Whether or not it blocks EMP unlike radio singal where it blocks the signal with EMP the cage blocks the EMP but the cage still becomes charged so you still have to isolate what you put in it from touching the shield. I would put your stuff in a small dry bag then put it in your shielded bag. Good luck
If you want to protect a small HT like that, you don't need a Faraday shield. Just take the antenna off. That's how EMP will get into it. EMP is RF, after all, and the power is mostly at frequencies below where the radio works. It's too small to pick up much electric field without the antenna. OTOH, if you want to keep your cellphone unmonitored, that's a way to keep it from blabbing on you. (My perspective? Retired RF engineer. Worked in aviation; military for 18 years, civil for 20. EMP was something I studied.)
Hey there! I appreciate the tips. This was more of a test to see if the products performed as advertised. I search for new products and before I put my name near a company I want to make sure that they do what they say and say what they do. I think adding any thing that can protect an investment such as what we spend in ham radio is a good thing. Thank you for watching and for the comment. 73!
What about portable electric generators and other non-coms devices - how do you protect those? In light of what you said, do they likewise not require a faraday bag? Just Unplug them?
@@sayNotoBrooklyn83 The most dangerous thing a generator will face is stuff coming over the powerlines. Powerlines are mile after mile of what's basically an antenna (same with phone lines). It would be safer to not have a generator connected to the house power in any way. Is that enough? I think so, but it's not my life I'm betting. Since you're specifically asking about a portable generator, you probably don't need to think about wires from it to a transfer switch like the more permanent back up generators, but how well that transfer switch will protect a generator from the house power lines is a big unknown.
Nice! Thanks for the review. I just got this yesterday and was running a few tests. I wish I would have seen this video before buying! I mean I got it anyway and am happy but seeing your review and tests reinforced that I made a good purchase! Thanks!
what app do you use for test? BTW the waterShed military small pouch is best, applicable for scuba deep usage based on the embedded valve. But as they dont sell it to private person I have to go for this one. Only because its double water seal. Normally just a small mu-metal fiber cover is enough to protect from anything emp like but as waterShed is not selling it (only for special forces as you can carry amo deep under water ensuring it wont fail while using on surface). Some dudes use mu-metal fiber bags to cover modern car keys from signal spoofing (e.g. m5 competition is mostly stolen via antenna and radio signal spoofing). Looking forward to what extend it is really submersible
If you go to their website, they have an app you can download and use for the test. This seems to be a pretty good little bag. No bells and whistles. Let me know what you think if you get one. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
I have quite a few mission darkness, and a couple of go dark bags. I love them all. The only thing is as you use the regularly, the fibers that block the magnetic field due break, and they start allowing signals in. The biggest issue I had was with key fob bags breaking. go dark key fob. I’ve been carrying that one now for about a month and I love it. I’ve started after I start my vehicle, putting my key fob in the holder and it immediately comes up. Tell me key fob has left the vehicle. It does not affect the vehicle performance once it started though.
They are great bags! I am in talks with them now about maybe a larger design for ham radio operators to carry various equipment like a base station with power supply and accessories. Video should be coming out soon on what I find. If you decide to go with one of these keep in mind the dimensions on the inside. I think I would be able to fit an HT, cell phone and a couple backup batteries for the HT and that would be about it. Thanks for watching. 73!
Good review. I like MD. The problems with those bags is the faraday fabric is exposed so every time you use it it wears the fabric off. It is also has much less space than it looks and those bags are more like sacks that everything is mixed inside.
It is definitely a cool little item. They have a complete line of products for just about everything you can think of. Glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching. 73!
I have had my Mission Darkness bags for three years. i have the oneyou show in the video and two water proof type larger bags that were 90.00 each. the fabric STOPPED working - it no longer protects from the EMF - the phones ring in the bags....
Thanks for letting me know because I have been unable to find a good faraday bag for my phone and my laptop. I’ve already sent three back. All I do is stick on a RUclips like this and stick it inside the bag and close it up and I can still hear it. There’s a lot of scam stuff out there for sure… This is a helpful video!
I have been hearing similar reports about the bags failing. I have since cut off my ties with Mission Darkness until they can prove better quality and proof of concept on their claims. Sorry you had that issue with yours! Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
The problem i see with ALL faraday bags and claims of working ones is that it is very hard to prove effectiveness. The idea is sound, but unless you have an EMP generator, you can't really prove they work. In an actual emergency, if the bag failed, then what? Not like you can go sue the company for false advertising. So my suggestion is research a much as you can and maybe build your own enclosure. Too many scams out there that will gladly take your money and not deliver. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
would have been good to try texting the phone to see if that works as texting on iphones are via data and not cellular. Also if the "find my iphone" app works
I may have to give that a try. Since this video there have been mixed reviews on its effectiveness, so I am on the fence about it as of now. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
Fantastic! I think you will enjoy that bag. I am still working with them to produce a bag that would accommodate ham radio operators to fit their rigs and other items as well. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
You may misunderstand the purpose of the bag. It is for EMP signal protection, not a direct strike from electrical current. For EMP, it seems to work just fine. Nothing will survive a direct contact electrical surge. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
Heard that these types of bags (regardless of mfg) don't last very long and eventually leaks signals. Have you done any long-term testing with it? Curious if you've been using it regularly and if it is still working over a year and a half later.
I still have the bags and they seem to work just fine so far. It has been a while since this video and the bag is still in brand new condition to this day, but I also take really good care of my gear as well. There is a chance that over time these could degrade as with anything, but so far so good. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
I've had my Mission Darkness bag, the exact one used in this video for about 1.5 years. It just stopped working.......I've treated it well and it looks brand-new. It cost me $95 + for this thing. I'm pretty pissed. I'll make my own next time if I have to pay $100 bucks a year for a bag. What a rip-off. I'd rather they charge $180 and have something reliable for at least five years. You can make one with a metal window screen....so that's what I'll do.
These are great bags for your back up phones & comms equipment. Protection from EMPs is a must these days, I say back up equipment because an EMP can happen at any time. If you happen to be using the equipment during an EMP or solar event, it will be out of the bag, and obviously unprotected.
I figured I would take the plunge...lol and see if they were all they claim to be. Seems to be the case here for sure. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
@@HR4NT thank you. I’m learning how EMP travels. It appears they travel like a big explosion of an invisible bubble growing growing grow until it reaches its max distance. It harms electrical currents as well as devices that are not hooked to electric grids such as phones or radios. So my thought is….how can a home EMP device hooking to a circuit breaker box prevent EMP damage, when those same devices (fridge, freezer, microwave, radio, desk top computer) also have the invisible bubble wave go through the devices just like it hits a cell phone in a pocket.
@@americandude3825 After researching smaller devices like that that fit on your car I have determined that they are less than useless for protecting you from EMP.
I have the Diamond RH77CA and a SMA to BNC adapter for quick removal or change if need be. I picked up the antenna from Ham Radio Outlet and the BNC adapter from Signal Stuff. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
Yeah I am not that thrilled with Mission Darkness any more. I have heard form others that they had quality issues and such. If you found a better solution, stick with it! Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
Sorry about that. Not much to the pouch. It has an inner lining that seals up and then the outer zipper to make it waterproof. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
@HR4NT yeah seen em in another test video some of the other don't seem to work at all they are hard to find here in ireland either way maybe I'll tin foil something instead
The test doesn't lie. No water got in and these are specially designed zippers that do not leak. As for the product, I have since changed my mind about them, and do not have coinfidence in their ability to block EMP. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
This exact bag from Mission Darkness stopped working for me after 1.5 years of ownership. Almost $100 -- I won't be buying any more of these. Mine still looks band-new......has no damage, rolls up tight, zips up tight and does not work. A rip-off. .
I have not had that same result with mine, however thank you for pointing that out to me. I will monitor the performance of my bag and see if I get similar results. I agree these are expensive and that for the price they should work and be reliable 100% of the time. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!!
If I am going to endorse an expensive product to my viewers, I am willing to put MY gear on the line to prove the point. I will never "kind of" demonstrate the good or bad of a product. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
I'm so tired of youtubers repeatedly say "you guys". I think it mostly has the opposite effect from their intentions. It definitely isn't helping me relate to anyone. It feels more generic. Plus the repetition is killing me.
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I noticed you put your wife's phone in the bag for the water test. You're a brave man.
Kinda had to...I was filming with my phone...LOL Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
Whether or not it blocks EMP unlike radio singal where it blocks the signal with EMP the cage blocks the EMP but the cage still becomes charged so you still have to isolate what you put in it from touching the shield. I would put your stuff in a small dry bag then put it in your shielded bag. Good luck
Thank you for that tip! 73!
If you want to protect a small HT like that, you don't need a Faraday shield. Just take the antenna off. That's how EMP will get into it. EMP is RF, after all, and the power is mostly at frequencies below where the radio works. It's too small to pick up much electric field without the antenna. OTOH, if you want to keep your cellphone unmonitored, that's a way to keep it from blabbing on you. (My perspective? Retired RF engineer. Worked in aviation; military for 18 years, civil for 20. EMP was something I studied.)
Hey there! I appreciate the tips. This was more of a test to see if the products performed as advertised. I search for new products and before I put my name near a company I want to make sure that they do what they say and say what they do. I think adding any thing that can protect an investment such as what we spend in ham radio is a good thing. Thank you for watching and for the comment. 73!
What about portable electric generators and other non-coms devices - how do you protect those? In light of what you said, do they likewise not require a faraday bag? Just Unplug them?
@@sayNotoBrooklyn83 The most dangerous thing a generator will face is stuff coming over the powerlines. Powerlines are mile after mile of what's basically an antenna (same with phone lines). It would be safer to not have a generator connected to the house power in any way. Is that enough? I think so, but it's not my life I'm betting. Since you're specifically asking about a portable generator, you probably don't need to think about wires from it to a transfer switch like the more permanent back up generators, but how well that transfer switch will protect a generator from the house power lines is a big unknown.
@SiglGraybeard what about the new 6th gen wifi signals? Nothing seems to block it as it was designed that way
Nice! Thanks for the review. I just got this yesterday and was running a few tests. I wish I would have seen this video before buying! I mean I got it anyway and am happy but seeing your review and tests reinforced that I made a good purchase! Thanks!
Glad I could help! Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
what app do you use for test?
BTW the waterShed military small pouch is best, applicable for scuba deep usage based on the embedded valve. But as they dont sell it to private person I have to go for this one. Only because its double water seal. Normally just a small mu-metal fiber cover is enough to protect from anything emp like but as waterShed is not selling it (only for special forces as you can carry amo deep under water ensuring it wont fail while using on surface). Some dudes use mu-metal fiber bags to cover modern car keys from signal spoofing (e.g. m5 competition is mostly stolen via antenna and radio signal spoofing).
Looking forward to what extend it is really submersible
If you go to their website, they have an app you can download and use for the test. This seems to be a pretty good little bag. No bells and whistles. Let me know what you think if you get one. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
I have quite a few mission darkness, and a couple of go dark bags. I love them all. The only thing is as you use the regularly, the fibers that block the magnetic field due break, and they start allowing signals in. The biggest issue I had was with key fob bags breaking. go dark key fob. I’ve been carrying that one now for about a month and I love it. I’ve started after I start my vehicle, putting my key fob in the holder and it immediately comes up. Tell me key fob has left the vehicle. It does not affect the vehicle performance once it started though.
That is very interesting. Thanks for the tip! Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
Great bag. I think I am going to look into getting a few of those for the POTA equipment and a mobile 2m/70cm rig.
They are great bags! I am in talks with them now about maybe a larger design for ham radio operators to carry various equipment like a base station with power supply and accessories. Video should be coming out soon on what I find. If you decide to go with one of these keep in mind the dimensions on the inside. I think I would be able to fit an HT, cell phone and a couple backup batteries for the HT and that would be about it. Thanks for watching. 73!
Good review. I like MD. The problems with those bags is the faraday fabric is exposed so every time you use it it wears the fabric off. It is also has much less space than it looks and those bags are more like sacks that everything is mixed inside.
Thanks man this was a really needed review, excellent product for a go bag!!
It is definitely a cool little item. They have a complete line of products for just about everything you can think of. Glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching. 73!
I have had my Mission Darkness bags for three years. i have the oneyou show in the video and two water proof type larger bags that were 90.00 each. the fabric STOPPED working - it no longer protects from the EMF - the phones ring in the bags....
Thanks for letting me know because I have been unable to find a good faraday bag for my phone and my laptop. I’ve already sent three back. All I do is stick on a RUclips like this and stick it inside the bag and close it up and I can still hear it. There’s a lot of scam stuff out there for sure… This is a helpful video!
I have been hearing similar reports about the bags failing. I have since cut off my ties with Mission Darkness until they can prove better quality and proof of concept on their claims. Sorry you had that issue with yours! Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
The problem i see with ALL faraday bags and claims of working ones is that it is very hard to prove effectiveness. The idea is sound, but unless you have an EMP generator, you can't really prove they work. In an actual emergency, if the bag failed, then what? Not like you can go sue the company for false advertising. So my suggestion is research a much as you can and maybe build your own enclosure. Too many scams out there that will gladly take your money and not deliver. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
would have been good to try texting the phone to see if that works as texting on iphones are via data and not cellular. Also if the "find my iphone" app works
I may have to give that a try. Since this video there have been mixed reviews on its effectiveness, so I am on the fence about it as of now. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
Thank you for making this video. I just bought the xl farady bag for my solar generator and solar blanket and a few other radios.
Fantastic! I think you will enjoy that bag. I am still working with them to produce a bag that would accommodate ham radio operators to fit their rigs and other items as well. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
Great review, Scott, thanks!
My pleasure! Glad you liked the video. 73!
I would have put some paper towel in the bag for the water test.
Good idea, I will do that next time! Thanks for the comment.
A please would be nice
Thanks for watching. 73
What I want to know is can I put a computer in a one of those and will it survive a direct hit from an electrical power line?
You may misunderstand the purpose of the bag. It is for EMP signal protection, not a direct strike from electrical current. For EMP, it seems to work just fine. Nothing will survive a direct contact electrical surge. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
I got my otal c ir laser, pvs14, radio, and sure fire flashlight in mine
They are great little bags...a bit pricey, but better than failed equipment if an EMP hits. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
Great review. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching. 73!
Heard that these types of bags (regardless of mfg) don't last very long and eventually leaks signals. Have you done any long-term testing with it? Curious if you've been using it regularly and if it is still working over a year and a half later.
I still have the bags and they seem to work just fine so far. It has been a while since this video and the bag is still in brand new condition to this day, but I also take really good care of my gear as well. There is a chance that over time these could degrade as with anything, but so far so good. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
I've had my Mission Darkness bag, the exact one used in this video for about 1.5 years. It just stopped working.......I've treated it well and it looks brand-new. It cost me $95 + for this thing. I'm pretty pissed. I'll make my own next time if I have to pay $100 bucks a year for a bag. What a rip-off. I'd rather they charge $180 and have something reliable for at least five years. You can make one with a metal window screen....so that's what I'll do.
Bags work for 3 months tops if u open once a day. Wish someone woyld make long term bags. Ive tryed them all😢
I have not opened my bag daily but thanks for the tip. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
Yeah I bought one and it doesn’t work after a year
That’s pretty slick
Yeah it turned out to be pretty awesome. Not cheap, but it seems to work and its waterproof. Thanks as always for watching. 73!
Great job Scott, the review was simple and to the point. Just what a person needs on Z-Day. ;-)
Glad it was helpful! I think it is a solid product. Thanks for watching. 73!
These are great bags for your back up phones & comms equipment. Protection from EMPs is a must these days,
I say back up equipment because an EMP can happen at any time. If you happen to be using the equipment during an EMP or solar event, it will be out of the bag, and obviously unprotected.
Very true. I think these would make an excellent additional accessory to any ham's equipment list. Thank you for watching and for the comment. 73!
I have been very curious about their stuff👍thank you!
I figured I would take the plunge...lol and see if they were all they claim to be. Seems to be the case here for sure. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
Wow. That's pretty impressive.
I thought so! They have a complete line of products for various things you want to protect. Thanks for watching. 73!
Does faraday protect against EMP?
Yes. A faraday cage (or enclosure) will provide your electronics protection from EMP. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
@@HR4NT thank you. I’m learning how EMP travels.
It appears they travel like a big explosion of an invisible bubble growing growing grow until it reaches its max distance.
It harms electrical currents as well as devices that are not hooked to electric grids such as phones or radios.
So my thought is….how can a home EMP device hooking to a circuit breaker box prevent EMP damage, when those same devices (fridge, freezer, microwave, radio, desk top computer) also have the invisible bubble wave go through the devices just like it hits a cell phone in a pocket.
@@americandude3825 After researching smaller devices like that that fit on your car I have determined that they are less than useless for protecting you from EMP.
Nice review.
Thank you. I think they will be valuable assets for anyone looking to protect their gear. Thanks for watching. 73!
What antenna did you have on the ft3?
I have the Diamond RH77CA and a SMA to BNC adapter for quick removal or change if need be. I picked up the antenna from Ham Radio Outlet and the BNC adapter from Signal Stuff. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
I bought military grade emp material and wrapped my generator in it. Much less cost than these guys. And I could have wrapped two 7kva jennys
Yeah I am not that thrilled with Mission Darkness any more. I have heard form others that they had quality issues and such. If you found a better solution, stick with it! Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
To test for waterproofness, put tissue paper not electronics in the bag.
Great tip! Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
Nice!!! Also you got a strong heartbeat as i hear it on my subwoofer.. LOL
LOL...did not know that! Thanks for watching. 73!
Nobody ever throws these bags into a microwave.
If your phone survives 10 seconds in a 800 watt microwave it will survive any EMP.
Interesting point. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
I will test anything I order.
As you should. Don't take my word for it. Due diligence is the key to success. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
She filmed you more than the item. Would like to see the pouch
Sorry about that. Not much to the pouch. It has an inner lining that seals up and then the outer zipper to make it waterproof. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!
Need one for my flashlights
They are OK, but I think they are overpriced. Look around and shop others to see what you can find. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
@HR4NT yeah seen em in another test video some of the other don't seem to work at all they are hard to find here in ireland either way maybe I'll tin foil something instead
I can hear your heart beating.
LOL...good mic setup...Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
Hey Scott,
Great testing brother. I think that would be a great bag for my Elecraft KX2 to replace the bag it comes in. Ham-Solo K0FYR
They also make a bag that is for a desktop system that would work fine for larger radios and power supplies, etc. Thanks for watching. 73!
IT'S NOT WATERPROOF. THAT'S BULLSHIT. ZIPPERS ARE NOT WATERPROOF.
The test doesn't lie. No water got in and these are specially designed zippers that do not leak. As for the product, I have since changed my mind about them, and do not have coinfidence in their ability to block EMP. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
@@HR4NT ALL WATERPROOF ITEMS INCLUDE A DEPTH RATING. BEST YOU CAN CLAIM IS WATER RESISTANT. THE TEST ISN'T A LIE, BUT THE CLAIM IS.
This exact bag from Mission Darkness stopped working for me after 1.5 years of ownership. Almost $100 -- I won't be buying any more of these. Mine still looks band-new......has no damage, rolls up tight, zips up tight and does not work. A rip-off.
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I have not had that same result with mine, however thank you for pointing that out to me. I will monitor the performance of my bag and see if I get similar results. I agree these are expensive and that for the price they should work and be reliable 100% of the time. Thanks for the comment and for watching. 73!!
Could have got a bunch of paper towels and threw it in the bag and see if they got wet instead ya didn't have to be so dramatic 😂
If I am going to endorse an expensive product to my viewers, I am willing to put MY gear on the line to prove the point. I will never "kind of" demonstrate the good or bad of a product. Thanks for watching and for the comment. 73!
I'm so tired of youtubers repeatedly say "you guys". I think it mostly has the opposite effect from their intentions. It definitely isn't helping me relate to anyone. It feels more generic. Plus the repetition is killing me.
Sorry you were disappointed by the video. 73.