The structure of the chaos forces in the Sabbat worlds is fascinating, kinda like how barbarian tribes temporarily united in times of need to fight against rome
War is chaos! Those who are comfortable w/ chaos...Win. I guess the W/H Lore fraternity doesn't get "Pre Combat Inspections" prior to the "GO, GO, GO" command.
Most realistic too, either that or make political muppets play at telling fighters what they can or can not do. There’s a reason stormin Norman bum rushed Saddam so fast back in the day, he didn’t want to let the over grown children in DC get a chance to make a new Vietnam
@@michaelgautreaux3168 chaos can't get past the fobbits not stocking power packs that fit your lasguns. That's what I was talking about- the Ghosts didn't have the right type of ammo
Personally the sad part about the attack on Cirenholm (and the Phantine campaign in general) is that Fazalur's men were only a footnote in the liberation of their own world, being even fewer in number than the Tanith (IIRC the Phantine could field only about 2 company's worth of men)
I think that's because Phantine only really had a small PDF force and that's it for ground troops. Since almost every single person from Phantine that volunteered for the Imperial Guard was a pilot/flight crew, I don't think Phantine really had any legit infantry or other ground troops. Fun fact: Phantine provided soldiers as part of the tithe to the Imperium like most other worlds...these soldiers being in the form of pilots and flight crew...to the Imperial GUARD, not the Imperial NAVY. Phantine didn't provide companies or regiments to the IG, Phantine provided flight wings and squadrons to the IG. These squadrons were under IG command, not the Imperial Navy. So...the squadrons from Phantine are the only pilots in the Imperial Guard. This fact is made into a relevant plot point in the novel, Double Eagle by Dan Abnett. Oh yes, the crashed Phantine fighter pilot of Cirenholm that fought alongside the Tanith, Commander Jagdeer, she is the main character of the novel Double Eagle.
"We built this trap and we are damn well going to use it!" To be fair if one were to go through the trouble to get that many mini shield generators you would probably focus on getting your moneys worth out of them.
Could the mini-shield generators be salvaged and repurposed to other uses? Because if so they just handed void shield generators which are rare to the Imperium.
@@Rellana1it's not an irreplaceable technology, imperium can produce them, just not all forge worlds can, that's why they're rare and so are expensive, it's not on the level of dark age of technology importance though as long as it's not corrupted beyond redemption, the adeptus mechanicus should be able to salvage them
In the USMC, you learn VERY quickly to NOT volunteer for a damn thing!! But it really doesn't matter, you'll get "volunteered" anyway if the CO knows you're good at something.
“Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics” The good Officers know this. A 1000 door kickers can be rendered useless by the removal of 2 "POGs" driving their supplies.
If you need a chronological by release playlist of the series, Ive got a public one that's in the correct order, for my own displeasure of arch's playlist. Feel free to use that, I update it every week
The Tanith First actions here would both have a positive impact for the campaign and negative consequences for the regiment that was to come from this world’s liberation.
Phantine campaign Cirenholm Day 1 Tuesday (midnight) Cadian: (is walking around the dark with a flashlight) Squat: Well...I cant see shite... Tech Priest: Querry, I thought your sub species had dark vision? Squat: I thought you toast humpers had infrared. Tech Priest: ...I left mine at the workshop. Squat: Thought so... Cadian: Shut up, both of you! I think I hear something up ahead... Krieger: (helpfully reminds him of the code phrase in gasmask) Cadian: Right...Marco?! A moment of silence passes before lasguns are fired at them. Cadian: (takes cover) Not Polo! Not Polo! Bloody Henry: I LIKE THIS GAME! (laughs and fires with the rest of the squad)
Hey Arch, just out of curiosity, which scares you more? 1. Doing a lore deep dive on Alpharius, Omegon, and the Alpha Legion without headache meds. 2. Doing a complete War of the Beast series without headache meds.
He already tried war of the beast years ago, if I remember we only got to book 6 before the videos devolved into ranting about how idiotic it was and he ended the series there. And I’m guessing even that took a LOT of advil
*Murphy's Laws of Combat* 7. "If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush." 30. "If you take more than your fair share of objectives, you will be given more than your fair share of objectives to take."
To be fair, while Arch's documentary like presentation is a true pleasure to listen to, the amount of deus ex machina and absurd luck that makes the chols armies lose at every damn turn makes the sabbath world crusade a way less goosd story than I would have anticipated. And I mean considering the fun and original planning of the chaos forces these characters would d deserve to win from time to time.
I would like to hear a war report from Arch about the Night Lords or the Cacarodons. The novels about these space marines are interesting and caring for such mad giants or understanding their conflicts is certainly interesting.
I seem to remember somewhere (probably in the Sabbat Crusade Anthology) That one of the worlds in the Cabal Sector, probably Urdesh itself, was famous for the production of shielding... Also the fact that a fortress world like Morlond was present leads to the conclusion that the Chaos forces had an abundance of shielding. Thus using it wherever possible.
Thanks for the great story telling. You're channel is one of the reasons I got into 40K... Ive never paid attention to the animations in the background but is the dude walking around carrying a snowboard?
It is funny how many disasters crusade is facing despite massive superiority over Chaos forces in organization, equipment, training, material, manpower, technology. It is almost like...Lorgar was right about humanity's future.
Do you want to say that Imperial guard with experienced commander does mass air drop assault without air superiority and air cover? Both from interceptors and close ground support? Jeez. Put me into W40k as a Warmaster. I will rival Primarchs themselves with my genius.
Poor Blood Pact. They are slaughtering Imperial Guard left and right, but like with Orks, there is simply too much of them. They are overextended and have to do ridiculous things, but despite how many of Imperial guard troops they kill, they are literally falling from the skies like tyranids.
25:00 I understand the grim dark trop of super contaminated industrial planets but I do wonder wouldn't the Imperium have at least some technology to mitigate that level of contamination I mean they had to know not doing anything abou the enviorment would turn a world with important resources into a Dead World. Like they are not doing it because they Ecologist is just for basic survival of the population they need for an important resource. Is not like they can't have world with decent eviorment, most are just because otherwise the Imperium wouldn't have the massive numbers of population it has. So would it be just incompetence of the local goverment and the burocracy of the Imperium not carring enough?
A bit of both. But how do you plan for hundreds of years ahead when the fuel you drill is a must in as large a volume as needed. The planet itself may have not been anything special, cause I would struggle to explain why the imperium would ruin a good world other than grimderp. The aerial cities may be proof that the planet was never meant to be settled.
@@tarektechmarine8209unfortunately in the book they mention you can still see parts of the old cities down in the cloud layer, the mountain cities were an emergency measure as the surface became so contaminated
That tends to be part of the tragedy of warhammer, the imperium can only function BECAUSE it is a meatgrinder. Could they establish worlds where they are self sufficient? Of course! But the imperial warmachine demands tribute. They need constantly new sources of ore, fuel, food, etc to maintain it's eff off big army which doesn't actually produce any of these things. So the only way to do that is sacrifice everything for the sake of aquiring as much resources as possible as fast as possible, because the entire system will collapse on itself if it slows down even a little. Yes, making a self sustaining agriworld is good...if you aren't needing to feed the population of 12 more worlds and reducing your output for even a length of time means millions starve. So you are going to strip that planet completely bare of nutrients as fast as possible and pray the Astra Militarum can conquer another planet suitable as an agriworld to replace it before the fertilizer runs out. They're essentialy a runaway train that's laying down track just as quick as the train moves. It's everything they can do just to keep up. A setup of their own making thanks to the emperors demand of compliance as quickly as possible, and then no way to slow down without toppling the house of cards.
10:02 What I wanna know is; why and how Urlok Gaur is supposedly able to wear Astartes Power Armor? Is he in fact a Chaos Marine that managed to pull off a Luft Huron level feat in the Sabbat Worlds after the death of the Anarch? Or did Dan Abnett's change his mind about that whole "Space Marine Power Armor" thing?
"Ancient Superweapon" = someone wrote themselves into a corner and needed a deus ex machina.
Arch; "the entire planet is covered in burning acidic gas"
Kriegsman; "heavy excited gasmask breathing"
Literally what the Steel Legion is good at. Hostile environments and urban warfare. Only downside is you can't really use mechanized stuff
The structure of the chaos forces in the Sabbat worlds is fascinating, kinda like how barbarian tribes temporarily united in times of need to fight against rome
Or how the denizens of any Underhive puts aside their differences just long enough to fight off law enforcement.
Best and most realistic way to insert tension into a Warhammer book- supply chain foul up
War is chaos! Those who are comfortable w/ chaos...Win.
I guess the W/H Lore fraternity doesn't get "Pre Combat Inspections" prior to the "GO, GO, GO" command.
in the grim darkness of 41 millenium, don`t f forget about logistics
Most realistic too, either that or make political muppets play at telling fighters what they can or can not do.
There’s a reason stormin Norman bum rushed Saddam so fast back in the day, he didn’t want to let the over grown children in DC get a chance to make a new Vietnam
@@michaelgautreaux3168 chaos can't get past the fobbits not stocking power packs that fit your lasguns. That's what I was talking about- the Ghosts didn't have the right type of ammo
Personally the sad part about the attack on Cirenholm (and the Phantine campaign in general) is that Fazalur's men were only a footnote in the liberation of their own world, being even fewer in number than the Tanith (IIRC the Phantine could field only about 2 company's worth of men)
I think that's because Phantine only really had a small PDF force and that's it for ground troops. Since almost every single person from Phantine that volunteered for the Imperial Guard was a pilot/flight crew, I don't think Phantine really had any legit infantry or other ground troops.
Fun fact: Phantine provided soldiers as part of the tithe to the Imperium like most other worlds...these soldiers being in the form of pilots and flight crew...to the Imperial GUARD, not the Imperial NAVY. Phantine didn't provide companies or regiments to the IG, Phantine provided flight wings and squadrons to the IG. These squadrons were under IG command, not the Imperial Navy. So...the squadrons from Phantine are the only pilots in the Imperial Guard. This fact is made into a relevant plot point in the novel, Double Eagle by Dan Abnett. Oh yes, the crashed Phantine fighter pilot of Cirenholm that fought alongside the Tanith, Commander Jagdeer, she is the main character of the novel Double Eagle.
@@knowplay3258 Double eagle is an incredible book imo. Really looking forward to the sequel.
"We built this trap and we are damn well going to use it!" To be fair if one were to go through the trouble to get that many mini shield generators you would probably focus on getting your moneys worth out of them.
Could the mini-shield generators be salvaged and repurposed to other uses? Because if so they just handed void shield generators which are rare to the Imperium.
@@Rellana1it's not an irreplaceable technology, imperium can produce them, just not all forge worlds can, that's why they're rare and so are expensive, it's not on the level of dark age of technology importance though
as long as it's not corrupted beyond redemption, the adeptus mechanicus should be able to salvage them
Cirenholm gives me flashbacks. Almost never had a 40k book make me feel sick with grief and anger before then, *sure as sure.*
In the USMC, you learn VERY quickly to NOT volunteer for a damn thing!! But it really doesn't matter, you'll get "volunteered" anyway if the CO knows you're good at something.
“Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics”
The good Officers know this. A 1000 door kickers can be rendered useless by the removal of 2 "POGs" driving their supplies.
Arch has blessed us with yet another Sabbat World Crusade episode.
I know you're a busy man but could you kindly fix the playlist in order please.
If you need a chronological by release playlist of the series, Ive got a public one that's in the correct order, for my own displeasure of arch's playlist.
Feel free to use that, I update it every week
Check my public playlists. Have a playlist in chronological order of release, minus the 4 hour super vid.
@@Benthesniperof8 Thank you brother, you are doing God Emperor's work.
Arch is infamously lazy. He won't do it until the very last minute.
@@qwentr3999 infamously busy as well :)
The Tanith First actions here would both have a positive impact for the campaign and negative consequences for the regiment that was to come from this world’s liberation.
28:00 - Man, some Elysium Droptroops would have been handy right about now.
Running tanith troops as tempestus scions is valid because of this book
@anthonylulham3473 never read it. Which book is this in particular? :)
@@arj4yThe Guns of Tanith
@Rockcrusher22895 That's got to be an intentionally ironic title, since the Tanith are severely low on ammo the whole time.
@@shanehudson3995 (Dry) Guns of Tanith
“Hippoty-Hoppoty! Get the feth off my property” Major Rawne, probably.
Phantine campaign
Cirenholm
Day 1
Tuesday (midnight)
Cadian: (is walking around the dark with a flashlight)
Squat: Well...I cant see shite...
Tech Priest: Querry, I thought your sub species had dark vision?
Squat: I thought you toast humpers had infrared.
Tech Priest: ...I left mine at the workshop.
Squat: Thought so...
Cadian: Shut up, both of you! I think I hear something up ahead...
Krieger: (helpfully reminds him of the code phrase in gasmask)
Cadian: Right...Marco?!
A moment of silence passes before lasguns are fired at them.
Cadian: (takes cover) Not Polo! Not Polo!
Bloody Henry: I LIKE THIS GAME! (laughs and fires with the rest of the squad)
That Urlock Gaur artwork is fire. Props to the artist from the The Sabbat Worlds Crusade book.
Hey Arch, just out of curiosity, which scares you more?
1. Doing a lore deep dive on Alpharius, Omegon, and the Alpha Legion without headache meds.
2. Doing a complete War of the Beast series without headache meds.
I'm guessing War of the Beast. AL shenanigans are at least fun shenanigans.
What about doing anything on the Ultrasmurfs or Big Papa Ultrasmurf himself?
@NetMoverSitan He has already had copious amounts of Advil and Tylenol when it comes to Papa Smurf and the Special Snowflake Marines.
@@ethrsag735 Exactly, he'd rather blowtorch his own nipples off.
He already tried war of the beast years ago, if I remember we only got to book 6 before the videos devolved into ranting about how idiotic it was and he ended the series there. And I’m guessing even that took a LOT of advil
This was one of the coolest battles. The House at the End of the World is another cool battle.
Zhyte really came up short during the assault. I suppose one could say it'll be tough for him to get a leg up in the future 🤔
*Murphy's Laws of Combat*
7. "If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush."
30. "If you take more than your fair share of objectives, you will be given more than your fair share of objectives to take."
Man this series is great. Love the depth and length given to each major conflict.
At 34:10 the moment you said that Arch it did start to rain outside where I live. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He did that. Do not question his power again.
Who makes these beautiful illustrations?
Ah...Phantine...the Imperium's supplier of lustrous natural hair weaves.
Don't forget Silon selective V.
To be fair, while Arch's documentary like presentation is a true pleasure to listen to, the amount of deus ex machina and absurd luck that makes the chols armies lose at every damn turn makes the sabbath world crusade a way less goosd story than I would have anticipated. And I mean considering the fun and original planning of the chaos forces these characters would d deserve to win from time to time.
Littered w/ plot twists...War actually goes this way...🤫
Love the Tanith 1st & only! Many thanx Arch, always a treat. 👍👍
I would like to hear a war report from Arch about the Night Lords or the Cacarodons. The novels about these space marines are interesting and caring for such mad giants or understanding their conflicts is certainly interesting.
Could I interest you in Badab?
If I had a penny for every time Chaos in Sabbat Worlds used void shields to cut off and surround Imperial forces...
You'd have quite a few pennies.
I seem to remember somewhere (probably in the Sabbat Crusade Anthology) That one of the worlds in the Cabal Sector, probably Urdesh itself, was famous for the production of shielding... Also the fact that a fortress world like Morlond was present leads to the conclusion that the Chaos forces had an abundance of shielding. Thus using it wherever possible.
Sometimes I wonder; what would happen if there was the Chaos Marine Warband equivalent of the Blood Pact...
So.. traitor raptors?
I guess the closest thing we have in canon would be the red corsairs.
59:16 just ask Ciaphas Cain about that lol
Comparing Arch’s pronunciations with Toby Longworth’s is a trip every time Arch does a Sabbat world’s video
That’s been my biggest hickup, every time he says something It’s like whiplash
Well a near disaster is still not a full Disaster and we the Imperium take those!!!
Yay! I was hoping for a new sabbat worlds video today. Keep them coming Arch. They are so good.
When size truly matters in a fight 😆
Thanks for the great story telling. You're channel is one of the reasons I got into 40K... Ive never paid attention to the animations in the background but is the dude walking around carrying a snowboard?
It is funny how many disasters crusade is facing despite massive superiority over Chaos forces in organization, equipment, training, material, manpower, technology. It is almost like...Lorgar was right about humanity's future.
Thanks as always
Even in the far future of the 41s millenium, drop assault is a pain to oull off
Do you want to say that Imperial guard with experienced commander does mass air drop assault without air superiority and air cover? Both from interceptors and close ground support?
Jeez. Put me into W40k as a Warmaster. I will rival Primarchs themselves with my genius.
Great video as always! Is there any chance for you to be picking up the Horus Heresy Breakdown again?
My servitor circuits will be overloaded after this core hour of data. Praise the omnisiah for this blessing.
Heh, the planet Lyubov, the bulgarian word for Love.
combat losses seem small, real small.
“We don’t go to Cirenholm”
Guns of Tanith is such a great novel
When will you go through the rest of the Imperial Armour books?
turningan ambush around while being ill-supplied that's soldiering
As a guy I watch says, "It can always get worse"
YO!!! Stakuyi Fan!!!!!
Poor Blood Pact. They are slaughtering Imperial Guard left and right, but like with Orks, there is simply too much of them. They are overextended and have to do ridiculous things, but despite how many of Imperial guard troops they kill, they are literally falling from the skies like tyranids.
25:00 I understand the grim dark trop of super contaminated industrial planets but I do wonder wouldn't the Imperium have at least some technology to mitigate that level of contamination I mean they had to know not doing anything abou the enviorment would turn a world with important resources into a Dead World. Like they are not doing it because they Ecologist is just for basic survival of the population they need for an important resource.
Is not like they can't have world with decent eviorment, most are just because otherwise the Imperium wouldn't have the massive numbers of population it has. So would it be just incompetence of the local goverment and the burocracy of the Imperium not carring enough?
A bit of both. But how do you plan for hundreds of years ahead when the fuel you drill is a must in as large a volume as needed. The planet itself may have not been anything special, cause I would struggle to explain why the imperium would ruin a good world other than grimderp. The aerial cities may be proof that the planet was never meant to be settled.
@@tarektechmarine8209unfortunately in the book they mention you can still see parts of the old cities down in the cloud layer, the mountain cities were an emergency measure as the surface became so contaminated
That tends to be part of the tragedy of warhammer, the imperium can only function BECAUSE it is a meatgrinder. Could they establish worlds where they are self sufficient? Of course! But the imperial warmachine demands tribute. They need constantly new sources of ore, fuel, food, etc to maintain it's eff off big army which doesn't actually produce any of these things. So the only way to do that is sacrifice everything for the sake of aquiring as much resources as possible as fast as possible, because the entire system will collapse on itself if it slows down even a little.
Yes, making a self sustaining agriworld is good...if you aren't needing to feed the population of 12 more worlds and reducing your output for even a length of time means millions starve. So you are going to strip that planet completely bare of nutrients as fast as possible and pray the Astra Militarum can conquer another planet suitable as an agriworld to replace it before the fertilizer runs out.
They're essentialy a runaway train that's laying down track just as quick as the train moves. It's everything they can do just to keep up. A setup of their own making thanks to the emperors demand of compliance as quickly as possible, and then no way to slow down without toppling the house of cards.
How hard would it be to get Arch to go this level of autismo depth but for something incredibly silly like Equestria at War lore.
Gae.
I'm pretty sure the playlist is made backwards
10:02 What I wanna know is; why and how Urlok Gaur is supposedly able to wear Astartes Power Armor?
Is he in fact a Chaos Marine that managed to pull off a Luft Huron level feat in the Sabbat Worlds after the death of the Anarch? Or did Dan Abnett's change his mind about that whole "Space Marine Power Armor" thing?
You would have to have a Black Carapace installed into your body or a Inquisition grade power armor.
There is power armor that normal humans can wear.
+@@shanehudson3995+ Except it was specifically called "Space Marine Power Armor" In the book.
@shanehudson3995 It's the Sisters of Battle patterns for the Inquisition. They are Ordo servants.
@@cnlbenmc Probably just a screw up.
R.I.P. Bragg
who is your animator Arch
Got 2 nd hand ptsd from cirenholm.
Please fix the playlist and adopt a numbering scheme
noooo the blood pact
Let's go
Neat
Begone bots
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Hi
That sounds like a shit if i've ever heard.
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