I've a D6, which I've owned for over 2 years. I average around 70 mpg, mainly charging from home. The car is used for a 90 mile commute (45 each way). I'm unable to charge while I'm at the office, so it could be even better. The benefit for me is the quiet drive around town, no engine vibration, the ability to pre-warm the vehicle on cold days and the quality and comfort is very high. When using diesel this is mainly on the motorway when the engine is warm and running at over 60 mph. In addition when I want it I've the performance and acceleration close to 300 bhp, not fast but swift. I wish I had more range and I will be going to pure electric next but I need to ensure the same quality and comfort is there.
Do you still have the car or did you change/upgrade (if so, what lead to your decision for that)? i am considering getting one of these a 2013 model or a chevrolet volt, similar year. obviously very different cars and power, but the chevy is classified as an ev, so free parking for me... in similar pricings i am very curious about what would be the better choice. Could you let me know the pre-heat/pre-cool: how does it work? Do you do it from an app on your phone or do you have to go to the car to turn that feature on? Does it use the battery for that or does it use the diesel engine (which would be stupid...)? And lastly is that only available during charging or when parked as well (given you have enough battery)? (i will not be charging at home, but would love to be able to pre-heat the car in the morning before leaving. Thank you in advance if you respond to my questions
I drive one for a year now (D5 TE) full options. During the summer I was able to do my commute fully electric (46KM), now I am getting 40KM with the lower temperatures but I still drive 100KM/h most of it. The diesel is quite economic; I had an average of 5l:100km during a 700KM trip with 150KM/h for a longer time. Most of the time I do 2,5L:100KM but since the car uses diesel for the heater when driving fully electric, I am not getting that figures in the colder months.
Wow that's 56mpg (UK) while traveling at over 90mph, did you charge during the trip, or just before starting, I bet you can get 70mpg on a long trip traveling around 70mph, not bad for a 2 ton bus
Do you still have the car or did you change/upgrade (if so, what lead to your decision for that)? i am considering getting one of these a 2013 model or a chevrolet volt, similar year. obviously very different cars and power, but the chevy is classified as an ev, so free parking for me... in similar pricings i am very curious about what would be the better choice. Could you let me know the pre-heat/pre-cool: how does it work? Do you do it from an app on your phone or do you have to go to the car to turn that feature on? Does it use the battery for that or does it use the diesel engine (which would be stupid...)? And lastly is that only available during charging or when parked as well (given you have enough battery)? (i will not be charging at home, but would love to be able to pre-heat the car in the morning before leaving. Thank you in advance if you respond to my questions
@@pasias7785 Replaced the V60 for aTesla Model 3 Performance a while ago. The pre-heat works with diesel but depends if the car has the right "package". Mine was full options so no issues there. Cooling is using the battery since the airco is fully electric and will use the mains when you have the car connected to the grid. The diesel consumption is almost nothing for the pre-heating. Note that, when you drive fully electric, it will also use the diesel heater to heat the car while driving. The V60 is a bit different here in Europe, but it works with an app, or set a timer in the car itself when you don't have the yearly subscription active. Hope this helps!
Surely PHEVs have their place in the market? Used properly they can be zero emission full electric cars for most day to day journeys and commutes, but allow families and business people the freedom to travel much longer distances without range anxiety or interminable waits at service stations for the batteries to charge. I drive a hybrid Mondeo at the moment but I'm really looking forward to getting a BMW 330e. Great performance, green credentials, and lower company car tax. I didn't realise Volvo did a V60 PHEV - it's too pricey for its target market but as a company car driver I'm very interested in this.
If you hate diesel don't drive one, simple. I won't be tempted from my diesel car because I want the instant refuelling, high miles per gallon if driven sensibly and how quiet they are at motorway speeds. I have never been against electric/plugin hybrids. But they have to make it easy for me to jump from one to the other. And because of the price of these cars... can't really compete can they. But the diesel-hybrid makes sense for a lot of people. People who travel large distances. Diesel engine on the motorway where it is most efficient, electric through towns and cities. Yeah sure we can talk all day about people's health etc etc etc, but lets be honest, it needs to make economical sense. If it saves me money, I'm game.
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This is a perfect car for 100km motorway and city centre traffic jam...like my life...daily..This is my dream car
Your channel and others like it is helping in a small way to accelerate the pace of change towards full electric vehicles. Because of people sharing their experiences online we now own a Leaf which does a 110mile round trip commute every day at it ease saving almost €300 per month on petrol. That alone is a no-brainier.
I live in Sweden where this car makes a lot of sense. While driving in the city it´s fully electric but going on longer trips during holidays and weekends it´s a diesel. While other hybrid and fully electric cars have very limited towing capacity this can tow both my boat and my caravan. At the same time it is very comfy and I've previously had several BMW 5-series and a Volvo V90 CC. The V60 is almost as comfy as those cars. I've tested some other hybrids like Golf GTE, Passat GTE, Mitsubishi Outlander, Volvo V90 T8. These are not bad but I found the V60 to be the car I liked the most. The VW:s and the Outlander do not have the premium feeling to them and the V90 didn't deliver the same bang for the buck as the V60. I really recommend the V60.
I have owned a V60 hybrid since September 2012 and all I can say is that - apart from being pretty expensive to buy with all the options - it is FANTASTIC. The acceleration when both the electric and diesel motors come together in power mode is unbelievable for a normal production car such as this. Immense torque. I don't use fuel at all in my daily use of the car. Just on the long drives where I easily still get over 78 mpg. It doesn't feature in any hybrid list of popular cars that I have ever seen and I presume there are good reasons. It IS a diesel. It IS expensive to buy. But WHAT a lovely car. I used to be a Mercedes fanatic but it is Volvo for me now with quality and advanced technology going together. Since I bought it I have had no problems and the battery is still in great condition. Like Tesla, I think Volvo have used the higher quality batteries unlike the Nissan leaf and other cheaper electric wannabees (VERY important issue that nobody seems to know about - it is the additives used to prevent anode oxidation, something that ruins the battery capacity in hotter climates). The only thing I don't like? the GPS system is pretty bad. They should have done a deal with TomTom or Garmin in my opinion with a removable SD card for upgrading. Still it works and can be tolerated. At 2.5 tonnes it is pretty heavy, but you will survive a crash in this tank, thought the other car will be decimated. I am an electric car addict now and having been to the Geneva Motor Show yesterday, I can say it was pretty much the only thing that interested me. I am bit dubious about the hydrogen powered cars because most of the hydrogen in the world currently comes from the oil industry. When hydrogen generation is sourced from total renewables then I might be persuaded - but for the moment it looks like a tie-up between motor manufacturers and the oil giants for the moment (so dubious?). It might be a "bridge" yes, but anyway, if you can't absorb the hydrogen onto active metals then you are really carrying a bomb around in the car with hydrogen under pressure. Not good. Unfortunately the technology that would allow this form of hydrogen generation and storage is illegal given that it is covered by the nuclear industry and the manufacture of nuclear devices. So I might invest in all electric as they are really exciting. Though battery technology has been slow to evolve (good scientific reasons for this), there are new approaches that should triple the capacity and render them much safer. we also have flow-cell batteries as possibility (Quantino!) but there are infrastructure issues there. Super capacitor approaches might also be promising. Just as charging our vehicle is still an issue with public points being still sparse (but growing). Until then I will drive my Volvo with pleasure. Super comfortable, adaptive cruise control (a MUST!) and everything else that goes with it. Well done Volvo! Just change the bloody GPS....
Not sure why are you hating on diesel hybrids, that's the perfect middle step for diesel fans to switch to electric cars. You asked, so, I drive an 04 Bora 1.9 TDI every day for ~100 km. Hate me all you want but I love this car for commuting.
I have one of these - but the D6 model. Most of our journeys are local so we use very little diesel but when we go away it still averages around 55mpg over, say, a 200 mile journey. We now fill up with diesel around once every two months (and the tank is only 45 litres) - so running costs are very low (£0 road tax too).
Not in my opinion but it depends on your daily use. With my V60 hybrid I don't use any diesel fuel in my daily runs around town, but if it was a non-chargeable hybrid then it would. If the combo could have a better electric range that would be better, but the V60 hybrid is perfect for me. I also have Bosch electric bicycle. If you haven't tried this form of transport then really you are missing something! At my age I need a bit of exercise but also to be able to switch on assistance on a steep hill. Easy and very enjoyable. The bike and the car are just a perfect combination as I also have a Thule support for electric bikes. Go anywhere, park well outside of a town and ride in on a bike. Brilliant.
Robert, while parking and charging at the shopping mall, you're occupying a 43kw fast charging outlet while you're only using 5kw! This is why Zoe/Tesla drivers don't like seeing PHEV's hooked up to fast chargers
I love my diesel (pre-scandal). The mileage is amazing, the reliability is amazing, and because it was designed before ULSD, it's getting better emissions now than at the factory. I'm going to drive it until it falls apart, and then get a full electric. Don't bash diesels just because of VW. They can be designed to confirm to requirements just like gas cars.
Plus most people forget about the Ethanol factor when talking about Diesel engines. Even it isn't perfect, it still creates less CO2 and particulates while being renewable.
You really shouldn't be bashing on diesel like this. Diesel hybrids make a hell of a lot more sense than petrol ones. I mean the new MB E300de does over 1500km with a full tank and battery!! This V60 D6 will average 2-3l/100km on everyday driving with the odd charge-up and long trip, where as the newer Volvo hybrids with a petrol engine will not really do any better than 6-7l/100km realistically. Yes they have 390hp vs 290hp, but still. And regarding your comment about diesel particulates, a new mercedes C220d emits absolutely no particulates what so ever. So you see, the inherent flaw of diesel (particulates) is actually solvable, where as the inherent problem of petrol (way less efficient) is a lot more difficult. The inherent problem of electric cars (energy density in batteries, charge times, rare mineral dependance) is also very difficult to solve. Ultimately we will have to go all electric, either hydrogen, BEV or magic power or whatever. But until that is a fully viable solution, we really have to stop this utterly irrational hatred of diesel and embrace it as a much more energy efficient way of moving about.
Robert, please do a lot of episodes on energy storage. That seems to be the main problem of renewable energy. Not energy generation but energy storage seems to be the problem today.
We have done this already. ruclips.net/video/jB6jyy0Joq8/видео.html And are doing many episodes about storage in the coming months. Agree, it's all about storage
I wonder if people would understand how much better electric cars are if they could have a test drive for a couple of days, like a rental to really see how much fun, clean and convenient for their daily lives so that diesel PHEV like this Volvo could be leaf frog to a pure electric car.
D R-K in Germany that's quite easy. You go to your next car dealer that sells electric cars and ask for a test drive. I even got a Renault Zoe for a whole weekend. It was meant to be only one charge but I asked and drove it back to my parents, charged it nearby and drove back. Was really cool. =) It should be obligatory for everyone to test drive and EV at least once xD
Volvos releasing 14 models in 4 years (from last year) and has a target that 1 in 10 sold Volvos is going to be fully electric in 2025. Love your channel!
My twin engine V60 has just turned over 10k miles and I am more disappointed than impressed. Fuel economy and performance are great, fairly comfortable too and well appointed. However, it has been back to the dealer multiple times for some pretty serious faults, mostly to do with the electric drive. Once it even had to be towed. Also, the battery management options are really poor. It is hard work to manage your battery reserves so that you have battery for low speed driving when you need it. My previous Toyota Auris was much better in this respect. Finally, it makes no sense to have a hybrid car with a big powerful motor. Give us a small motor which can effectively charge the battery while it is running for longer periods of time. When I leave my home I am on battery, but when I get to the motorway the diesel engine takes over and has to work hard from stone cold. No engine is going to last long if it is managed like that.
@@mikewilsonsmail Engine technology and oils have come a long way since the 60s. Show me one of these volvo diesels that has worn out due to being started and immediately taken to motorway speeds (which, lets face it, will mean 2500RPM with very little actual working being done by the engine to maintain a steady 70MPH) and ill eat my hat. Im very very confident that the ICE on these cars will outlast the batteries in the boot 4 times over if not more. By the time the engines big end bearings and piston rings are worn out the car will be pretty much outlawed altogether if things are to be believed.
@@craig855s actually I've seen quite a few reports of them needing new heads and even entire engine replacements less than 100k (talking about the D5/6 hybrids). It could be because of the way they get used. Diesel engines don't like being turned off and on all the time. You keep them running and they'll happily chug along for hundreds of thousands of miles with no major repairs needed.
I think what you missed is push-back from an automobile manufacturing industry that has been fighting electrification for at least 30 years. They're having to be dragged into the 21st Century kicking and screaming.
Several Diesel-Electric drivetrains (diesel powers the generator which can directly powers the electric motors & keeps batteries charged) for motor vehicles have been developed. For whatever reason they haven't really caught on, but AFAIK at least one of the Diesel-Electric hybrid buses uses one .
I've come to this video now because I want to get into this sort of thing, specifically looking at these exact, but now used and more affordable, V60 PHEVs. I am...a petrol head. I love cars. I am however concerned about pollution, particulates and global warming. With the cost of Electric cars currently and the type of driving we do, I believe this V60 for me, would revolutionise the way I think about how a car should be and also revolutionise my wallet with the fuel cost saving. It would also, as Robert has stated, get us started in the world of Electric Motoring.
The V60 hybrid? Claims 32 miles on a charge but of course that is BS. Best I get is 28 but usually around 25 - 26 miles. Still OK for rushing around doing the shopping. Do this and you never burn diesel. I haven't bought diesel in quite a while! The batteries have over and undercharge inhibitors/software that greatly improve battery life but it means you never get to the full capacity of the battery - just about 90%. All electric vehicles have to do this or the batteries will degrade badly. There has been a technology revealed that would overcome this (infinite battery life) but it is not obvious if it is affordable or scalable. Wait and see - and if the car/battery industry buys up the patents and "ices" the development to force us to consume the current degradable ones to boost profits. Most likely.
Walter Paget can I ask what speed you can do on electric in the Volvo. I have a Peugeot 508 hybrid and want to change. My car does up to 38 mph on electric.
I can get up to around 70 mph in "pure electric" mode on the flat before the diesel kicks in. It can sustain 60 mph easily. Though it depends on your driving style and weather/heating etc., I usually get a maximum of about 45 kilometres range from one charge. I think Volvo has done a brilliant job on the software that controls all these interactions.
Thanks Walter. I called in to Volvo showroom yesterday and the salesman told me it will only do 25 mph in battery mode. Not a good salesman.... Thanks again
Really a bit of a moron. I go up the motorway here in Geneva to Lausanne (and I have made it all the way on battery alone) frequently enough and I can ASSURE you that I can hit at least 110 - 120 kms per hour and sustain 110 kms/hr all the way until the battery is down to the minimum when diesel kicks in. All on electric PURE mode. If you're on a substantial slope then fair enough the diesel will kick in if you try to go up at speed. But 25 mph is the instantaneous speed I can get up to on my underground garage slope without diesel kick-in and that is pretty steep.
The restrictive problem with all electric cars is the cold, turning on the heat, the fans, the defroster means battery is sucked dry quicker than Lister with a lager. With an engine you can at least produce much needed heat.
In very early electric cars, heating the cabin was a problem and did reduce the range. However modern heat pumps, heat transfer systems and the ability to pre-heat the cabin while the car is charging have all helped reduce the impact of heating an electric car to a level where it makes so little difference you don't notice.
Dragon Skunk , that comment is so not right on any level , I walk down to a pre- heated clear screen and a warm cabin on a cold frosty morning and drive away instantly whilst you are obviously scraping ice off cold glass and running an old thumper to gain heat , mine delivers instant heat and I cannot even plug in overnight , break into the light leave the dark ages behind no ICE cars for me ever again ,try it just for a weekend you will love it ! 😎
Yes, externally powered pre-heating is definitely the way to go. Folks with diesel engines in very cold climates have been doing this for decades with electric heater pads on the oil sump. Some diesel powered vehicles even come with diesel fired pre-heaters. I know there was an option for it on the TD4 LandRover Freelander. Supposedly for sub -20'C starting it saves a fair bit of fuel.
I'll add my tuppence here too. Had my BMW i3 for nearly two weeks now, and heating hasn't been an issue at all, especially on local drives. On longer journeys it does impact range, by a few miles at most. However, here's a tip passed on via a FB friend: heated seats are WAY more efficient than heating the cabin. I experimented with this, and found that at a 90-mile charge, the difference between cabin heating and heated seat was about 7 miles of range, with the heated seat only drawing about one mile of range!
Just wondering how cities are going to enforce a zero emissions policy. I mean, at the moment, the emissions zone in London is regulated through them knowing what car you have based on your registration plate and you are charged (or not) based on what the official emissions are. With a PHEV, how will they know you are on electric and not continuing to drive on ICE?
Oh, I know that it is technically possible. I just don't think it will actually happen in reality. There are too many complications.. Car sensors could be modified and gamed, making it hard to be certain about the data.
I didn't actually know that.. But to be honest, I'm still not entirely convinced that it would be easy to detect a modification like that, given that it would just be a simple software hack. Do we really expect mechanics to deal with hacking too?
Yeah, the VW scandal hasn't exactly filled me with confidence! To be honest, in city centres, cars should just not be allowed. In London, the only people who drive them are the rich. Delivery trucks should have stricter standards too.
Had one of these back in June for a week. I do a 45 mile commute a day and took it out to York one day and it averaged 98mpg. Was charged once a day. As my commute is about 15 miles more than the battery will do it's all about battery management to try and use the engine to recharge the battery, after a few days you soon know how to get the most out of it, managed to get 39 miles out of the battery one day. My current A6 ultra averages about low 50s MPG and cost roughly the same as the Volvo (list price) but the V60 is probably better spec'd for the money. Only down side was the small boot for an "estate" car. Would have ordered one there and then if it wasn't for Volvo pulling the lease discount on them.
About the adaptive cruise control.... Well, it was mostly innovated by Mercedes, to be honest. That said, Volvo kind of brought it to the masses, so they definitely deserve credit for it.
I drive one as a company car. I drive about 35000 km a year (just work) and I must say that the electric capacity is good for commutes only. When on a longer drive or on a really busy day you drive mostly on the diesel engine. The slow charging is an issue. I love the power you get out of it. But the hybrid system takes away so much boot space. It is a good car, and the new Volvo hybrids are petrol hybrids, but the V60 is kind of old tech these days.
I thought this car was daft, test drove a used one with a this is the stupidest car mentality. Ended up buying one, brilliant car that is a great stop gap imo, we have a leaf as well, but we can't afford a tesla, Wales is terrible for public charging, even in a model s we would get stuck if we go to North Wales unless we detour via England, this car is brilliant, great peformance, relaxing, cheap to run, halved my diesel bill, most days the engine doesn't fire up but we still get to have some wonderful drives not worrying about charging points. Owning a leaf made me consider a phev, obviously I wish it had more range, would love a rwd only drive mode with the engine only kicking in as a generator and not having to drive the front wheels. But you have to compare this car to what is out there, yes you can buy a zoe that does 200 miles, but it's a different league, how many AWD performance estates can do 50mpg? How many cars can you switch between FWD, AWD, RWD on demand? To me the only comparable car to this is a model s, which I'm in no position to afford, even a used model s with moderate mileage costs near what these cost new. Yes I think these are expensive, but on the used market, what else can you buy that actually compares either in performance, comfort, safety, economy? I bought mine 3 years old with low mileage, a real bargin imo, yes they have stopped making these. But they are a great stop gap for someone who wants a car as a stepping stone but doesn't want to sacrifice performance, comfort and safety. I average roughly 80mpg overall, long runs can be 45 to 60 mpg, which considering what it can do I'm happy with, it gets you addicted to eco driving on electric, but you have your growly engine for that foot down moment too 😉
You might want to take a look at current clean diesel technology. With high pressure common rail direct injection systems they're remarkably low in emissions to start with, and then exhaust after-treatment systems such as catalytic converters and particulate traps reduce their emissions further until they are in some cases cleaner than gasoline engines. And they're about 30% more efficient at turning fuel into power. I wholeheartedly agree with Volvo that they are a good crossover technology, and I think they're superior to gasoline hybrids. That said, I also agree that they should produce a pure electric on the same body to give their customers options.
This is all completely wrong. When diesel exhaust is cleaned up to the same standards that gasoline engines are held to they end up being so restricted that they have virtually no advantage over any gasoline engine. Even the (significantly more expensive) BMW 328d only bests the base model Honda Accord's CO2 emissions by 6%, and the Accord still produces less smog forming emissions and more power. The Accord Hybrid is also less expensive than the BMW 328d, has the same power output, cleaner emissions, and its CO2 emissions are 35% lower!
idontcare80 : If you're losing that much to exhaust after treatment then your exhaust system is under engineered. People had the same complaints in the 1970's with the first generation catalytic converters on gasoline engines. I'll confess I don't know much about comparative models anymore, but in terms of brake specific fuel consumption there is no internal combustion engine that can touch a modern diesel. At this point the argument is academic, because the days of internal combustion engines in passenger cars are numbered, and the counter is counting down. Trucks may not be far behind. Heck, there's even one company with a concept for a plug-in hybrid tractor-trailer truck. Eventually we may find internal combustion engines relegated to a few special purpose vehicles with purposes and missions that make them difficult to electrify.
I get around 118mpg with my d5 phev 2018, 80% being city driving. Diesel heater is a great thing to have in Sweden at least. I must say I feel like driving a concept car now that diesels are getting extinct (and I love it). Diesel is anyway cheaper these days. The car allows you to charge the EV battery using the diesel but only if current capacity lies below 40% which is a little strange. Otherwise a great comfortable car to have with a somewhat limited boot space and aged on-board charger
I've had my V60 D6 Twin Engine for one year now. Really happy with it. I can charge at home, at work and in most shopping malls in Stockholm. I refuel diesel maybe two times a month. I do 30000km/year. My next car might have to have a larger range and quickcharge. Model 3 ? or what may have been released in the next two years when my lease ends.
Goverment policies and company policies are two very differnt things, and although production and developement is mostly done in Gothenburg, Sweden, Volvo Cars hasn't been Swedish owned since 1999. (Ford 1999-2010 and Chinese Geely 2010-present)
The Chinese are actually really pushing for electrification within Volvo, and they've actually been coming up with some interesting research (look up Volvo solar parts). SAAB is now being resurrected by the Chinese to become an electric vehicle manufacturer, so in reality the future is rather bright.
I have a peugout 3008 Hybrid. 2 L diesel-electric engine means that I have 4 Wheel drive , 200 bhp combines .. a very nice car . Its output in terms of bits of carbon is 99 .. so its less than most petrol cars... so surely its the amount the y chuck out as opposed to what drives them that matters???
I don't understand peoples beef with diesel. They are extremely economical, they produce tonnes of torque, they sound tough and realistically they are better for the environment than petrol cars because they use less fuel. Yes, they produce particulates and NOx but that's why DPF's and AdBlue exist. Diesel shits all over petrol and for the record, diesel is powering the EV movement! Tell me otherwise.
In response to your first statement. www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/10/ellas-law-rosamund-kissi-debrah-air-pollution-death-london So for you, driving the diesel car, everything is fine. I mean I wouldn't want to because they are so filthy, noisy, inefficient and tragically dated. However the people you drive past, the people who have to breath the toxic clouds of gas you leave in your wake may have a different take on your enthusiasm. All combustion engines are rubbish, dated and heading, at speed for the scrap heap of history, but diesel's are definitely in the lead. Sales of new diesel cars have dropped by about 85% in Europe in the last 5 years. So keep driving it, it's fine. Don't ever think about where the fuel comes from, what the impact of extracting, transporting, refining and distributing that toxic fuel has before you buy it and burn it, once, in your 'efficient' old diesel engine with 2,300 moving parts that all wear out and need constant, expensive maintenance.
With the possibility of getting a place with a garage, I’m now considering a PHEV since I can have a charger now. But I’m still confident diesel will be the best option for me. I do a lot of motorway driving and I don’t think petrol is suited for that kind of driving, even now. Besides, I think current emissions control on modern diesels makes them no more polluting than any petrol engine.
Actually modern diesels are actually cleaner than petrol engines, better for particulates as well as CO2 and NoX. Loads of articles online confirming this. There’s talk of introducing particulate filters for petrol engines so they can catch up with diesels.
@@brianparker5006 Exactly as I thought. I’ve actually gotten myself a V60 twin engine PHEV and I absolutely love it. A few issues I need to resolve but all in all, exactly as I envisioned. Doing some tests, I’m averaging 60mpg on my day to day journeys including long distance which is the same as my 1.5litre diesel in a Dacia Sandero. For a 2.4l diesel that’s hauling a far bigger and heavier car, I’m very impressed.
there are no particulates the particle filter is very efficient the tail pipe will still be shining inside after 100,000 miles , the XC90 you are going to try you will be pleased to know is a 340 bhp petrol engine version of that diesel you have there ..
Well, not in this car. You see, for particulate filters to work properly they need to regenerate at certain intervals. Not a problem with people driving on the motorway but those who will use them mainly in town and not charge them are in for a surprise when their DPFs will fail early.
Actually I think the diesel motor is a better fit for a hybrid. the torque is better suited to the generators needs. That's why diesel electric trains have lasted so long. I am sure that when I compared our Skoda diesel to the Prius the Skoda actually used less fuel
Torque is completely irrelevant to a generator, more torque only means that the engine spins slower at a similar power output when compared to an engine with less torque. It's actually beneficial to have a higher rpm generator because it ends up being smaller and lighter than a slower spinning generator. Also, no matter what, diesel emissions control systems are problematic.
Still not many estate cars that are PHEV and diesel/petrol bar Toyota Auris wagon hybrid. Also the cost used is alot more palatable. For towing and cutting diesel emissions as much as possible its not a bad car. Like to see Volvo update it with a more modern battery, fast charging and swapping the diesel for one of Volvos new turbo petrols
financially, it can be defensible. because there are tests that show diesel cars can consume less fuel than a hybrid car that is petrol based. even Mercedes has they also have car based on Diesel will also hybrid car based and petrol and the interesting thing is that the particle emission between these two cars is basically identical according to test
Currently looking at the V60 hybrid. Need something that can handle the caravan and my sons wheelchair/pushchair and as a volvo fan I like the idea of the v60. We were looking at the polestar 2 but the amount of chargers in my area are always vandalised or just not working
Well, I'm from Great Britain, I'm British, proud and... oh, wait, Litre is a French word! Aaargh! It's foreign. And Liter is the Anglicised spelling of the French word, so it's 'more British.' Oh why is the world so confusing and why do people have to be different.
German did not come from Latin. Different branch on the Indo-European family tree. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages#/media/File:IndoEuropeanTree.svg French, Italian, Spanish, etc., are Romance languages that indirectly came from Latin. English is a Germanic language has lots of borrowings from French. If you're English, you're probably aware of the history of French influence on England, etc., and vice versa.
I've been watching a few of your episode.... I was wonder how PHEV or Pure Electric cars is anything for people with caravans? The V60 D5/D6 is looking good since diesel cars are really nice for towing. Any thoughts?
Leo Wang that's not a hundred percent correct. Under the right conditions they might be (emissions tests) but there are a lot of exceptions where they aren't. For example when they are cold they are putting out many times more emissions than they should. But as far as I understand that's not illegal because it supposed to prevent damage to the engine.
I like the fact that I'm an 'older version.' Okay, it's true, I am older but no one has said that before. I'm flattered, even though I'm really old :-)
I have just such a car! :D But I guess I have it with higher equipment list since I have "keyless" and doesn't need to plug in a key to a hole. Did you try without putting the key in there? ;) This car is my marijuana and it will lead me to the heavier drugs.. :) (My next car will certainly be a BEV. I'm looking to plug it in wherever I go to use as little diesel as possible. On longer runs it´s hard not to, but as good as all of my city driving and commute is all electric. One thing I will have a problem with when changing to a BEV is hauling trailers and caravan... As of now there isn't much of a choice for that when having a BEV. :/ (Model X is way to expensive for me.) I put my hopes up for the two comming Volvo Electric vehicles. They have promised two of them before the end of 2019. One around 300km/charge and one at about 500km/charge. :)
Volvo Dashcam my issue as well, two big dogs family of five only holidays are towing a caravan (not by choice) and current car is a vauxall zafara diesel does the job, wish I could get a EV or a phev to fit that role. costs is to much.
Well.. The V60 D5 TE is a great car for towing a caravan. But it might be hard to fit two dogs in the back if they are big ones.. I have high hopes for Volvos bigger BEV... But I guess it will be a bit to expensive the first year or two. (usually they have it fully packed with equipment and biggest engines first year at a high cost, and lowering that when they ramp up the production.
This one would definitely make sense for me. I do few longer trips a year, and at the moment, the only BEV that can somehow (with multiple 30-40 minute stops) do those trips is Tesla. And it costs £99k! Such PHEV however is much better for the job. Especially because it's diesel - on motorways diesel does better MPG then petrol, and on the Continent it costs cheaper.
yes, we are in agreement that particulates are extremely bad, but there are better filters now and the power density of diesel is far better than petrol, so I dunno... What is worst? more CO2 or particulates? Anyway... food for thought...
vourkosdude Don't believe the hype. The auto industry has hoodwinked us for many years, saying diesel emission filters are cleaner and meet strict regulations. They've been proven to be lying (and/or bending the truth by turning them off below 17°C and calling that engine protection) by the results of real world tests. Now the auto industry is fighting to stop the EU introducing real world tests into the certification process next year because... they know that they can't meet the regulations, so they want another year or two to be able to continue selling their dirty engines. Don't buy diesel.
idontcare80 : Depends on your purpose. Diesels are taking over light aviation. They are no longer heavy or underpowered, modern ones aren't all that dirty, and depending on your purpose they are far from obsolete.
No, they actually are extremely heavy and under-powered, especially when used as aviation engines. The Austro AE 300 (used in the Diamond DA62) makes only 180 hp and weighs in at over 400 pounds! There are 350 hp gasoline burning engines that weigh as much (TSIOL-550-C)! Cessna offered a 182 with the SMA SR305-230 (which is also extremely heavy for the amount of power it makes) for a very short time, but they dropped it because they were having problems with the engines. If anything is taking over light aviation, it's the Rotax 912, it's being installed in countless LSAs. Diesels are nothing but a dead-end technology, they're completely obsolete for use in anything. Something like the Adept 320T is the way forward for aircraft engines.
Other than some models from Diamond Aircraft, I'm not even sure if anything else is flying with diesels, so it's a pretty major stretch to say that diesels are taking over light aviation. The Cessna 172 had a diesel for a short time, but Cessna dropped that as well. I would imagine that customers hate the lack of power and added weight. Diesels are nothing more than the central focus of a massive greenwashing campaign. Mogas would be the fuel to adopt in aviation, it's cheap, available everywhere, has no lead, and it doesn't require hauling around an extra 200 pounds of iron for each engine. Modern gasoline engine designs (current designs have hardly changed since the 1950s) could also reduce fuel consumption considerably. I also meant to say that diesels were made obsolete in heavy ground vehicle applications by Wrightspeed's hybrid system, they've never been a good fit for light vehicles, and gasoline/electric hybrid systems should take over in pickup trucks. Diesel engines really just have no place anywhere. Edit: There's also a 380 hp 180 degree V8 diesel being developed, but I don't know where those guys think their engine is going to be installed. There are no airframes that I know of which could make use of 650 pound, 380 hp engines. If someone was going to design an airframe around an engine that heavy, they might as well go for broke, add a hundred pounds of engine weight and 370 hp and use Trace engines.
Since you brought up the DA62, a friend of mine is a sales manager at Diamond. As I understand from him the major problem they have with both the DA62 and its predecessor, the DA42, is that Diamond can't build them fast enough. While there have been some technical issues with the engine, mostly related to the propeller speed reduction gearbox, the biggest problem they've had is financial. Specifically, Austro staying in business long enough to deliver a product despite financial issues and a string of lawsuits. The operators who have them love the low direct operating expenses, because jet fuel is a LOT less expensive than avgas, and pilots love them for the single lever power management. Having flown a DA42, I can tell you that the single lever power management, while it sounds like a small thing, drastically reduces perceived cockpit workload, especially in instrument conditions. Cessna's problem with the SMA engines was twofold. First, bad management and internal squabbles among SMA's partners kept them from delivering a product. Second, Textron owns both Cessna and Lycoming, so of course they're going to keep as much of their manufacturing as possible under one umbrella. That's a recipe for them to continue building aircraft with Lyconasaurs up front. Plus, Lycoming has a vested interest in the installed fleet of gasoline powered Lyconasaurs, and they aren't going to salt their own fields. As for your claim that diesels are "completely obsolete for use in anything", I'll make you a wager: When Otto engines take over the majority of operations in heavy industry, trucking, railroads, and ships, then I'll buy you dinner at the fine dining establishment of your choice. I don't expect it's a bet I'll lose, because if anything electrification will take over those operations long before Otto engines will, if even electrification can.
I was just going to reply about that lol but it wouldn't let. Here's what I was trying to say anyway. Thank you for the reply Ben. Yes, Chevy is under GM here in the U.S. I do know that ya'll are getting the Bolt under the Opel name, but I didn't know about Vauxhall. I'll have to look it up.
I don’t think the electric-only mileage was even mentioned. 🙄 Manufacturer figures are 31 miles on batteries alone. And it’ll do up to 70 mph in Pure electric too. It’s much more than simply a token gesture of a hybrid system, and the review was completely unfair as it did not show it being driven in full EV mode (due to him clearly forgetting to charge it or depleting the battery power before turning the cameras on), completely missing the point of the car!
Putting the price up actually doesn't man a lot to me. I've just ordered a Zoe 40 kwh and have a great discount. Go into a Hyundai dealer and they won't offer a penny off an Ioniq electric. I have no idea whether you'll get a discount from Volvo but the list prices really don't reflect what you will pay in most cases and are only a rough guide.
I'm with you that these will get more people into running electric. And you will avoid the angst of where to charge up when the battery runs low. Bigger batteries so more of the daily commute will be electric and then the dinosaur muncher under the hood starts when you are doing 110 kph driving to your vacation. And another big improvement would be to allow the use of biodiesel in the cars. That and electric would make driving a lot more enjoyable, says the man sitting in a diesel transit not allowed to drive an eco car by the local government here in Stockholm.
Robert; It would seem as though You have missed the whole thing about direct-injected petrol engines and their particulatesproblem. I won't for a second defend diesel engines but as far as I'm aware, modern, direct-injected petrol engines emits particulates as badly, or even worse, than most diesel engines. I think that it would be a very relevant thing to discuss on FC, regardless if it's true or not. I do apologise for any grammar issues, it's too late for internet...
While I agree that petrol engines are bad, they are bad in a slightly different way to diesels. Essentially internal combustion is a dead technology that isn't going anywhere. All ICE are inefficient, dirty, dated and stagnated and we really need to stop using them.
The absolute computer control of the fuel/air mixture and the design of the modern petrol engine to achieve the best combustion under load means the particulates (though there are some) are vastly less than for a diesel and are improving all the time. Mixtures these days are far "leaner" than they used to be and also run much hotter - which improves efficient. To be fair to diesels though, current combustion characteristics as a result of such advances are also vastly better than they used to be. The days of black smoke from the exhaust of a modern diesel vehicle is long gone.
Modern diesel engines actually have much less particle emissions then modern direct-injected petrol engines, because they have a particle filter that is working very well. Most petrol engines don't have a filter yet, but some are going to need one for Euro6... Of course, diesel still has NOx emissions, while petrol has CO emissions. But I think it is wrong to say that diesel is bad and petrol is good.
NOT China the nation, Geely is a private company. Best thing to happen to Volvo was getting away from Ford, Ford almost killed the car brand. Now the new generation Volvos are soo highly respected thanks to Geely let the swedish team do what they want.
Neojhun CHINA is the Parent Corporation that incorporated Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, who's subsidiary is Geely Automobile. You see, there are no Governments only Corporations, claiming to be a Citizen, Resident, or Person within their documentation provides your consent to be treated and charged under Trade and Commerce Codes.
For my Job I drive a 7 seater fossil oil burner. i hurn £9000 a year of nasty smelly smoking polution. I do not want to do this! I want to drive electric but we have no rapid chargers anywhere (except on Motorways) within 35 miles. how about a program to point out the stupidity of local councils who are "doing their bit" but stupidly only installing 16amp / 20amp chargers. These are useless to us taxi drivers. there are over 130 taxi drivers who would switch to Electric over very quicly if we had rapid chargers just in my small town alone.
There is a taxi company in Cornwall that uses LEAF's. They installed their own rapid charger. It's an expense for sure, but pays for itself in spades. Maybe rather than wait for the the local council to do anything of consequence, why not install your own at the taxi rank?
leafs are totally useless unless you only work locally. Fine if you have low job volume and very high prices. My prices are fixed by local council and I drive about 185 to 330 miles a shift. So yes a rapid charger is required but a leaf's 50 mile / 65 (actual) range is absolutely useless to me.
A Tesla (a heavy car) costs 4 pence per mile to run, a diesel car costs 15p. You save 11p per mile. Assuming you drive 44,400 (low estimate) miles per year Bill; you save £4,884 per year in fuel costs. So, if you installed a Rapid Charger and ONLY you used it, it would cover it's cost in under 4 years. If other taxi drivers used it as well it would cover it's cost in a lot less time. Also, this is based on the cost to drive a heavy Tesla, a lighter vehicle would cost even less to run. I think it is financially a good idea for you to get one installed yourself, but try talking to the council, they might love the idea of having a fully electric taxi chain, great for PR!
This maybe a better option than a standard diesel but I don't understand why anyone would still want to buy a diesel these days. Something better than a rubbish option doesn't make it a good option, it just might be "a little less rubbish"
i you drive >250 km/day there is still limited chose off BEV and if you need to pull something there are only Tesla X. Pure drive in city an 2*50 ev km every is a great reduction in my world.
I've a D6, which I've owned for over 2 years. I average around 70 mpg, mainly charging from home. The car is used for a 90 mile commute (45 each way). I'm unable to charge while I'm at the office, so it could be even better. The benefit for me is the quiet drive around town, no engine vibration, the ability to pre-warm the vehicle on cold days and the quality and comfort is very high. When using diesel this is mainly on the motorway when the engine is warm and running at over 60 mph. In addition when I want it I've the performance and acceleration close to 300 bhp, not fast but swift. I wish I had more range and I will be going to pure electric next but I need to ensure the same quality and comfort is there.
Do you still have the car or did you change/upgrade (if so, what lead to your decision for that)?
i am considering getting one of these a 2013 model or a chevrolet volt, similar year. obviously very different cars and power, but the chevy is classified as an ev, so free parking for me...
in similar pricings i am very curious about what would be the better choice.
Could you let me know the pre-heat/pre-cool: how does it work? Do you do it from an app on your phone or do you have to go to the car to turn that feature on? Does it use the battery for that or does it use the diesel engine (which would be stupid...)? And lastly is that only available during charging or when parked as well (given you have enough battery)? (i will not be charging at home, but would love to be able to pre-heat the car in the morning before leaving.
Thank you in advance if you respond to my questions
I drive one for a year now (D5 TE) full options. During the summer I was able to do my commute fully electric (46KM), now I am getting 40KM with the lower temperatures but I still drive 100KM/h most of it. The diesel is quite economic; I had an average of 5l:100km during a 700KM trip with 150KM/h for a longer time. Most of the time I do 2,5L:100KM but since the car uses diesel for the heater when driving fully electric, I am not getting that figures in the colder months.
the best option to choose and best technology for now....and the best car maker :)
Do you mean it uses a diesel Webasto heater or the diesel engine?
Wow that's 56mpg (UK) while traveling at over 90mph, did you charge during the trip, or just before starting, I bet you can get 70mpg on a long trip traveling around 70mph, not bad for a 2 ton bus
Do you still have the car or did you change/upgrade (if so, what lead to your decision for that)?
i am considering getting one of these a 2013 model or a chevrolet volt, similar year. obviously very different cars and power, but the chevy is classified as an ev, so free parking for me...
in similar pricings i am very curious about what would be the better choice.
Could you let me know the pre-heat/pre-cool: how does it work? Do you do it from an app on your phone or do you have to go to the car to turn that feature on? Does it use the battery for that or does it use the diesel engine (which would be stupid...)? And lastly is that only available during charging or when parked as well (given you have enough battery)? (i will not be charging at home, but would love to be able to pre-heat the car in the morning before leaving.
Thank you in advance if you respond to my questions
@@pasias7785 Replaced the V60 for aTesla Model 3 Performance a while ago. The pre-heat works with diesel but depends if the car has the right "package". Mine was full options so no issues there. Cooling is using the battery since the airco is fully electric and will use the mains when you have the car connected to the grid. The diesel consumption is almost nothing for the pre-heating. Note that, when you drive fully electric, it will also use the diesel heater to heat the car while driving.
The V60 is a bit different here in Europe, but it works with an app, or set a timer in the car itself when you don't have the yearly subscription active.
Hope this helps!
This is the best of both worlds, electric AND diesel. I love it.
1 correction.
The desiel kicks in based on acceleration not speed. it can drive up to 60mph on the electric only.
I really enjoy your channel.
Lol, the engine impression was priceless. And very informative! :))
that was epic :D
Exceptionally accurate as well
Surely PHEVs have their place in the market? Used properly they can be zero emission full electric cars for most day to day journeys and commutes, but allow families and business people the freedom to travel much longer distances without range anxiety or interminable waits at service stations for the batteries to charge.
I drive a hybrid Mondeo at the moment but I'm really looking forward to getting a BMW 330e. Great performance, green credentials, and lower company car tax. I didn't realise Volvo did a V60 PHEV - it's too pricey for its target market but as a company car driver I'm very interested in this.
I really like that car. Went to the local Volvo dealer to test drive one and it's really impressive.
If you hate diesel don't drive one, simple. I won't be tempted from my diesel car because I want the instant refuelling, high miles per gallon if driven sensibly and how quiet they are at motorway speeds. I have never been against electric/plugin hybrids. But they have to make it easy for me to jump from one to the other. And because of the price of these cars... can't really compete can they. But the diesel-hybrid makes sense for a lot of people. People who travel large distances. Diesel engine on the motorway where it is most efficient, electric through towns and cities. Yeah sure we can talk all day about people's health etc etc etc, but lets be honest, it needs to make economical sense. If it saves me money, I'm game.
This is a perfect car for 100km motorway and city centre traffic jam...like my life...daily..This is my dream car
Your channel and others like it is helping in a small way to accelerate the pace of change towards full electric vehicles. Because of people sharing their experiences online we now own a Leaf which does a 110mile round trip commute every day at it ease saving almost €300 per month on petrol. That alone is a no-brainier.
I live in Sweden where this car makes a lot of sense. While driving in the city it´s fully electric but going on longer trips during holidays and weekends it´s a diesel. While other hybrid and fully electric cars have very limited towing capacity this can tow both my boat and my caravan. At the same time it is very comfy and I've previously had several BMW 5-series and a Volvo V90 CC. The V60 is almost as comfy as those cars. I've tested some other hybrids like Golf GTE, Passat GTE, Mitsubishi Outlander, Volvo V90 T8. These are not bad but I found the V60 to be the car I liked the most. The VW:s and the Outlander do not have the premium feeling to them and the V90 didn't deliver the same bang for the buck as the V60. I really recommend the V60.
Thanks for the comment! I am currently looking at V60 on Blocket and your comment helped a lot. By the way. Does your A/C work?
Hello, what is the average only on battery mode in km. The real average? Thanks in advance
I concur with what you said, also tried many other phev cars but the v60 just hits the sweet spot
I have owned a V60 hybrid since September 2012 and all I can say is that - apart from being pretty expensive to buy with all the options - it is FANTASTIC. The acceleration when both the electric and diesel motors come together in power mode is unbelievable for a normal production car such as this. Immense torque. I don't use fuel at all in my daily use of the car. Just on the long drives where I easily still get over 78 mpg. It doesn't feature in any hybrid list of popular cars that I have ever seen and I presume there are good reasons. It IS a diesel. It IS expensive to buy. But WHAT a lovely car. I used to be a Mercedes fanatic but it is Volvo for me now with quality and advanced technology going together. Since I bought it I have had no problems and the battery is still in great condition. Like Tesla, I think Volvo have used the higher quality batteries unlike the Nissan leaf and other cheaper electric wannabees (VERY important issue that nobody seems to know about - it is the additives used to prevent anode oxidation, something that ruins the battery capacity in hotter climates). The only thing I don't like? the GPS system is pretty bad. They should have done a deal with TomTom or Garmin in my opinion with a removable SD card for upgrading. Still it works and can be tolerated. At 2.5 tonnes it is pretty heavy, but you will survive a crash in this tank, thought the other car will be decimated.
I am an electric car addict now and having been to the Geneva Motor Show yesterday, I can say it was pretty much the only thing that interested me. I am bit dubious about the hydrogen powered cars because most of the hydrogen in the world currently comes from the oil industry. When hydrogen generation is sourced from total renewables then I might be persuaded - but for the moment it looks like a tie-up between motor manufacturers and the oil giants for the moment (so dubious?). It might be a "bridge" yes, but anyway, if you can't absorb the hydrogen onto active metals then you are really carrying a bomb around in the car with hydrogen under pressure. Not good. Unfortunately the technology that would allow this form of hydrogen generation and storage is illegal given that it is covered by the nuclear industry and the manufacture of nuclear devices.
So I might invest in all electric as they are really exciting. Though battery technology has been slow to evolve (good scientific reasons for this), there are new approaches that should triple the capacity and render them much safer. we also have flow-cell batteries as possibility (Quantino!) but there are infrastructure issues there. Super capacitor approaches might also be promising. Just as charging our vehicle is still an issue with public points being still sparse (but growing).
Until then I will drive my Volvo with pleasure. Super comfortable, adaptive cruise control (a MUST!) and everything else that goes with it. Well done Volvo! Just change the bloody GPS....
the weight is about 2030 kg empty, 2,5 t is worst case.
another great video, keep up the good work .
Not sure why are you hating on diesel hybrids, that's the perfect middle step for diesel fans to switch to electric cars.
You asked, so, I drive an 04 Bora 1.9 TDI every day for ~100 km. Hate me all you want but I love this car for commuting.
I have one of these - but the D6 model. Most of our journeys are local so we use very little diesel but when we go away it still averages around 55mpg over, say, a 200 mile journey. We now fill up with diesel around once every two months (and the tank is only 45 litres) - so running costs are very low (£0 road tax too).
Come for the reviews and info, stay for the impressions of sounds motors and engines make.
Could you make a video about the different charging plugs and systems? Whenever I see electric cars, I wonder if plugs are still an issue.
Thank god for a diesel hybrid for a change, maximum range all round.
Electric cars with some small engine for range extender makes more sense 2 me then hybrids
dzonikg Yeah, to me serial hybrids make a lot more sense as a way of converting people to fully electric
Not in my opinion but it depends on your daily use. With my V60 hybrid I don't use any diesel fuel in my daily runs around town, but if it was a non-chargeable hybrid then it would. If the combo could have a better electric range that would be better, but the V60 hybrid is perfect for me. I also have Bosch electric bicycle. If you haven't tried this form of transport then really you are missing something! At my age I need a bit of exercise but also to be able to switch on assistance on a steep hill. Easy and very enjoyable. The bike and the car are just a perfect combination as I also have a Thule support for electric bikes. Go anywhere, park well outside of a town and ride in on a bike. Brilliant.
Robert, while parking and charging at the shopping mall, you're occupying a 43kw fast charging outlet while you're only using 5kw! This is why Zoe/Tesla drivers don't like seeing PHEV's hooked up to fast chargers
I love my diesel (pre-scandal). The mileage is amazing, the reliability is amazing, and because it was designed before ULSD, it's getting better emissions now than at the factory. I'm going to drive it until it falls apart, and then get a full electric.
Don't bash diesels just because of VW. They can be designed to confirm to requirements just like gas cars.
Plus most people forget about the Ethanol factor when talking about Diesel engines. Even it isn't perfect, it still creates less CO2 and particulates while being renewable.
That is a really good impression!!! take my like....
The thing about diesels is that they can run on vegetable oil aka biodiesel which is not only renewable but has much better emissions.
You really shouldn't be bashing on diesel like this. Diesel hybrids make a hell of a lot more sense than petrol ones. I mean the new MB E300de does over 1500km with a full tank and battery!! This V60 D6 will average 2-3l/100km on everyday driving with the odd charge-up and long trip, where as the newer Volvo hybrids with a petrol engine will not really do any better than 6-7l/100km realistically. Yes they have 390hp vs 290hp, but still.
And regarding your comment about diesel particulates, a new mercedes C220d emits absolutely no particulates what so ever. So you see, the inherent flaw of diesel (particulates) is actually solvable, where as the inherent problem of petrol (way less efficient) is a lot more difficult. The inherent problem of electric cars (energy density in batteries, charge times, rare mineral dependance) is also very difficult to solve. Ultimately we will have to go all electric, either hydrogen, BEV or magic power or whatever. But until that is a fully viable solution, we really have to stop this utterly irrational hatred of diesel and embrace it as a much more energy efficient way of moving about.
Robert, please do a lot of episodes on energy storage. That seems to be the main problem of renewable energy. Not energy generation but energy storage seems to be the problem today.
We have done this already.
ruclips.net/video/jB6jyy0Joq8/видео.html
And are doing many episodes about storage in the coming months. Agree, it's all about storage
I wonder if people would understand how much better electric cars are if they could have a test drive for a couple of days, like a rental to really see how much fun, clean and convenient for their daily lives so that diesel PHEV like this Volvo could be leaf frog to a pure electric car.
Is the pun intended? My guess is that is, as the p and f key are quite far apart :)
D R-K in Germany that's quite easy. You go to your next car dealer that sells electric cars and ask for a test drive. I even got a Renault Zoe for a whole weekend. It was meant to be only one charge but I asked and drove it back to my parents, charged it nearby and drove back. Was really cool. =)
It should be obligatory for everyone to test drive and EV at least once xD
Nice slogan under the filler cap, "Powered by Vattenfall". :)
This is what I see happening. If just 30% of the population ran out and bought plug in's tomorrow every charger would have lines.
Volvos releasing 14 models in 4 years (from last year) and has a target that 1 in 10 sold Volvos is going to be fully electric in 2025.
Love your channel!
there are not nearly enough in my country Scotland , but I hope more soon .
My twin engine V60 has just turned over 10k miles and I am more disappointed than impressed. Fuel economy and performance are great, fairly comfortable too and well appointed. However, it has been back to the dealer multiple times for some pretty serious faults, mostly to do with the electric drive. Once it even had to be towed. Also, the battery management options are really poor. It is hard work to manage your battery reserves so that you have battery for low speed driving when you need it. My previous Toyota Auris was much better in this respect. Finally, it makes no sense to have a hybrid car with a big powerful motor. Give us a small motor which can effectively charge the battery while it is running for longer periods of time. When I leave my home I am on battery, but when I get to the motorway the diesel engine takes over and has to work hard from stone cold. No engine is going to last long if it is managed like that.
The best way to run a diesel engine is to make it work hard from stone cold!
@@mikewilsonsmail No, not at all! Diesel engines need to warm up, if you rev them up when they're cold they suffer.
@@giacomolovato1 I didn't say rev it, I said load it.There is a huge difference.
@@mikewilsonsmail Engine technology and oils have come a long way since the 60s. Show me one of these volvo diesels that has worn out due to being started and immediately taken to motorway speeds (which, lets face it, will mean 2500RPM with very little actual working being done by the engine to maintain a steady 70MPH) and ill eat my hat. Im very very confident that the ICE on these cars will outlast the batteries in the boot 4 times over if not more. By the time the engines big end bearings and piston rings are worn out the car will be pretty much outlawed altogether if things are to be believed.
@@craig855s actually I've seen quite a few reports of them needing new heads and even entire engine replacements less than 100k (talking about the D5/6 hybrids). It could be because of the way they get used. Diesel engines don't like being turned off and on all the time. You keep them running and they'll happily chug along for hundreds of thousands of miles with no major repairs needed.
If your out of battery U can load it up too 40% again while driving with the SAVE-button.
I love your mix of intelligence and completely random moronic insight. Very enjoyable!
I thought range-extended electrics would have replaced hybrids by now. Is there something I've missed?
Yeah. When watching the video I was like "wouldn't it be more efficient to run a diesel generator and feed the batteries".
C0deH0wler I know right, like we'be been doing in submarines for 100 years.
Seriuosly this comment is getting under rated.
I think what you missed is push-back from an automobile manufacturing industry that has been fighting electrification for at least 30 years. They're having to be dragged into the 21st Century kicking and screaming.
Several Diesel-Electric drivetrains (diesel powers the generator which can directly powers the electric motors & keeps batteries charged) for motor vehicles have been developed. For whatever reason they haven't really caught on, but AFAIK at least one of the Diesel-Electric hybrid buses uses one .
I've come to this video now because I want to get into this sort of thing, specifically looking at these exact, but now used and more affordable, V60 PHEVs. I am...a petrol head. I love cars. I am however concerned about pollution, particulates and global warming. With the cost of Electric cars currently and the type of driving we do, I believe this V60 for me, would revolutionise the way I think about how a car should be and also revolutionise my wallet with the fuel cost saving. It would also, as Robert has stated, get us started in the world of Electric Motoring.
I have a Volvo V60 D6 Plugin Hybrid since May 2013. My average consumption is 3,6l/100km (I drove more than 70.000km).
78mpg, to save others the hassle of googling :)
Great to see someone use proper units instead of the antique miles etc... 😉😉
Thats not good... My Petrol Plug-in Outlander averages over 100mpg with 92000km :P
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@@James-xr7pb Not good? My V60 D6 averages about 130-140 mpg. It's all about how you use it, and how often you charge it.
I know you're not a techie but it would be nice to have a few technical details such as battery size,range on electricity,etc.
The V60 hybrid? Claims 32 miles on a charge but of course that is BS. Best I get is 28 but usually around 25 - 26 miles. Still OK for rushing around doing the shopping. Do this and you never burn diesel. I haven't bought diesel in quite a while! The batteries have over and undercharge inhibitors/software that greatly improve battery life but it means you never get to the full capacity of the battery - just about 90%. All electric vehicles have to do this or the batteries will degrade badly. There has been a technology revealed that would overcome this (infinite battery life) but it is not obvious if it is affordable or scalable. Wait and see - and if the car/battery industry buys up the patents and "ices" the development to force us to consume the current degradable ones to boost profits. Most likely.
Walter Paget can I ask what speed you can do on electric in the Volvo. I have a Peugeot 508 hybrid and want to change. My car does up to 38 mph on electric.
I can get up to around 70 mph in "pure electric" mode on the flat before the diesel kicks in. It can sustain 60 mph easily. Though it depends on your driving style and weather/heating etc., I usually get a maximum of about 45 kilometres range from one charge. I think Volvo has done a brilliant job on the software that controls all these interactions.
Thanks Walter. I called in to Volvo showroom yesterday and the salesman told me it will only do 25 mph in battery mode. Not a good salesman.... Thanks again
Really a bit of a moron. I go up the motorway here in Geneva to Lausanne (and I have made it all the way on battery alone) frequently enough and I can ASSURE you that I can hit at least 110 - 120 kms per hour and sustain 110 kms/hr all the way until the battery is down to the minimum when diesel kicks in. All on electric PURE mode. If you're on a substantial slope then fair enough the diesel will kick in if you try to go up at speed. But 25 mph is the instantaneous speed I can get up to on my underground garage slope without diesel kick-in and that is pretty steep.
That button should say "save" for when it runs on batteries. When it runs on diesel a more appropriate "kill" button should be used.
JRoque250 I was thinking about that haha. Very clever naming. If Full electric is "pure" mode in this car, shouldn't the other mode be "dirty"?
Basel Kader ... or 'filthy'.
Great video. Nice to see you in Bristol! Considering a volvo s90 PHEV
I Really enjoy these video's. Keep up the good work!
The restrictive problem with all electric cars is the cold, turning on the heat, the fans, the defroster means battery is sucked dry quicker than Lister with a lager. With an engine you can at least produce much needed heat.
In very early electric cars, heating the cabin was a problem and did reduce the range. However modern heat pumps, heat transfer systems and the ability to pre-heat the cabin while the car is charging have all helped reduce the impact of heating an electric car to a level where it makes so little difference you don't notice.
Dragon Skunk , that comment is so not right on any level , I walk down to a pre- heated clear screen and a warm cabin on a cold frosty morning and drive away instantly whilst you are obviously scraping ice off cold glass and running an old thumper to gain heat , mine delivers instant heat and I cannot even plug in overnight , break into the light leave the dark ages behind no ICE cars for me ever again ,try it just for a weekend you will love it ! 😎
Yes, externally powered pre-heating is definitely the way to go. Folks with diesel engines in very cold climates have been doing this for decades with electric heater pads on the oil sump. Some diesel powered vehicles even come with diesel fired pre-heaters. I know there was an option for it on the TD4 LandRover Freelander. Supposedly for sub -20'C starting it saves a fair bit of fuel.
I'll add my tuppence here too. Had my BMW i3 for nearly two weeks now, and heating hasn't been an issue at all, especially on local drives. On longer journeys it does impact range, by a few miles at most. However, here's a tip passed on via a FB friend: heated seats are WAY more efficient than heating the cabin. I experimented with this, and found that at a 90-mile charge, the difference between cabin heating and heated seat was about 7 miles of range, with the heated seat only drawing about one mile of range!
Just wondering how cities are going to enforce a zero emissions policy. I mean, at the moment, the emissions zone in London is regulated through them knowing what car you have based on your registration plate and you are charged (or not) based on what the official emissions are. With a PHEV, how will they know you are on electric and not continuing to drive on ICE?
Ryan Prince I was going to ask the same thing. I assume there's no way to check so you end up paying for the emissions.
Oh, I know that it is technically possible. I just don't think it will actually happen in reality. There are too many complications.. Car sensors could be modified and gamed, making it hard to be certain about the data.
I didn't actually know that.. But to be honest, I'm still not entirely convinced that it would be easy to detect a modification like that, given that it would just be a simple software hack. Do we really expect mechanics to deal with hacking too?
Yeah, the VW scandal hasn't exactly filled me with confidence! To be honest, in city centres, cars should just not be allowed. In London, the only people who drive them are the rich. Delivery trucks should have stricter standards too.
Was just going to ask about the Volvo XC90 and there it was, looking forward to that test drive!
Had one of these back in June for a week. I do a 45 mile commute a day and took it out to York one day and it averaged 98mpg. Was charged once a day. As my commute is about 15 miles more than the battery will do it's all about battery management to try and use the engine to recharge the battery, after a few days you soon know how to get the most out of it, managed to get 39 miles out of the battery one day. My current A6 ultra averages about low 50s MPG and cost roughly the same as the Volvo (list price) but the V60 is probably better spec'd for the money. Only down side was the small boot for an "estate" car. Would have ordered one there and then if it wasn't for Volvo pulling the lease discount on them.
It felt so satisfying to turn the likes from 999 to 1000.
About the adaptive cruise control.... Well, it was mostly innovated by Mercedes, to be honest. That said, Volvo kind of brought it to the masses, so they definitely deserve credit for it.
I want more fully electric car reviews :( also, your news/status updates I miss. They are usually hilarious to watch.
Fear not, there's lots coming early in 2017
I drive one as a company car. I drive about 35000 km a year (just work) and I must say that the electric capacity is good for commutes only. When on a longer drive or on a really busy day you drive mostly on the diesel engine. The slow charging is an issue. I love the power you get out of it. But the hybrid system takes away so much boot space. It is a good car, and the new Volvo hybrids are petrol hybrids, but the V60 is kind of old tech these days.
Exactly my situation. I drive 30000 kms/year (Just work). Own a Hyundai i40 diesel now. Looking for a changeover!
I thought this car was daft, test drove a used one with a this is the stupidest car mentality.
Ended up buying one, brilliant car that is a great stop gap imo, we have a leaf as well, but we can't afford a tesla, Wales is terrible for public charging, even in a model s we would get stuck if we go to North Wales unless we detour via England, this car is brilliant, great peformance, relaxing, cheap to run, halved my diesel bill, most days the engine doesn't fire up but we still get to have some wonderful drives not worrying about charging points.
Owning a leaf made me consider a phev, obviously I wish it had more range, would love a rwd only drive mode with the engine only kicking in as a generator and not having to drive the front wheels.
But you have to compare this car to what is out there, yes you can buy a zoe that does 200 miles, but it's a different league, how many AWD performance estates can do 50mpg? How many cars can you switch between FWD, AWD, RWD on demand?
To me the only comparable car to this is a model s, which I'm in no position to afford, even a used model s with moderate mileage costs near what these cost new. Yes I think these are expensive, but on the used market, what else can you buy that actually compares either in performance, comfort, safety, economy?
I bought mine 3 years old with low mileage, a real bargin imo, yes they have stopped making these. But they are a great stop gap for someone who wants a car as a stepping stone but doesn't want to sacrifice performance, comfort and safety.
I average roughly 80mpg overall, long runs can be 45 to 60 mpg, which considering what it can do I'm happy with, it gets you addicted to eco driving on electric, but you have your growly engine for that foot down moment too 😉
You might want to take a look at current clean diesel technology. With high pressure common rail direct injection systems they're remarkably low in emissions to start with, and then exhaust after-treatment systems such as catalytic converters and particulate traps reduce their emissions further until they are in some cases cleaner than gasoline engines. And they're about 30% more efficient at turning fuel into power. I wholeheartedly agree with Volvo that they are a good crossover technology, and I think they're superior to gasoline hybrids. That said, I also agree that they should produce a pure electric on the same body to give their customers options.
This is all completely wrong. When diesel exhaust is cleaned up to the same standards that gasoline engines are held to they end up being so restricted that they have virtually no advantage over any gasoline engine. Even the (significantly more expensive) BMW 328d only bests the base model Honda Accord's CO2 emissions by 6%, and the Accord still produces less smog forming emissions and more power. The Accord Hybrid is also less expensive than the BMW 328d, has the same power output, cleaner emissions, and its CO2 emissions are 35% lower!
idontcare80 : If you're losing that much to exhaust after treatment then your exhaust system is under engineered. People had the same complaints in the 1970's with the first generation catalytic converters on gasoline engines.
I'll confess I don't know much about comparative models anymore, but in terms of brake specific fuel consumption there is no internal combustion engine that can touch a modern diesel.
At this point the argument is academic, because the days of internal combustion engines in passenger cars are numbered, and the counter is counting down. Trucks may not be far behind. Heck, there's even one company with a concept for a plug-in hybrid tractor-trailer truck. Eventually we may find internal combustion engines relegated to a few special purpose vehicles with purposes and missions that make them difficult to electrify.
I get around 118mpg with my d5 phev 2018, 80% being city driving. Diesel heater is a great thing to have in Sweden at least. I must say I feel like driving a concept car now that diesels are getting extinct (and I love it). Diesel is anyway cheaper these days. The car allows you to charge the EV battery using the diesel but only if current capacity lies below 40% which is a little strange. Otherwise a great comfortable car to have with a somewhat limited boot space and aged on-board charger
I've had my V60 D6 Twin Engine for one year now. Really happy with it. I can charge at home, at work and in most shopping malls in Stockholm. I refuel diesel maybe two times a month. I do 30000km/year. My next car might have to have a larger range and quickcharge. Model 3 ? or what may have been released in the next two years when my lease ends.
Polestar P2 interest you at all?
Volvo has been very slowly progressing towards electric cars, it's really weird, because Sweden is very environmentally conscious country
Goverment policies and company policies are two very differnt things, and although production and developement is mostly done in Gothenburg, Sweden, Volvo Cars hasn't been Swedish owned since 1999. (Ford 1999-2010 and Chinese Geely 2010-present)
The Chinese are actually really pushing for electrification within Volvo, and they've actually been coming up with some interesting research (look up Volvo solar parts). SAAB is now being resurrected by the Chinese to become an electric vehicle manufacturer, so in reality the future is rather bright.
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I have a peugout 3008 Hybrid. 2 L diesel-electric engine means that I have 4 Wheel drive , 200 bhp combines .. a very nice car . Its output in terms of bits of carbon is 99 .. so its less than most petrol cars... so surely its the amount the y chuck out as opposed to what drives them that matters???
“I loathe diesel...” Then there’s me weighing up between one of these and a BMW 335d or 330d 😂
You can fit a couple even more amazing bicycles in the back...
I don't understand peoples beef with diesel. They are extremely economical, they produce tonnes of torque, they sound tough and realistically they are better for the environment than petrol cars because they use less fuel. Yes, they produce particulates and NOx but that's why DPF's and AdBlue exist. Diesel shits all over petrol and for the record, diesel is powering the EV movement! Tell me otherwise.
In response to your first statement.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/10/ellas-law-rosamund-kissi-debrah-air-pollution-death-london
So for you, driving the diesel car, everything is fine. I mean I wouldn't want to because they are so filthy, noisy, inefficient and tragically dated.
However the people you drive past, the people who have to breath the toxic clouds of gas you leave in your wake may have a different take on your enthusiasm.
All combustion engines are rubbish, dated and heading, at speed for the scrap heap of history, but diesel's are definitely in the lead.
Sales of new diesel cars have dropped by about 85% in Europe in the last 5 years.
So keep driving it, it's fine. Don't ever think about where the fuel comes from, what the impact of extracting, transporting, refining and distributing that toxic fuel has before you buy it and burn it, once, in your 'efficient' old diesel engine with 2,300 moving parts that all wear out and need constant, expensive maintenance.
Yes! I totally agree; Volvo really need to make a fully electric car. On the plus the V60 is damn good looking car.
All in all, you would be better off with a small diesel car than with a big empty PHEV
With the possibility of getting a place with a garage, I’m now considering a PHEV since I can have a charger now. But I’m still confident diesel will be the best option for me. I do a lot of motorway driving and I don’t think petrol is suited for that kind of driving, even now. Besides, I think current emissions control on modern diesels makes them no more polluting than any petrol engine.
Actually modern diesels are actually cleaner than petrol engines, better for particulates as well as CO2 and NoX. Loads of articles online confirming this. There’s talk of introducing particulate filters for petrol engines so they can catch up with diesels.
@@brianparker5006 Exactly as I thought. I’ve actually gotten myself a V60 twin engine PHEV and I absolutely love it. A few issues I need to resolve but all in all, exactly as I envisioned. Doing some tests, I’m averaging 60mpg on my day to day journeys including long distance which is the same as my 1.5litre diesel in a Dacia Sandero. For a 2.4l diesel that’s hauling a far bigger and heavier car, I’m very impressed.
Good to hear. I’ll be getting one myself shortly.
@@brianparker5006 Go for it
Please review the Solarwave 62 Yacht...
Stop waffling Robert. Lift the bonnet, show the electric drive tech in the back. Stats and numbers. Race a Corsa at the lights please
A corsa? This thing can humiliate...well, pretty much any bimmer or merc save for the M ones.
How would city centers monitor if PHEV are not driving using the diesel engine?
Noise?
Just got me thinking about Logan. Set in the future, with self-driving lorries, but everything's still internal combustion...
there are no particulates the particle filter is very efficient the tail pipe will still be shining inside after 100,000 miles , the XC90 you are going to try you will be pleased to know is a 340 bhp petrol engine version of that diesel you have there ..
Well, not in this car. You see, for particulate filters to work properly they need to regenerate at certain intervals. Not a problem with people driving on the motorway but those who will use them mainly in town and not charge them are in for a surprise when their DPFs will fail early.
I just realized that I said the channels name wrong. It's Fully Charged not Electric Charge...my bad. So, sorry.
i agree with you on plug on hybrids but should there be a minimum range before they can call them hybrid or get financial incentives?
Actually I think the diesel motor is a better fit for a hybrid. the torque is better suited to the generators needs. That's why diesel electric trains have lasted so long.
I am sure that when I compared our Skoda diesel to the Prius the Skoda actually used less fuel
Wilfred Stewart the problem is not just fuel consumption, because diesel releases harmful particulates and NOx, even when less fuel is burnt.
Torque is completely irrelevant to a generator, more torque only means that the engine spins slower at a similar power output when compared to an engine with less torque. It's actually beneficial to have a higher rpm generator because it ends up being smaller and lighter than a slower spinning generator.
Also, no matter what, diesel emissions control systems are problematic.
Still not many estate cars that are PHEV and diesel/petrol bar Toyota Auris wagon hybrid. Also the cost used is alot more palatable. For towing and cutting diesel emissions as much as possible its not a bad car. Like to see Volvo update it with a more modern battery, fast charging and swapping the diesel for one of Volvos new turbo petrols
financially, it can be defensible. because there are tests that show diesel cars can consume less fuel than a hybrid car that is petrol based. even Mercedes has they also have car based on Diesel will also hybrid car based and petrol and the interesting thing is that the particle emission between these two cars is basically identical according to test
Currently looking at the V60 hybrid.
Need something that can handle the caravan and my sons wheelchair/pushchair and as a volvo fan I like the idea of the v60.
We were looking at the polestar 2 but the amount of chargers in my area are always vandalised or just not working
Robert, what is that spelling in the description of how we measure fuel? "Liters"?! What country are you from, sir? Be proud! Spell properly!
Well, I'm from Great Britain, I'm British, proud and... oh, wait, Litre is a French word! Aaargh! It's foreign. And Liter is the Anglicised spelling of the French word, so it's 'more British.'
Oh why is the world so confusing and why do people have to be different.
Everyone who's British who I know uses litre and every Google search result I've seen says that liter is American English and litre is international
Well I'm glad you think it's so important, but I demand the right to use liter, it's freedom of speech!
But hang on chaps.... Isn't English a German/French skew, both founded upon Latin?
German did not come from Latin. Different branch on the Indo-European family tree. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages#/media/File:IndoEuropeanTree.svg French, Italian, Spanish, etc., are Romance languages that indirectly came from Latin. English is a Germanic language has lots of borrowings from French. If you're English, you're probably aware of the history of French influence on England, etc., and vice versa.
can you do something about use of precious metals in electric cars? especially the supply chain. thanks
I've been watching a few of your episode....
I was wonder how PHEV or Pure Electric cars is anything for people with caravans?
The V60 D5/D6 is looking good since diesel cars are really nice for towing.
Any thoughts?
cool car
European diesel engines are so clean and efficient that they are almost better than a small power plant
Leo Wang that's not a hundred percent correct. Under the right conditions they might be (emissions tests) but there are a lot of exceptions where they aren't.
For example when they are cold they are putting out many times more emissions than they should. But as far as I understand that's not illegal because it supposed to prevent damage to the engine.
European diesel engines are dirtier than most gasoline engines.
You look like an older version of Simon Pegg :-) Hadn't noticed it until now
I like the fact that I'm an 'older version.' Okay, it's true, I am older but no one has said that before. I'm flattered, even though I'm really old :-)
I have just such a car! :D But I guess I have it with higher equipment list since I have "keyless" and doesn't need to plug in a key to a hole. Did you try without putting the key in there? ;) This car is my marijuana and it will lead me to the heavier drugs.. :) (My next car will certainly be a BEV. I'm looking to plug it in wherever I go to use as little diesel as possible. On longer runs it´s hard not to, but as good as all of my city driving and commute is all electric. One thing I will have a problem with when changing to a BEV is hauling trailers and caravan... As of now there isn't much of a choice for that when having a BEV. :/ (Model X is way to expensive for me.)
I put my hopes up for the two comming Volvo Electric vehicles. They have promised two of them before the end of 2019. One around 300km/charge and one at about 500km/charge. :)
Volvo Dashcam my issue as well, two big dogs family of five only holidays are towing a caravan (not by choice) and current car is a vauxall zafara diesel does the job, wish I could get a EV or a phev to fit that role. costs is to much.
Well.. The V60 D5 TE is a great car for towing a caravan. But it might be hard to fit two dogs in the back if they are big ones..
I have high hopes for Volvos bigger BEV... But I guess it will be a bit to expensive the first year or two. (usually they have it fully packed with equipment and biggest engines first year at a high cost, and lowering that when they ramp up the production.
They really need to sort the kers action out, especially in a car that has a generator running, like a diesel engine.
This one would definitely make sense for me. I do few longer trips a year, and at the moment, the only BEV that can somehow (with multiple 30-40 minute stops) do those trips is Tesla. And it costs £99k!
Such PHEV however is much better for the job. Especially because it's diesel - on motorways diesel does better MPG then petrol, and on the Continent it costs cheaper.
Charging structure is not advancing in West Wales, The councils are not interested not even the Welsh Assembly
yes, we are in agreement that particulates are extremely bad, but there are better filters now and the power density of diesel is far better than petrol, so I dunno... What is worst? more CO2 or particulates? Anyway... food for thought...
vourkosdude, maybe not CO2 but high NOX. I drive a diesel so I'm not criticizing - but it's not ideal.
vourkosdude Don't believe the hype. The auto industry has hoodwinked us for many years, saying diesel emission filters are cleaner and meet strict regulations. They've been proven to be lying (and/or bending the truth by turning them off below 17°C and calling that engine protection) by the results of real world tests. Now the auto industry is fighting to stop the EU introducing real world tests into the certification process next year because... they know that they can't meet the regulations, so they want another year or two to be able to continue selling their dirty engines. Don't buy diesel.
What's a diesel? Signed VW😀.
Dirty, heavy, expensive, under-powered and obsolete, that's what diesels are.
idontcare80 : Depends on your purpose. Diesels are taking over light aviation. They are no longer heavy or underpowered, modern ones aren't all that dirty, and depending on your purpose they are far from obsolete.
No, they actually are extremely heavy and under-powered, especially when used as aviation engines. The Austro AE 300 (used in the Diamond DA62) makes only 180 hp and weighs in at over 400 pounds! There are 350 hp gasoline burning engines that weigh as much (TSIOL-550-C)! Cessna offered a 182 with the SMA SR305-230 (which is also extremely heavy for the amount of power it makes) for a very short time, but they dropped it because they were having problems with the engines. If anything is taking over light aviation, it's the Rotax 912, it's being installed in countless LSAs. Diesels are nothing but a dead-end technology, they're completely obsolete for use in anything.
Something like the Adept 320T is the way forward for aircraft engines.
Other than some models from Diamond Aircraft, I'm not even sure if anything else is flying with diesels, so it's a pretty major stretch to say that diesels are taking over light aviation. The Cessna 172 had a diesel for a short time, but Cessna dropped that as well. I would imagine that customers hate the lack of power and added weight. Diesels are nothing more than the central focus of a massive greenwashing campaign. Mogas would be the fuel to adopt in aviation, it's cheap, available everywhere, has no lead, and it doesn't require hauling around an extra 200 pounds of iron for each engine. Modern gasoline engine designs (current designs have hardly changed since the 1950s) could also reduce fuel consumption considerably.
I also meant to say that diesels were made obsolete in heavy ground vehicle applications by Wrightspeed's hybrid system, they've never been a good fit for light vehicles, and gasoline/electric hybrid systems should take over in pickup trucks. Diesel engines really just have no place anywhere.
Edit: There's also a 380 hp 180 degree V8 diesel being developed, but I don't know where those guys think their engine is going to be installed. There are no airframes that I know of which could make use of 650 pound, 380 hp engines. If someone was going to design an airframe around an engine that heavy, they might as well go for broke, add a hundred pounds of engine weight and 370 hp and use Trace engines.
Since you brought up the DA62, a friend of mine is a sales manager at Diamond. As I understand from him the major problem they have with both the DA62 and its predecessor, the DA42, is that Diamond can't build them fast enough. While there have been some technical issues with the engine, mostly related to the propeller speed reduction gearbox, the biggest problem they've had is financial. Specifically, Austro staying in business long enough to deliver a product despite financial issues and a string of lawsuits. The operators who have them love the low direct operating expenses, because jet fuel is a LOT less expensive than avgas, and pilots love them for the single lever power management. Having flown a DA42, I can tell you that the single lever power management, while it sounds like a small thing, drastically reduces perceived cockpit workload, especially in instrument conditions.
Cessna's problem with the SMA engines was twofold. First, bad management and internal squabbles among SMA's partners kept them from delivering a product. Second, Textron owns both Cessna and Lycoming, so of course they're going to keep as much of their manufacturing as possible under one umbrella. That's a recipe for them to continue building aircraft with Lyconasaurs up front. Plus, Lycoming has a vested interest in the installed fleet of gasoline powered Lyconasaurs, and they aren't going to salt their own fields.
As for your claim that diesels are "completely obsolete for use in anything", I'll make you a wager: When Otto engines take over the majority of operations in heavy industry, trucking, railroads, and ships, then I'll buy you dinner at the fine dining establishment of your choice. I don't expect it's a bet I'll lose, because if anything electrification will take over those operations long before Otto engines will, if even electrification can.
do y'all have the chevy volt in the UK if so, can you review it. I'm really interested in your opinion of it at electric charge.
I've never seen one. Isn't Chevrolet part of GM? If that's the case it might turn up under the Vauxhall name.
Actually, GM produce the Vauxhall Ampera as a sister model to the Volt.
I was just going to reply about that lol but it wouldn't let. Here's what I was trying to say anyway. Thank you for the reply Ben. Yes, Chevy is under GM here in the U.S. I do know that ya'll are getting the Bolt under the Opel name, but I didn't know about Vauxhall. I'll have to look it up.
ben hunter Not anymore! They stopped making them last year :(
Looks like the full electric Ampera-e is only available under Opel in Europe and not in the UK unfortunately. :(
Hi Robert could you do a review on the new 250 mile Renault Zoe
I think he was driving it yesterday or the day before, so I'm sure a video will be forthcoming soon.
I don’t think the electric-only mileage was even mentioned. 🙄 Manufacturer figures are 31 miles on batteries alone. And it’ll do up to 70 mph in Pure electric too. It’s much more than simply a token gesture of a hybrid system, and the review was completely unfair as it did not show it being driven in full EV mode (due to him clearly forgetting to charge it or depleting the battery power before turning the cameras on), completely missing the point of the car!
Putting the price up actually doesn't man a lot to me. I've just ordered a Zoe 40 kwh and have a great discount. Go into a Hyundai dealer and they won't offer a penny off an Ioniq electric. I have no idea whether you'll get a discount from Volvo but the list prices really don't reflect what you will pay in most cases and are only a rough guide.
I'm with you that these will get more people into running electric. And you will avoid the angst of where to charge up when the battery runs low.
Bigger batteries so more of the daily commute will be electric and then the dinosaur muncher under the hood starts when you are doing 110 kph driving to your vacation. And another big improvement would be to allow the use of biodiesel in the cars.
That and electric would make driving a lot more enjoyable, says the man sitting in a diesel transit not allowed to drive an eco car by the local government here in Stockholm.
So what's the range in pure electric mode? I didn't quite catch that.
30/40km in winter, 40/50km in summer.
Me in a 2013 @ 200.000 km 20km winter 25km summer for a 15km comute not bad!
Is the diesel not there cos of volvos ethos of off road 4x4 with style that is needed in Scandinavia
Robert; It would seem as though You have missed the whole thing about direct-injected petrol engines and their particulatesproblem. I won't for a second defend diesel engines but as far as I'm aware, modern, direct-injected petrol engines emits particulates as badly, or even worse, than most diesel engines. I think that it would be a very relevant thing to discuss on FC, regardless if it's true or not.
I do apologise for any grammar issues, it's too late for internet...
While I agree that petrol engines are bad, they are bad in a slightly different way to diesels. Essentially internal combustion is a dead technology that isn't going anywhere. All ICE are inefficient, dirty, dated and stagnated and we really need to stop using them.
The absolute computer control of the fuel/air mixture and the design of the modern petrol engine to achieve the best combustion under load means the particulates (though there are some) are vastly less than for a diesel and are improving all the time. Mixtures these days are far "leaner" than they used to be and also run much hotter - which improves efficient.
To be fair to diesels though, current combustion characteristics as a result of such advances are also vastly better than they used to be. The days of black smoke from the exhaust of a modern diesel vehicle is long gone.
Modern diesel engines actually have much less particle emissions then modern direct-injected petrol engines, because they have a particle filter that is working very well. Most petrol engines don't have a filter yet, but some are going to need one for Euro6...
Of course, diesel still has NOx emissions, while petrol has CO emissions. But I think it is wrong to say that diesel is bad and petrol is good.
I would hardly say a V60 is "roomy", gone are the times of roomy Volvo estates (but I love the v90 design)
"Ford sold the Volvo Car Corporation in 2010 to China (Geely Automobile) for $1.8 billion." ~ wickedpedia
Still many of them made in Sweden, and they are designed and developed in Sweden.
Volvo Dashcam that's true, but who and where are the final-decision makers?
NOT China the nation, Geely is a private company. Best thing to happen to Volvo was getting away from Ford, Ford almost killed the car brand. Now the new generation Volvos are soo highly respected thanks to Geely let the swedish team do what they want.
Neojhun
CHINA is the Parent Corporation that incorporated Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, who's subsidiary is Geely Automobile.
You see, there are no Governments only Corporations, claiming to be a Citizen, Resident, or Person within their documentation provides your consent to be treated and charged under Trade and Commerce Codes.
For my Job I drive a 7 seater fossil oil burner.
i hurn £9000 a year of nasty smelly smoking polution.
I do not want to do this!
I want to drive electric but we have no rapid chargers anywhere (except on Motorways) within 35 miles.
how about a program to point out the stupidity of local councils who are "doing their bit" but stupidly only installing 16amp / 20amp chargers. These are useless to us taxi drivers. there are over 130 taxi drivers who would switch to Electric over very quicly if we had rapid chargers just in my small town alone.
There is a taxi company in Cornwall that uses LEAF's. They installed their own rapid charger. It's an expense for sure, but pays for itself in spades. Maybe rather than wait for the the local council to do anything of consequence, why not install your own at the taxi rank?
leafs are totally useless unless you only work locally. Fine if you have low job volume and very high prices. My prices are fixed by local council and I drive about 185 to 330 miles a shift. So yes a rapid charger is required but a leaf's 50 mile / 65 (actual) range is absolutely useless to me.
I have priced the cost of a rapid charger and at £19000+ installation.. its not going to happen with my taxi company
A Tesla (a heavy car) costs 4 pence per mile to run, a diesel car costs 15p.
You save 11p per mile.
Assuming you drive 44,400 (low estimate) miles per year Bill; you save £4,884 per year in fuel costs.
So, if you installed a Rapid Charger and ONLY you used it, it would cover it's cost in under 4 years.
If other taxi drivers used it as well it would cover it's cost in a lot less time.
Also, this is based on the cost to drive a heavy Tesla, a lighter vehicle would cost even less to run.
I think it is financially a good idea for you to get one installed yourself, but try talking to the council, they might love the idea of having a fully electric taxi chain, great for PR!
Is it ever going to be available in the US market? Can it run on biodiesel?
I hate my £800 Nissan primers 1.8 petrol 2004, would love to upgrade to electric, but don't know what is cheap but good?
i recognise the area of bristol your driving through, maybe i should be listening more 😝
This maybe a better option than a standard diesel but I don't understand why anyone would still want to buy a diesel these days. Something better than a rubbish option doesn't make it a good option, it just might be "a little less rubbish"
i you drive >250 km/day there is still limited chose off BEV and if you need to pull something there are only Tesla X. Pure drive in city an 2*50 ev km every is a great reduction in my world.
volvo's new styling makes their current styling look awful by comparison
cant wait for the v60 to get the s90/xc90 update