clear the greek gods were the Superiors of the Norse in power and ability. and use the knowledge obtained through the prophecy/Atreus to truly become the real embodiment of what "all-father" represents. He had thor rile up Kratos to bring him back to his old ways so Atreus would see a unhinged man compared to himself as the helpful understanding one. And aggravating her further as you imply would do the opposite of what you say he intended. Another MASSIVE hole to your entire idea would have required him to know the full power of Kratos, which he didn't for the majority of this manipulation. He also clearly didn't need the weapon to beat Heim. He was winning well before that to the shock and dismay of Heim. Which is why he was in such shock he thought it was luck. As his ability has a GLARING weakness in that all one need do is think of 1 action while instinct performs another. Which he would be susceptible too and would then make his power absolutely worthless because it's no more accurate than not having it at all, and based on how much he relies on it for everything in life, would become a weakness. There are multiple points in the story that prove the Norse gods are weak. They can't go back in time, like the fate sisters could. Odin is not able to teleport without restriction. Where not only can Zeus do so but he can do so with an aspect of himself. Odin can only morph into those he imprisoned, unlike the shifter gods of Greece like Zeus. It is outright said that the greek gods always looked down on the Norse. And couple that with the fact they supposedly own the realm of midgard (earth) but in fact only control a small portion of it, despite being conquerors and not stepping a foot in greece. Shows they were inferior and and Odins Conquering nature is precisely why he wants the infinite knowledge because with that he thinks he can trully become a representation of "all-father." Then you have the fact Kratos only has a fraction of his godly powers, and nowhere near the fire power through weaponry he had before and yet was able to beat a god famed to be untouchable much less unkillable in heim. And then later went on to solo Thor, and then be the primary factor to beat Odin back to back. 2 of arguably the most powerful gods in all of Norse mythology. Where as Kratos with a large amount of incredible weaponry struggled with many of the greek Pantheon.
You see that’s what I don’t like about the Norse Pantheon. Why did they have to be considerably weaker than the Greek Pantheon. This is one of the reasons why I found them unsatisfying as an opposing force to Kratos and Atreus. There were too many holes in their game considering that we went the entirety of the 2018 story hyping these gods up just for them to be wiped out so quickly. And while I still believe there to be some truths in my argument, I only see it as an interesting perspective to look at the story from. And the actions of Loki can gain even worse consequences if he continues to act so recklessly (if you see him as a good guy that is)
@@TheNaturex20 I'm not sure, I'd have liked them to have made midgard it's own location showing Kratos leaving earth to go there. And make them a worthy foe. It had a strong story but as far as a game making you think there was a challenge, it kinda fell flat in my eyes as well. And I agree. I also think (theory nothing definitive outside of how the previous story telling has went) that the various times Atreus turned to be the aspects of gods that Kratos hates the most is going to actually lead to a point (and imo the finale for Kratos) where he and Atreus become enemies. And I can see something like where Kratos sacrifices himself in some manner in order to save his son in the end which then brings him a need for redemption and he likely take up the mantle for the future games after that in his fathers name. But only time will tell how everything plays out. In any case thanks for the reply, and like I said nice job on constructing the theory. It definitely has its potential for validity, even if it might have some strong counter reasonings against it. Keep up the good work.
1. The sisters of fate are more powerful than mos't Greek gods as well and mos't gods could not travel back in time like they could. 2. Odin's shape shifting abilities are not made enitrely in game but it is not just those he imprisoned the reason he has them there is so that there is no risk of them dying and so that he can keep track of where they are. 3. Midgard is not Earth, Earth in the Gow continuity is made of all the different pantheons and the gods themselves in these instances only rule the areas of which their historical religions were present in. 4 It is NEVER stated that Kratos uses a fraction of his god powers. 5. Kratos needed Draupnir specifically to kill Heimdall, without it he would not have succeded. 6. Kratos needed to use EVERY trick he had to beat Thor. The Leviathan Axe, The Blades of Chaos, Draupnir and even his knife to take down Thor. In their first fight Thor even killed Kratos. 7. Kratos was close to loosing twice against Odin, had Freya and Atreus not helped him he would have los't. I respect your opinion and I do agree that the Greek gods arguably possesed more powerful magic but it would be incorrect to state that the Norse gods are weak.
@@callofghidorah1158 Doesn't matter, they are still under the greek hierarchy, which makes them their asset. 2. we're not going by other sources, we're going from GoW. And you're 100% wrong. They outright say he can only SS into someone so long as they're alive. That inherently shows a weaker form of the ability than Zeus and others in the greek pantheon. 3.It's not, go re play the games and watch the storyline. Midgard is represented as earth, the other realms are in a different aspect of reality. 4. He never gained 100% of his powers back from the pre Norse GoW games... He is definitely a fraction, not to mention his lack of his various weaponry which helped make him the GoW he was at his peak. 5. Obviously not as he was choked to death. The weapon was only there to give him an edge. But considering what took place in the battle, it was clearly not needed. The whole aspect that was the challenge was would Kratos be able to hit him. He clearly was able to achieve that with or without the spear. 6. ... It's like you didn't even pay attention in the game. The Kratos Thor beat wasn't the god version of Kratos, he was a lesser man. Hence why Thor fought him to bring out that old Kratos. The whole goal was to win over his son, which would have been done had Kratos given into his rage. Which was the whole concept of the game of him overcoming and learning from his past to become the real god he had always tried to be but always went about things in the worst way possible. 7. You don't know that, and nothing that took place was beyond anything Kratos was able to handle in the past. I never once said they were weak, I said they were weak in comparison to Kratos and the greek gods. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Not sure if I'm 100% on what you're drinkin' but you do make some interesting points. Atreus definitely masters the act of speaking out of both sides of his mouth in this game, whether he's completely conscious of it or not. And I do believe he at least mildly manipulates everyone's view of him as a confused, emotionally charged adolescent. I mean, teenagers, right!?! I think Heimdall's call-out is an important piece of this puzzle, possibly getting us closer to what's really going on in Atreus' mind.
I do wanna point this out. I don’t think Kratos’s redemption arc will ever be over until he goes back to Greece and REBUILDS what he DESTROYED. It just can’t happen and there’s too much of a dissonance there. Also, Elden Ring doesn’t suck.
That would be pretty interesting to see but I doubt that’s gonna happen with the direction they are leading to. I wouldn’t mind to be wrong about that one though. …Elden Rings mid
That would be a great ending sindri is hunting down Loki but kratos and the players see Loki as a victim but then in the end Loki reveals that he actually has bad intentions and sindri gets murdered by Loki right in front of kratos frey mimir And anyone there and kratos is forced to kill Loki and has to relive the loss of a family member again
Loki is Odin but tempered by compassion, he knew deep down that Odin was a dangerous man too dangerous to keep alive or remain the same, it doesn’t take much to manipulate a manipulator who is loosing control or even people who had to deal with the manipulator who saw through the manipulation so ragnorok was only a test of his ability but I think if he goes to Egypt he will have to deal with actual powerhouse manipulators and leaders at their peak or so they appear, to maintain this idea once in Egypt is to literally follow through with the story of Moses and that means Atreus is going to fuck up with the current pharaoh
That's an interesting idea. Maybe Moses refused to listen to God, and God chose Atreus to destroy the Pharaoh instead. Or maybe have the Plagues be the result of Atreus killing the Egyptian Pantheon, effectively putting him in the same shoes as Kratos in GoW 1-3.
Next game going be Atreus getting Kratos killed then being the next god of war, I think Odin may still be alive as Atreus probably switched ball, the prophecy is still real. Next game can be called Loki: The God of War and Mischief
Everyone likes to talk about Atreus being relatable and misunderstood, but I could never trust him. Even when he was arguably in the right I knew he was up to something devious
Yeah I love Atreus's character but the people saying " oh he's just being a kid" Jesus Christ if this is how normal children act then holy hell. Heimdall said that Atreus was willing to manipulate ANYONE to get what he wants. Atreus goes the whole game acting like he was trying to stop his dad from being killed but all he actually wanted was to know more about who Loki was suppose to be and trying to figure out everything about the Giants. All of his actions were for himself. Atreus even says out loud" He has what I need!" about Odin. Every mission Atreus did for Odin was to find out more about the giants, he manipulated everyone including Kratos to get what he wanted.
@@luckoftheirish5662 and comments like this ignore the fact he didn't break the mask until basically the end of the game. And then at the end Atreus leaves Kratos and Freya to clean up his mess so he can find more giants LOL. And that's who Loki is, sneaky, conniving, will do anything to get what he wants. He literally went the whole game acting like he was doing it for his father but he was doing it for himself, I don't care what he did at the end of the game, he literally only had selfish intentions for basically the entirety of the game. Loki is called the god of mischief for a reason man lol.
@@luckoftheirish5662 The Brok funeral sidequest was his mess since he driving force to bringing Tyr in. And the kid forced Surtur to destroy himself when he wanted no part of the war. Pretty selfish if you ask me
@@luckoftheirish5662 well we are talking about video game characters and the way we interpret their actions not real people, so the odd aggresive defense of a fictional child who at the very least had to talk Surtur into giving up the love of his life for prophecy sake is very telling. And just because Kratos said Atreus tries to help Atreus through his guilt doesnt change his part in what happened. Very fascinating indeed
I think he has the best intentions but what he does unknowingly affects the people closes to him. Yes he tried to trick the Asgardians But Odin is always one step ahead. But I agree that Atreus doesn’t get enough consequences rather they bounce on those closes to him.
Lol. The God of mischief with the best intentions? Did you not just hear Heimdall tell you his intentions? He said he is only serving himself. They gave you a hint that he is the future villain. Watch.
@@quintonmiller8266 Heimdall also claims to only see the wors't in people yet he for some reason puts up with all the shit Odin has done, are you sure you wan't to use him as your primary source? On top of that Loki isn't necessarily evil in Norse Mythology, mos't of the things he does come from ignorance, stupidity and underestimating the situation.
You will come back to this vid in time and call this guy a genius. I can't believe you can't see the truth in it. Listen to Heimdall tell you about Loki.
GOW 2018 (kratos can’t talk to Atreus about his past) + GOWR (Atreus can’t talk to kratos about tyr and kratos’ death) = another panetheon brought down
Honestly, I feel like heimdall was hinting for what the future holds for Atreus as well. He says that he’s practically chaos walking around, and if the writers decide to they can make Atreus turn a little bit more into how Loki is portrayed as in mythology. Would be cool :)
I don't think you understand that Odin doesn't care about anyone else. All he wants is the answers. Whatever he has to do, whomever he has to ally with or betray, he wants whatever answers are inside that Rift, and only Loki can use the mask to look inside as far as he knows. So, start Ragnarok, stop Ragnarok, whatever has to happen to see, to know. He just wants to use Loki as a looking glass, whatever has to happen to keep him on Odin's side, he'll make that happen. Of course he lets him off the hook for literally everything. He doesn't care about Asgard, or he'd have prioritized keeping Gjallarhorn inside it, because he knew Kratos was going for Heimdall. But he doesn't care.
That is close to my first theory of Faye just using Kratos and Atreus for her own revenge. But Atreus isn’t without reason Loki so that Video has Good points
Atreus was the villain of the story but they ruined it after Heimdall. They were so focused on Peace and trying to make save Atreus's character that they retconned half of his Loki actions. I was so hype watching him try to start this when obviously Odin and everyone else didn't want it. But they then just did a complete random flip for no context reason and Odin became the true evil. But for no literal reason. He didn't take his Dio Mask and he didn't have any real reason to be a spy because it wasn't story-wise addressed. He made the Trickster god look like the joke himself. I thought maybe it could be saved by Kratos doing the mural scene half the game was making drama over but that never happened and instead of the wolf doing the lore thing, Sindri comes and ugh. The first half was so good then they just said screw Atreus
I think their main problem was they were going to kill Kratos in this game which would mean they would have had to make Atreus more like Loki anyway but people didn't want Kratos to die so they changed it. Thats honestly what I think happened lol
I have only one thing to say when it comes to ending of gow ragnarok... Fuck you angrboda for making me grind for hours for atreus XP just for him to leave at the end.
Another 🔥🔥🔥 Vid Brother. You had me in stitches, also, that Dutch/Odin comparison is 100% accurate. Mob Boss Odin IS garbage, Loki IS a manipulative little asshole and Elden Ring really does still suck. Can't wait to see Atreus visit another Pantheon without his over-powered Daddy to fix all his mistakes.
I think Atreus is a sneaky bastard at manipulation, because while on the surface he's always trying to appear innocent or completely in the right, he's blatantly lied to people to exploit their care for him or shown sociopathic behavior like when he killed a weak Modi in cold blood and barely showed any real reaction to it beyond anger and self-justification.
This is an interesting viewpoint. I was so fixated on Odin and his manipulation that it did not occur to me that this little turd was behind all of the events 😃
@@luckoftheirish5662 and it was but he also said a lot of negative things about his intentions but we’ve only seen childish acts from Atreus to call him those terrible things atreus must’ve really had his own though process through the game that the player is Not aware of
@@luckoftheirish5662 no I understand it I just believe at anytime or when someone kratos love is in harm he will quickly go back to the mister he once was he said that to Odin
Kratos is gonna come full circle; his unthinking bloodlust killed his wife and child, he becomes overprotective of his next child only to have to put him down. Just a theory.
Bruh... i also felt that he is very childish on the outside but actually a very good manipulator on the inside Felt so sad for Brok and Sindri Would Love to see Kratos fight the Evil trikster o.p Loki who has learned war from the GOD OF WAR himself and has nearly every magic that the 9 realms hold Very interesting take... Btw during the whole saga, specially the younger Attreus i was sooo fucking infuriated by the massive fuckups he did Even shooting his own father and rendering him open to attack by Freya's son Baldur Then blaming Kratos for "breaking the bridge" 🤡🤡🤡🤡
I don’t doubt it . It’s get kinda iffy when we look at the gameplay and take it literal to the lore. Which is exactly what I did lol. I’m thinking that lore wise it would be a stalemate or something.
Throughout the game, he's been trying to plan out how to start Ragnarok. Even from the beginning when Odin and Thor told him what he was up to and Kratos was caught off guard with those comments. He even called Kratos an ass hole. He should have gotten an ass beating. There! Ragnarok averted! The end!
Pretty interesting but it does make sense. This dude always seems to get atleast 1-2 villain arcs per GOW. I could def see this as some fucked up 4D chess play where Kratos has to confront him.
Imagine if that's how the game started, when Atreus turned into that bear and got beaten down by Kratos. Maybe he would've gone to Freya and begged her to revive his son in exchange for his own life.
I love this take. Throughout the whole game, I felt like Kratos was getting shit on a bit too much, just for being careful about war! This guy knows more about warfare than anyone in this game, except maybe true Tyr. Atreus getting what he wants seems like re-confirmation of his destructive biases. As Kratos said, Atreus will remain, while Loki might travel elsewhere. Imagine a God of War game, in which you play as an Egyptian character, or perhaps a Mayan or Roman. There is some "invisible figure" who is quietly manipulating the local gods and goddesses. You fight your way past the puppets, and reach the true instigator; a completely masked-up Loki with the power of the Rift.
If atreus is a manipulator, then who do you expect he got that from the greek gods, of course, who were certified manipulators I'm not sure about his mother
I do see the resemblance of manipulation between Atreus and the Greek Gods. People like Athena and Ares come to mind so he could’ve gotten it from them. Personally though, I think it’s his own nature adopted for the means of survival. Because he’s definitely not a powerful god as of right now.
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Atreus being an anti-hero or the villain is an interesting point of view. I saw him as an emotional teenager stressed on knowing his prophecy and fate, while not thinking rationally on his decisions. Decisions that caused Odin to disguise himself as Tyr and infiltrate their secret base, thus resulting in their plans known and Brok slain.
Yeah I find it cool that you can look at his character from multiple point of views. Keeps things from being black and white.
Tehnikaly Kratos was a vilan in original games as he killed a lot of Innocents both directly and indirectly so like father like son
I also think that, but also Heimdall's comment when he meets Atreus, no one else sees that in Atreus except the person who can see your real intentions
@@tantaran1234 that's why he's the god of mischief
@@cosmicdoggo9296 nah kratos was only a villain in gow 3
My problem with Loki is he acts innocent around Thor's family. If he inspired them like Thor hinted, it would have been better if Loki owned killing Modi in cold blood, but thats just me.
Bro if he actually had the balls to say that I would’ve been genuinely shocked
@@TheNaturex20 I get that Loki had a mission to carry out, answers to find. Yet how he tried to butter Thor up after killing Modi that way, made me feel sick. Kratos I respect, at least he killed Balder to defend Freya, killed Magni to defend himself and his son. Kratos tried to say to Thor "Modi died from Thor's beating", yeah to ward off the fact Loki killed Modi. Hey, Kratos was being a dad. I am happy that Loki learned the pain of killing a living person then killing in cold blood, and realizing the consequences years later. As a God, I kinda like this story of his growth, to have him learn all this young. Yet his cowardice towards Thor, deflecting his responsibility, Thor was justified in trying to Kill Loki after the mask was complete.
@@lumpcrittergravy Yeah I’d say I agree with that take. As sus Loki is, I’d say he is well written and has believable actions throughout both of the games. Most people in his shoes would probably turn out similar and he definitely feels guilty about that Modi situation.
well I mean doing that would probably end in Thor reducing him into strawberry jam regardless of whether or not Odin wants him alive or not.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 Loki Jam does sound good
This all started when he found out he was a God, mf was never the same after that
Heimdall read that man like a book fr 😂
All jokes aside, Atreus's story is far from being over considering it's heavily implied he's going to travel to different pantheons in order to find the rest of the giants since they're nowhere within the nine realms (now 8 lol). I feel as though the game directors would wanna head in a direction where Atreus slowing turns more into a full fledged Loki, from Norse mythology. The god of mischief and a cunning trickster. I like how they implemented the fact that he likes to run on chaos in the game the same way Loki's aim in Norse mythology was to always create chaos for the aesir. In the tale, he even cuts off Sif’s hair for seemingly no reason other than to amuse him. However, he always fixes his mistakes with an added bonus to the aesir, just like in the game.
The quote "Loki Will Go, Atreus Remains" could have multiple meanings and show further foreshadowing of Atreus really going off the deep end the older he gets. Kratos's son will remain in his heart even if he goes and then returns as an unrecognizable Loki.
Yeah that’s most definitely the direction they’re taking. And in all seriousness his cunningness is most definitely gonna have to evolve into that true Loki level in order to make it in these other Pantheons. What I’m most interested in looking into the future is the gods and figures that Loki is gonna encounter. I wonder how they are gonna react to him and what other intelligent minds is he gonna have to clash with. Lowkey kinda excited even though there’s a low chance for some Kratos action.
@@TheNaturex20 In Game Award 2022 Chris J (Kratos) said to Loki voice actor
that "just dont be a scumbag" and loki voice actor smirk face in camera but in Game director interview he said "Loki just act like teenager and do mis
take untill he was forgiven by his father like a family game" in other case the character just control the writer as there was writer who being control by fictional character to write the story that never intent by the writer themself that loki from the game is real and watching the players all the time that play his game.
I'm wondering how Loki will fare in the Egyptian pantheon because in Ancient Egypt. It's not about Good VS Evil, it's more Order VS Chaos.
@@K1ng1995 Soul Caliber aleady had Order & Chaos setting and Kratos once fight in soul caliber before (Broken destiny)
@@TheNaturex20 yea I’m making a theory detailing where he’ll go next and who he’ll encounter on reddit. I’ll lyk when it’s done
I thought I was the only one that felt like he might be hiding someone and will really be a villain in the future.
A villain with a over powered father is dangerous
“Brok and Sindri are the people who got the worst from the wrath of Loki” - Gotta admit. Laughed out loud when I heard that 🤣🤣
You must be the reincarnation of heimdall cause you basically said what he said. A lot of the bad things that happened in the game were because of Atreus. A lot of people don’t see because the writers don’t set that kind of tone. But they definitely sprinkled hints letting us know he was gonna be a problem. Look at how he was acting in GOW 2018 once he found out he was a god. Even mimir told kratos to keep an eye on him 😂.
Or you’re both wrong. Humble beast? And you go straight to, “I’m right, therefore , I must me the reincarnation of the most bad ass, smartest god from this game. I suspect you’re also not a beast 😂
@@noahscott7272 what are you even saying?
I would have loved if they kept the original ragnarok instead of changing it to only asgard to really show how loki is knowing his actions would destroy entire realms but only caring about destroying odin
@@durrangodsgrief6503 that’s the route I thought they would go. The subtle ways his future was being portrayed in 2018, and even ragnorok, made it seem like he would bring about the destruction of all 9 realms. But they gave us the happy ending which I’m not mad at. Cause I actually like how Atreus/ Loki’s story turned out.
@@humblebeast9813 to me it would have been better if they gathered the survivors in midgard and tried to rebuild from their like in the original myths
I always got the vibe that Loki was doing a bunch of these acts subconsciously as it becomes more intentional as the game goes on. Great content btw
And it also makes sense considering In some cut content of god of war ragnorok when kratos plunged the blades into surtur’s heart it didn’t create ragnorok so we went to find surtur’s wife and Loki lied to her saying that Odin was the one who killed surtur to start ragnorok
That whole segment Atreus seemed too happy to be there Ngl
@@TheNaturex20 gow become soft it wasnt afraid if showing kratos wasn't the hero that he was no better than the gods he despised and caused the deaths of thousands in his rage even the act of using that innocent girl to block the gate when he could have done anything else and it's one of the reasons I honestly dont like current gow making the gods purely evil, the giants purely good making Atreus a good guy with little nuances besides his own obsession and fuck ups
@@durrangodsgrief6503 wrong. The original Trilogy did its best to make sure that everyone knew how bad the gods were. Kratos was a pawn. Olympiad gods were literal mustache twirling villians.
@@kyzersoze8408 There is still the whole 'Pandora's Box affected the gods' defense.
@@durrangodsgrief6503 Agreed. I wanted to see evil giants. I wanted to see Angraboda betray Loki.
I feel like the heimdall quote was specific to asgard. I want to say that most of what he did in the story was just his childish recklessness but what he did to odin and asgard in general was definitely true to loki. He used his first ticket to asgard to get odin to reveal his main goal, then once odin realized he NEEDED loki to accomplish said goal, loki knew he could do whatever the fuck he wanted. The lying and manipulation was of odin, and the burning city is asgard.
That being said, this was a nice perspective and it would be interesting if in the next game his lying and manipulation becomes more overt, and he becomes odin 2.0/true loki.
That’s what I’m predicting to happen in the future
And imagine of kratos has to fight his own son because he is turned evil
Nah, Atreus likely won’t go full Villain Loki.
Kratos taught him better than that… right?
@@zsu-23-4shilka2 We will see.
Naw, how? You heard what he said about Loki and Chaos. That's a character glaw that can't be changed. He loves it.
The theory floating around that Sindri is being set up for a villain arc has always felt too easy/obvious.
I feel like a way more true to form development would be Atreus continuing to spread chaos while everyone around him stays fooled like "oh, the kid doesn't mean anything by it." Meanwhile Sindri is the only one who understands what harm the kid's capable of...but who is gonna take the word of a grieving, broken dwarf over golden boy Atreus? Hm 🤔
I feel like people around him are gonna slowly realize Atreus is on some bs in the next game. It’s might start off as Sindri being a crazy person but people will slowly see what he’s talking about.
Here's a question that been itching at the back of my mind since the end of the game, "How can destroying an entire Realm in order to get to one man be called good or just?"
It ain’t . They evacuated those people outside the walls of Asgard but a lot of bystanders probably still got it. And the people who were evacuated gotta live in cold ass Midgard now.
@@TheNaturex20that one man was responsible for the oppression of peoples throughout nearly all of the 9 realms. We don’t know how many casualties there were but if the remaining realms thrive and recover then that will have been a net positive. The Asgardian refugees are free to live in the realms of their choice and some went to vanaheim.
@@luckoftheirish5662The hole game is about how fate is just a bunch of bull, wtf u talking about??
"I watch your mouth move and I see cities burning."
Cities, plural. Betting loki will be responsible for a lot more deicide in the future.
My suspicions too arise when he said to Surtr that he had "so much to live for." Boy had no business talking to a primordial fire giant like that.
When you think about it he is the god of mischief.
And the fact that he basically used Sindri
Facts
Bro just opened my eyes, I feel dumb af but it's always the subtle shit, you play as atreus so you want him to live and continue his plan. Even the player is manipulated
Kratos needed to use the Belt of Chaos on the God of Mischief
Odin was being over confident in his own manipulation skills, when Heimdall warned him Odin responded of "course he is, thats why he came but once he finds out why I asked him to come he will come around" which of course, Loki would not and thats why Heimdall was going to kill Loki as soon as he could do it in a way that reduced the risk of Odin being pissed off. Maybe without Thor taking the wrong end of the stick to what Sif was saying, she wanted to point out Odin was the problem but Thor focused his rage on Loki. Maybe if Loki didn't flee with the mask and stayed around Odin it might have gone differently.
I like this perspective I always thought it was him being childish and naive but alot of what loki did he had purpose behind it. Including lying to kratos to start the beginning of the game. I also thought it was interesting that the first time he traveled to ironwood he had vision memories of all the bad/God things he did in the past.
In actual nose mythology jormuggander, fenrir who has links to gamar, and Hel (rules over hell) all are lokis children who were wronged by Odin which Kickstart s ragnarok despite Odin trying to prevent it. It is fragmented prophecy that is inevitable so if we look at it from God of war standpoint there was no truly stopping ragnarok only diminishing its casualties where instead of three entire survivors they had time to help others. If that was atreus's plan then the only snag was what happened to brok. As in myth sure loki may be the drinking buddy who roasts everybody, but he was also the one to clean up literally a majority of the messes the aesir created and essentially scapegoated as a way to wash away any misdeeds. Holy shit that basically makes him a Jesus figure but that is the problem when your two best source materials date back to the 1300s after the region had been christianized. Some myths we know as unaffected due to Roman generals writing about it and some carvings still left as most traditions were passed on orally rather than written though this spin of him trying to be good isn't inaccurate from the surviving source material as it is even suggested loki us a title not a name like when Thor and loki go party at utgard Loki's place who is a master illusionist that humiliates Thor yet makes Thor look bad ass at the same time by having him fight an old lady that is literally the personification of death itself and just the fact he lasted three minutes was enough for him to go oh balls I took the joke too far.
Bro I see this comment and think that I’m about to get roasted but instead my dumbass just got educated
I see people talking about How Loki is manipulating The events but he was more of a Chaos Guy, he isn't a good manipulator he Just Works behind The scenes unseen ( and even Then It doesn't work everytime, Thor's Hammer as an example)
I agree with mos't of your points but mos't of the problems Loki is called to solve are ones he himself ended up causing.
''i just want answers'' odin : ''wear the mask and get answers'' , *breaks it*
Because he chose to be better, Odin didn’t.
They always talked about "answers" and I was like..for what questions? What was on his fooking mind?
THANK YOU NATURE904!!! I said this in Reddit and they downvoted me to OBLIVION!
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I have a feeling Santa Monica is trying to set up an Anakin Skywalker type character arch for Atreus/Loki. If you notice in the Ragnarok game Atreus dreams about the MASK before he even has it in his possession. During this dream sequence we go back to all the evil and nasty things Atreus did/said in the 2018 game. Remember when some of these things happened Atreus said he didn't remember or it didn't even feel like it was him saying/doing these things.
To me it seemed like in this dream the mask was actually calling out to him. To further delve into this theory, even Odin in a terrified state said only the "CHAMPION OF THE JOTNAR CAN PUT ON THE MASK"...meaning Odin knew MUCH more about this than he let on. This isn't over. This mask will return more than likely and an adult Atreus while on a journey to find the rest of the Jotnar may not like what he sees. Going back to what I said about the Anakin Skywalker story arch...when Anakin's mother died in his arms he slaughtered an entire village of people.
Atreus's powers are still manifesting. Bro legit TOUCHED ODIN THE ALL-FATHER and said SOOFFFTAAA...and removed his SOUL. Atreus at 16/17 is NOT just a regular God we've seen in this series. This is Zeus's grandson with Jotnar blood...he's going to be a PROBLEM. lol
Yo that scene when he was a kid being a menace I legit had forgot to mention. I was gonna make the point that he never really changed from that time and he just got better at hiding it. It’s like when people don’t feel bad for the things they’ve done, but they feel bad when they get a negative response to it. That’s exactly what I feel like Atreus is in a way.
@@TheNaturex20 EXACTLY....little entitled fucker. Even Angrboda's grandmother...wtf are you destroying grown folks property for?? And you're absolutely right. Heimdall said it ALL...I see cities burning to the ground when your lips move. He wasn't even going to come back because of disobeying his entire "family"...as you said he only returned when he needed his father to clean up his mess. What kind of mess do you think he's going to create as a young adult??? Have a gut feeling Atreus is going to eventually seek out the mask and when it is on he's going to do unspeakable things. However the mask will make his power almost omnipotent. He's going to hide the fact that he has the mask. This will slowly split his psyche in two until ultimately the mask controls him. Kratos may have to kill him possibly?
That's why he's Loki, totally intentional, they had plans to make him even more Loki with the Brok thing, but they left that out
I mean it would be accurate to Norse mythology… holy shit has this been THE most accurate depiction of Loki this whole time
Bro that smite loki profile pic got me in tears
yeahh… Odin really was on his Dutch Van Der Linde 💀
depends on where you stand, any character you see in game could be the villain. villain is just a pov.
I agree with that actually. I made this video with the purpose of expressing a certain pov you can look at the game from.
Did everyone forget he’s Loki 😅
It's the fact that everyone is so passive around the fact of war that Atreus comes off as a villain. If anything once Freya is free she becomes more of a hero than Kratos because he will spend the entire game terrified of even laying a finger on Asgard until the last dream sequence but Freya will immediately try and actively protect Vanaheim and the Vanir. She really deserved to be called the general of Ragnarok more than Kratos with all she did leading up to it
True that man Kratos wanted to go home half of the time. Freya was really down wit it the whole time.
Well that’s because kratos knew the consequences to killing gods. He literally destroyed the world in the original trilogy and he’s scared he’s gonna mess shit up even more
@@zupaj11 True that but like
The world is ending anyway due to Ragnarok. This is like the one time the world ends no matter what and at least this way the destruction was only on Asgard
@@Mario-us5xm I definitely agree, I think kratos was being a little bitch. Odin is so obviously evil and NEEDS to die. I just like to understand where he’s coming from because he does have a good reason to be cautious.
@@zupaj11 I think it was moreso him beimg tired of bloodshed, only doing so once when it was necesary.
He killed only one person (Baldur) and it caused him to almost die on Thor's hands. So he's probably just terrified of Atreus' safety.
I just wishes he fully understood they were in danger anyway sooner
Imagine how sad it would be if kratos has to kill his own son one day
Most likley the prophecy still true but I think Atreus will get Kratos killed and then Loki will be at full effect evil
@@luckoftheirish5662 👏👏👏
It would be another Zeus vs Kratos moment but instead, it would be Kratos vs Atreus/Loki and Loki come out victorious in my opinion that would be so fucking bad ass and it’s continuing the generational prophecy or curse how ever you wanna put it
That’s the god of Mischief for you 💁🏾♂️
He _is_ Loki, after all, no matter if he wasn't part of the Asgard family.
This is the best deconstruction of any god of war character ever and it ain’t even 10 minutes long
Tbh Arteus is the villian in my eyes. He spent the entirety of Ragnorok bashing his father, acting as if he knew better than Kratos. He brought fake Tyr into their home and Sindri lost Brok. It has nothing to do with Kratos, everything in the game is purely Aretus’s fault.
Kratos even spent the game trying to get his son to cut it out. 100% all the events in Ragnorok were caused by Arteus. Kratos had nothing to do with it.
Your argument is ok at face value but has far too many holes. He wanted to adventure etc. Because his dad implied they would after he was ready and the information his mother had given him. And he had no idea aof his lineage through half of this, which he would need in order to make your argument.
Odin manipulated things by giving the boy some information, knowing he would be curious for more. and that through him, he could have a shield against a more powerful god in Kratos, as they make it pretty clear the greek gods were the Superiors of the Norse in power and ability.
and use the knowledge obtained through the prophecy/Atreus to truly become the real embodiment of what "all-father" represents.
He had thor rile up Kratos to bring him back to his old ways so Atreus would see a unhinged man compared to himself as the helpful understanding one. And aggravating her further as you imply would do the opposite of what you say he intended.
Another MASSIVE hole to your entire idea would have required him to know the full power of Kratos, which he didn't for the majority of this manipulation.
He also clearly didn't need the weapon to beat Heim. He was winning well before that to the shock and dismay of Heim. Which is why he was in such shock he thought it was luck. As his ability has a GLARING weakness in that all one need do is think of 1 action while instinct performs another. Which he would be susceptible too and would then make his power absolutely worthless because it's no more accurate than not having it at all, and based on how much he relies on it for everything in life, would become a weakness.
There are multiple points in the story that prove the Norse gods are weak. They can't go back in time, like the fate sisters could. Odin is not able to teleport without restriction. Where not only can Zeus do so but he can do so with an aspect of himself. Odin can only morph into those he imprisoned, unlike the shifter gods of Greece like Zeus. It is outright said that the greek gods always looked down on the Norse. And couple that with the fact they supposedly own the realm of midgard (earth) but in fact only control a small portion of it, despite being conquerors and not stepping a foot in greece. Shows they were inferior and and Odins Conquering nature is precisely why he wants the infinite knowledge because with that he thinks he can trully become a representation of "all-father."
Then you have the fact Kratos only has a fraction of his godly powers, and nowhere near the fire power through weaponry he had before and yet was able to beat a god famed to be untouchable much less unkillable in heim. And then later went on to solo Thor, and then be the primary factor to beat Odin back to back. 2 of arguably the most powerful gods in all of Norse mythology. Where as Kratos with a large amount of incredible weaponry struggled with many of the greek Pantheon.
You see that’s what I don’t like about the Norse Pantheon. Why did they have to be considerably weaker than the Greek Pantheon. This is one of the reasons why I found them unsatisfying as an opposing force to Kratos and Atreus. There were too many holes in their game considering that we went the entirety of the 2018 story hyping these gods up just for them to be wiped out so quickly.
And while I still believe there to be some truths in my argument, I only see it as an interesting perspective to look at the story from. And the actions of Loki can gain even worse consequences if he continues to act so recklessly (if you see him as a good guy that is)
@@TheNaturex20 I'm not sure, I'd have liked them to have made midgard it's own location showing Kratos leaving earth to go there. And make them a worthy foe. It had a strong story but as far as a game making you think there was a challenge, it kinda fell flat in my eyes as well.
And I agree. I also think (theory nothing definitive outside of how the previous story telling has went) that the various times Atreus turned to be the aspects of gods that Kratos hates the most is going to actually lead to a point (and imo the finale for Kratos) where he and Atreus become enemies.
And I can see something like where Kratos sacrifices himself in some manner in order to save his son in the end which then brings him a need for redemption and he likely take up the mantle for the future games after that in his fathers name. But only time will tell how everything plays out.
In any case thanks for the reply, and like I said nice job on constructing the theory. It definitely has its potential for validity, even if it might have some strong counter reasonings against it. Keep up the good work.
1. The sisters of fate are more powerful than mos't Greek gods as well and mos't gods could not travel back in time like they could.
2. Odin's shape shifting abilities are not made enitrely in game but it is not just those he imprisoned the reason he has them there is so that there is no risk of them dying and so that he can keep track of where they are.
3. Midgard is not Earth, Earth in the Gow continuity is made of all the different pantheons and the gods themselves in these instances only rule the areas of which their historical religions were present in.
4 It is NEVER stated that Kratos uses a fraction of his god powers.
5. Kratos needed Draupnir specifically to kill Heimdall, without it he would not have succeded.
6. Kratos needed to use EVERY trick he had to beat Thor. The Leviathan Axe, The Blades of Chaos, Draupnir and even his knife to take down Thor. In their first fight Thor even killed Kratos.
7. Kratos was close to loosing twice against Odin, had Freya and Atreus not helped him he would have los't.
I respect your opinion and I do agree that the Greek gods arguably possesed more powerful magic but it would be incorrect to state that the Norse gods are weak.
@@callofghidorah1158 Doesn't matter, they are still under the greek hierarchy, which makes them their asset.
2. we're not going by other sources, we're going from GoW. And you're 100% wrong. They outright say he can only SS into someone so long as they're alive. That inherently shows a weaker form of the ability than Zeus and others in the greek pantheon.
3.It's not, go re play the games and watch the storyline. Midgard is represented as earth, the other realms are in a different aspect of reality.
4. He never gained 100% of his powers back from the pre Norse GoW games... He is definitely a fraction, not to mention his lack of his various weaponry which helped make him the GoW he was at his peak.
5. Obviously not as he was choked to death. The weapon was only there to give him an edge. But considering what took place in the battle, it was clearly not needed. The whole aspect that was the challenge was would Kratos be able to hit him. He clearly was able to achieve that with or without the spear.
6. ... It's like you didn't even pay attention in the game. The Kratos Thor beat wasn't the god version of Kratos, he was a lesser man. Hence why Thor fought him to bring out that old Kratos. The whole goal was to win over his son, which would have been done had Kratos given into his rage. Which was the whole concept of the game of him overcoming and learning from his past to become the real god he had always tried to be but always went about things in the worst way possible.
7. You don't know that, and nothing that took place was beyond anything Kratos was able to handle in the past.
I never once said they were weak, I said they were weak in comparison to Kratos and the greek gods. Please don't put words in my mouth.
I knew this the second Heimdall mentioned it
I like what you did there. Mad props!
Not sure if I'm 100% on what you're drinkin' but you do make some interesting points. Atreus definitely masters the act of speaking out of both sides of his mouth in this game, whether he's completely conscious of it or not. And I do believe he at least mildly manipulates everyone's view of him as a confused, emotionally charged adolescent. I mean, teenagers, right!?! I think Heimdall's call-out is an important piece of this puzzle, possibly getting us closer to what's really going on in Atreus' mind.
Op told the truth.
He always said that sometimes you run better on chaos.
6:28 Loki didn't even show up to broks funeral ⚱️ ⚰️ that alone makes me want to take this whole video seriously 😒😳
Odin: I don't want Ragnarök
Mimir: My brother in Valhalla, Your psycho son was pursuing Kratos and Atreus.
He was also gonna lie to Sinmara and get her ass caught up in it after Surtr died lol
This video is what an Aesir propaganda video would look like.
You’re goddamn right
I do wanna point this out. I don’t think Kratos’s redemption arc will ever be over until he goes back to Greece and REBUILDS what he DESTROYED. It just can’t happen and there’s too much of a dissonance there.
Also, Elden Ring doesn’t suck.
That would be pretty interesting to see but I doubt that’s gonna happen with the direction they are leading to. I wouldn’t mind to be wrong about that one though.
…Elden Rings mid
@@TheNaturex202022 games trash af in general
2:52 this is the perfect summary of Odin and Loki relationship in the myths
That would be a great ending sindri is hunting down Loki but kratos and the players see Loki as a victim but then in the end Loki reveals that he actually has bad intentions and sindri gets murdered by Loki right in front of kratos frey mimir And anyone there and kratos is forced to kill Loki and has to relive the loss of a family member again
Loki is Odin but tempered by compassion, he knew deep down that Odin was a dangerous man too dangerous to keep alive or remain the same, it doesn’t take much to manipulate a manipulator who is loosing control or even people who had to deal with the manipulator who saw through the manipulation so ragnorok was only a test of his ability but I think if he goes to Egypt he will have to deal with actual powerhouse manipulators and leaders at their peak or so they appear, to maintain this idea once in Egypt is to literally follow through with the story of Moses and that means Atreus is going to fuck up with the current pharaoh
That's an interesting idea. Maybe Moses refused to listen to God, and God chose Atreus to destroy the Pharaoh instead.
Or maybe have the Plagues be the result of Atreus killing the Egyptian Pantheon, effectively putting him in the same shoes as Kratos in GoW 1-3.
@@callofhaloinfinite6336 didn’t think of it like that but that’s definitely better
Naw. Watch Loki and Kratos fight.
The RD2 comparison was great. You nailed that.
Next game going be Atreus getting Kratos killed then being the next god of war, I think Odin may still be alive as Atreus probably switched ball, the prophecy is still real. Next game can be called Loki: The God of War and Mischief
5:29 when odin says “is it lokis doing” even he knows
Everyone likes to talk about Atreus being relatable and misunderstood, but I could never trust him. Even when he was arguably in the right I knew he was up to something devious
Yeah I love Atreus's character but the people saying " oh he's just being a kid" Jesus Christ if this is how normal children act then holy hell. Heimdall said that Atreus was willing to manipulate ANYONE to get what he wants. Atreus goes the whole game acting like he was trying to stop his dad from being killed but all he actually wanted was to know more about who Loki was suppose to be and trying to figure out everything about the Giants. All of his actions were for himself. Atreus even says out loud" He has what I need!" about Odin. Every mission Atreus did for Odin was to find out more about the giants, he manipulated everyone including Kratos to get what he wanted.
@@soullessginger9912 it creeps me out just thinking about it
@@luckoftheirish5662 and comments like this ignore the fact he didn't break the mask until basically the end of the game. And then at the end Atreus leaves Kratos and Freya to clean up his mess so he can find more giants LOL. And that's who Loki is, sneaky, conniving, will do anything to get what he wants. He literally went the whole game acting like he was doing it for his father but he was doing it for himself, I don't care what he did at the end of the game, he literally only had selfish intentions for basically the entirety of the game. Loki is called the god of mischief for a reason man lol.
@@luckoftheirish5662 The Brok funeral sidequest was his mess since he driving force to bringing Tyr in. And the kid forced Surtur to destroy himself when he wanted no part of the war. Pretty selfish if you ask me
@@luckoftheirish5662 well we are talking about video game characters and the way we interpret their actions not real people, so the odd aggresive defense of a fictional child who at the very least had to talk Surtur into giving up the love of his life for prophecy sake is very telling. And just because Kratos said Atreus tries to help Atreus through his guilt doesnt change his part in what happened. Very fascinating indeed
I think he has the best intentions but what he does unknowingly affects the people closes to him. Yes he tried to trick the Asgardians But Odin is always one step ahead. But I agree that Atreus doesn’t get enough consequences rather they bounce on those closes to him.
Lol. The God of mischief with the best intentions? Did you not just hear Heimdall tell you his intentions? He said he is only serving himself. They gave you a hint that he is the future villain. Watch.
@@quintonmiller8266 Heimdall also claims to only see the wors't in people yet he for some reason puts up with all the shit Odin has done, are you sure you wan't to use him as your primary source? On top of that Loki isn't necessarily evil in Norse Mythology, mos't of the things he does come from ignorance, stupidity and underestimating the situation.
This whole video feels like it was made my Odin from beyond the grave 😭
You will come back to this vid in time and call this guy a genius. I can't believe you can't see the truth in it. Listen to Heimdall tell you about Loki.
Awesome video man,
Keep up the good work!
Damn every human in the world is like Atreus 🤣💀
GOW 2018 (kratos can’t talk to Atreus about his past) + GOWR (Atreus can’t talk to kratos about tyr and kratos’ death) = another panetheon brought down
Well that is why his mother name him Loki
Honestly, I feel like heimdall was hinting for what the future holds for Atreus as well. He says that he’s practically chaos walking around, and if the writers decide to they can make Atreus turn a little bit more into how Loki is portrayed as in mythology. Would be cool :)
That would be hella cool and would make perfect sense
I don't think you understand that Odin doesn't care about anyone else. All he wants is the answers. Whatever he has to do, whomever he has to ally with or betray, he wants whatever answers are inside that Rift, and only Loki can use the mask to look inside as far as he knows. So, start Ragnarok, stop Ragnarok, whatever has to happen to see, to know. He just wants to use Loki as a looking glass, whatever has to happen to keep him on Odin's side, he'll make that happen. Of course he lets him off the hook for literally everything. He doesn't care about Asgard, or he'd have prioritized keeping Gjallarhorn inside it, because he knew Kratos was going for Heimdall. But he doesn't care.
That is close to my first theory of Faye just using Kratos and Atreus for her own revenge.
But Atreus isn’t without reason Loki so that Video has Good points
Atreus even did a little trolling to Odin lol
That's some interesting take from this video bro. Great job man pointed out some crucial points.
Atreus was the villain of the story but they ruined it after Heimdall. They were so focused on Peace and trying to make save Atreus's character that they retconned half of his Loki actions. I was so hype watching him try to start this when obviously Odin and everyone else didn't want it. But they then just did a complete random flip for no context reason and Odin became the true evil. But for no literal reason. He didn't take his Dio Mask and he didn't have any real reason to be a spy because it wasn't story-wise addressed. He made the Trickster god look like the joke himself. I thought maybe it could be saved by Kratos doing the mural scene half the game was making drama over but that never happened and instead of the wolf doing the lore thing, Sindri comes and ugh.
The first half was so good then they just said screw Atreus
I agree the first half started off so strong idk where tf it went afterwards
@@TheNaturex20 Thor especially was pretty much over hyped in the beginning and the end was like… really? Like that? Ok game.
@@ItsTheBocchiInShadow Thor…. Omg we gon talk about him in a minute
@@TheNaturex20 bro to me their are many issue with the story and is one of the reasons I didn't want the gods to be the pure evil of the story
I think their main problem was they were going to kill Kratos in this game which would mean they would have had to make Atreus more like Loki anyway but people didn't want Kratos to die so they changed it. Thats honestly what I think happened lol
good youtuber 👍👍
Got a thumbs up purely on that why you should whoop your kids line! 😂
I have only one thing to say when it comes to ending of gow ragnarok... Fuck you angrboda for making me grind for hours for atreus XP just for him to leave at the end.
LMAO
I love the trove music just playing in the backround.
He acts almost entirely like actual mythology loki lol
Loki in myth does most of his ill advised pranks looking for amusement. Atreus does it unconsciously.
5:35 ah hell nah 😂 sub gained fr
Holy fucking shit you really might be onto somethin, didn't see that about loki till now.
This is quality stuff my guy
Another 🔥🔥🔥 Vid Brother.
You had me in stitches, also, that Dutch/Odin comparison is 100% accurate.
Mob Boss Odin IS garbage, Loki IS a manipulative little asshole and Elden Ring really does still suck.
Can't wait to see Atreus visit another Pantheon without his over-powered Daddy to fix all his mistakes.
Appreciate the love. And I can’t wait either. I really wonder what this Trickster will truly evolve into.
Yeah Loki is an anti hero. I'm sure everyone kind of saw that. The game sure did make it seem that he was the one causing all of this
😭bro was playing everybody like a fiddle
I think Atreus is a sneaky bastard at manipulation, because while on the surface he's always trying to appear innocent or completely in the right, he's blatantly lied to people to exploit their care for him or shown sociopathic behavior like when he killed a weak Modi in cold blood and barely showed any real reaction to it beyond anger and self-justification.
(Kratos goes to Egypt)
Yahweh: Kratos, I have a job for you.
This is an interesting viewpoint. I was so fixated on Odin and his manipulation that it did not occur to me that this little turd was behind all of the events 😃
Aye, you weren’t meant to. As the God of Mischief he’s doin his job lol
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Like are we gonna forget EVERYTHING HEIMDOL SAID ABOUT HIS INTENTIONS
@@luckoftheirish5662 and it was but he also said a lot of negative things about his intentions but we’ve only seen childish acts from Atreus to call him those terrible things atreus must’ve really had his own though process through the game that the player is
Not aware of
@@luckoftheirish5662 I think kratos is still a monster just not an ugly one ya know
@@luckoftheirish5662 no I understand it I just believe at anytime or when someone kratos love is in harm he will quickly go back to the mister he once was he said that to Odin
@@godofwarlorefather3749my previous comments on this thread were hostile. I apologize.
This man just pulled a MatPat
if Loki going through puberty caused Ragnarok imagine what an ADULT Loki would cause
Adult Loki is in Marvel Ultimate Alliance
@@hurricane7727 Get that stupid marvel outta here
@@doomboi4675 That Version of Loki is Like His Myth Counterpart
Okay but when Kratos stepped up to his son that was kinda wholesome…ngl….
I agree with that one a little bit
Good job 👍
He basically told surtur to off himself thats then I stoped caring abt him
Kratos is gonna come full circle; his unthinking bloodlust killed his wife and child, he becomes overprotective of his next child only to have to put him down. Just a theory.
Bruh... i also felt that he is very childish on the outside but actually a very good manipulator on the inside
Felt so sad for Brok and Sindri
Would Love to see Kratos fight the Evil trikster o.p Loki who has learned war from the GOD OF WAR himself and has nearly every magic that the 9 realms hold
Very interesting take...
Btw during the whole saga, specially the younger Attreus i was sooo fucking infuriated by the massive fuckups he did
Even shooting his own father and rendering him open to attack by Freya's son Baldur
Then blaming Kratos for "breaking the bridge" 🤡🤡🤡🤡
hummmm, thinking this way makes the story bearable. realy good point man
I'm just saying kratos can kill heimdall without the spear. if we go by lore my man can catch hermies a god with infinite speed😂
I don’t doubt it . It’s get kinda iffy when we look at the gameplay and take it literal to the lore. Which is exactly what I did lol. I’m thinking that lore wise it would be a stalemate or something.
Yep he fucked up on not some insignificant proportions
Throughout the game, he's been trying to plan out how to start Ragnarok. Even from the beginning when Odin and Thor told him what he was up to and Kratos was caught off guard with those comments. He even called Kratos an ass hole. He should have gotten an ass beating. There! Ragnarok averted! The end!
Pretty interesting but it does make sense. This dude always seems to get atleast 1-2 villain arcs per GOW. I could def see this as some fucked up 4D chess play where Kratos has to confront him.
Me too, and I thought that Bjorn fight was crazy. Fighting a conscious Atreus would be something else.
If kratos beat atreus atreus would be dead
Imagine if that's how the game started, when Atreus turned into that bear and got beaten down by Kratos. Maybe he would've gone to Freya and begged her to revive his son in exchange for his own life.
Great thinking!
I love this take. Throughout the whole game, I felt like Kratos was getting shit on a bit too much, just for being careful about war! This guy knows more about warfare than anyone in this game, except maybe true Tyr. Atreus getting what he wants seems like re-confirmation of his destructive biases.
As Kratos said, Atreus will remain, while Loki might travel elsewhere. Imagine a God of War game, in which you play as an Egyptian character, or perhaps a Mayan or Roman. There is some "invisible figure" who is quietly manipulating the local gods and goddesses. You fight your way past the puppets, and reach the true instigator; a completely masked-up Loki with the power of the Rift.
Kind of Like Marvel Ultimate Alliance Loki Who Also Did some Trickster Stuff too.
If atreus is a manipulator, then who do you expect he got that from the greek gods, of course, who were certified manipulators I'm not sure about his mother
I do see the resemblance of manipulation between Atreus and the Greek Gods. People like Athena and Ares come to mind so he could’ve gotten it from them. Personally though, I think it’s his own nature adopted for the means of survival. Because he’s definitely not a powerful god as of right now.
Heimdall don’t Deserve the hate
I HAVE BEEN WAITING ON AN ANALYZING ATRUS VIDEO