Correction: this video is based on a Bloomberg article NOT Forbes (ashamed) Link -> www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-21/sonos-plans-400-500-headphones-tv-set-top-box-video-roam-2-new-sound-bar?embedded-checkout=true
Yeah, the new Sonos app was rushed out so they didn't have to delay the release of the Ace - which it seems was also rushed out given it's got quite a few missing features that are "coming soon" via Firmware update. Maybe they just should have bit the bad news bullet and kept them both in the oven for a couple more months to finish baking - now they've ruined their reputation.
Sonos should update the software to use 2 sub mini instead of just 1 .... make sense for those who already have one but would prefer adding the sub mini instead of the big one.... Also make it possible to add 2 more speakers ( Era 100 or 300) has side speakers to complement the surround in the back for a more immersive sound.
I have wanted to get into the Sonos ecosystem for years, but there have always been a few drawbacks keeping me from the plunge. With the 300s and the Pinebox, the full atmos bubble I'm looking for seems to be at my fingertips. I wonder if it would be possible to add the in ceiling speakers for downward firing Atmos rather than relying on the bounce effect. I really do want a quality full Atmos experience from a wireless setup. However, full DTS support also needs to be included. I have too many Blu-ray and UMD movies to just set aside. Though, even I am starting to see the writing on the wall for physical media, I'm not willing to give it up yet.
Your idea with the multichannel era 300 speakers is exactly what they need to do. It will be very popular. I would add allowing the era 100 into the mix, especially for small spaces or as surrounds.
I bet you didnt predict Sonos new app would rip out local music library support and the latest update (7/22) that added it back utterly FAILS in local music library playback. SONOS has FAILED miserably in their new app.
@@neverenoughtech It's been 3 MONTHS without local music library now. I spent 3 hours on the phone with them and they couldn't get it to work. After 20 years and countless thousands of dollars and recommending SONOS to all my friends and family I am now actively looking for alternative music system.
My advice: don’t spend your money, buy nothing never ever! Because tomorrow there always will be something new! Do not enjoy life! Just don’t do that. Watch you tube vids so you will know what’s new tomorrow. Have a nice boring life. Bye bye
Providing one has done the sub crawl. Dual subs will help even out the bass. Basically better perception of Bass, no matter which seat one is sitting in. An avid music listener.
Sonos can get a lot more customers if they add more flexibility with their home theater options to mimic something close to the Nakamichi Dragon 11.4.6. Simple things like using the Era 30/Five/Era 100 as an extra soundbar center channel, adding any additional speakers as true L/R surrounds with the soundbar in actual side surround locations, Using 1-3 of the Era 300/100, Five, or One SLs as a soundbar in any combination with other speakers or alone, adding additional rear surround speakers you can angle up 45 degrees or mount ceiling height for rear Atmos effect, etc... All the pieces are there, just add the function into the app.
I would welcome and love to sell my Arc and buy 3 additional Era300’s for a obviously way better cinema set-up. My Era300’s with my Arc are really downgraded and meh for listening to music. The Era300’s perform so much better isa stereo pair without the Arc.
I would really like to see the new amp, and bigger sub. Not really a fan of the whole WiSA thing. It’s generally really complicated, can be unreliable at times, and you aren’t getting lossless. The signal is not the same as being hardwired.
I think the draw is “wireless” wide front soundstage (explosion of the soundbar) but with plug and play ease … Sonos connections tend to me more robust than the typical SB kit as well
In 2021, we went with a Bose 900 and 700 sub combo over the Arc and sub combo. We tested both at home and preferred the more airy/spacious sound profile and aesthetic. I knew Bose didn’t and still doesn’t have much of an ecosystem to offer, but we liked the soundbar enough to stick with it. I’m really interested in hearing Sonos’ new bar and learning about all the other new offerings. As much as we enjoy the Bose setup, we’re ready to setup a network of speakers within our home. Sonos may be exactly what we’re looking for.
@@Ranz90 For now I’ll stick w what I have. I’ve seen comments online about Sonos’ app changes causing problems. I don’t have any Sonos stuff atm, so I dunno the details of the app issues.
Trigger warning Having been in and around the A/V world for 25+years this is my opinion of Sonos. It is the modern equivalent of Bose in the 90's and early 2000's, over priced hype, decent marketing, and a sound that people, who have never heard anything better, might enjoy. The entire "lifestyle" marketing is extremely reminiscent of that era and Sonos' mediocre sound quality matches it.
Sonos strikes a balance … and its sound competition is other soundbars not traditional A/V. I agree there is better more transcendent audio out there to pursue but the combination of well better than average experiences (for segment) and unique network technologies … elevates the product far above gimmick or merely clever advertising
I can't remove one speaker set, upgrade pieces to newer versions, or use individual components alone around the house for the soundbar, dual sub, and 2 rear speakers on my Nakamichi 7.2.4 system. I needed to dump the entire system if I wanted to upgrade to the Nakamichi Dragon. I ended up going with the Sonos Arc, dual subs, and Fives instead because I can upgrade individual components, reuse around the house for whole house audio, and sell individual speakers at a good price. Sonos isn't perfect; but, it is perfect for me.
Trigger warning…love it very appropriate:) Any A/V product at the end of the day could be characterized as a lifestyle product if you think about it, the gear you own says a lot about your lifestyle doesn’t it? I don’t bang on Bose I owned a Bose system it was something I could afford at the time and it had high wife approval factor ,our 5.1 setup took our tv viewing to another level. You’d be hard pressed to find someone who didn’t own one or experienced it at least. Refrigerator sized JBL speakers from my college days weren’t gonna happen in our decor Bose lifestyle systems was the right product at the right time for us anyway.
People don't know what they're missing by not using an nvidia gpu and a pc to play content, instead of the crappy streaming boxes. If sonos improves the size of some components like they did with the surrounds, would be pretty awesome. But their prices... I still stuck with my SB46514-F6. Want something new, but nothing worth the change over 4 years later...
I liked s Samsung soundbar for the performance/price. But, at the end the day, the software of Samsung is just crazy. It keeps changing the setting!!!! Hence, I started migration to Sonos. More expensive, but much more stable.
Great. In the market for a new sound system for our large living space. Was about to buy the Arc/sub and then convinced myself to go Samsung 990C from a previous video. Cue the FOMO before the delivery arrives 😂!
Hello there, I am a marketing manager at Sikaic, an online furniture store. I've been impressed with the engaging content you create on your RUclips channel. I'd love to work with you on our gaming desk. Please let me know your thoughts so we can move forward to the next steps. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Sonos really needs a better performing center channel. The ARCs muddy attempt doesn’t cut it anymore with the 300s. Adding the surrounds and sub was supposed to add fidelity to centre as these resources were delegated away from the arc however I find myself sorely disappointed. Especially for $3700
so the new sub is going to be the same other than added compatibility with the new set top box? no way to make current subs work with the new set top box?
EXACTLY! Why can't Sonos add that feature to a 2nd pair of rear One SLs or Era 100 you can then angle up for rear Atmos. I have Fives as rear surrounds and it would be nice to add Era 100/One SLs next to them leaning back firing upwards.
I don’t know about adding a new sound bar. The soundbars have almost no stereo imaging. Just improving sound quality seems a bit boring. We are talking 50 % price bump from a discounted arc. I’m rather for having 4-5 eras synced up.
Please. Do not buy Sonos, until they go backwards and allow local control (without requiring cloud and therefore internet) to do basic things like pairing speakers!!
They will have even more bugs in the app now, more products = more problems They are moving away from sonosnet so they need to add better networking components 1200 is way overpriced with no dts hd support time to move to Samsung sigh
awesome, I just commented on another channel that I was expecting changes to the ARC as Bose has brought out the 900 Ultra which has made improvements to the stand alone bar I guess I'll be waiting a little bit longer
Definitely not trash - arguably overpriced - but so are a lot of high end ANC headsets (looking at you, Apple) - and if you have some Sonos stuff already, not only do they make some sense, but you can almost surely get 15% off via their "trade in" program, which brings them in nicely under the $400 mark. The main problem with them seems to be they rushed them to market before they were fully baked - along with the new Sonos app - which is, at this point, so terrible I'm considering selling all my Sonos kit and starting again. I'll give them a couple more months to fix it.
I was pretty interested in arc - what would your suggestion be for someone who isn’t yet in the ecosystem, but needs a solution now while waiting out this release?
If you have Apple TV you can connect a era 300 stereo pair via airplay and go with that until the SB comes out … seems like it may be worth waiting to buy a sub
You can also buy a refurbished Arc too. In my brief Sonos experience, firmware wise there has been a “Watch and Wait” time that usually lasts somewhere between 2-4 months. For instance, the Era 300’s had issues until a firmware update fixed the problems few months after release. That said, if I do decide to buy it, I’ll wait a months. Im the meantime, I’m really digging my current set up.
If cost is an issue it may be worth it to wait. They should put the Arc on sale prior to the release of the new soundbar. They discounted the Move 25% before they launched the Move 2 this year. I have the move and am not planning on paying the extra cost for the 2. May upgrade to the longer-life battery though. Glad they allow the ability to change the battery once it’s toast. Wish all manufacturers did the same.
I just better always to play my playbar. Sub, 6 sl 1 s two play ones two play 3 s mini sub and two symfonisk. They better not become obsolete. The era 300 are ugly by the way
I really enjoy all your videos for the reviews and experiences with each item. This was one of my favorite videos because I am thinking of investing in Sonos products. Thanks and keep all the excellent reviews coming.
@@neverenoughtech that is a convenient excuse. In the past that was an excuse many apps used. Now they all figure out how to do it, Sonos can too. If not they should supply a calibration mic to plug into their speakers.
Hello, getting an arc here shortly. Most of my movies run through my Xbox console. If the arc only has the one hdmi. Will it still play my Xbox movies with the best audio or even atmos? Or will I need some sort of other plug in? Or hdmi?
The Arc can play lossless audio from Dolby and LPCM sources … for DTS it’s limited to digital 5.1 which is lossy. It can play Atmos. For lossless data you will need a TV with eARC because the Arc does not have an HDMI input
@@Delray1134 Alternatively you can use a HDMI audio separator that supports eARC soundbars. I have an ARC and a Beam 2 - the Beam 2 supports Atmos and DTS 5.1, but it's connected to an older TV which only has ARC, not eARC - I bought a cheapish unit from Aliexpress that allows you to plug in multiple HDMI sources, and then spits the audio from the video to 2 HDMI outputs - so now I get proper surround on that TV. Works fine and the sounds is a lot better than just the 2.1 directly off the TV ARC port - only drawback is no CEC support - BUT the Sonos doesn't need to turn on as it's always in standby mode and starts when it gets an audio signal - and it has a IR sensor on it so I can still control the volume from my TV remote. So all in all a good solution and saved me replacing what is otherwise a really nice TV. There might be flasher separator units that do support CEC too - I did note when shopping for them that there is a huge spread of prices - but really I don't miss it at all.
I think Sonos is missing the boat if they don’t offer a better streamer offering that will allow true hi res streaming and decent linear power supply. Audiophiles do not consider a high end streaming amp if limited to redbook spec, crappy dac and no linear power supply. I understand the reasoning for the limited res to ensure all rooms/units sync but in my set up we have a Sonos port for my families casual listening and a Eversolo dmp a6 for my serious listening via Qobuz (yes there is a massive difference). I have both connected to the same Anthem amp and dac with the default being the Sonos but if I were the only user in my household I wouldn’t bother with the Sonos at all. At the end of the day they will likely sell a ton of the high end amp units to well heeled clients that don’t know any better.
Sonos is for family - my wife and kid have no issues with it and they are successful in accessing it. With the amp (for prof install) it will be interesting to see how far they go towards hifi - it might be a narrow category where they can do a bit more
@@neverenoughtech I think the high end streaming wishlist I have is likely to occur with Sonos being baked into a licensed product like Wrensilva console I 100% agree the family friendly ease of use aspect is its main selling point. Additionally what I’ve noticed is the offerings are leaning towards a home theater focus ( look at the comments). I’ve been a Sonos user for 16+ years migrating from Squeezebox which had superior fidelity but was a pain to use. Nothing comes close to Sonos when it comes to plug and play.
Of this, my interest is in the center channel IF it is a substantial improvement on the Arc AND allow integration of front facing Era 300s and better use of Era 300s as surrounds. Yes, I’m asking a lot, but so is Sonos with their pricing. Otherwise, ditching the sound bar Ang going with the new box and 5 Era 300s could be interesting (depending on the price). At this point, I do have to ask myself how much further I want to go down the Sonos rabbit hole.
That makes a bit more sense but it doesn’t explain why you would remove wireless network capability … and you are just switching out a wire - maybe I’ll get it by the end of the day
@@neverenoughtechWireless traffic in a commercial environment can play havoc on a Sonos system. There are wifi antennas, phones, POS machined everywhere working on various frequencies and the solution is to hardwire Sonos devices as much as possible. The other thing about installing multiple ERA 100's in a nice space is it has to be accommodated by power power outlets that make for an ugly installation when they can't be hidden
The fives play the role of the traditional high-fi speaker … it will be refreshed or replaced (don’t know when) but may not have the spatial chops of the 300 … my hot take
@@neverenoughtech My wish would be an Era 500, which has 360° and spatial sound! Looking like a child between Era 100 and the HomePod, just in XXL and without a display. Nobody needs a „traditional stereo Hi-Fi“ Speaker anymore…
It’s restrictive but at least there is an eco system where it’s fairly non existent in other bars … it does support airplay and BT and voice assistants which opens it up to a degree
So what’s my best option to get Dolby Atmos if I have a 2012 52 LG plasma TV with no ARC or EARC? Or do I have to definitely get a new television in order to get Dolby Atmos?
Correction: this video is based on a Bloomberg article NOT Forbes (ashamed) Link -> www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-21/sonos-plans-400-500-headphones-tv-set-top-box-video-roam-2-new-sound-bar?embedded-checkout=true
Sonos... fix the software before you launch new hardware.
Yeah, the new Sonos app was rushed out so they didn't have to delay the release of the Ace - which it seems was also rushed out given it's got quite a few missing features that are "coming soon" via Firmware update. Maybe they just should have bit the bad news bullet and kept them both in the oven for a couple more months to finish baking - now they've ruined their reputation.
Sonos should update the software to use 2 sub mini instead of just 1 .... make sense for those who already have one but would prefer adding the sub mini instead of the big one....
Also make it possible to add 2 more speakers ( Era 100 or 300) has side speakers to complement the surround in the back for a more immersive sound.
Wait, you can't use two sub minis in a x.x.2 setup? What's wrong with you, Sonos?
Don’t see why they don’t just make a system out of five 300 speakers.
Sonos is afraid of being weird (DIY ish) - maybe they are changing their tune
Yes! Some of us don't want a bleeping soundbar!
I have wanted to get into the Sonos ecosystem for years, but there have always been a few drawbacks keeping me from the plunge. With the 300s and the Pinebox, the full atmos bubble I'm looking for seems to be at my fingertips. I wonder if it would be possible to add the in ceiling speakers for downward firing Atmos rather than relying on the bounce effect. I really do want a quality full Atmos experience from a wireless setup.
However, full DTS support also needs to be included. I have too many Blu-ray and UMD movies to just set aside. Though, even I am starting to see the writing on the wall for physical media, I'm not willing to give it up yet.
Your idea with the multichannel era 300 speakers is exactly what they need to do. It will be very popular. I would add allowing the era 100 into the mix, especially for small spaces or as surrounds.
5 eras and 2 subs. You're crazy that'll knock down the wall. I love it
I’d love to see DTS-HD and DTS-X Codec as an update with the new soundbar.
Couldn’t they enable that on the arc though? It would be slimy to limit it to this arc 2, especially since it’s a licensing thing.
@@Darkk_Sage I agree it would be slimy to limit the update to the new arc and I hope they keep that in mind.
I bet you didnt predict Sonos new app would rip out local music library support and the latest update (7/22) that added it back utterly FAILS in local music library playback. SONOS has FAILED miserably in their new app.
Preaching to the choir - an avalanche of hubris, bad decisions, and sloppiness
@@neverenoughtech It's been 3 MONTHS without local music library now. I spent 3 hours on the phone with them and they couldn't get it to work. After 20 years and countless thousands of dollars and recommending SONOS to all my friends and family I am now actively looking for alternative music system.
No need for a bigger subwoofer... just enable 2 sub mini... that should do the trick...
My advice: don’t spend your money, buy nothing never ever! Because tomorrow there always will be something new!
Do not enjoy life! Just don’t do that. Watch you tube vids so you will know what’s new tomorrow. Have a nice boring life. Bye bye
You sound so happy and secure - I’m gonna follow your advice
I was hoping for more robust DTS support, cause right now I'm thinking of trading in my arc and one SLs for a Q990c.
that low drama wife joke killed me 😂😂😂
Providing one has done the sub crawl. Dual subs will help even out the bass. Basically better perception of Bass, no matter which seat one is sitting in.
An avid music listener.
I’m hoping Samsungs new flagship next year or in 2025 will have a 10” sub and improved rears.
Hope Lasso has more HDMI ports so my PC, PS, XBOX, Apple TV and everything can just connect to the soundbar
Just upgrade to a tv that has more than just arc for just the tv
The raven Era speaker could possibly be powered over ethernet, could make routing and placing speakers easier than having to route 2 cables.
Makes a bit more sense … thx!
Oh no, my future earnings…!
Yes they are in deep peril
Sonos can get a lot more customers if they add more flexibility with their home theater options to mimic something close to the Nakamichi Dragon 11.4.6. Simple things like using the Era 30/Five/Era 100 as an extra soundbar center channel, adding any additional speakers as true L/R surrounds with the soundbar in actual side surround locations, Using 1-3 of the Era 300/100, Five, or One SLs as a soundbar in any combination with other speakers or alone, adding additional rear surround speakers you can angle up 45 degrees or mount ceiling height for rear Atmos effect, etc... All the pieces are there, just add the function into the app.
We need a bigger Sonos Arc with HDMI in ports. Period and perfection 🎉
Does Sonos also make WIFI stuff, because it is always the WIFI's problem things don't work?
In addition to the expected ceiling speakers they should offer an in-wall version.
Would love DTS support. Maybe a soundbar with multiple hdmis
I would welcome and love to sell my Arc and buy 3 additional Era300’s for a obviously way better cinema set-up. My Era300’s with my Arc are really downgraded and meh for listening to music. The Era300’s perform so much better isa stereo pair without the Arc.
Should have bought the era 100s
I would really like to see the new amp, and bigger sub. Not really a fan of the whole WiSA thing. It’s generally really complicated, can be unreliable at times, and you aren’t getting lossless. The signal is not the same as being hardwired.
I think the draw is “wireless” wide front soundstage (explosion of the soundbar) but with plug and play ease … Sonos connections tend to me more robust than the typical SB kit as well
Thanks for the insight! Just got two 300s and decided to wait on the arc because of this video, what's your best guess on the lasso release date?
Second half
In 2021, we went with a Bose 900 and 700 sub combo over the Arc and sub combo. We tested both at home and preferred the more airy/spacious sound profile and aesthetic. I knew Bose didn’t and still doesn’t have much of an ecosystem to offer, but we liked the soundbar enough to stick with it. I’m really interested in hearing Sonos’ new bar and learning about all the other new offerings. As much as we enjoy the Bose setup, we’re ready to setup a network of speakers within our home. Sonos may be exactly what we’re looking for.
stick with bose until they figure out this app disaster
@@Ranz90 For now I’ll stick w what I have. I’ve seen comments online about Sonos’ app changes causing problems. I don’t have any Sonos stuff atm, so I dunno the details of the app issues.
You are too funny, liked the vid!!
Trigger warning
Having been in and around the A/V world for 25+years this is my opinion of Sonos. It is the modern equivalent of Bose in the 90's and early 2000's, over priced hype, decent marketing, and a sound that people, who have never heard anything better, might enjoy. The entire "lifestyle" marketing is extremely reminiscent of that era and Sonos' mediocre sound quality matches it.
Sonos strikes a balance … and its sound competition is other soundbars not traditional A/V. I agree there is better more transcendent audio out there to pursue but the combination of well better than average experiences (for segment) and unique network technologies … elevates the product far above gimmick or merely clever advertising
Strongly disagree . Sure Sonos has a sound but not many mass market products have frequency responses as flat as Sonos.
I can't remove one speaker set, upgrade pieces to newer versions, or use individual components alone around the house for the soundbar, dual sub, and 2 rear speakers on my Nakamichi 7.2.4 system. I needed to dump the entire system if I wanted to upgrade to the Nakamichi Dragon. I ended up going with the Sonos Arc, dual subs, and Fives instead because I can upgrade individual components, reuse around the house for whole house audio, and sell individual speakers at a good price. Sonos isn't perfect; but, it is perfect for me.
Trigger warning…love it very appropriate:)
Any A/V product at the end of the day could be characterized as a lifestyle product if you think about it, the gear you own says a lot about your lifestyle doesn’t it?
I don’t bang on Bose I owned a Bose system it was something I could afford at the time and it had high wife approval factor ,our 5.1 setup took our tv viewing to another level. You’d be hard pressed to find someone who didn’t own one or experienced it at least.
Refrigerator sized JBL speakers from my college days weren’t gonna happen in our decor Bose lifestyle systems was the right product at the right time for us anyway.
Man, sonos really shit the bed on this one.
People don't know what they're missing by not using an nvidia gpu and a pc to play content, instead of the crappy streaming boxes.
If sonos improves the size of some components like they did with the surrounds, would be pretty awesome. But their prices... I still stuck with my SB46514-F6. Want something new, but nothing worth the change over 4 years later...
I liked s Samsung soundbar for the performance/price. But, at the end the day, the software of Samsung is just crazy. It keeps changing the setting!!!! Hence, I started migration to Sonos. More expensive, but much more stable.
Great. In the market for a new sound system for our large living space. Was about to buy the Arc/sub and then convinced myself to go Samsung 990C from a previous video. Cue the FOMO before the delivery arrives 😂!
Capitalism is failing if you don’t constantly have FOMO
@@neverenoughtech I need to find you on Twitter. If you’re not on, you should be. The responses are top notch. 😂
Hello there, I am a marketing manager at Sikaic, an online furniture store. I've been impressed with the engaging content you create on your RUclips channel. I'd love to work with you on our gaming desk. Please let me know your thoughts so we can move forward to the next steps. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Sonos really needs a better performing center channel. The ARCs muddy attempt doesn’t cut it anymore with the 300s. Adding the surrounds and sub was supposed to add fidelity to centre as these resources were delegated away from the arc however I find myself sorely disappointed. Especially for $3700
I’m looking forward to not being able to use any of these new products with my 10-zone “legacy” system. 😢
so the new sub is going to be the same other than added compatibility with the new set top box? no way to make current subs work with the new set top box?
Allow DoVi and Atmos passthrough via Plex and the Shield will go the way of the Dodo.
I just want upfiring Rear speakers that don’t cost $1000 a pair .
EXACTLY! Why can't Sonos add that feature to a 2nd pair of rear One SLs or Era 100 you can then angle up for rear Atmos. I have Fives as rear surrounds and it would be nice to add Era 100/One SLs next to them leaning back firing upwards.
Well the fives are more expensive🤦♂️
Make it play nice with integration systems! It sure doesn’t now..
I don’t know about adding a new sound bar. The soundbars have almost no stereo imaging. Just improving sound quality seems a bit boring. We are talking 50 % price bump from a discounted arc. I’m rather for having 4-5 eras synced up.
I’m with you but plenty just want a beefy SB -
@@neverenoughtech amp + sub ;)
and I was considering buying soon....the audio gods laugh
I had a hunch you were about to buy something
I was also going to buy one this week. Lol
Please. Do not buy Sonos, until they go backwards and allow local control (without requiring cloud and therefore internet) to do basic things like pairing speakers!!
I don’t think Sonos endorses this message …
They will have even more bugs in the app now, more products = more problems
They are moving away from sonosnet so they need to add better networking components
1200 is way overpriced with no dts hd support time to move to Samsung sigh
Kind of a downer attitude
This is what i like abt Sonos, upgrading is soo easy!
awesome, I just commented on another channel that I was expecting changes to the ARC as Bose has brought out the 900 Ultra which has made improvements to the stand alone bar
I guess I'll be waiting a little bit longer
Hopefully the new soundbar has DTS support!
well guess what here they are. the sonos ace, they are fucking trash for 450$
Sonos really hurt you
Definitely not trash - arguably overpriced - but so are a lot of high end ANC headsets (looking at you, Apple) - and if you have some Sonos stuff already, not only do they make some sense, but you can almost surely get 15% off via their "trade in" program, which brings them in nicely under the $400 mark. The main problem with them seems to be they rushed them to market before they were fully baked - along with the new Sonos app - which is, at this point, so terrible I'm considering selling all my Sonos kit and starting again. I'll give them a couple more months to fix it.
How about their stock price. Can you analyze that and give us your 2024 prediction?
If I had those powers I would have a different profession
OMG you said ‘two point zero’ rather than two point Ohhh 🎉 YOURE THE BEST 👌🏻👍🏻
Specifically for the zero fans
Your humor is my kind for sure!!! Great reviews with a smile on my face=perfection
Appreciated!
So I shouldn’t use my 30% off for my Play 5 Gen 1 yet 🤔
Ya prices are ridiculous tbh.
I was expecting 50% price cuts.
In ThIs EConOmY?!?!
@@SniperPFL it was sarcasm
@@richhead1999 which you clearly missed in my response lol
What home theatre products would be ok to purchase today?
I was pretty interested in arc - what would your suggestion be for someone who isn’t yet in the ecosystem, but needs a solution now while waiting out this release?
If you have Apple TV you can connect a era 300 stereo pair via airplay and go with that until the SB comes out … seems like it may be worth waiting to buy a sub
You can also buy a refurbished Arc too. In my brief Sonos experience, firmware wise there has been a “Watch and Wait” time that usually lasts somewhere between 2-4 months. For instance, the Era 300’s had issues until a firmware update fixed the problems few months after release.
That said, if I do decide to buy it, I’ll wait a months. Im the meantime, I’m really digging my current set up.
@@504cool what’s your current setup? Where do you recommend a refurb? Seems sold out on their site
If cost is an issue it may be worth it to wait. They should put the Arc on sale prior to the release of the new soundbar. They discounted the Move 25% before they launched the Move 2 this year. I have the move and am not planning on paying the extra cost for the 2. May upgrade to the longer-life battery though. Glad they allow the ability to change the battery once it’s toast. Wish all manufacturers did the same.
Well, the new arc has to offer more than “audio improvements” to justify that price
Foot massager
The headphones seem that are delayed and unfortunately this will affect also the release of the streambox
Where’s your video. I want to watch it
Sonos is the worst money i spent!
You’ve made amazing spending choices then
Good stuff. I'm also looking forward to Sony's new 2024 line of products. I'm hoping they upgraded/updated(?) the HT-A9 system.
Have I missed rumors or announcements ? … they are pretty slow to update
I am thinking to get an ARC, is it sure there will be the ARC 2.0 in 2024 or is ti just a rumor?
Decent probability - not sure - I think it’s worth waiting to see if rumors firm up - if you can
I just better always to play my playbar. Sub, 6 sl 1 s two play ones two play 3 s mini sub and two symfonisk. They better not become obsolete. The era 300 are ugly by the way
The Era 300s are big boned and beautiful
Sounds more like someone coping because they cant afford it 😂
I really enjoy all your videos for the reviews and experiences with each item. This was one of my favorite videos because I am thinking of investing in Sonos products. Thanks and keep all the excellent reviews coming.
Appreciate the encouragement
Looking forward to Beta testing the Lasso sound bar.
I look forward to your video
Funny their set top box will be based on Android even though their room calibration only works through apple products.
The Android issue stems from too many phones and microphones to support … if there were fewer Android phones they would support it
@@neverenoughtech that is a convenient excuse. In the past that was an excuse many apps used. Now they all figure out how to do it, Sonos can too. If not they should supply a calibration mic to plug into their speakers.
Hello, getting an arc here shortly. Most of my movies run through my Xbox console. If the arc only has the one hdmi. Will it still play my Xbox movies with the best audio or even atmos? Or will I need some sort of other plug in? Or hdmi?
The Arc can play lossless audio from Dolby and LPCM sources … for DTS it’s limited to digital 5.1 which is lossy. It can play Atmos. For lossless data you will need a TV with eARC because the Arc does not have an HDMI input
@@neverenoughtech Thank you for your time!
@@Delray1134 Alternatively you can use a HDMI audio separator that supports eARC soundbars. I have an ARC and a Beam 2 - the Beam 2 supports Atmos and DTS 5.1, but it's connected to an older TV which only has ARC, not eARC - I bought a cheapish unit from Aliexpress that allows you to plug in multiple HDMI sources, and then spits the audio from the video to 2 HDMI outputs - so now I get proper surround on that TV. Works fine and the sounds is a lot better than just the 2.1 directly off the TV ARC port - only drawback is no CEC support - BUT the Sonos doesn't need to turn on as it's always in standby mode and starts when it gets an audio signal - and it has a IR sensor on it so I can still control the volume from my TV remote. So all in all a good solution and saved me replacing what is otherwise a really nice TV. There might be flasher separator units that do support CEC too - I did note when shopping for them that there is a huge spread of prices - but really I don't miss it at all.
6:33 "...my core viewers" 😂😉
Every wife must dream of being described as reliable and low drama.
There are worse speakers to be compared to
No word of a Next-Gen Sonos Five??? 😮💨
No - nor any other non soundbar speaker
No center channel slider no Sonos! Vocals are too low
No 🍜 for you
Basically you don’t know sfa
Maybe we are sf Sonos news … decent viewership on this
I think Sonos is missing the boat if they don’t offer a better streamer offering that will allow true hi res streaming and decent linear power supply.
Audiophiles do not consider a high end streaming amp if limited to redbook spec, crappy dac and no linear power supply.
I understand the reasoning for the limited res to ensure all rooms/units sync but in my set up we have a Sonos port for my families casual listening and a Eversolo dmp a6 for my serious listening via Qobuz (yes there is a massive difference).
I have both connected to the same Anthem amp and dac with the default being the Sonos but if I were the only user in my household I wouldn’t bother with the Sonos at all.
At the end of the day they will likely sell a ton of the high end amp units to well heeled clients that don’t know any better.
Sonos is for family - my wife and kid have no issues with it and they are successful in accessing it. With the amp (for prof install) it will be interesting to see how far they go towards hifi - it might be a narrow category where they can do a bit more
@@neverenoughtech I think the high end streaming wishlist I have is likely to occur with Sonos being baked into a licensed product like Wrensilva console
I 100% agree the family friendly ease of use aspect is its main selling point.
Additionally what I’ve noticed is the offerings are leaning towards a home theater focus ( look at the comments). I’ve been a Sonos user for 16+ years migrating from Squeezebox which had superior fidelity but was a pain to use. Nothing comes close to Sonos when it comes to plug and play.
Of this, my interest is in the center channel IF it is a substantial improvement on the Arc AND allow integration of front facing Era 300s and better use of Era 300s as surrounds. Yes, I’m asking a lot, but so is Sonos with their pricing. Otherwise, ditching the sound bar Ang going with the new box and 5 Era 300s could be interesting (depending on the price). At this point, I do have to ask myself how much further I want to go down the Sonos rabbit hole.
As much as I want the 5 eras … it’s far from a sure thing but there are some promising hints
@@neverenoughtech They need to do something meaningful for me to keep me going down this rabbit hole
Say no
The commercial Era100 type speaker is POE
That makes a bit more sense but it doesn’t explain why you would remove wireless network capability … and you are just switching out a wire - maybe I’ll get it by the end of the day
@@neverenoughtechWireless traffic in a commercial environment can play havoc on a Sonos system. There are wifi antennas, phones, POS machined everywhere working on various frequencies and the solution is to hardwire Sonos devices as much as possible. The other thing about installing multiple ERA 100's in a nice space is it has to be accommodated by power power outlets that make for an ugly installation when they can't be hidden
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Sonos era five will be great
500?
Are there any plans for a Era 500, replacing the Five?
The fives play the role of the traditional high-fi speaker … it will be refreshed or replaced (don’t know when) but may not have the spatial chops of the 300 … my hot take
@@neverenoughtech My wish would be an Era 500, which has 360° and spatial sound! Looking like a child between Era 100 and the HomePod, just in XXL and without a display.
Nobody needs a „traditional stereo Hi-Fi“ Speaker anymore…
It may seem simple, but I would like a remote control in the new soundbar.
I hate changing configs via app.
Don’t get your hopes up for a remote
I'm not a fan of Sonos restrictive ecosystem. I don't know why people celebrate their products so much.
It’s restrictive but at least there is an eco system where it’s fairly non existent in other bars … it does support airplay and BT and voice assistants which opens it up to a degree
Sonos lack of integration with Google makes it an irrelevant product...
Bro your jokes are so tasteless…cut down on the cheesiness.
What jokes? And I think Andrew Robinson has a monopoly on taste - if that’s what you’re seeking.
So what’s my best option to get Dolby Atmos if I have a 2012 52 LG plasma TV with no ARC or EARC? Or do I have to definitely get a new television in order to get Dolby Atmos?
The tv needs at least an arc port
thank you!@@neverenoughtech
There’s no way any headphones are going to be able to fit over those jug ears.
its close but they do ... thanks for noticing
Wait for Sonos „Lasso“ or go with the Nakamitchi? Best Greetings, keep it up 🫡
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