Like A Dragon: Infinite Wealth's New Game Plus DLC Is Worse Than I Thought
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- Опубликовано: 29 янв 2024
- While a new game plus DLC on day one is already a bad look, it manages to get worse.
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Sony doesn't allow dlc achievements to count towards the Platinum. That's why you got the Infine Wealth achievement in the main game
That's actually pretty customer friendly.
the DLC itself, however, can have its own platinum i believe
i think Ghost of Tsushima has a platinum for main game and one for the DLC
@@celfhelpit doesn't. Just one platinum for the main game.
You can however generate 2 platinums off Ghost of Tsushima as the PS4 and PS5 trophy lists are separate entities; maybe that's why they thought one was from dlc?
Only game I know of that did this is MH World and MH World: Iceborne, which was pretty justified since Iceborne is fucking huge@@celfhelp
SEGA never misses an opportunity to milk their customers, their business practices are disgusting and it goes beyond these DLCs, they love to add invasive DRMs to their games, and regional pricing is non-existent for them, the game is cheaper on Japan than on Brazil lmao. For the sake of comparison, Baldur's Gate 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 costs R$200 BRL, while LAD8 costs R$350 BRL. It's insanely expensive.
Yea I saw one of their very bad practices recently as I tried some of the games out of a Genesis collection I own and found out they removed the Sonic games to resell them in other ways.
@@gucciguy3408Bruh there is no way thats a nasty move from SEGA
as someone from brazil I've given up on buying games on release, especially ones with paid dlcs
time to start sailing, matey
I had a lot of hope for Sega from the way they treated the Sonic Frontiers DLC. I was saddened to see them locking features behind pay wall that are normally part of the base game.
$70 price tag out the door, BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE
It's truly a shame because these games are so good otherwise
As a fan of the franchise this is sad to see, not sure when I'll be able to play this, the prices here on Brazil are outrageous
Verdade.
Faça como eu, espere alguns anos e compre em promoção de 80% pra cima. Nem consigo jogar Day 1, tenho outros jogos pra jogar antes de qualquer novo lançamento.
Is it sad to see? Most people never play ng+ or even finish the base game in the first place to get to the point they could play ng+
And ng+ in the last game didn't add anything substantial either so now you're just not paying for something you statistically wouldn't have used in the first place that was underwhelming in the last game
@@devastatheseeker9967 People like you are the exact reason why they keep geting away with this shitty anti-consumer practices
@@devastatheseeker9967'you're not paying for it' could be a potential argument if infinite wealth had a lower price tag then the other games in the series that do have new game +, yet it's the most expensive game in the series yet.
This is EA levels of scummy. New game plus should be a basic feature these days.
Yea Sega is on EA's level of scummy in almost every way.
I don't mind. The base game is what most ppl will play anyway. I don't mind paying extra to support the developers. It's like tipping your mechanic after they do a good job with your car.
@@CJ-wh7ik im sure your mechanic runs a multi billion dollar company
@@CJ-wh7ikit’s there job
Why do people type messages like purchasing DLC helps devs. Are they getting a cut of the profit of the cut features now being sold as DLC? Or is this just even more money into the hands of execs and shareholders? "support your salary-man by giving the owner twice your money for no reason"@@CJ-wh7ik
Thank you for being the bearer of bad news with the same grace you bear good news.
Sadly this will probably continue in the yakuza games, the same new game + controversy happened with the japanese release of 7 but it was forgotten because western release fixed it many months later. Ishin also had microtransactions for the grindy upgrade materials. Honestly the best way to play these games is to wait a year and buy a complete edition with all the dlc when its on sale.
Or pirate it
what do you mean? Ive beaten every single title in the franchise aside from Ishin and the Judgement games. the best way to play these games is to just play the games... they're already complete and have an absolutely staggering amount of content, and they dont really get a lot of updates or changes. DLC for jrpgs is honestly notoriously bad or mid at best. 9 times out of 10 its just outfits or a crappy dungeon or 2, this is not unique to yakuza.
The only reason we got NG+ in the base edition of 7 is "The Hero of Yakuza" Scott Strichart..
Now that he's not working there, you can see the aftereffects.
@@sparkyspinz9897 im pretty sure lost judgment have one whole fighting style lock behind paywall, least kaito files is good though
@@sparkyspinz9897 "JRPGs have bad DLC" is no excuse for what SEGA is doing here. And no, the game is literally not complete, they removed content to lock behind an extra paywall.
20 Dollars for that?? Holy shit I tought that it would maybe be 5 which would already be too much. Just thinking that for 30 Dollars you can get the fantastic Phantom Liberty and then you see this, that is a joke.
Its japan elden ring charged 20 for a digital soundtrack. Yk a digital one as in one that you can listen to online for free.
@@silentkaine9352that’s much better as it’s not typical baked in features and can be ignored lol
@@silentkaine9352That's the case for most game soundtracks. This has to do with the licensing of the soundtrack. If you listen to it on Spotify or RUclips there are different licensing arrangements in place. And it's not free to listen to it on these platforms since the platform will have to pay a fee to the copyright owner.
They think a lot of us are dumb enough to buy. In many cases, they're right
@@Brownaut1993majority of the fans will probably will, you are right about that
i remember when Metro Last light did this and we bash them to oblivion for that.
Man soo much good will lost with one dick move by SEGA
Wouldn't be the first time; they were notorious for this type of stuff in the early and mid 2000s.
Yeah but Yakuza series was such happy place fans were happy and sales was good for longest time and this shit just killed good will with us.
Yea and as I recently tried to play a Genesis collection of theirs...They removed Sonic games from it to reselll in other means.,..So they are still known for this and much worse.
Would recommend everyone not support any game with Sega attached to it...Unless they like these awful practices and want them to continue.@@ShiningT1g3R
You almost never have a negative title like this so seeIng this on one my favorite series really hurts. Really wonder who thought this dlc would be received well when dlc is already frowned upon in general
The people at Sega aren't very smart and routinely do dumb 💩 like this every few years. And to think people were happy they were going back to how they use to be in the 90s bringing back that attitude and the classic IPs... Let this break any illusions.
because the DLC sold well last time and not many people complained.
@@stargateheaven23Uh… What? I thought New Game+ in RGG 7 got criticised so badly that localised copies just had it without DLC?
@@Sparket it came out later in english and became “international version” (which was later released in Japanese)
Main difference being the NG+ content, bonus dungeon and english voices.
This time was a worldwide release, so everywhere got the same version.
I don’t care for NG plus myself but if it’s paid today. What aspects of games will we have to pay for tomorrow
Difficulty options...
I'm beyond happy to see you going above and beyond with the information in this video Mort. Great job!
Terribly disappointed they went this route.
It sucks when you live on a third world country and video game prices are slowly getting way out of your budget.
I really struggled with 'should I get this DLC when I buy the game', and ultimately settled on 'no'.
Thank you for making me feel I made the right choice!
I bought the deluxe out of appreciation for a series I enjoy, but seeing as the two main draws amount to almost nothing I’m a little disappointed. Atleast theres the cosmetics, sujimon, and dondoko islands stuff
A DLC that makes the base game arguably worse, who would've come up with such a bad idea?! It's even 20 euros in my country! Thank you for addressing this, Mort.
Sounds about right, when creatives are forced to implement business decision.
Basically some ceo or someone higher up said we want more money out of our pay pigs
Perhaps if your enemy likes to play the game, then you buy him this DLC as a present? :D
3:00 this is not weird at all every game excludes dlc trophies in the requirement to get the platinum trophy.
On playstation sure, not how it works on steam generally
I feel like this is just Sega being greedy and taking advantage of passionate fans.
Yea Sega is one of the Companies that if I see it attached to a game now I won't buy it.
And that isn't solely on this,but more heinous acts from them in the past.
This DLC Looks so bad, why are they selling stuff that clearly isn't finished
The first Like a Dragon game had a similar thing. Their dungeons are really bad. So I'd say it's not that it isn't finished, but that IS the finished product, which makes it really bad.
"Isnt finished". Brother im 50 hours in and just passed the halfway mark. Yall complain bout bullshit
@@ChristopherJasonHerrOmegaXi reading comprehension is not your thing right?
@@ChristopherJasonHerrOmegaXihe said the dlc, you might want to learn to read for comprehension brother.
@@DermetsuWe better give Christopher some books to read then 😂
Extra info:
The outfits from the DLC can be used from chapter 5 onwards as 'battle outfits' once you can change jobs.
Also note that the default swimsuits are not available as 'battle outfits' initially but I believe they are unlocked later. So, if you want your team in swimsuits during battle early then the DLC will give you that.
Post game allows you to set outfits while exploring.
Apparently though, starting NG+ REMOVES the ability to set outfits while exploring again! (WTF?!! Why?!! 😮)
Sooooo, NG+ is a bit meh!
Post game dungeon is just for grinding really.
Only other reason to get DLC is to have cool 'battle outfits' early.
Have I got that about right?
Thanks for the video. Was a little disappointed you didn’t mention this in the sponsored video which is understandable but should’ve expected you would make a separate video for this. And yeah I didn’t bother buying the DLC because I figured the implementation of NG+ in a long JRPG would be abysmal anyway even without the moral implications.
Yeah they locked more story behind it.. Thank you for talking about it and not ignoring it like Yongyea. *Vague tweet that doesn't mention the company or game name is useless. No video from him.
didn't he voice kiryu? makes sense that he didn't want to talk about it.
@alex-uw4mm That is not a valid reason and it is hypocrisy. You can't say let me ignore issues in gaming if it personally affect me, but let me talk about everything under the sun that doesn't. It's about consistency and integrity. Not his bag.
@JavaSchoolBlues There's no excuses that are justifiable. He shouldn't have signed a contract like that then. Who signs a contract that restricts you from criticism? Also: That is purely speculation. It's just as likely that he only care about the money atp.
Yong being a hypocrite is not new. Already he hates anything Xbox does and praises and excuses anything Sony does. It's like he's a permanent soldier in a console war people stopped caring about 10 years ago, except he also pretends to be a neutral and critical source.
It's weird that despite all of this I do like him, I think he's a talented voice actor, generally likeable, and makes good content. I just ignore anything he says about any studio even tangentially related to either PlayStation or Xbox.
He's literally the voice actor of Kiryu, he would probably burn his relationship with Sega as a voice actor. If speaking up lost your job, would you do that?
And the fact that he said anything about putting the new game+ behind a dlc is more than most voice actors have spoken negatively about a game they're included in. They're usually not allowed to mention anything like he did.
Just say you don't like Yong lol but don't act like Yong is skirting around this because he's some shill. If anything, he'd make a lot of money with views from that video, don't you think? "Eng VA of Kazuma Kiryu shuns Sega's Scummy Business practices". You think Yong wouldn't jump on that revenue?
So it's basically the same thing as Yakuza: Like A Dragon. RGG studios doesn't know how to balance an RPG.
Unless it comes out RGG was entirely behind this I'd chalk this up to Sega being behind it. This dumb stuff is entirely their mo. They had the TW dev Creative Assembly making a hero shooter live service game that even a monkey could predict would've flopped before being greenlit.
I don't mean the nickel-and-diming. I men the actual design of the game. Constantly getting interrupted by lowbies, the uninspired dungeons, all that. @@CrazyxEnigma
@@MaxAngor Ah, my bad.
Yeah I had some real issues with the first LAD and I'm more than a little pissed that RGG didn't listen to the criticisms. It's poor design and it's time-wasting. It's really disappointing, truth told. @@CrazyxEnigma
I guess we know why they called it Infinite Wealth now
Thanks for making this video and releasing it so quickly
Small qustion but does dondoko suggestion box stuff get carried over like completion list?
Thanks Mort, that's why we watch you, for honest reviews
Imagine that. They raised the price of PC games from $50 to $60. Then, they raised them from $60 to $70. Then, IN THE SAME YEAR PERIOD, they raised them to $85 (by removing content and then adding it back for a price). That's $25 more than the same thing would have cost a year ago. That's a NEARLY FIFTY PERCENT INCREASE.
I'll buy it. I like the series. I'll wait until I can get it on Steam with the NG+ for $30.
Watch when games inflate to £100 and that would be the base game, not the deluxe or gold edition 😮😮😢😢 these days it's not worth buying games day one whatsoever
Thanks for taking the time to separately review the DLC as it’s been the sole reason I’ve been holding off on the game itself. I’m still not sure I want to support Sega by purchasing this game, but I may only by the base game as a middle-ground.
I really dislike when they lock a game-mode behind MTX, such as two of the Metro games and Ranger mode. Every now and then another company tries it, such as MP LVL cap (I can't remember which.)
Appreciate the information here. It’s such a shame this studio/publisher pulled this ridiculous move and tanked their good will with the community. It’s been nothing but positivity for years but it really does seem like no company is beyond greed.
With no real consequence for greed, it will grow out of control. This is the natural end result of letting companies like EA get away their antics like loot boxes. It will only get worse if we as a community don't stop it by not feeding them.
Add to that, from what I've seen from your videos the dungeons look and feel exactly as the ones I played in Yakuza: Like a dragon
Do DLC achievements on PC count towards 100%? I’m primarily on PS and in my experience with that the achievements for any DLC are always separate, they generally don’t have their own platinum (100%) trophy, nor do they count towards the platinum for the base game. I’m just curious if the opposite holds true for PC, which is the impression I’m getting.
They count to Mort's definition, which is the one that matters in this case.
@@Llortnerof ok, and that’s fine, I am aware that his definition of 100% is more than just the achievements. His confusion at getting an achievement during the base game that he seemingly thought should’ve required dlc content is why I’m asking.
I would have counted them regardless yeah, but Steam as a platform use % of achievements total and doesnt make any distinctions for DLC unless its standalone
@@MortismalGaming gotcha, ty for replying and clarifying
I haven't had a chance to play this yet, is there some equivalent of the True/Final Millennium Tower? That was the only real challenge at high levels in the last game. Or really it was the only reason to bother getting higher levels.
Das the big swell
When the lead Dev and creator of the Yakuza series, Nagoshi , left Sega in 2021 this was bound to happen. Theyre starting to push these games out every few months now like cod/fifa or something and going absolutely crazy with cut content. This is not dlc, its cut content. The game costs 70€ here and started with 160€ of dlc available.
So that would explain the changes in how they handled these games then when the main dev leaves the company
Not really RGGS been releasing games pretty often since the first one, and the mainline games if anything are taking longer now since game development takes longer in general nowdays. You're right about the change in the DLC trend tho
They always released a new title every 1-2 years. When Nagoshi left there was a little hiatus and now this is the 3rd title released within 11 months.@@aba7968
Nagoshi isn't a hero, he also pushes for yearly yakuza releases. The new game + dlc alr happened when hes still in charge
@@palekevo1935 Under him they had a release every 1-2 years, this is the 3rd full price release within 11 months. And none of their older games has more than 10-30€ dlc as far as i can see.
I'm glad you addressed this. Was bummed out when you said you were reviewing this - thank you for keeping them honest.
@@DietersYT Appeared to be doing a sponsored piece - which in turn made it seem unlikely this problem would be addressed.
The game does look impressive. However one could debate whether or not it DESERVES to be reviewed.
Some might say these practices are so egregious that the game deserves nothing more than an outrage piece and call to refuse supporting the game until Sega revisits this move. Some might say Sega's actions here are extremely significant and, absent pushback, will be looked back upon 5 years from now as "Horse Armor 2.0.". If fact I believe asmongold said those very words.
Nevertheless I'm glad my most respected reviewer was able to meet the expectations of his sponsorship - and still deliver the honest analysis he is known for.
As noted elsewhere in this thread, other reviewers were not able to rise to the occasion on this one.
How did you manage to have your characters use their job clothing outside of fights, like in 2:00? Is that also an NG+ feature or something else?
Its available when you hit the post game
Looking forward to play this in a couple of years. Still haven’t finished the previous title, there’s something about that needlessly complicated business side game that demotivates me from finishing it.
Well, for the infinite well achievement, I guess it is something like the diamond trophies in ps. Where u can get it in most games with base game, so it is not "unfair" with ppl that dont buy dlc to get the diamond throphy. especially when sometimes dlc comes out months after you finish the game completely.
Yeah, it's just not how it works on steam generally
Seems as though the cancellation of hyenas is having a flow on effect of the higher ups forcing the devs of all their other franchises to increase the prices of their games. Total war and persona series are also getting price hikes in their base game and dlc prices. Still hoping this review will lead to you playing the rest of the yakuza series and this issue won't put you off it
What're your ideas for a perfect ng+? Ideally I'd like the player to choose what we want to carry over but I personally want anything grindy expect exp and maybe job exp (bring over bonds, money, items, gear, unspent minigame points, anything a pain in the ass to get) and bestiary data.
Basically I want to keep everything and not annihilate all who stand before me lol
Thanks Mort, for bringing this up. This game was supposed to be RGG/Sega's magnum opus and knew fans were eagerly waiting for it, and they still went ahead with this scummy behaviour. Sad.
How do you get the 1.1x multiplier for the money?
Accessory from the fortunes vendor at the Shrine
I'm a big fan of these games, and I'm loving this one so far, but the DLC strategy was a big misstep. I just bought the base game, but would have bought a deluxe version to support the devs if it had been more fan-servicey and not scummy like removing series/genre staple features. I dont even care about anything in the DLC, but I feel bad for the devs, having a great game marred by bad biz practices.
would your opinion change if this NG+ be free instead?
Why wouldn't it? That's the point? new game+ has always been free, including the bonus content of it
@@Mystra have you watched the video? He expresses that the implementation of NG+ is bad, even make his experience of the game overall become worse, even though the base game is great
@elstriker2020 Yes I did, maybe you have no principles
@@Mystra both aspects matter, whether it is free or not and whether the implementation is good.
I rather pay for something well done than the piece of crap sega is marketing as DLC. And with this I am not saying that it is ok to not-include NG+ in the base game -_-
@@Mystra I was being nice to you, no need to get personal :)
And besides I was asking morty's opinion on this matter. No more no less.
Yakuza 7(Yakuza: Like a Dragon)‘s new game plus worked the same and was also a dlc in Japan
due to the games releasing outside of Japan a year later RGG often includes free dlc, which for 7 included NG+
Its just Japan being Japan. Elden ring charged 20 for a digital soundtrack and nobody batted aj eye
Soundtracks are different though as most people won't be seeing that as intrusive to the gaming world.
Japan business practices yea....Konami,Sega and tons of their companies have these awful practices.
@@gucciguy3408 So we should reward them for offering less content for money as oppose to more?
I was super gung-ho about Yakuza 8 until the shady DLC stuff was announced. I don't mind paying a premium for premium content but gating common mechanics behind it and seeing how phoned in the rest is feels very disappointing. The game went from a day one buy to a "wait until deep discounts hit" for me.
Thank you for reviewing it. To put an enggame, moreover pretty horrible in its mechanics, behind a DLC costing 20€ is egregious. I hope the negative reviews on steam will bring back the publisher at better consummer policies.
Can you access extra dungeon on your first playthrough? I don't have time to play it twice just for some mediocre dlc.
Yeah it becomes available in the post game
Thanks for the honest thoughts! I appreciate your slightly dry and matter of fact delivery style, and it’s really well suited to a negative takedown where your feels are clear but it doesn’t feel like you’re ranting off the hook!
Man hope this new greedy moves doesn’t become a norm.
I garauntee Sega told them to make NG+ dlc at the last minute but knew people would be pissed so had them throw together whatever asset flip content they could real quick to make it seem like more than it is. Because I agree, the base game is so good. Hard to believe they would drop the ball so poorly here.
Doesn’t ng plus come with new episodes though or not?
That's a bummer.
But a small "victory" for those few who still never buy DLCs for any game.
(In my case, as someone who usually buys games when they're well seasoned, I tend to spend some small additional amount of money in order to get the full version of them, which includes all DLCs. For this title I'll just have to remember that the base game is all there is to it!)
Thanks for your videos!
I usually base it on whether there's a substantial amount of added content. The basic idea isn't new, after all, what DLCs brought is publishers trying to sell tiny bits and pieces in addition to the larger expansions we had long before.
It's also why i wasn't terribly concerned about this one. I already knew the NG+ and dungeons for the previous game and wasn't expecting that to amount to much. I'd even disagree with Mort that the NG+ was the biggest thing since you can get almost the same experience by just starting a new game.
I'm patiently waiting for this bundle to be on sale, the value would be alright at the right price I guess, buying this early would probably sting a little, but that is an odd choice how you can't wear dlc costumes until after the game is complete?
Hows the dlc achievements not counting for the Infinite Wealth achievement weird?
I just wanna make the statement that the average jrpg enjoyer is not likely to feel like theyre missing out because ng+ contains such a small amount of content worth exploring in pretty much all jrpgs unless youre really after that true ending that some need ng+ for
Still a terrible marketing decision, making this an "eventually when it's on sale" purchase for me (like a dragon was a lot of fun) and i am suspecting the bonus content will eventually find it's way into the base purchase, but looking at it, isn't going to be a deal breaker if it doesn't
Also this doesn't surprise me, Yakuza games love monetizing things that really shouldn't be monetized (like jobs/classes) like some sort of mafia
Yeah I made a similar comment further up. New game plus is almost completely irrelevant in the Yakuza games, I stopped doing new game+ years ago because it offer almost NOTHING. Apparently this offers the ability to play it at a harder difficulty? That's it? I cant even remember the last time I had any interest or need to go into new game plus in these games, there just no substance to it.
For whoever follows the series closely, this DLC drama happened for Like A Dragon 7 in japan.
The West has just caught up to it with Infinite Wealth. It’s very bad but nothing new.
I bought the standard edition anyway because i saw very little value in the extra content especially at that price. The game’s huge already.
What does nothing new mean? So they've been scumbags for longer? I don't get the point
Yea Sega bad scumbags and they like many others will support them and several other bad companies because they wanna play a newer game.@@Mystra
@@Mystra It means nothing is changing anytime soon, so you might as well buy the game as standard version , wait for a sale, or just shift your attention to another game and not get angry over shit dlc.
@FaerieFaye No cuz not getting angry and not doing anything about it is how we get treated like this in the first place! This is your fault (people like you) aka enablers that tells us to buy the game anyway. The only way this change is if we don't. And that we indeed get angry and tell them why we not buying it.
@@Mystra Don't play the high card if you people did your job in the first place we wouldn't be at this point.
I didn't buy the NG+ bundle for $85 and I'm sure not buying NG+ separately for $20. I didn't even spend $70 on the base game, I got it for a few cents over $60 during a Gamebillet Christmas sale. Not sure why they were doing sales on preorders but hey, I'll save $10.
I'm appalled by NG+ being this bad. I checked the Steam reviews you mentioned and you apparently have to re-unlock things like jobs?! I already didn't engage with jobs in the base game because they unlock way too late for me to care. NG+ would have been the perfect opportunity to mess with them, but you can't even if you pay the extra money. What a joke.
Seems like there's other issues too, like characters joining your party with level 20 gear from the base game and difficulty, even if you're playing Legend where enemies are level 75+. And you enter a battle right away before you get to change their gear, so you're just stuck with a teammate who has garbage gear, can't deal damage or take damage due to weak weapons and armor.
This would all be stuff to complain about if NG+ was included for free as it should have been... SEGA wants $20 for this broken mess?! The greed is staggering.
All of those points are true but the sh*thole goes even deeper. Characters that join the party late won't have their level scaled up from the previous save. Once you get to the Kiryu part in the second half, the first thing you do is likely to level grind because your teammates are all 15 levels lower than where they should be.
And the worst of it all, they didn't even bother to remove the tutorials. There's zero effort whatsoever put into this.
I feel that some beancounter up the totem pole pushed this DLC nonsense on RGG at the last minute.
Total shame Sega would make such an uninformed decision, it is basically why I didn’t buy the game. That and the horrid English dub voice acting of a certain character.
Sega just really can't help themselves can they? And not only is them even doing this an insult they have the nerve to charge $20 for it? NO! Let Sega catch as much heat as possible for this stupidity!
For gamepass folks there are like 3 or 4 Yakuza games already free to play, I am playing through Ishin while I wait for this situation to clear up.
Ishin is not available on Plus extra sadly so I can't even play that, have other games to play till then anyways
I was somewhat tempted to get this just to add more playtime to a game which I love. Thanks a lot for encouraging me to save my money instead!
I wasnt expecting that.
Same. I expected them to milk franchises, I mean look at P5 lol. But this is too much.
just to add something real quick for the base game trophy: it popped cause DLC tophies never count towards base game trophies. which is a very good thing.
HOWEVER. ichiban, level 70 trophy. the maximum level you can fight is the amons/robomichi's fight. and they are around level 55-ish. even with the DLC dungeon it takes a long while to get to level 70. so imagine grinding that shit out against level 55 enemies? the only real hope you got with that is doing enough of the minigames to get those level booster drinks that give you a single level. and i think there are about 10 in the base game? not sure on how many but i know they are limited to 1-3 in most minigames. so.... yeah.... without the DLC you will be grinding for MANY hours to get that one trophy. let alone the personality/awakening that after doing the school and the memories grinds to a halt in terms of gaining points for em.
My biggest gripe is, tbh, the price: I wasn't going to mind if the dlc was, like, 10 euros MAX, since there are games with dlc that you spend double than that for just 1 skin. or 20-30 for a bunch of shitty quests and costumes nobody will care about. But locking a basic feature like ng+ and potentially grinding behind a 20 euro dlc is definitely a turn off. I might wait for a sale on the dlc and perhaps check it after I finish the game.
Steam needs to do a better job to separate DLC achievements from base game to avoid confusion. There's no separation and i can see why you thought that. That sucks.
A real shame as I'm big fan of the Yakuza games. I was holding off on buying the game anyway (post-Christmas backlog is huge and I feel into Monster Hunter again...) and had no intention of getting new game+. I'll wait until more reviews come out and see if the base game is worth it now.
Base game is 100% worth it, one of the best yakuza games. Just a pity that ng plus is paid dlc. But the base game is amazing
If you are a big fan of the yakuza games you should know the base game is worth it. You should also know yakuza games are usually poorly received by reviewers in the west and this one is actually one of the exceptions (90+ on MC)
Get the standard. Case closed.
the base game is worth
Out of Curiousity, does the new game plus carry over Kiryu's awakening stats?
Thanks for the video. Disgusting practices like this need more attention. Onward to 300k. All glory to the algorithm.
The achievement being tied to the base game just adds to the feeling that this dlc was tacked on
As a lover of the original series, I used to spend a lot of time trying to convince my friends and family to play the games. After this though I'm not buying another of their games or recommending them again.
Thank you for covering this. It's nice to know that a sponsored deal from them before doesn't silence you on these issues.
I was curious about this. This just feeds my choice to wait for it to go on super sale before I grab it. I want to see the Yakuza game series grow, but this is sad.
ooh that explains why more people have the "all achievements" achievement than certain singular achievements. i was going through them and wondering. LOL
I was really hoping for something better. Im glade to hear the base game is good.
I think the achievement encompassing only the main title makes sense--why assume dlcs have been purchased? The dlc's can get their own "got it all" achievement.
On the island part, the members of your party won't stay a guests unless your island is near max level. The main advantage of DLC is more resources. That part is a bit fair. You pay money to save time on grinding and its only an early game advantage. For the sujimon, yeah, the DLCs are busted and the base game only gives you 5 of the same rank.
a lot of these things dont really shock me seeing as Yakuza 7 was more or the less the same way
Quite the bummer. I'm new to the Yakuza games and based on this, my time with them will be brief. Passing on the game if it's got coercive DLC tied to it.
I've always hated that they lock the different outfits for until after completing the game.
The games are long and I don't want to play it twice necessarily, just let me have fun with the outfits I paid for.
Idk about the new Yakuza games, but in the older ones the side missions don't reset either, so there is not that much to do even.
I love the story and side missions in the yakuza series of games. I hate beat em up games though so I just play them on easy so as not to waste too much time on the endless fights. I can't see replaying one of these.
Same. I remember playing persona 5 royal it was amazing but strikers it was soo boring and story was also meh.
I go and replay Yakuza 0 every year or so, but yeah, these are kinda 1 and done sorta games.
Thanks for the info. I was already pissed off by the concept. Good to know that it's even worse than I imagined. Now just gotta figure out if I even want the basegame. Voting with walllet, etc.
The base game is the rare example of exceptional AAA gaming. It offers more value than most other titles out there, and very little of it is half assed. Thats what makes the conversation difficult. RGG studios very obviously cares for their player base in ways Activision/Ubisoft/etc do not.
Like a dragon was my first Yakuza game and it's what welcomed me to these wonderful games. The thing I was so surprised about and loved about it was how perfectly balanced and how great of a turn based RPG it was. I loved the end dungeon grind and the millennium towers. It was such a good RPG on top of a great Yakuza game. It's still my favorite out of the ones I've played. I was really hoping they didn't soften the difficulty to make it more accessible but I can see now that's exactly what they did. Even if you pay for difficulty you won't get it here and the balance is broken. I will still give it a try when the sale it right which will probably be incredibly fast because Sega games always do
It's a shame, this was a game I was really looking forward to until I heard about all this NG+ business. Thanks for the heads up; think I'll wait for a major sale or skip this one.
I can't believe they kept those abilities that way I was annoyed that the end of the last game was just cinematic moves over and over they should of changed that but oh well.
Oof. That bites, I really was just going to soldier through but hearing they didn't even have the effort, time, or maybe desire to even flesh out the draw of the NG+ really bites.
I was trying so hard to get the NG+ DLC last night but either my connection or the PSN network at the time was having issues and I was pissed. Thank god I got wind of this video on what it actually is so Sega can kiss my Arse.
Although I preordered the deluxe game days ago before the launch (I am a fanboy of the series), I also noticed some features have been locked behind the DLCs which is a questionable decision from the developer and publisher. I agree with you that the base game is a decent upgrade from 7, the dungeon part is a bit too boring even with the radio, and hope they add more impactful elements into the story in future games.
I have been basically foaming at the mouth to play this,I bought the ultimate edition and it's a damn shame that they decided to do this. They have a good track record before this, and probably still do ultimately but if I were SEGA I'd really pay attention to the ether around this situation. Thanks for the insight into this Mort, I hope you're enjoying it regardless.
It’s a shame because the base game is fantastic. Just finished it today.
Apreciate the honesty mate!
Weirdly enough it makes sense less as a dlc and more like a paid time saver.
Think about it. You skip an entire difficulty because of it and it helps make more money in the side quests thus saving time.
That’s so mobile gaming of them.
its almost like even trying Ng+ as a paywalled content was a bad idea in the first place...
Ng+ shouldve been just bringing over your max level data to the beginning with a much harder difficulty. it isn't complicated to realize this shouldn't be paywalled as a consumer it always have been part of the game
This would have been a day one purchase for me not for the demented DLC, now I will wait for a 35% to 50% deal IF I am feeling charitable...
Lately SEGA & Capcom are doing a destroy good will speedrun challenge lol