In slight defense of Phillips. Not the movie but Phillips. He made his position clear he didn't want to make a sequel. And WB threw the kitchen sink at him. And said do whatever the hell you want. At that point isn't WB's fault. At that point just hire someone else to do it.
How to make a movie that doesn't wrecked director career Step 1: keep it a low or average budget Step 2: make sure the audience test screeching is good before release the movie worldwide Step 3: a good marketing for the movie is important You're welcome
@@USER.EXE.RUclips Yup. Some variability is fine. Like if you keep the budget low enough, forgo the test screening if you want because it might be a passion project (and sometimes they can make it worse). But for a $200m movie? Yeah, they should’ve tested it. Too much ego in this movie.
Ang Lee's Gemini Man is one of those 90s action films that just doesn't work nowadays. A premise like that is seen more as goofy today then it probably would've been if made back then. I really hope he gets his Bruce Lee biopic off the ground because he's a truly talented filmmaker.
@@ajtaylor8750 I think Will Smith was also unnecessary to the movie. It would’ve been cheaper, and I’m not sure he has the same draw as he did in the aughts.
@@Syntopikoni think will Smith is what hurt this movie the most. This was right around the time people were getting fatigued with him as an actor. Throw in his personal life bs and nepotism to his kids and it was doomed.
Emmerich career was already becoming a trainwreck after 2012, his white house movie paid itself but didn't make money, independence Day 2 is the same, them came Midway (actually a good historical movie) bombed, moonfall was the final straw, and think that he wanted to be the first of a new trilogy.
RDJ was incredibly passionate about Dolittle, he spent a significant portion of his JRE podcast appearance talking about it, considering he was at his peak Avengers fame, everyone was clamouring for him, it's likely that neither Universal or even Gaghan were passionate about the project, but rather the fact they had scored RDJ at the peak of his career. Also it's interesting given Dolittle made RDJ reconsider his career partially, I do wonder if it is part of what prompted his return to Marvel.
Yeah, Gaghan wasn't even the first choice. He just got attached to the project, seemingly, for no reason, and was thrown into the fire. To your point of RDJ reconsidering his career, I read in an article that after Dolittle flopped is when he also separated from some people that were helping him choose projects. I think Oppenheimer might've been his first project with his new team.
I didn't like Joker Folie a Deux the first time I saw it in theaters, but after it went on digital, it really isn't that bad of a movie. Certainly didn't need a budget of $200 million but it wasn't the worst movie ever made or anything. Decent conclusion to the Arthur Fleck story, and a Joker movie was always going to mess with expectations and prank the audience. 7/10
The truth is that Phillips had no good ideas for Joker 2, didn't even want to make a Joker 2, so took inspiration wherever it was coming from (in any form) so he didn't have to turn down a big paycheck. I'm sure Phoenix was flattered that he would follow his dream as the inspirer, and probably even thought Phillips capable of making it more interesting. He wasn't. It was a bad idea full stop. Phillips should have turned down the big paycheck, I doubt his career will recover any time soon.
@@FrancisXLord Yup. Granted, I don’t know if he was contractually obligated to do this movie or if he really thought he had something, but whatever he does next, the studio and producers are going to rein him in. Certainly won’t be no bonuses on this movie lol
His films collectively grossed over 2 billion even before the first Joker, pushed over 3 after it, so I don't doubt he'll have much trouble getting another small comedy off the ground or something, but definitely under watchful eyes, and all the better for it I hope. Any work he does with Lawrence Sher is a treat to look at.
Of all the directors mentioned here, Ang Lee is the one that stands out as a "drama auteur" who can absolutely deliver within that genre given the right source material (some of his most critically acclaimed movies were based on famous novels). But as soon as he attempts to leave that comfort zone and to play the Hollywood blockbuster game, things tend to go sideways. As a side note, I'm also intrigued by Clint Eastwood's trajectory as a director. He doesn't do summer blockbusters, but during the 90s and 2000s, he did give us some of the most unforgettable classics of our time. But something happened in the 2010s. Though 'American Sniper' got some Oscar buzz, it doesn't hold a candle to his previous successes. After that, he seemed to stop trying. It's a total mystery, and it'd be great to hear what you think - if you know his stuff.
@@sorenpx Yes, I actually enjoyed those, as well as 'The Mule,' but I felt (just my opinion) they're a little slapdash, not packing the same punch as, say, 'Mystic River,' 'Madison County,' or 'Unforgiven.'
@@edwardong8660 I think that, as is true for most directors, Clint did his best work earlier in his career. Or really, for Clint, it was probably mid-career where he peaked. But a few missteps aside, like Cry Macho, he's continued to make solid films in his later years. We can contrast that with directors who have fallen off HARD in the later stages of their careers, for example, Brian de Palma and Renny Harlin. By the way, if you're not aware, Clint has what I'm sure will be his final film coming out in just a few weeks. If you haven't already seen it, go look up the trailer for Juror No. 2.
I have no idea what happened to Furiosa. It’s SUCH a good movie- and it stands right up alongside Fury Road. It is, perhaps, a shade less focused than Fury Road, but the scope of the movie is larger. Furiosa had great leads, interesting characters, that same frenetic editing and visual style- it expands on the locations and lore of the world. It gives you everything you could want in a sequel. So sad that it didn’t do better.
I think it's a number of things: 9 year since the last Mad Max, no Max (except for a silhouette), and I don't think the chase sequence measured up to Fury Road. Overall, it's a great movie (though I prefer Fury Road) and I wish it had gotten the love it deserved. At the very least, critics and audiences that watched it seemed to like it, and I think it'll get some Academy Award nods, which will be a saving grace + a cap in Miller's feature to get his next movie done.
To be brutally honest... Phillips going in the "movie jail" is no loss. The Joker is overrated. Phoenix carries the movie. Without him it's just a average copy of much better Scorsese movies.
@@tumppuman Yeah, the comparisons to Taxi Driver were quite extensive. I think it’s impressive what he did on a mid-budget, though I think squandering $200m is, in own way, more impressive. He should’ve made a 4 hour crime epic with an intermission if he wanted to go big.
@@spacefaringyoshi But there is more to a good movie than one performance. Story for example. But if the only thing actually good or existing in a movie is the performance of the protagonist you don't really have a good movie, but a good performance.
Folie a Deux and the Anecdote about Paul "Taxi Driver" Schrader walking out actually lead me to discover a bit of trivia: Schrader actually once tried to write for a big budget franchise flick; in this case 2004's Exorcist: The Beginning (aka. Dominion: The Prequel to The Exorcist). However, his experience working on it drove him so mad that he swore off writing franchise films. Between Joker: Folie a Deux and Exorcist: The Beginning (and other shameless attempts at milking The Exorcist mill dry after 3 wrapped up everything well), all I can say is: "Give a Retread a Calculator and they'll use it as a TV remote. Give a Hollywood big wig a perfectly good standalone film/completed trilogy, and they'll shamelessly try turning it into a billion dollar franchise." Some things are better off left alone.
@@tedrbeast420 Lol yup. But overall, I think Bay does large scale movies a bit better. I think he’s also capable of doing smaller movies, like Pain & Gain.
"Studios prefer money" was such an unexpectedly funny insert. On the page it sounds so obvious it's inane, but something about the context made it hilarious. Bravo 👌
Glad you like it lol. I actually find it really useful to sometimes state the obvious because sometimes it's so taken for granted, we end up forgetting it. I know it's happened to me a lot. Sometimes, reminding myself is helpful.
Moonfall could have been just a stupid but fun scifi action movie, but just like The Meg, the very very blatant chinese government influence gives the whole thing a really weird vibe, especially in scenes that shoehorn in random chinese stars.
Its amazing that WB didnt learn from Matrix Resurrections and what happens when you try to hold a director hostage with their IP and force em to make a sequel. As if sabotaged wouldn't happen twice
Great video. I still can't believe how bad Joker 2 turned out. I already knew a sequel was unnecessary and pointless but i had no idea how much disdain it would have for people who enjoyed the first movie. Todd Phillips deserves movie jail, as far as i'm concerned. I am sad about George Miller though. It takes him ages to make movies and hes already up there in age. I liked Mad Max Fury Road but i just don't think Furioso needed a solo movie. Shes not a character i was interested in seeing by herself. I'm sad that we will likely never get a REAL Mad Max movie with Mel Gibson as an older Max. Kinda like Logan.
@@Makoto03 Agreed. I think going so diametrically opposed from Joker 1 was a bad move. Warner Bros. shouldn’t have forced what seemed like a bad idea from the jump. Agreed on Furiosa. I think going with The Wasteland would’ve been the right move for Miller. I think the mystery was a big part of her backstory and I wish it would’ve stayed like that. Mel Gibson’s return might be the way for Miller to get another one made. They both seem to get along well and I’m sure there’s a story they could find. Gibson is a pretty loyal guy, too, so I think he would return.
@@HistoriaenCeluloide I think that would depend on the size of the hit. It would need to gross quite a bit. I think he’s a fine director, though I think he has too much money and power this go around.
Hot take: joker 2 isn’t very good, but it’s artistically one of the most interesting sequels of recent memory. I’d much rather take a movie that takes a big swing and hits a foul ball over a boring generic sequel any day of the week.
@@NealFowler I think that’s where it’s necessary to find a happy medium. $200m is a wild amount of money and so they could’ve done pretty much anything (like a 3.5 hour epic a la Cimino except the western part). But it’s definitely one of the biggest swings in recent memory, alongside Megalopolis (though I think that was a bit wilder because Coppola put up his own money).
@@Syntopikon joker's problem is that it has great ideas but never executes them to their potential. the musical numbers are a great idea, but there are far too many that all repeat the same story and themes and they don't evolve enough as the movie goes on. you could remove half of them, really develop the other half and have a much better and more thematically cohesive movie. sometimes producer input is a good thing, good artists know when to listen and when not to.
@@pkvanderzee6226 As a movie, too, unfortunately. I saw it after the fact and was not a fan, even though I usually like this style of movie and Emmerich.
@@Syntopikon The idea of a certain Moonfall happening is epic and real Emmerich..If only they had stick to that. When the whole alien thing happened..I was thinking God safe us..from this movie
Thank you for showing the 1998 Godzilla some love. Always enjoyed it and think it does its job fairly well. Emmerich knows what he can do. When he's bad, he's awful.
Yup. Someone else noted that when Emmerich is good, he's great. And, as you say, when he's bad, he's awful. Godzilla 1998 is, in the vein of ID4, a wonderful action flick. Zilla in New York always fulfills something I want to see: giant monsters in big cities. It's why I like Jurassic Park: The Lost World. The T Rex in San Diego is one of my favorite scenes in any movie.
@@michaelsinger4638 I enjoyed it. It’ll always been compared to Fury Road, an impossible bar, but all Mad Max movies are worth watching in theaters. Cinema at its finest.
I love the original Joker film (although it rehashed Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, I actually had preference to it, as I found it slightly more empathetic) but, I actually liked the Joker sequel. I usually do not like subverting expectations, however, I think it hit for me, despite "betraying" its own audience. It also, shows the fragility of the audience whose conscience it reflects. I think in the future, reception will change.
@@LordoftheSerpents I know The Marvels. But Nia DaCosta was pretty upfront that it was Feige's movie and not hers. Disney would later throw her under the bus, with Iger saying that the problem with The Marvels was "lack of executives on set". Nah, putting DaCosta in Director Jail means letting Disney get away.
Regarding Emmerich, when he's good, the guy is great, but unfortunately he's very inconsistent as a director. In my opinion Independence Day and The Patriot are far and away his best films, though I did also enjoy Midway (which should've done much better financially), The Day After Tomorrow and Stargate. Independence Day: Resurgence and Moonfall were both absolutely terrible, though. Both are awful films that made me wonder if Emmerich has just lost it as a director. One problem with his more recent films is the over-reliance on CGI. Independence Day still looks so awesome because of its use of miniatures and other practical effects instead of just lazily relying on CGI for everything. ID: Resurgence, on the other hand, looks like a video game cut scene. Everything is cartoony and weightless and much less awe-inspiring.
@@sorenpx Independence Day is definitely his best in my opinion, followed by Godzilla, and TDAT for me. But you’re right: he’s quite inconsistent and, after 2012/White House Down, it’s been quite the decline. I think maybe he wants to do different stories, because it seems like he’s moving more into TV now, but I hope he gets his touch back. ID4 still has the best speech of all time. I want that Emmerich back. Re: CGI, you’re right that it feels weightless and cartoony. I got that on Moonfall and Resurgence. As much flack as Michael Bay gets for his reliance on CGI, it usually feels kinetic and impactful. I’d like more of that from Emmerich.
@@Syntopikon I want to like Godzilla but I just can't do it. I gave the movie another shot a few years ago and, while I thought it started well, somewhere around the hour mark the movie just starts to feel like the narrative is no longer advancing in any meaningful way. I don't know. I guess I would have to try to watch it yet again to give some intelligent thoughts on it but every time I give that movie a chance I end up disappointed with it. In regard to Emmerich wanting to do different kinds of stories, I do remember that he did that Anonymous movie about Shakespeare a number of years ago. I've tried two or three times to watch and don't think I've ever made it more than 20 minutes in before bailing. Maybe there's a good movie in there and I'll discover it if I just sit down and commit to watching it all the way through. The CGI problem is easily fixed: Just go back to using miniatures when they are the best solution. But for whatever reason, he seems uninterested in doing that. Is it laziness? Is it a fascination with the tech? Is it studio interference? I don't know. But if Emmerich ever rediscovers practical effects, it will instantly make his films much better. Lastly, regarding Bay, his film Ambulance from a few years ago was pretty good and deserved more attention (and more box office money) than it got. It felt a lot like a 90s action movie, which is a good thing. It was easily the best thing he had made since 2016's 13 Hours.
That's fair. I don't think it was as good as Fury Road - a hard act to follow - but was enjoyable enough. But, if anything, he should've continued with Max.
Folie a deux means something along the lines of a shared madness, seems to be a common term in the psychological field but in this case represents Harley supposedly being as crazy as Joker, a dance of two. Still, the story had nothing to tell, and one can notice it with the constant rethread to the original, in a bad way, with directorial regrets
@@valthenvega2434 Some titles translate well over to English (Le samouraï), but I’m not sure if that was the case here, along with the musical aspect. I know some people think movies should play it less safe, but I think this went far too far in the other direction. There’s something to be said for subverting expectations, but that usually results in polarization, not wholesale disdain which seems to be the case here.
Yeah, just a WILD idea.. But doing a "Max Max" show WITHOUT Mad Max, kinda should've given them "pause", it doesn't take a precognitive to know how it would do. "The Mummy", to me, was just a VERY confusing mess... It couldn't figure out if it was action, or if it was "american werewolf in london", or if it was "the league of extraordinary gentlemen"... WAAY too many "pieces" of other movies.
Your criticism of The Mummy is spot on. It's the biggest problem with studios that want their cinematic universe - they look at Avengers and try to get that from the jump, instead of building naturally from the ground up. DC had the same issue with BVS. Their eagerness led to their ruin.
WB executive: Okay, Todd. We’ve greenlit the sequel to The Joker. We’re expecting big things. Our break-even number is $450M. What have you got for us? Todd Phillips: I’m thinking… musical. WB executive: Hahaha! Oh Todd, there’s the genius sense of humor that brought us The Hangover 1 and the Hangover 2 and the Hangover 3. But seriously… what have you got for us? Todd Phillips: No… seriously. We get Lady Gaga to play Harley Quinn. You saw her in A Star is Born, right? WB executive: Alright… maybe that could work. Like her and the Joker go on a manic crime spree through 70’s era Gotham and it’s set to a bunch of fun glam rock songs? Todd Phillips: Sure… except it’s confined almost entirely to Arkham Asylum and it’s a bunch of schmaltzy show tunes and there’s not any real action or suspense. WB executive: Okay… but it has a big, action packed ending, right? They have to get out of Arkham sometime… Todd Phillips: The third act exists almost entirely in a courtroom? WB executive: Ah… so like a legal thriller? Okay. There’s an audience for that. Todd Phillips: Nah, they just go there and sing some more stupid fucking songs. WB executive: Todd… I’m going to be honest with you. This sounds like a terrible idea and I cannot possibly envision an audience who would want this film as you’ve described it. Todd Phillips: Well it’s either this or I can make The Hangover 4. My idea there is that the four guys have a crazy drug and alcohol fueled night and, when they wake up the next morning, one of the guys is lost. And the other guys have to retrace their steps and go look for him, leading to hijinks. WB executive: That is the EXACT same plot as the first three Hangover movies. Todd Phillips: Well this one happens on the moon. WB executive: Fuck it, here’s the money for Joker 2. Just do me a favor and don’t give it some goofy title. “The Joker Part 2” will be just fine. We’re going to have a hard enough marketing this thing as is. Todd Phillips: Uhhh… yeah… we can talk about that.
I'm not saying I don't like either one of the two latest Mad Max movie but it's not a Mad Max movie without Mad Max and therefore I don't count the last two movies as Mad Max so to me Mad Max died with Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome which really sucks because that was my favorite Mad Max movie
Stephen Sommers being in movie jail will always be a tragedy to me. The mummy movies and Van helsing were amazingly fun films and i dont blame him for GI Joe Rise of Cobra's issues. I personally like alot of things about that film despite its issues relating to how well its adapted but i also cant forget that Channing Tatum was a massive sourpuss during that production
The man who fell to earth series was an absolute disaster. Very odd show. Bit sequel and reboot at once without the sheer oddness that Bowie brought to the role of Newton.
Yup. Bad idea to force someone into doing something. There are exceptions - I don't think Francis Ford Coppola necessarily wanted to do The Godfather, but had to for the money - but in general, the director shoudl want it.
I would not be surprised that Todd Phillips goes into Movie Jail for this huge disaster. He didn't want to do it, but he got Michael Cimino money and had to do _something._ Unfortunately, he listened to crazy man (Phoenix) and that was his downfall. Could "Joker: Fully a Deuce" have been good? Sure, with a different writer, different story, different theme, maybe. I don't think Joaquin Phoenix will be punished. He will be kept out of the writer's room, given a coloring book and crayons, and told to wait in the next room. Phoenix is too good of a dramatic actor. He will find work again. Lady Gaga got her acting fame from "A Star Is Born". Good singer. Adequate actress, or at least not worse than Gal Gadot. If there is another music-based film again, she will be in the running for it. She always has music and performing to fall back on.
@@Ciborium I think Phoenix might have a hard time as well because this coincides with his dramatic exit from another movie. But yeah, the Cimino of it all will definitely impact Phillips. You’re right that he shouldn’t have listened to Phoenix. That, or just forgone the money and asked them to find something else.
Joker 2 was created by a guy who's early work was a documentary on GG Allin so being a professional troll isn’t out Todd Phillips wheelhouse. I honestly think he joe Dante'd this thing and deliberately sabotaged the sequel. The checks cleared, Todd Phillips wins regardless
1:03 i remember when i heard the title & immediately i was like that’s gonna flop, not even knowing a single other thing about it… which sucks, it shouldn’t be that way… but i figured anyone who doesn’t know what it is (& to be fair, if you have no interest in psychology or the French language, why would you?) will feel like they’re being talked down to/it’s a “smug” movie (Americans would anyway, especially bc French) & i feel like that’s a pretty large portion of casual (again, at least in America) viewers…
Hey man I found your channel a few weeks ago and I'm a big fan. I think your subscriber count is lagging a bit behind the quality of your videos. If don't mind, I'd like to offer one piece of unsolicited constructive criticism: Your vocal delivery is lacking and I think it's limiting the growth of your channel. This is superficial, of course, but it matters. Try projecting your voice into the microphone instead of just "speaking" into it. Open your mouth a bit more when you speak and enunciate your words. Your vocal delivery sounds like it's being heavily covered by your lips, almost like you're hiding your words. Dont overcompensate and yell into the mic, but enunciate fully and confidently and allow the mic to pick that up. I think you'll see a significant boost if you do that. Either way, great channel, great vid, looking forward to the next one!
Thanks for the kind words and constructive criticism! Yeah, I need to improve how I speak. This is just how I've spoken for so long and it's wickedly difficult to break such an ingrained - indeed, basic - habit. I already finished some videos with how I normally speak, but I've started doing some vocal exercises to help with that as I work on higher quality videos. Hopefully you'll see some difference when I come out with those in November. But this was clearer and helpful on what I should do to improve - so thanks again!
Just as crazy as the last transformers movie flopping for the lack of michael bay ... Clearly anything that earns one chillon dollars is much better that one that earn nothing....
@@motor4X4kombat I think it probably broke even, but yeah, no Bay level success or T1/Bumblebee type critical reception. I saw it in theaters and it was fine, but it lacked Bays energy.
@@Syntopikon i was beeing sarcastic... transformers one was the best transformers movie in decades and it makes me angry that it didn't earn nothing while the bayformers are still there earning more shit.
I love your channel, but I have to push back on your appraisal of Joker 2. That film might have failed, but I think the creative value of it is being undercut massively by less than reasonable expectations. That film works fantastically as a true psychological study, and not the freshman level psych of the first film, an actual representation of how people with major disorders interface with reality. It's ironically the kind of film that would end up on Criterion or shown in an art gallery had it been an indie film. Point is, I can see it being reappraised down the line for the narrative risks it takes by serious film enthusiasts like many great films have dealt with. I'm not even saying it's a great film, but definitely not a bad film. Just give it time to find the audience it deserves.
I think you make a good case for it being reappraised down the line, and I think that's possible - the dust has yet to fully settle. But I think this kind of movie could also have been done at half the cost, which would've been much easier to stomach even if it had lost money. I think the scale of the loss is what brings the heft to it: $200 million is an eye watering amount of money.
@@Syntopikon That is fair. But to cushion that blow, remember those are gross costs. I haven't seen their books, but I'd venture tax incentives brings that total cost to maybe half that on the back end. It's still crazy expensive, but not out of the norm for these blockbusters.
Looks like Todd Phillips is really not good at making sequels. Despite The Hangover 2 and 3 were box office success, they failed to have the same positive reviews as the first Hangover movie. I feel like both The Hangover and Joker should’ve just stayed as a standalone movies. Nobody ask for sequels.
@@Syntopikon I do like that one, don't get me wrong. Definitely a sucker for disaster flicks (who isn't?). But I'm also a massive sucker for John Cusack, so 2012 just hits a sweet spot. Also, big soft spot for the weird rich Russian dude from that movie 😂 I cheered when he managed to throw his kids onto the ark. Didn't expect to care!
I’ve seen Heaven’s Gate and thought it was a pretty decent movie, locked inside a bloated epic. Just a few prudent cuts, getting rid of the irrelevant bits would have made it at least a decent movie, if not a classic.
It's an interesting film. The first cut, now lost, is 5+ hours long, so in this case, "prudent" might mean half the film lol But there is a decent movie in there. At the very least, you (mostly) see the budget on screen. And when you dig a little deeper to the lengths Cimino went to get his vision, you *definitely* see it on screen.
@@Syntopikon : Well, the version I saw was on Amazon Prime which was 2 hours and change, and even that would have made a better film if reduced to 1 hour 30 to 50 minutes, in all probability. What commended it was the restored colour, getting rid of the saturated look it released with (which certainly made it a less depressing looking experience) but it was shown on TV not long after its original release and I remembered it from back then (yes, I really am that old) as being pretty much the same version. That whole school sequence seems unnecessary, though it would be sad to lose one of Joseph Cotton’s last cinematic performances. I can see how the director wants us to see the characters pass through three generations, but there’s no sub-plot, or mini-story, to rescue from it, just the pervasive sense of optimism and possibility, which will be crushed out of the surviving characters by the end. Yet that could have been more powerfully shown as a short sequence like the final sequence in which Chris Christofferson’s character is lamenting the past from the deck of his yacht. It does seem a shame that it ruined Camino’s career like that, since he was obviously talented. I would ask critics if they couldn’t see a resucuable project in there? There is nothing terrible in the script, other than its meandering beginning and there are certainly no poor acting performances. And, as you say, the budget is all up there on the screen, even in the scenes of poverty, so it’s visually arresting enough.
You need to stop creating redundancies in your video. It's really frustrating. You make good points and i like the topics but you constantly fill out the runtime with the same stuff you've already said before
Folio a Deux is a great movie. I understand why others don’t like it. But the acid and venom personally directed towards Phillips and Phoenix is distasteful verging on mania. Even the mess that is Megalopolis has been spared that.
@@stevemcintyre7530 I think that’s because Megalopolis was more of the same from Coppola, who hasn’t had a hit in 30 years. Plus, he fronted his own money, so he could’ve done as he wanted. Phillips had the deal to a very successful movie and it, seemingly, went off the rails. It’s similar to what happened on Heavens Gate.
Where are those great reviews for Furiousa?? That was a bad movie. It looked goofy and completely green screen. The acting was rough. The only good thing I can think of is all the deepfakes looked really good.
You have good intentions and some of the info is interesting but half of it is grievously wrong. There's a serious lack of research. And you also might not want to be pushing your apalling taste in movies.
I'm curious to see if that'll be the case, and it very well might be. Some movies take a long time to find an audience, like The Night of the Hunter. The dust has settled on whether or not it's a box office catastrophe (it is) but it remains to be seen how the movie will be received by future audiences. Maybe, when it's on Max, it might go up in esteem. I think people that are unwilling to spend $15 on it now will give it a chance when it's part of a subscription.
C'mon, Phillips' career is not destroyed. He's not getting another 200 mln dollar movie and his relationship with WB is probably damaged since he pretty much scammed them into making big budget version of Blonde, but that doesn't mean he's not getting another mid budget project at another studio. Even Nia DaCosta recovered quickly after pretty similar flop (financially) and she doesn't have nearly the same clout behind her.
You are too hasty speaking about Todd Phillips in a video called 'Movies that wrecked directors".. Seems a little needy for content? I like this channel but i'm not a fan of this video 🤷
@@OvercookedOctopusFeet There’s a solid argument for both. I’m thinking of Phillips in the Cimino context: a solid director getting a lot of money and Final Cut for a box office disaster. That Final Cut part is important, I think, because it also zeroes the faults in on him. He can’t say there was studio interference or similar.
WB paid Todd Phillips 20 millions to do a Joker movie and did a Joker move instead.
Not bad 👏
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In slight defense of Phillips. Not the movie but Phillips. He made his position clear he didn't want to make a sequel. And WB threw the kitchen sink at him. And said do whatever the hell you want. At that point isn't WB's fault. At that point just hire someone else to do it.
Excuses excuses @@stdamonsbeard
@@starkiller3098 I mean I’m right. But Todd still made a terrible movie and ruined his reputation.
Joker 2 makes The Hangover 3 seem like Citizen Kane.
@@budthechud9795 😬
Dang 🙆😂
Phillips wanted to do a Jacob’s Ladder style Scarecrow movie which sounded way better than Joker 2.
How to make a movie that doesn't wrecked director career
Step 1: keep it a low or average budget
Step 2: make sure the audience test screeching is good before release the movie worldwide
Step 3: a good marketing for the movie is important
You're welcome
@@USER.EXE.RUclips Yup. Some variability is fine. Like if you keep the budget low enough, forgo the test screening if you want because it might be a passion project (and sometimes they can make it worse). But for a $200m movie? Yeah, they should’ve tested it. Too much ego in this movie.
Yeah but you can’t keep it low budget when you add reshoots and advertising
4: Don't go woke
Ang Lee's Gemini Man is one of those 90s action films that just doesn't work nowadays. A premise like that is seen more as goofy today then it probably would've been if made back then. I really hope he gets his Bruce Lee biopic off the ground because he's a truly talented filmmaker.
Lee is Talented and versatile. He’s got 3 Oscars already I think. One for best foreign language film and two for best director.
@@ajtaylor8750 I think Will Smith was also unnecessary to the movie. It would’ve been cheaper, and I’m not sure he has the same draw as he did in the aughts.
I don't think the problem is the premise of it "just not working nowadays." The real problem with the film is that it just wasn't very good.
@@Syntopikoni think will Smith is what hurt this movie the most. This was right around the time people were getting fatigued with him as an actor. Throw in his personal life bs and nepotism to his kids and it was doomed.
Emmerich career was already becoming a trainwreck after 2012, his white house movie paid itself but didn't make money, independence Day 2 is the same, them came Midway (actually a good historical movie) bombed, moonfall was the final straw, and think that he wanted to be the first of a new trilogy.
@@samuelcrows Yup. I’d say it started at Resurgence because WHD at least didn’t lose money. I hope he gets back in the saddle 😮💨
@@Syntopikon I don't.
RDJ was incredibly passionate about Dolittle, he spent a significant portion of his JRE podcast appearance talking about it, considering he was at his peak Avengers fame, everyone was clamouring for him, it's likely that neither Universal or even Gaghan were passionate about the project, but rather the fact they had scored RDJ at the peak of his career. Also it's interesting given Dolittle made RDJ reconsider his career partially, I do wonder if it is part of what prompted his return to Marvel.
Yeah, Gaghan wasn't even the first choice. He just got attached to the project, seemingly, for no reason, and was thrown into the fire. To your point of RDJ reconsidering his career, I read in an article that after Dolittle flopped is when he also separated from some people that were helping him choose projects. I think Oppenheimer might've been his first project with his new team.
I didn't like Joker Folie a Deux the first time I saw it in theaters, but after it went on digital, it really isn't that bad of a movie. Certainly didn't need a budget of $200 million but it wasn't the worst movie ever made or anything. Decent conclusion to the Arthur Fleck story, and a Joker movie was always going to mess with expectations and prank the audience. 7/10
The truth is that Phillips had no good ideas for Joker 2, didn't even want to make a Joker 2, so took inspiration wherever it was coming from (in any form) so he didn't have to turn down a big paycheck. I'm sure Phoenix was flattered that he would follow his dream as the inspirer, and probably even thought Phillips capable of making it more interesting. He wasn't. It was a bad idea full stop. Phillips should have turned down the big paycheck, I doubt his career will recover any time soon.
@@FrancisXLord Yup. Granted, I don’t know if he was contractually obligated to do this movie or if he really thought he had something, but whatever he does next, the studio and producers are going to rein him in. Certainly won’t be no bonuses on this movie lol
His films collectively grossed over 2 billion even before the first Joker, pushed over 3 after it, so I don't doubt he'll have much trouble getting another small comedy off the ground or something, but definitely under watchful eyes, and all the better for it I hope. Any work he does with Lawrence Sher is a treat to look at.
@@kevlopz3374 Definitely under watchful eyes. Sometimes constraints are good. The first Joker was more restrained and it was better for it.
I would have included Stuart Baird, who only directed Star Trek Nemesis in 2002.
This is a great channel. Another very enjoyable video. 👏👏
@@joshtodd2369 Glad you enjoyed it!
Of all the directors mentioned here, Ang Lee is the one that stands out as a "drama auteur" who can absolutely deliver within that genre given the right source material (some of his most critically acclaimed movies were based on famous novels). But as soon as he attempts to leave that comfort zone and to play the Hollywood blockbuster game, things tend to go sideways. As a side note, I'm also intrigued by Clint Eastwood's trajectory as a director. He doesn't do summer blockbusters, but during the 90s and 2000s, he did give us some of the most unforgettable classics of our time. But something happened in the 2010s. Though 'American Sniper' got some Oscar buzz, it doesn't hold a candle to his previous successes. After that, he seemed to stop trying. It's a total mystery, and it'd be great to hear what you think - if you know his stuff.
Re: Eastwood, Sully and Richard Jewell were both pretty good films that were made after American Sniper.
@@sorenpx Yes, I actually enjoyed those, as well as 'The Mule,' but I felt (just my opinion) they're a little slapdash, not packing the same punch as, say, 'Mystic River,' 'Madison County,' or 'Unforgiven.'
@@edwardong8660 I think that, as is true for most directors, Clint did his best work earlier in his career. Or really, for Clint, it was probably mid-career where he peaked. But a few missteps aside, like Cry Macho, he's continued to make solid films in his later years. We can contrast that with directors who have fallen off HARD in the later stages of their careers, for example, Brian de Palma and Renny Harlin.
By the way, if you're not aware, Clint has what I'm sure will be his final film coming out in just a few weeks. If you haven't already seen it, go look up the trailer for Juror No. 2.
@sorenpx I'm actually looking forward to 'Juror #2' as it stars Toni Collette, who can do wonders with the right role!
I have no idea what happened to Furiosa. It’s SUCH a good movie- and it stands right up alongside Fury Road. It is, perhaps, a shade less focused than Fury Road, but the scope of the movie is larger.
Furiosa had great leads, interesting characters, that same frenetic editing and visual style- it expands on the locations and lore of the world. It gives you everything you could want in a sequel. So sad that it didn’t do better.
I think it's a number of things: 9 year since the last Mad Max, no Max (except for a silhouette), and I don't think the chase sequence measured up to Fury Road. Overall, it's a great movie (though I prefer Fury Road) and I wish it had gotten the love it deserved. At the very least, critics and audiences that watched it seemed to like it, and I think it'll get some Academy Award nods, which will be a saving grace + a cap in Miller's feature to get his next movie done.
@@Syntopikon Furiosa is also performing well on home video, so....
To be brutally honest... Phillips going in the "movie jail" is no loss. The Joker is overrated. Phoenix carries the movie. Without him it's just a average copy of much better Scorsese movies.
@@tumppuman Yeah, the comparisons to Taxi Driver were quite extensive. I think it’s impressive what he did on a mid-budget, though I think squandering $200m is, in own way, more impressive. He should’ve made a 4 hour crime epic with an intermission if he wanted to go big.
Saying that the lead actor carries the movie... The lead actor who's present for 95% of the run time... It's not as condemning as you think it is bro.
@@spacefaringyoshi But there is more to a good movie than one performance. Story for example. But if the only thing actually good or existing in a movie is the performance of the protagonist you don't really have a good movie, but a good performance.
Even with Phoenix, it's just an imitation. There's nothing original about it.
just wanna say i love your channel and keep up the good work! you clearly have an encyclopedic knowledge of the film industry and it shows
@@TheEagleEnigma Thanks for the kind words. I hope you enjoy future videos, too.
Pitof goes mononyous for his first movie and gets blown away. He stayed away from embarrassment.
Folie a Deux and the Anecdote about Paul "Taxi Driver" Schrader walking out actually lead me to discover a bit of trivia: Schrader actually once tried to write for a big budget franchise flick; in this case 2004's Exorcist: The Beginning (aka. Dominion: The Prequel to The Exorcist). However, his experience working on it drove him so mad that he swore off writing franchise films.
Between Joker: Folie a Deux and Exorcist: The Beginning (and other shameless attempts at milking The Exorcist mill dry after 3 wrapped up everything well), all I can say is: "Give a Retread a Calculator and they'll use it as a TV remote. Give a Hollywood big wig a perfectly good standalone film/completed trilogy, and they'll shamelessly try turning it into a billion dollar franchise." Some things are better off left alone.
For the benefit of all mankind, Alex Kurtzman needs to go to Movie Jail and kept there. He single-handedly RUINED the Star Trek franchise.
@@Ciborium I actually liked the newer Star Trek movies 😭 But I came to them first, so might have something to do with it.
Was about to say that. The fact he's ignored all cannon that came before, shows he didn't really care about the original Star Trek.
Comparing emmerich and bay(career wise) is funny when you consider how much better Midway was to Pearl Harbor
@@tedrbeast420 Lol yup. But overall, I think Bay does large scale movies a bit better. I think he’s also capable of doing smaller movies, like Pain & Gain.
@@SyntopikonPain and Gain, Ambulance and 13 Hours.
"Studios prefer money" was such an unexpectedly funny insert. On the page it sounds so obvious it's inane, but something about the context made it hilarious. Bravo 👌
Glad you like it lol. I actually find it really useful to sometimes state the obvious because sometimes it's so taken for granted, we end up forgetting it. I know it's happened to me a lot. Sometimes, reminding myself is helpful.
Brilliant as usual my friend
@@polyestermammoth740 Glad you enjoyed it. And thanks for! 👊
Moonfall could have been just a stupid but fun scifi action movie, but just like The Meg, the very very blatant chinese government influence gives the whole thing a really weird vibe, especially in scenes that shoehorn in random chinese stars.
Anyone who enjoys film will be better off if Kurtzman never works again. JJ Abrams' nepobabies are the worst.
JJ Abrams has made some good movies, but almost everything Alex Kurtzman touches seems to turn to shit.
@@TAFARockWarrior97 I was accusing JJ abrams of being the reason kurtzman gets so much work, nothing more nothing less. cheers.
Its amazing that WB didnt learn from Matrix Resurrections and what happens when you try to hold a director hostage with their IP and force em to make a sequel. As if sabotaged wouldn't happen twice
Self-sabotage is a literal pastime there, I think.
They didn’t learn anything since Matrix 5 is coming regardless of Resurrection being a disaster.
I actually found Resurrections to be quite entertaining in a weird way. It was extremely interesting.
Great video. I still can't believe how bad Joker 2 turned out. I already knew a sequel was unnecessary and pointless but i had no idea how much disdain it would have for people who enjoyed the first movie. Todd Phillips deserves movie jail, as far as i'm concerned.
I am sad about George Miller though. It takes him ages to make movies and hes already up there in age. I liked Mad Max Fury Road but i just don't think Furioso needed a solo movie. Shes not a character i was interested in seeing by herself.
I'm sad that we will likely never get a REAL Mad Max movie with Mel Gibson as an older Max. Kinda like Logan.
@@Makoto03 Agreed. I think going so diametrically opposed from Joker 1 was a bad move. Warner Bros. shouldn’t have forced what seemed like a bad idea from the jump.
Agreed on Furiosa. I think going with The Wasteland would’ve been the right move for Miller. I think the mystery was a big part of her backstory and I wish it would’ve stayed like that.
Mel Gibson’s return might be the way for Miller to get another one made. They both seem to get along well and I’m sure there’s a story they could find. Gibson is a pretty loyal guy, too, so I think he would return.
Furiousa is my fav movie of the year so far
It's a great movie. Dune 2 is my favorite of the year so far.
Oh woah you really did add Joker 2
The projected $200m loss was too much.
I think is too soon for Todd Philips, if he makes a sequel of the Hangover or Road Trip, he Will be back in the game
@@HistoriaenCeluloide I think that would depend on the size of the hit. It would need to gross quite a bit. I think he’s a fine director, though I think he has too much money and power this go around.
😅😅😅 good luck financing those movies
@@gabbyb7347 they're comdies, they shouldn't cost much
@@gabbyb7347 I hope he had one lined up because he’s gonna have to fight for a budget 😭
@@Syntopikon as he should. You make a crap expensive movie that nobody watches you don't get a budget. It's poetic
Hot take: joker 2 isn’t very good, but it’s artistically one of the most interesting sequels of recent memory. I’d much rather take a movie that takes a big swing and hits a foul ball over a boring generic sequel any day of the week.
@@NealFowler I think that’s where it’s necessary to find a happy medium. $200m is a wild amount of money and so they could’ve done pretty much anything (like a 3.5 hour epic a la Cimino except the western part). But it’s definitely one of the biggest swings in recent memory, alongside Megalopolis (though I think that was a bit wilder because Coppola put up his own money).
@@Syntopikon joker's problem is that it has great ideas but never executes them to their potential. the musical numbers are a great idea, but there are far too many that all repeat the same story and themes and they don't evolve enough as the movie goes on. you could remove half of them, really develop the other half and have a much better and more thematically cohesive movie. sometimes producer input is a good thing, good artists know when to listen and when not to.
"Moonfall" was a total disaster
@@pkvanderzee6226 As a movie, too, unfortunately. I saw it after the fact and was not a fan, even though I usually like this style of movie and Emmerich.
@@Syntopikon The idea of a certain Moonfall happening is epic and real Emmerich..If only they had stick to that. When the whole alien thing happened..I was thinking God safe us..from this movie
a true artist knows when to stop
I love Moonfall! I watched it 3 or 4 times already. It's classic Emmerich
I'm never going to watch either of the Joker movies again. As far as I'm concerned, they never happen. Mission accomplished Todd and Phoenix.
Time for Todd Phillips to make The Hangover 4 🤓
Thank you for showing the 1998 Godzilla some love. Always enjoyed it and think it does its job fairly well. Emmerich knows what he can do. When he's bad, he's awful.
Yup. Someone else noted that when Emmerich is good, he's great. And, as you say, when he's bad, he's awful. Godzilla 1998 is, in the vein of ID4, a wonderful action flick. Zilla in New York always fulfills something I want to see: giant monsters in big cities. It's why I like Jurassic Park: The Lost World. The T Rex in San Diego is one of my favorite scenes in any movie.
@@SyntopikonThe thing with Godzilla 98 is that it shouldn't be a godzilla movie.
Agreed on Godzilla 98, I LOVE that movie and mustve seen it 1000 times between the theater, vhs, dvd and youtube clips.
👊 Happy to find another fan of it. It's a wickedly fun movie.
Furiosa is a damn good movie.
@@michaelsinger4638 I enjoyed it. It’ll always been compared to Fury Road, an impossible bar, but all Mad Max movies are worth watching in theaters. Cinema at its finest.
i don’t think i’ve ever been more disappointed in a sequel then joker 2. I really liked the first one
I love the original Joker film (although it rehashed Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, I actually had preference to it, as I found it slightly more empathetic) but, I actually liked the Joker sequel. I usually do not like subverting expectations, however, I think it hit for me, despite "betraying" its own audience. It also, shows the fragility of the audience whose conscience it reflects. I think in the future, reception will change.
Can they make a super hero movie with old characters kinda like Mermaid man and Barnacle boy? lol
Todd Phillips, Patty Jenkins and Nia Dacosta should be given life sentences in movie prison.
On the flip side, FREE Alex Proyas!!!
Nia DaCosta?
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdomThe Marvels
@@LordoftheSerpents I know The Marvels. But Nia DaCosta was pretty upfront that it was Feige's movie and not hers.
Disney would later throw her under the bus, with Iger saying that the problem with The Marvels was "lack of executives on set".
Nah, putting DaCosta in Director Jail means letting Disney get away.
George Miller directing Thor 5 is getting closer to reality.
I'd watch it, yeah. As long Disney would realize they have George Miller.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom That would be a joy to see. Love and Thunder is probably my least favorite Marvel movie 😞
*Here's hoping Todd Philips is BlackLiizted for Joker 2.*
Regarding Emmerich, when he's good, the guy is great, but unfortunately he's very inconsistent as a director. In my opinion Independence Day and The Patriot are far and away his best films, though I did also enjoy Midway (which should've done much better financially), The Day After Tomorrow and Stargate. Independence Day: Resurgence and Moonfall were both absolutely terrible, though. Both are awful films that made me wonder if Emmerich has just lost it as a director.
One problem with his more recent films is the over-reliance on CGI. Independence Day still looks so awesome because of its use of miniatures and other practical effects instead of just lazily relying on CGI for everything. ID: Resurgence, on the other hand, looks like a video game cut scene. Everything is cartoony and weightless and much less awe-inspiring.
@@sorenpx Independence Day is definitely his best in my opinion, followed by Godzilla, and TDAT for me. But you’re right: he’s quite inconsistent and, after 2012/White House Down, it’s been quite the decline. I think maybe he wants to do different stories, because it seems like he’s moving more into TV now, but I hope he gets his touch back. ID4 still has the best speech of all time. I want that Emmerich back.
Re: CGI, you’re right that it feels weightless and cartoony. I got that on Moonfall and Resurgence. As much flack as Michael Bay gets for his reliance on CGI, it usually feels kinetic and impactful. I’d like more of that from Emmerich.
@@Syntopikon I want to like Godzilla but I just can't do it. I gave the movie another shot a few years ago and, while I thought it started well, somewhere around the hour mark the movie just starts to feel like the narrative is no longer advancing in any meaningful way. I don't know. I guess I would have to try to watch it yet again to give some intelligent thoughts on it but every time I give that movie a chance I end up disappointed with it.
In regard to Emmerich wanting to do different kinds of stories, I do remember that he did that Anonymous movie about Shakespeare a number of years ago. I've tried two or three times to watch and don't think I've ever made it more than 20 minutes in before bailing. Maybe there's a good movie in there and I'll discover it if I just sit down and commit to watching it all the way through.
The CGI problem is easily fixed: Just go back to using miniatures when they are the best solution. But for whatever reason, he seems uninterested in doing that. Is it laziness? Is it a fascination with the tech? Is it studio interference? I don't know. But if Emmerich ever rediscovers practical effects, it will instantly make his films much better.
Lastly, regarding Bay, his film Ambulance from a few years ago was pretty good and deserved more attention (and more box office money) than it got. It felt a lot like a 90s action movie, which is a good thing. It was easily the best thing he had made since 2016's 13 Hours.
Warner bros buring money still not learn single thing that we want to entertain not lecture😂
I just didn't like Furiosa. Especially after the sublime perfection of Fury Road.
That's fair. I don't think it was as good as Fury Road - a hard act to follow - but was enjoyable enough. But, if anything, he should've continued with Max.
Folie a deux means something along the lines of a shared madness, seems to be a common term in the psychological field but in this case represents Harley supposedly being as crazy as Joker, a dance of two.
Still, the story had nothing to tell, and one can notice it with the constant rethread to the original, in a bad way, with directorial regrets
@@valthenvega2434 Some titles translate well over to English (Le samouraï), but I’m not sure if that was the case here, along with the musical aspect.
I know some people think movies should play it less safe, but I think this went far too far in the other direction. There’s something to be said for subverting expectations, but that usually results in polarization, not wholesale disdain which seems to be the case here.
9:19 I’m glad I’m not the only who liked 2012. It’s one of my favorite guilty pleasure “Disaster Movies” that I rewatch once in a while.
@@OdaNobunaga15 Excellent choice. It’s a fun movie. Day After Tomorrow is probably still my favorite, but 2012 is top 5, if not top 3
I'd rather have Kurtzman direct another shitty movie than continuing his involvement in the Star Trek-franchise, to be honest.
@@kuribayashi84 I liked those movies 😭
@@Syntopikon I can live with the movies. But... lets just say that most of what he did for ST on the small screen has *really* not been my cup of tea.
@@kuribayashi84 Ah, I thought you were talking about his writing work on the movies there, which is what I revert to. That’s fair.
Yeah, just a WILD idea.. But doing a "Max Max" show WITHOUT Mad Max, kinda should've given them "pause", it doesn't take a precognitive to know how it would do.
"The Mummy", to me, was just a VERY confusing mess... It couldn't figure out if it was action, or if it was "american werewolf in london", or if it was "the league of extraordinary gentlemen"... WAAY too many "pieces" of other movies.
Your criticism of The Mummy is spot on. It's the biggest problem with studios that want their cinematic universe - they look at Avengers and try to get that from the jump, instead of building naturally from the ground up. DC had the same issue with BVS. Their eagerness led to their ruin.
My favorite critical and commercial bomb is Strange Wilderness, absolutely hilarious. It's so bad it's good imo
That's a movie I've neither heard of or seen. One to add to the list. Thanks!
WB executive: Okay, Todd. We’ve greenlit the sequel to The Joker. We’re expecting big things. Our break-even number is $450M. What have you got for us?
Todd Phillips: I’m thinking… musical.
WB executive: Hahaha! Oh Todd, there’s the genius sense of humor that brought us The Hangover 1 and the Hangover 2 and the Hangover 3. But seriously… what have you got for us?
Todd Phillips: No… seriously. We get Lady Gaga to play Harley Quinn. You saw her in A Star is Born, right?
WB executive: Alright… maybe that could work. Like her and the Joker go on a manic crime spree through 70’s era Gotham and it’s set to a bunch of fun glam rock songs?
Todd Phillips: Sure… except it’s confined almost entirely to Arkham Asylum and it’s a bunch of schmaltzy show tunes and there’s not any real action or suspense.
WB executive: Okay… but it has a big, action packed ending, right? They have to get out of Arkham sometime…
Todd Phillips: The third act exists almost entirely in a courtroom?
WB executive: Ah… so like a legal thriller? Okay. There’s an audience for that.
Todd Phillips: Nah, they just go there and sing some more stupid fucking songs.
WB executive: Todd… I’m going to be honest with you. This sounds like a terrible idea and I cannot possibly envision an audience who would want this film as you’ve described it.
Todd Phillips: Well it’s either this or I can make The Hangover 4. My idea there is that the four guys have a crazy drug and alcohol fueled night and, when they wake up the next morning, one of the guys is lost. And the other guys have to retrace their steps and go look for him, leading to hijinks.
WB executive: That is the EXACT same plot as the first three Hangover movies.
Todd Phillips: Well this one happens on the moon.
WB executive: Fuck it, here’s the money for Joker 2. Just do me a favor and don’t give it some goofy title. “The Joker Part 2” will be just fine. We’re going to have a hard enough marketing this thing as is.
Todd Phillips: Uhhh… yeah… we can talk about that.
Musical can be good, I enjoy musical, but joker 2 musical is a snore
I'm not saying I don't like either one of the two latest Mad Max movie but it's not a Mad Max movie without Mad Max and therefore I don't count the last two movies as Mad Max so to me Mad Max died with Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome which really sucks because that was my favorite Mad Max movie
Stephen Sommers being in movie jail will always be a tragedy to me. The mummy movies and Van helsing were amazingly fun films and i dont blame him for GI Joe Rise of Cobra's issues.
I personally like alot of things about that film despite its issues relating to how well its adapted but i also cant forget that Channing Tatum was a massive sourpuss during that production
I am still waiting for Deep Rising 2 despite knowing it will never happen.😢
I still like Todd Phillips and will be looking forward to his next film.
The man who fell to earth series was an absolute disaster. Very odd show. Bit sequel and reboot at once without the sheer oddness that Bowie brought to the role of Newton.
Joker 2 should of never happened. I mean Todd Phillips didn't even wanted to do it
Yup. Bad idea to force someone into doing something. There are exceptions - I don't think Francis Ford Coppola necessarily wanted to do The Godfather, but had to for the money - but in general, the director shoudl want it.
I would not be surprised that Todd Phillips goes into Movie Jail for this huge disaster. He didn't want to do it, but he got Michael Cimino money and had to do _something._ Unfortunately, he listened to crazy man (Phoenix) and that was his downfall. Could "Joker: Fully a Deuce" have been good? Sure, with a different writer, different story, different theme, maybe.
I don't think Joaquin Phoenix will be punished. He will be kept out of the writer's room, given a coloring book and crayons, and told to wait in the next room. Phoenix is too good of a dramatic actor. He will find work again.
Lady Gaga got her acting fame from "A Star Is Born". Good singer. Adequate actress, or at least not worse than Gal Gadot. If there is another music-based film again, she will be in the running for it. She always has music and performing to fall back on.
@@Ciborium I think Phoenix might have a hard time as well because this coincides with his dramatic exit from another movie. But yeah, the Cimino of it all will definitely impact Phillips. You’re right that he shouldn’t have listened to Phoenix. That, or just forgone the money and asked them to find something else.
Joker 2 was created by a guy who's early work was a documentary on GG Allin so being a professional troll isn’t out Todd Phillips wheelhouse. I honestly think he joe Dante'd this thing and deliberately sabotaged the sequel. The checks cleared, Todd Phillips wins regardless
It really sucks cuz like I really liked Gemini Man a lot and that sucks it flopped
1:03 i remember when i heard the title & immediately i was like that’s gonna flop, not even knowing a single other thing about it… which sucks, it shouldn’t be that way… but i figured anyone who doesn’t know what it is (& to be fair, if you have no interest in psychology or the French language, why would you?) will feel like they’re being talked down to/it’s a “smug” movie (Americans would anyway, especially bc French) & i feel like that’s a pretty large portion of casual (again, at least in America) viewers…
Hey man I found your channel a few weeks ago and I'm a big fan. I think your subscriber count is lagging a bit behind the quality of your videos. If don't mind, I'd like to offer one piece of unsolicited constructive criticism:
Your vocal delivery is lacking and I think it's limiting the growth of your channel. This is superficial, of course, but it matters. Try projecting your voice into the microphone instead of just "speaking" into it. Open your mouth a bit more when you speak and enunciate your words. Your vocal delivery sounds like it's being heavily covered by your lips, almost like you're hiding your words. Dont overcompensate and yell into the mic, but enunciate fully and confidently and allow the mic to pick that up. I think you'll see a significant boost if you do that.
Either way, great channel, great vid, looking forward to the next one!
Thanks for the kind words and constructive criticism!
Yeah, I need to improve how I speak. This is just how I've spoken for so long and it's wickedly difficult to break such an ingrained - indeed, basic - habit. I already finished some videos with how I normally speak, but I've started doing some vocal exercises to help with that as I work on higher quality videos. Hopefully you'll see some difference when I come out with those in November.
But this was clearer and helpful on what I should do to improve - so thanks again!
It’s crazy that a Mad Max movie without Mad Max in it flopped.
@@Sndwvvvve Lol The Wasteland would’ve been the right move
But it wasn't a Mad Max movie, it's 'Furiosa'; it just sets in the same continuity. A spin-off prequel.
And as it happens, Mad Max was actually in it.
Just as crazy as the last transformers movie flopping for the lack of michael bay ...
Clearly anything that earns one chillon dollars is much better that one that earn nothing....
@@motor4X4kombat I think it probably broke even, but yeah, no Bay level success or T1/Bumblebee type critical reception. I saw it in theaters and it was fine, but it lacked Bays energy.
@@Syntopikon i was beeing sarcastic... transformers one was the best transformers movie in decades and it makes me angry that it didn't earn nothing while the bayformers are still there earning more shit.
Todd Phillips needs to be banned from making movies after joker 2
@@aaronn8191 He might not have a choice. A $200m loss with terrible reviews is going to be hard to bounce back from.
I love your channel, but I have to push back on your appraisal of Joker 2. That film might have failed, but I think the creative value of it is being undercut massively by less than reasonable expectations. That film works fantastically as a true psychological study, and not the freshman level psych of the first film, an actual representation of how people with major disorders interface with reality. It's ironically the kind of film that would end up on Criterion or shown in an art gallery had it been an indie film. Point is, I can see it being reappraised down the line for the narrative risks it takes by serious film enthusiasts like many great films have dealt with. I'm not even saying it's a great film, but definitely not a bad film. Just give it time to find the audience it deserves.
I think you make a good case for it being reappraised down the line, and I think that's possible - the dust has yet to fully settle. But I think this kind of movie could also have been done at half the cost, which would've been much easier to stomach even if it had lost money. I think the scale of the loss is what brings the heft to it: $200 million is an eye watering amount of money.
@@Syntopikon That is fair. But to cushion that blow, remember those are gross costs. I haven't seen their books, but I'd venture tax incentives brings that total cost to maybe half that on the back end. It's still crazy expensive, but not out of the norm for these blockbusters.
"His TV work has good reviews"? Kurtzman destroyed Star Trek.
Looks like Todd Phillips is really not good at making sequels. Despite The Hangover 2 and 3 were box office success, they failed to have the same positive reviews as the first Hangover movie. I feel like both The Hangover and Joker should’ve just stayed as a standalone movies. Nobody ask for sequels.
Yesss Roland emmerich! 2012 is such a good disaster movie.
@@Robert-ju6ub Yup. Would like more of those kinds of movies (though TDAT is my personal favorite)
@@Syntopikon I do like that one, don't get me wrong. Definitely a sucker for disaster flicks (who isn't?). But I'm also a massive sucker for John Cusack, so 2012 just hits a sweet spot. Also, big soft spot for the weird rich Russian dude from that movie 😂 I cheered when he managed to throw his kids onto the ark. Didn't expect to care!
@@Robert-ju6ub Lol right on. We don’t have nearly enough disaster movies. Moonfall had potential but, alas, squandered it.
9:10 no it isn't
Them be fighting words 😤
Joker three on netflix or streaming i think.
Should end Joaquin and Todd for at least 5 years
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I’ve seen Heaven’s Gate and thought it was a pretty decent movie, locked inside a bloated epic. Just a few prudent cuts, getting rid of the irrelevant bits would have made it at least a decent movie, if not a classic.
It's an interesting film. The first cut, now lost, is 5+ hours long, so in this case, "prudent" might mean half the film lol
But there is a decent movie in there. At the very least, you (mostly) see the budget on screen. And when you dig a little deeper to the lengths Cimino went to get his vision, you *definitely* see it on screen.
@@Syntopikon : Well, the version I saw was on Amazon Prime which was 2 hours and change, and even that would have made a better film if reduced to 1 hour 30 to 50 minutes, in all probability. What commended it was the restored colour, getting rid of the saturated look it released with (which certainly made it a less depressing looking experience) but it was shown on TV not long after its original release and I remembered it from back then (yes, I really am that old) as being pretty much the same version.
That whole school sequence seems unnecessary, though it would be sad to lose one of Joseph Cotton’s last cinematic performances. I can see how the director wants us to see the characters pass through three generations, but there’s no sub-plot, or mini-story, to rescue from it, just the pervasive sense of optimism and possibility, which will be crushed out of the surviving characters by the end. Yet that could have been more powerfully shown as a short sequence like the final sequence in which Chris Christofferson’s character is lamenting the past from the deck of his yacht.
It does seem a shame that it ruined Camino’s career like that, since he was obviously talented. I would ask critics if they couldn’t see a resucuable project in there? There is nothing terrible in the script, other than its meandering beginning and there are certainly no poor acting performances. And, as you say, the budget is all up there on the screen, even in the scenes of poverty, so it’s visually arresting enough.
Well I was right right from the beginning when I said it was going to be a musical I said it will be a huge bomb and it looks like I was 100% right
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how abt a success story?
@@eyesofpicasso Getting one of those ready now.
You need to stop creating redundancies in your video. It's really frustrating. You make good points and i like the topics but you constantly fill out the runtime with the same stuff you've already said before
The joker was honestly bad
Folio a Deux is a great movie. I understand why others don’t like it. But the acid and venom personally directed towards Phillips and Phoenix is distasteful verging on mania. Even the mess that is Megalopolis has been spared that.
@@stevemcintyre7530 I think that’s because Megalopolis was more of the same from Coppola, who hasn’t had a hit in 30 years. Plus, he fronted his own money, so he could’ve done as he wanted. Phillips had the deal to a very successful movie and it, seemingly, went off the rails. It’s similar to what happened on Heavens Gate.
Where are those great reviews for Furiousa?? That was a bad movie. It looked goofy and completely green screen. The acting was rough. The only good thing I can think of is all the deepfakes looked really good.
You have good intentions and some of the info is interesting but half of it is grievously wrong. There's a serious lack of research. And you also might not want to be pushing your apalling taste in movies.
Hot take - Joker 2 isn’t that bad, and will probably become a cult classic ten years from now.
I'm curious to see if that'll be the case, and it very well might be. Some movies take a long time to find an audience, like The Night of the Hunter. The dust has settled on whether or not it's a box office catastrophe (it is) but it remains to be seen how the movie will be received by future audiences. Maybe, when it's on Max, it might go up in esteem. I think people that are unwilling to spend $15 on it now will give it a chance when it's part of a subscription.
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C'mon, Phillips' career is not destroyed. He's not getting another 200 mln dollar movie and his relationship with WB is probably damaged since he pretty much scammed them into making big budget version of Blonde, but that doesn't mean he's not getting another mid budget project at another studio. Even Nia DaCosta recovered quickly after pretty similar flop (financially) and she doesn't have nearly the same clout behind her.
Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga = zzzzzzzzz
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You are too hasty speaking about Todd Phillips in a video called 'Movies that wrecked directors".. Seems a little needy for content? I like this channel but i'm not a fan of this video 🤷
@@OvercookedOctopusFeet There’s a solid argument for both. I’m thinking of Phillips in the Cimino context: a solid director getting a lot of money and Final Cut for a box office disaster. That Final Cut part is important, I think, because it also zeroes the faults in on him. He can’t say there was studio interference or similar.
Someone is sensitive…
Todd Phillips burner account?
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