As an irish and munster fan i cant believe super rugby got rid of the SA teams. Aside from being serious teams they have amazing fans who live and breath rugby. They have helped make the URC one of the top club rugby competitions
give it time. they'll start demanding more and more teams and greater input into how the comp is run. they'll eventually ruin it for their own gain like they did SR
SA wanted to leave for years, stop talking rubbish. Then look at the ecosystem properly. Rugby is on a fast decline in NZ. Nobody cares about it any longer. Last RWC 12% of all the players were kiwis. 25% of head coaches would've been kiwis if Rennie hadn't got sacked. Now virtually every major team has a kiwi in the coaching staff, even SA have brought in Tony Brown who is doing great things with your attack. Take NZ out of world rugby and it is in serious trouble. The Pacific Islands will fold as their players learn to play in the NZ system. 23 of 33 in Samoa's RWC squad were kiwis. 15 of Tonga's squad were kiwis. South Africa has it's own political and economic problems that threaten its future. Take NZ out and SA loses it's greatest rival and it will decline to European levels, it will kill Pacific rugby, and most likely it will decline drastically in Australia. International rugby is at a major crossroads.
@user-yb9hi3us4p what is your point. I think u are more frustrated in your won kiwi downfall. It's not rubbish if NZ rugby did not take such a high handed attitude. SA would still be in Super Rugby even with difficulty.
Sleeping on the URC tv viewership is very high second highest overall. Attendance in south Africa, Ireland and Scotland is high. Stormers averaged almost 30 000 spectators.
We as South Africans were so badly treated, undermined, undervalued and under appreciated by Sanzar, they’ve themselves to blame. Who can forget John Kirwan rant, saying we must go. They’ve got what they wanted but lost what they had🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Don't think he meant it like that, if you go into the specifics then yes you can say they were pushed out but they had to make the call to leave, and a great call it was for them.
It was both tbh. South Africa always felt like they were carrying super rugby's TV deals, and had to share the profits with Australia and NZ. They were always flirting with the idea of joining europe for those sweet TV deals and NZ and Aus knew about it. The bullet was already inside the pistol, COVID was just the trigger
@@joaofigueiras1106South Africa was talking about it for years without active steps to make it happen. Just like politicians talk about building a speed railway or a new damn that never happens. South African rugby by nature is very conservative on the pitch and in the boardroom. Most pundits I still believe liked the idea of Super Rugby over European competitions, it just needs adjustment. So it was hard to change to a new format somewhere new. Isolating South African rugby during COVID was the action that turned the apparatus around and made it easy for South Africa to depart from their conservative nature to go and find new friends.
Totally correct. Were they pushed or did they jump, it’s immaterial. It was always going to be the best option for SA rugby to go north. Time zone wise it just makes sense. And, there is so much greater rugby diversity in the north.
Totally agree. Iron sharpens iron. As a South African we want the Ausies of Gregan, Larkham and Tune. The talent is there. It was painful to get knocked by the 2004 Ausie team but it was necessary.
Preach Quade,Preach.God i miss watching this oke play,miss the super rugby days,start watching rugby at 9 in the morning here in South Africa and then matches all day
I think the sad truth was that it just made sense for South Africa to play in Europe. The travel is less and the time zones are much better. When also considering the money in Europe South Africa should have jumped ship years earlier. New Zealand and Australia are victims of Geography unfortunately. Not sure how to get around that but it’s a difficult problem to solve.
The Nations Championship in Qatar was recently proposed then scrapped because IRB want exclusivity - locked in EU. So much for expanding the best interests of the game which southern hemisphere teams will have financially benefited from. A break away from IRB is needed with full support from southern hemisphere nations sharing the best interests of the game worldwide but it'll never happen. Qatar is the perfect location, climate, worlds best airport & stadium facilities.
@@Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 Qatar me hole. Don't need that dick money. Oz are struggling, but the game is in good health in terms of a spectacle. We've had some unbelievable games, series, results in the last 24 months and the top 10 is as competitive as it's ever been.. Sorting Oz's mess needs to be a priority though. The game is better with a stronger Ozzie team
@@murrad23'Sorting Oz's mess' - has been the talk now over x2 decades yet nothing's materialised to prevent young talent lured to rugby league. The Qatar Nations Championship was incentivised a $1bn deal over 8yrs
It was both, Saffa administrators were very well aware of the advantages of joining the european club system and they flirted a lot with that idea. Not that NZ and Aus weren't at fault of course
@@derricknanai62 You mean a comp where timezones don't have as big of an impact... Australia and NZ are so close, one nation had 2 away games and 1 at home and the others had 2 home games and 1 away. Jet lag is a thing
@kiefinity162 Didn't hear no NZ teams crying about timezones and jet lag when they lost. Funny how only the Saffas are the ones doing it, serious coping on display 😂
I thought of that as well while watching this. I think it was Frans Steyn who requested this a few weeks ago in an article I read. I think this would benefit everyone involved in terms of keeping the big nations competitive at international level. But can it be done? Like in SA's case, what would the contract talks be like being that they will have teams represented in both hemisphere's? Is it possible? And would it affect our Currie Cup?
Reads odly familiar😂😂😂I said the same thing in a couple of programs this morning. Invite the pumas cheetahs griquas you can even look at currie cup teams from franchises like the sharks storms bulls and lions that is not part of the urc to give the players game time and in the proses everyone gain not just in revenue but also development and competition
@@Catalyst2376 yes becasue the greedy administrators and top 30 players wants all the cash for themselves and the price will be paid by al the other player
@@nicholaswoolley7479 The money is there, the problem will be to convince SARU that is the best use for the money and then to get SANZAAR onboard as well
I still can't believe that NZ screwed over SA and pushed them into the arms of the URC, even as a layman it was obvious what that was going to do to NZ and Aus rugby.
It was all about ego,like SA need them,they don't need SA,NW they have problems. New Zealand game yesterday had 25k in attendance and aus vs SA +-50%was south African supporters in attendance
No SA dont need NZ we are all good thanks. They shot themselves in the foot and they lost to Argentina. SH rugby is picking up because of SA@@dylanrezant3014
Rugby Union is currently 9th Biggest sport in the world! If World Rugby stopped trying grow game in Aus and focused on Europe and South America, Rugby Union would quickly become 3rd biggest sport globally!
Brilliant interview, spot on when Quade remarked on impact of removing one animal from the ecosystem, in my view this applies to not only Aus/NZ but rugby overall.First step in my opinion is overhaul World Rugby ito of its composition and strategy , it’s biased and short sighted and could lead to the demise of traditional rugby( not disputing rugby needs to relevant,innovative and appeal to supporters), 2) support ideas of including tier 2 SA teams into super rugby to reignite competition as we have an abundance of players not playing international , WR to consider retention of retired players and how they could feed into mentorship’s, coaching and growing brand ambassadors to promote rugby to new generations/ markets , just my two cents thanks for a brilliant interview.
TRUTH The real problem with New Zealand and Australia rugby is they dont get exposure to enough variety in different playing styles anymore. Nz players are the best in the world in their styles of play... the problem is nobody els in the world plays like that... the impact of leaving old fashion super rugby it only being felt now. Because most of their young players have never experienced the same tipe of pressure as the older guys
Quade isn't wrong though and spitting facts, would love to see Super have a comp with JRLO for money and new markets since Japan has been wanting to join TRC as the main goal.
In Europe, (USA and Canada are not yet ready for this level) the equivalent to the Super 12 is the Chamion's cup, where the best English, French, Irish, Scottish, South African and Welsh clubs and franchises compete.
No. That is absolute rubbish. It starts at grassroots level and having a strong pathways to the top level. This means having the ability to also retain talent, holding off the NRL from poaching readymade players. The NRL and AFL both have amazing junior pathways and crushing Rugby Union. The end of Union in Australia has been happening for 20 years.
Mate the decline started well well well before then. The sport was struggling since the late 00s and the wallabies have been majorly struggling since 2016 - when Folau was in his prime the wallabies had already started losing fairly consistently to the likes of Argentina and Scotland. Don’t get me wrong, great player but his whole fiasco was completely insignificant compared to the combined combination of 20 years of decline from far more important things like grassroots, the switch to Foxtel, losing players to NRL/AFL/overseas, etc
Guys , ! - step 1) Contact on Monday SA Rugby and ask them to allow the Pumas , Cheetahs , Griffons , Qriquas to tour & play in Super Rugby and get Argentine side back in. This , if you understand , is not humble pie , its a lifeline to your game. You wont get the current Boks but you'll get the future Argies and Bok's potentials which will test you proper. 2) Scrum are so important , just to assert dominance early like the ABs missed Vs Arg. 3) As Saffas we love our All Blacks rivals and Aussies but its sad whats happening over there , change course now, its in your hands.
no idea what you're talking about, have you? The 5 NZ teams are still going. Australia got an inferiority complex and wanted 2 more and completely wrecked what was a great league (SA didn't help). Super 12 was when it was the best and should've just stayed there, but the ARU got all antsy about competing with NRL and AFL, and everybody lost out.
True...they thought they do not need South Africa but I see now they crying babies...they short themselves on the foot...I still miss those days of super rugby man...those were the moments for rugby
@@allananderson949 no, the ARU pushed for that so the structure meant at least one Aussie team made the playoffs every year. I get it to a certain degree as Aussie team were mud and none in the playoffs means less exposure and losing more ground to NRL and AFL, but they should never have pushed for 5 teams. 3 was good and at least 2 were always competitive in a given year, going to 5 diluted the talent so much and they went for several years of not even beating an NZ team, which I believe flowed through to the Wallabies and knocked their confidence which is why they've not seen the Bledisloe Cup for so long. RA as they are now, needs to forget about NRL and AFL. Accept they're a minority sport but they do have a solid core in NSW, ACT and even Qld. Just go back to basics and build on that and they'll get far better results. 2003 they should've been flying after the RWC, but wasted all that money on instant success buying league has-beens. They have another chance now with a Lions tour and RWC 27 to fill the coffers. Spend wisely this time and invest in the grassroots to reap sustainable rewards in 10-20 years
I think there is enough development in South Africa to make 3 more strong Franchises. Lots of African players with talent looking for teams to play for.
Guys youre not going to like this but the fall of Rugby Australia was how they treated Folau. Also sanzaar seriously underestimated the springboks ans saffa rugby.
SA got the best deal. Our Rand could never compete with the Euro/Pound and more and more top players were going that way before we left Super Rugby. We tried to impose a cap but it didn’t work. Now, we (SA) are getting the best of all worlds. We are playing top clubs in Europe with competitive local teams. And so many of our top players are playing for European teams as well. European teams are also benefitting because they are playing in SA a lot. For example, the Irish were not overwhelmed when they played in SA in July. SA has benefited immensely with the IP players have picked up in Europe. Cheslin Kolbe became a Bok due to his form in France. Andre Esterhuizen got back in the mix due his form at Harlequins. Jasper Wiese became a Bok due to his form ar Leicester. And so on and so on. We are competing against the best in Europe and we still play Rugby Championship. Aus and NZ are struggling without SA in the comp. And why on earth don’t they just allow their top players to go overseas? Look at your top footballers. They play all over the world.
Agree with Quade and most other assessments. I’m an England fan so mainly watch the Prem (Quins supporter), but will watch the URC, bits of the Top 14 and obviously the challenge and champions cup. SA joining has done them huge service, and has done huge damage to Aus and NZ. The Pumas obviously have a lot of their players in Europe too. It does no good, at all, for the NZ super rugby sides to absolutely trounce the soft Aussie sides week on week. The NZ pack looked meek and underpowered vs Pumas. Super Rugby is now a Mickey Mouse league and it’s showing. I want Australia to be strong. I grew up watching them in the late nineties winning everything, and they have the Lions next year - the game deserves and needs them to be back even halfway to what they can and should be.
Never write Australia off. These guys have kicked our backsides big time in the past. I still think we are the best in the world at the moment. But I am scared of the All Blacks and will never write the Wallabies off. I hear you guys thinking about might be wrong, but I think it is a matter of time.
@G12236 It will be fantastic if we can give them a hiding. I doesn't happen often. Maybe SA not playing super rugby anymore had a negative effect on these two countries, but I have a lot of respect for both and seen them come back with a bang.
It’s different now than before for us. The Wallabies had ups and downs, but they were always a chance because of the talent that was there. It’s not there anymore and I can’t see it ever coming back. We won’t win a game this year in Rugby Championship. These guys talking about the death knell being the British and Irish lions, which we will get absolutely flogged in, but I think the death knell will be Argentina coming to Aus and beating us soundly.
With the Lions tour coming up next year in AUS, what about creating a BIL equivalent in the southern hemisphere? SA, NZ, Australia and maybe Argentina? Southern hemisphere vs northern hemisphere? If anything just to create some hype and do something different? Feels like the lions tour in Australia doesn’t have a lot of buzz around it? Granted it’s still a ways away yet. Just a thought, love the channel!
A lot of valid points made, but there’s only one northern hemisphere team that has won a rugby World Cup so far. I don’t think anything will diminish New Zealand or South Africa as a superpower. Australia, however they have a lot more competition for talent because of the three football codes. Four if you include soccer.
Yes and a lot more competition for attention. I don't think the Wallabies get as much attention in Australia as the All Blacks, Springboks, England etc get in their own countries.
SA teams didnt mind moving to URC. The time zones are friendlier and we were always getting shafted in Super Rugby. Our SA Teams had 6 or 7 weeks on the road and the NZ/AUS teams came here for 3 games. We were at a disadvantage from the get go. Hence only the Bulls showing some dominance at one stage.
I 💯 agree with Quad. This will be the downfall of two countries that have won 5 world cups. SA will be exposed every year to these teams and will laugh at the status of the rugby. Both Argentina and Boks don’t need ABs and Aus rugby style, they’ve played against it for decades… they will learn more from the north. Next couple of years will be interesting (FYI ABs fan).
My big peeve with rugby is that for the world cup they put powerhouses against minnows. The WC should have two leagues the powerhouses against each other and then the lowers against each other. I like to watch Georgia vs Fiji, but not one of these against a tier A - it does in my mind massive damage to growing the game. The winner of a tier 2 group should be promoted to tier 1 for the next WC and the worst team demoted to group 2. It is a win-win because we get to see more Tier 1 clashes, and then for 2-tier, we get to see more competitive games. Ice hockey does this. PS Cooper was an amazing player!
Because Australia have set the benchmark in the sport for the last 40 years....countries are proud of their teams when they are the best in the world ... not exactly rocket science.
because australians got tired of 1m barge over tries, endless "2nd bite of the apple" penalty advantage penalites and softer than mc donalds soft serve yellow cards.
Well NZ and Aus all thought that the super rugby comp was fair to themselves? even though it was always backed financially by supersport? but the SA teams were always at a massive disadvantage with the travel? and yet it was ignored by SARU and the ARU and NZRU? wakey wakey!!! 2 world cups later and now you get it? wtf? couch rugby pundits galore who know it all? think before you comment?"
Dude covid hit and a short term fix had to be made. You lot stopped playing for a whole year. It's a shame all around, but it has worked out for the boks.
I do think SA need to be back in the mould of Super Rugby but in the champions league format. Have Top South Africa/ NZ/Pacific/Aus sides play each other and the bottom half to play each other. Maybe even three divisions. Like a Champions/Europa/Conference competition. It will be great for teams to all work towards something. Also suprised that super Rugby dont have minor premiership winners aswell which is odd.
Don't underestimate the influence of Joe Schmidt and David Nucifora. It won't happen overnight it will take a few years, but these guys are serious operators. They were responsible for bringing Ireland to the level they are now.
@@DEvilParsnip Fair enough but, they've had a lot of world class players for many, many years now, so they must be coming from somewhere. I'd say JS knows the Lions tour is probably a lost cause at this point and is really focused on the WC
Richie Mac Caw saw the best game tought he played was 2009 face South Africa, you retir Sa in any league you collapse, you Add SA in any league you florisse, get back sa in super rugby please from 🇫🇷
Rugby is definitely dead in Australia, I can't see a future where it returns to its former glory. As someone who grew up in Canberra watching the Larkham/Gregan led Brumbies and Wallabies regularly win titles its a real shame. Ive completely focussed on NRL right now, it always was my preferred sport but I don't even keep track of the Wallabies scores anymore.
Looking in from the outside its sad to see the level of Australian rugby right now. It just looks like no one is in charge and thise claiming to be seem to have no plan. Just before the South African teams left Super Rugby, the Australians were looking good with talent coming through the line but for a long time now we've hardly heard of any exciting young players coming out of Australia because we still get super rugby in SA. Watching it you can see its a one nation comp currently and its not benefiting any of the nations involved in SR, a lot needs to be done.
I reckon it depends on what animal your taking out of the ecosystem ,,no disrespect to mighty Springboks but aus and nz are different beasts of its own that can adapt to sudden change but I think they would need to convince themselves that they are a different breed and are strong enough to survive ,judging by latest efforts no belief
When South Africa went into sporting isolation due to apartheid politics, their domestic league (Currie Cup) kept the rugby tradition alive and thriving. Australia would need to try something similar but Aussie Rules has filled that spot already 🤷♂️
Swings and roundabouts, rise and fall of teams is inevitable, winners should never become too arrogant and losers should never give up. Many years ago, SA was on the ropes, hence exited from the party. Now it's the turn of Oz, nothing lasts forever, it will be good for them again.
You need to remember that politics killed the domestic game in SA. The SA teams need to figure out how to fix our domestic game..... then we can look at going back to super rugby. As a country we have moved beyond the politics... but the politics need to be taken completely out of it... So that provincial rugby is 100% merit based.... there are enough players of colour and the system has loads of momentum for players of colour especially in the school system. If the negativity of the politics is away.... you might have a shot at really growing the domestic game.
@peterwomersley yes... agreed But rugby is dieing locally Just look at our big stadiums all around the country. They were built because there was a need for them. Now we can't seem to sell out a URC game.
Rugby is in a great place. The antipodeans are struggling a bit. Japanese League is thriving, Europe takes care of itself and the USA is showing endeavor amd ambition. Super is struggling a tad bit because Aussies are rubbish.
Rugby needs a strong Australia, 2 times world cup winners. I hope Joe can work his magic, but he can't do it alone and ARU need to get their act together. It's shameful how under their watch (ARU) they have let a great rugby nation get to the state it is now.
Super Rugby pushed South Africa out because they weren't trying to accommodate the way South Africa was playing and they're all the worse for it. Kiwi and Aussie pundits were crying that SA was killing rugby, yet in removing SA from the equation, killed the sport in their respective countries. It was sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy, just didn't play out the way they expected lol
These pundits always overstate the problems in England. Yes, the Premiership clubs overspent and the consequence was 3 of them going bust. There are still 10 professional teams in the English Premiership and most of them are doing pretty well. They're popular. The English Premiership isn't facing an existential threat.
@@icefarrow7959 The answer is in your own phrase... How does a two-week "quarantine" turn into 4 years? Yet, if you're bad at simple math, I'm sure reasoning is quite more difficult for you.
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What Australia has done to Quade is a shame. Once in a generation player. Insightful. Respect from a Bok fan.
Yep. Legend
As an irish and munster fan i cant believe super rugby got rid of the SA teams. Aside from being serious teams they have amazing fans who live and breath rugby. They have helped make the URC one of the top club rugby competitions
give it time. they'll start demanding more and more teams and greater input into how the comp is run. they'll eventually ruin it for their own gain like they did SR
URC is the best club rugby compilation now.
It’s good now, so was super rugby when it started. 10 years on it won’t be what it is now I’d wager
@@user-yb9hi3us4p the Welsh will leave URC eventually, and it will benefit URC to add another South African team. Cheetahs would be fine in URC.
NZ rugby made that decision, even though SA rugby were moving towards Europe already. Australia at that time were following NZ lead.
SA didn't leave, we were ousted. And but as Cooper said, you take an animal out of an ecosystem, the ecosystem collapses
SA wanted out well before they eventually left. Covid restrictions in NZ and Australia gave SA the opportunity they needed to leave.
Good decsion by SA.
@@Catalyst2376 Honestly it's crazy how Super Rugby even existed. The difference in timezones is insane
SA wanted to leave for years, stop talking rubbish.
Then look at the ecosystem properly. Rugby is on a fast decline in NZ. Nobody cares about it any longer.
Last RWC 12% of all the players were kiwis. 25% of head coaches would've been kiwis if Rennie hadn't got sacked.
Now virtually every major team has a kiwi in the coaching staff, even SA have brought in Tony Brown who is doing great things with your attack.
Take NZ out of world rugby and it is in serious trouble. The Pacific Islands will fold as their players learn to play in the NZ system. 23 of 33 in Samoa's RWC squad were kiwis. 15 of Tonga's squad were kiwis.
South Africa has it's own political and economic problems that threaten its future. Take NZ out and SA loses it's greatest rival and it will decline to European levels, it will kill Pacific rugby, and most likely it will decline drastically in Australia.
International rugby is at a major crossroads.
@user-yb9hi3us4p what is your point. I think u are more frustrated in your won kiwi downfall. It's not rubbish if NZ rugby did not take such a high handed attitude. SA would still be in Super Rugby even with difficulty.
Sleeping on the URC tv viewership is very high second highest overall.
Attendance in south Africa, Ireland and Scotland is high.
Stormers averaged almost 30 000 spectators.
We as South Africans were so badly treated, undermined, undervalued and under appreciated by Sanzar, they’ve themselves to blame. Who can forget John Kirwan rant, saying we must go.
They’ve got what they wanted but lost what they had🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
no u werent stop lying or u will have to ask god for his forgiveness for your lyings
@@mastermao007stop posting stupid comments
@@mastermao007 You have to ask God to help improve your grammar!
South Africa did not jump out of super rugby, South Africa was pushed out of super rugby
Don't think he meant it like that, if you go into the specifics then yes you can say they were pushed out but they had to make the call to leave, and a great call it was for them.
Exactly, and you're being very generous using the word 'pushed' there.
It was both tbh. South Africa always felt like they were carrying super rugby's TV deals, and had to share the profits with Australia and NZ. They were always flirting with the idea of joining europe for those sweet TV deals and NZ and Aus knew about it. The bullet was already inside the pistol, COVID was just the trigger
@@joaofigueiras1106 yes they were greedy guys and abandoned nz and aus. bok now stand for cash that all they care about now
@@joaofigueiras1106South Africa was talking about it for years without active steps to make it happen. Just like politicians talk about building a speed railway or a new damn that never happens.
South African rugby by nature is very conservative on the pitch and in the boardroom. Most pundits I still believe liked the idea of Super Rugby over European competitions, it just needs adjustment. So it was hard to change to a new format somewhere new.
Isolating South African rugby during COVID was the action that turned the apparatus around and made it easy for South Africa to depart from their conservative nature to go and find new friends.
South Africa has now the best of both worlds at the cost of the Kiwis and Aussies.
Totally correct. Were they pushed or did they jump, it’s immaterial. It was always going to be the best option for SA rugby to go north. Time zone wise it just makes sense. And, there is so much greater rugby diversity in the north.
Totally agree. Iron sharpens iron. As a South African we want the Ausies of Gregan, Larkham and Tune. The talent is there. It was painful to get knocked by the 2004 Ausie team but it was necessary.
Preach Quade,Preach.God i miss watching this oke play,miss the super rugby days,start watching rugby at 9 in the morning here in South Africa and then matches all day
I think the sad truth was that it just made sense for South Africa to play in Europe. The travel is less and the time zones are much better. When also considering the money in Europe South Africa should have jumped ship years earlier. New Zealand and Australia are victims of Geography unfortunately. Not sure how to get around that but it’s a difficult problem to solve.
Quade talking facts, and given how the start of the champion has began says it all.
The Nations Championship in Qatar was recently proposed then scrapped because IRB want exclusivity - locked in EU. So much for expanding the best interests of the game which southern hemisphere teams will have financially benefited from. A break away from IRB is needed with full support from southern hemisphere nations sharing the best interests of the game worldwide but it'll never happen.
Qatar is the perfect location, climate, worlds best airport & stadium facilities.
@@Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 Qatar me hole. Don't need that dick money.
Oz are struggling, but the game is in good health in terms of a spectacle. We've had some unbelievable games, series, results in the last 24 months and the top 10 is as competitive as it's ever been..
Sorting Oz's mess needs to be a priority though. The game is better with a stronger Ozzie team
@@murrad23'Sorting Oz's mess' - has been the talk now over x2 decades yet nothing's materialised to prevent young talent lured to rugby league. The Qatar Nations Championship was incentivised a $1bn deal over 8yrs
@@Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 Nobody wants to play rugby in Qatar mate.
South Africa was pushed out of Super Rugby, we didn't jump.
thank you sir, i was about to say the same thing.
It was both, Saffa administrators were very well aware of the advantages of joining the european club system and they flirted a lot with that idea. Not that NZ and Aus weren't at fault of course
Jumped to a easier comp
@@derricknanai62 You mean a comp where timezones don't have as big of an impact... Australia and NZ are so close, one nation had 2 away games and 1 at home and the others had 2 home games and 1 away. Jet lag is a thing
@kiefinity162 Didn't hear no NZ teams crying about timezones and jet lag when they lost. Funny how only the Saffas are the ones doing it, serious coping on display 😂
Really interesting interview, thanks. Quade gives great perspectives, the boy from Tokoroa (?) is a smart cookie.
Why not invite the other South African teams not playing in the URC? Like the Cheetahs Pumas and Qriquas that would be amazing
I thought of that as well while watching this. I think it was Frans Steyn who requested this a few weeks ago in an article I read. I think this would benefit everyone involved in terms of keeping the big nations competitive at international level. But can it be done? Like in SA's case, what would the contract talks be like being that they will have teams represented in both hemisphere's? Is it possible? And would it affect our Currie Cup?
Reads odly familiar😂😂😂I said the same thing in a couple of programs this morning. Invite the pumas cheetahs griquas you can even look at currie cup teams from franchises like the sharks storms bulls and lions that is not part of the urc to give the players game time and in the proses everyone gain not just in revenue but also development and competition
@@Catalyst2376 yes becasue the greedy administrators and top 30 players wants all the cash for themselves and the price will be paid by al the other player
Can they afford the travel cost?
@@nicholaswoolley7479 The money is there, the problem will be to convince SARU that is the best use for the money and then to get SANZAAR onboard as well
New Zealand Rugby is slowly isolating its self from the international rugby world
I still can't believe that NZ screwed over SA and pushed them into the arms of the URC, even as a layman it was obvious what that was going to do to NZ and Aus rugby.
That tells you a lot about thepeople who run NZ rugby but they did us a favour actually.
It was all about ego,like SA need them,they don't need SA,NW they have problems.
New Zealand game yesterday had 25k in attendance and aus vs SA +-50%was south African supporters in attendance
They going to end up with financial problems as a plus because of ego
@@Ballas56 now... They not like us...
No SA dont need NZ we are all good thanks. They shot themselves in the foot and they lost to Argentina. SH rugby is picking up because of SA@@dylanrezant3014
Rugby Union is currently 9th Biggest sport in the world! If World Rugby stopped trying grow game in Aus and focused on Europe and South America, Rugby Union would quickly become 3rd biggest sport globally!
URC, Top14 and Premiership are the top comps in the world with little difference in quality.
Brilliant interview, spot on when Quade remarked on impact of removing one animal from the ecosystem, in my view this applies to not only Aus/NZ but rugby overall.First step in my opinion is overhaul World Rugby ito of its composition and strategy , it’s biased and short sighted and could lead to the demise of traditional rugby( not disputing rugby needs to relevant,innovative and appeal to supporters), 2) support ideas of including tier 2 SA teams into super rugby to reignite competition as we have an abundance of players not playing international , WR to consider retention of retired players and how they could feed into mentorship’s, coaching and growing brand ambassadors to promote rugby to new generations/ markets , just my two cents thanks for a brilliant interview.
It's all about IP. Rassie was so far ahead of everyone thinking about that and exposing his top players, and reaping the rewards now
TRUTH The real problem with New Zealand and Australia rugby is they dont get exposure to enough variety in different playing styles anymore. Nz players are the best in the world in their styles of play... the problem is nobody els in the world plays like that... the impact of leaving old fashion super rugby it only being felt now. Because most of their young players have never experienced the same tipe of pressure as the older guys
A physical game neutralises NZ
Quade isn't wrong though and spitting facts, would love to see Super have a comp with JRLO for money and new markets since Japan has been wanting to join TRC as the main goal.
In Europe, (USA and Canada are not yet ready for this level) the equivalent to the Super 12 is the Chamion's cup, where the best English, French, Irish, Scottish, South African and Welsh clubs and franchises compete.
It’s the Australian administrators - the decline started with the unnecessary rejection of Israel Folau. Players have to play for a cause.
No. That is absolute rubbish. It starts at grassroots level and having a strong pathways to the top level. This means having the ability to also retain talent, holding off the NRL from poaching readymade players.
The NRL and AFL both have amazing junior pathways and crushing Rugby Union. The end of Union in Australia has been happening for 20 years.
It 💯 did not start with Folau fiasco
@jamescaldwell7396 There's multiple reasons. Grassroots investment and the Folau saga are two of them.
AUS Rugby thought they clever kicking Folau out….well go woke go broke!!
Mate the decline started well well well before then. The sport was struggling since the late 00s and the wallabies have been majorly struggling since 2016 - when Folau was in his prime the wallabies had already started losing fairly consistently to the likes of Argentina and Scotland. Don’t get me wrong, great player but his whole fiasco was completely insignificant compared to the combined combination of 20 years of decline from far more important things like grassroots, the switch to Foxtel, losing players to NRL/AFL/overseas, etc
Next years British&Irish Lions Tour might be the last one to Australia...
Rugby needs strong competition. The more competitive more teams are the better for all! South Africa was forced out of Super Rugby! 😳
Guys , ! - step 1) Contact on Monday SA Rugby and ask them to allow the Pumas , Cheetahs , Griffons , Qriquas to tour & play in Super Rugby and get Argentine side back in. This , if you understand , is not humble pie , its a lifeline to your game. You wont get the current Boks but you'll get the future Argies and Bok's potentials which will test you proper. 2) Scrum are so important , just to assert dominance early like the ABs missed Vs Arg. 3) As Saffas we love our All Blacks rivals and Aussies but its sad whats happening over there , change course now, its in your hands.
Agree and appoint new administrators on the ARB and NZRB, preferable retired rugby guys that have played in Europe /SA
The Kiwi’s greed & arrogance killed Super Rigby.
Thank NZ management
no idea what you're talking about, have you?
The 5 NZ teams are still going. Australia got an inferiority complex and wanted 2 more and completely wrecked what was a great league (SA didn't help).
Super 12 was when it was the best and should've just stayed there, but the ARU got all antsy about competing with NRL and AFL, and everybody lost out.
I stopped watching when there were so many teams and it was broken up into conferences. Not sure if nz pushed for that
True...they thought they do not need South Africa but I see now they crying babies...they short themselves on the foot...I still miss those days of super rugby man...those were the moments for rugby
@@allananderson949 no, the ARU pushed for that so the structure meant at least one Aussie team made the playoffs every year.
I get it to a certain degree as Aussie team were mud and none in the playoffs means less exposure and losing more ground to NRL and AFL, but they should never have pushed for 5 teams. 3 was good and at least 2 were always competitive in a given year, going to 5 diluted the talent so much and they went for several years of not even beating an NZ team, which I believe flowed through to the Wallabies and knocked their confidence which is why they've not seen the Bledisloe Cup for so long.
RA as they are now, needs to forget about NRL and AFL. Accept they're a minority sport but they do have a solid core in NSW, ACT and even Qld. Just go back to basics and build on that and they'll get far better results.
2003 they should've been flying after the RWC, but wasted all that money on instant success buying league has-beens. They have another chance now with a Lions tour and RWC 27 to fill the coffers. Spend wisely this time and invest in the grassroots to reap sustainable rewards in 10-20 years
Lovely interview. Great views from this guy.
very interesting perspective! well spoken Quade
Calm and objective. Refreshing
World rugby needs a competitive Wallaby team.
Always enjoyed watching Quade. He had the X factor and was incredibly talented ❤
Great insights and a great way of looking at the game, makes just a whole lot of sense
Brilliant inside. Awesome
I think there is enough development in South Africa to make 3 more strong Franchises. Lots of African players with talent looking for teams to play for.
Guys youre not going to like this but the fall of Rugby Australia was how they treated Folau. Also sanzaar seriously underestimated the springboks ans saffa rugby.
If you know, you know.
Lgtbq woke agenda's has destroyed many sports... attacking Christianity
Hilarious
Get help
SA got the best deal. Our Rand could never compete with the Euro/Pound and more and more top players were going that way before we left Super Rugby. We tried to impose a cap but it didn’t work.
Now, we (SA) are getting the best of all worlds. We are playing top clubs in Europe with competitive local teams. And so many of our top players are playing for European teams as well. European teams are also benefitting because they are playing in SA a lot. For example, the Irish were not overwhelmed when they played in SA in July.
SA has benefited immensely with the IP players have picked up in Europe. Cheslin Kolbe became a Bok due to his form in France. Andre Esterhuizen got back in the mix due his form at Harlequins. Jasper Wiese became a Bok due to his form ar Leicester. And so on and so on.
We are competing against the best in Europe and we still play Rugby Championship. Aus and NZ are struggling without SA in the comp. And why on earth don’t they just allow their top players to go overseas? Look at your top footballers. They play all over the world.
SA has enough players to field at least 3 national teams, we can have a Bok team, north and south,🤔🤔🤔
Agree with Quade and most other assessments. I’m an England fan so mainly watch the Prem (Quins supporter), but will watch the URC, bits of the Top 14 and obviously the challenge and champions cup. SA joining has done them huge service, and has done huge damage to Aus and NZ. The Pumas obviously have a lot of their players in Europe too.
It does no good, at all, for the NZ super rugby sides to absolutely trounce the soft Aussie sides week on week. The NZ pack looked meek and underpowered vs Pumas. Super Rugby is now a Mickey Mouse league and it’s showing.
I want Australia to be strong. I grew up watching them in the late nineties winning everything, and they have the Lions next year - the game deserves and needs them to be back even halfway to what they can and should be.
NZ (Mehretns) didnt want SA in super rugby and it suited SA They saw the writing on the wall
Death of Aussie Rugby Union will not mean the end of World Rugby
You're right. It'll be bad for New Zealand and Fiji but that's about it.
Never write Australia off. These guys have kicked our backsides big time in the past. I still think we are the best in the world at the moment. But I am scared of the All Blacks and will never write the Wallabies off. I hear you guys thinking about might be wrong, but I think it is a matter of time.
Geese mate and you call yourself a bok supporter. Once AB's come to SA they are going to get hidings they will not forget in both games
@G12236 It will be fantastic if we can give them a hiding. I doesn't happen often. Maybe SA not playing super rugby anymore had a negative effect on these two countries, but I have a lot of respect for both and seen them come back with a bang.
It’s different now than before for us. The Wallabies had ups and downs, but they were always a chance because of the talent that was there. It’s not there anymore and I can’t see it ever coming back. We won’t win a game this year in Rugby Championship. These guys talking about the death knell being the British and Irish lions, which we will get absolutely flogged in, but I think the death knell will be Argentina coming to Aus and beating us soundly.
Quade Legend of the game.
With the Lions tour coming up next year in AUS, what about creating a BIL equivalent in the southern hemisphere? SA, NZ, Australia and maybe Argentina? Southern hemisphere vs northern hemisphere?
If anything just to create some hype and do something different? Feels like the lions tour in Australia doesn’t have a lot of buzz around it? Granted it’s still a ways away yet.
Just a thought, love the channel!
Just got to the end of the video 😂 I agree it’d stoke a lot of good conversation
A lot of valid points made, but there’s only one northern hemisphere team that has won a rugby World Cup so far. I don’t think anything will diminish New Zealand or South Africa as a superpower. Australia, however they have a lot more competition for talent because of the three football codes. Four if you include soccer.
Yes and a lot more competition for attention. I don't think the Wallabies get as much attention in Australia as the All Blacks, Springboks, England etc get in their own countries.
Super Rugby should add the Cheetahs and a combined team of the Griquas and Pumas.
Nah send them to Europe and bring the bulls Stormers and sharks back lol
A combined All Black, South Africa, Australia and Argentina side would be great fun to watch.
I blame ' minister of men's behavior '🤣🤣🤣
You can always do your shopping for players in SA we have so many players that don't get picked up by the big unions
Best players from the north vs best players in the south.
Now that would be a series
SA teams didnt mind moving to URC. The time zones are friendlier and we were always getting shafted in Super Rugby. Our SA Teams had 6 or 7 weeks on the road and the NZ/AUS teams came here for 3 games. We were at a disadvantage from the get go. Hence only the Bulls showing some dominance at one stage.
I 💯 agree with Quad. This will be the downfall of two countries that have won 5 world cups. SA will be exposed every year to these teams and will laugh at the status of the rugby. Both Argentina and Boks don’t need ABs and Aus rugby style, they’ve played against it for decades… they will learn more from the north. Next couple of years will be interesting (FYI ABs fan).
Just btw SA didnt jump out we got kicked out
Interesting that the weak SA fans have only focused on one sentence that he said
@@jeramy576 Classy response there. Me thinks Union is not your thing is that's how you want to conduct yourself.
My big peeve with rugby is that for the world cup they put powerhouses against minnows. The WC should have two leagues the powerhouses against each other and then the lowers against each other. I like to watch Georgia vs Fiji, but not one of these against a tier A - it does in my mind massive damage to growing the game. The winner of a tier 2 group should be promoted to tier 1 for the next WC and the worst team demoted to group 2. It is a win-win because we get to see more Tier 1 clashes, and then for 2-tier, we get to see more competitive games. Ice hockey does this. PS Cooper was an amazing player!
We were kicked out of Super Rugby, we didn't leave cause we wanted to
I truly don't understand why rugby league is more popular in Australia 🤯
because it is a superior sport. union had its chance in australia and blew it
Because it’s awesome
Because Australia have set the benchmark in the sport for the last 40 years....countries are proud of their teams when they are the best in the world ... not exactly rocket science.
Because they can't scrum.
because australians got tired of 1m barge over tries, endless "2nd bite of the apple" penalty advantage penalites and softer than mc donalds soft serve yellow cards.
Good player Cooper. And a wise bloke too.
The Saffas going to Europe took em to another level.
Love SA except when they play England 😂
Exactly they kicked out Folau from the eco system and now they have to reap the rewards 😂😂😂😂
Well NZ and Aus all thought that the super rugby comp was fair to themselves? even though it was always backed financially by supersport? but the SA teams were always at a massive disadvantage with the travel? and yet it was ignored by SARU and the ARU and NZRU? wakey wakey!!! 2 world cups later and now you get it? wtf? couch rugby pundits galore who know it all? think before you comment?"
Dude covid hit and a short term fix had to be made. You lot stopped playing for a whole year. It's a shame all around, but it has worked out for the boks.
We have had a "Champions League" for decades now. The Champions Cup.
Those teams are strong, because of the Griquas and WP exchange program, Cheetahs and Ospreys, Pumas,Lions
Quade is a bloody good man. To all the NZ cupid stunts that booed him I say, "R'eth kjyjewgh hwi"; deeply 😉😊👍.
What happens if SA leave the champions cup,and join the six nations.
The end of competitive southern hemisphere rugby more than likely.
Wtf is the Champions Cup? It's called the Rugby Championship.
Nit pricker
It was recently reviewed and confirmed that SA will NOT be included in 6 nations.
@@Jesus_is_Lord_316 For now...
I do think SA need to be back in the mould of Super Rugby but in the champions league format. Have Top South Africa/ NZ/Pacific/Aus sides play each other and the bottom half to play each other. Maybe even three divisions. Like a Champions/Europa/Conference competition. It will be great for teams to all work towards something. Also suprised that super Rugby dont have minor premiership winners aswell which is odd.
fold not mould.
This lad..ask the consultants what they think of him!
Don't underestimate the influence of Joe Schmidt and David Nucifora. It won't happen overnight it will take a few years, but these guys are serious operators. They were responsible for bringing Ireland to the level they are now.
Irelands school system was there before them, so grass roots was good, not sure how healthy the grass roots is in auz ?
@@DEvilParsnip
Fair enough but, they've had a lot of world class players for many, many years now, so they must be coming from somewhere.
I'd say JS knows the Lions tour is probably a lost cause at this point and is really focused on the WC
Actually sad to see the decline, prob why we havent had a good rugby game since Rugby 08
New zealand wanted SA out
SA also wanted out, the covid restrictions in NZ and Australia gave SA the opportunity they needed to leave.
There's no way in hell that that's true given the money SA Rugby was bringing in.
Richie Mac Caw saw the best game tought he played was 2009 face South Africa, you retir Sa in any league you collapse, you Add SA in any league you florisse, get back sa in super rugby please from 🇫🇷
All good we have our NPC if we stuck to our own we would still be a force
RSA was screwed by NZ rugby and the Aussies were willing spectators
Rugby is definitely dead in Australia, I can't see a future where it returns to its former glory. As someone who grew up in Canberra watching the Larkham/Gregan led Brumbies and Wallabies regularly win titles its a real shame. Ive completely focussed on NRL right now, it always was my preferred sport but I don't even keep track of the Wallabies scores anymore.
All it will take is for the next Larkham and Gregan to emerge.
Looking in from the outside its sad to see the level of Australian rugby right now.
It just looks like no one is in charge and thise claiming to be seem to have no plan.
Just before the South African teams left Super Rugby, the Australians were looking good with talent coming through the line but for a long time now we've hardly heard of any exciting young players coming out of Australia because we still get super rugby in SA. Watching it you can see its a one nation comp currently and its not benefiting any of the nations involved in SR, a lot needs to be done.
All started when Oz went woke with Raylene Castle. Folau, then SA rugby exit
I see that the Crusaders and Waratahs finish 9th and stone last in the current Super Rugby season. What the hell happened??
Why aren't these guys taking positions in Australian rugby to help grow the game?
South-Africa didn't jump out of anything. Nz administrators pushed us out.
I reckon it depends on what animal your taking out of the ecosystem ,,no disrespect to mighty Springboks but aus and nz are different beasts of its own that can adapt to sudden change but I think they would need to convince themselves that they are a different breed and are strong enough to survive ,judging by latest efforts no belief
Top player, he contributed a lot, Quade. Maybe don't wear NY times cap lol, 'cos that paper lies a lot.
When South Africa went into sporting isolation due to apartheid politics, their domestic league (Currie Cup) kept the rugby tradition alive and thriving. Australia would need to try something similar but Aussie Rules has filled that spot already 🤷♂️
NEW ZEALAND is already broke. They can't pick up the slack.
Let the European clubs pick up the big salary tabs.
1:10 No Quade (You bl@@dy legend!) the Kiwis and Ozzies kicked ZA to the curb. Real backstabbing BS bro!
Swings and roundabouts, rise and fall of teams is inevitable, winners should never become too arrogant and losers should never give up. Many years ago, SA was on the ropes, hence exited from the party. Now it's the turn of Oz, nothing lasts forever, it will be good for them again.
South Africa didn’t jump out of SANZAR, we were pushed…
You need to remember that politics killed the domestic game in SA.
The SA teams need to figure out how to fix our domestic game..... then we can look at going back to super rugby.
As a country we have moved beyond the politics... but the politics need to be taken completely out of it...
So that provincial rugby is 100% merit based.... there are enough players of colour and the system has loads of momentum for players of colour especially in the school system.
If the negativity of the politics is away.... you might have a shot at really growing the domestic game.
not true ! Curry cup , University cup is feeding the funnel to makle the boks cup runneth over
@peterwomersley yes... agreed
But rugby is dieing locally
Just look at our big stadiums all around the country.
They were built because there was a need for them.
Now we can't seem to sell out a URC game.
Brirish and Irish LIONS VS combined Southern team every 4 years is the best.....
I mean we all SA fans saw this coming🤦🏿♂️…let’s act surprised so we don’t make them feel bad😂
Rugby is in a great place. The antipodeans are struggling a bit. Japanese League is thriving, Europe takes care of itself and the USA is showing endeavor amd ambition. Super is struggling a tad bit because Aussies are rubbish.
Follow the money
As a kiwi ive gotta say nz rugby really screwed over south africa but it ended up being our loss.
It was obvious what the outcome would be.
@@dannyarcher6370 won’t argue with you there.
Rugby needs a strong Australia, 2 times world cup winners. I hope Joe can work his magic, but he can't do it alone and ARU need to get their act together. It's shameful how under their watch (ARU) they have let a great rugby nation get to the state it is now.
Harden up Boy 💪🏾
Given time the NRL will devour all in it's path. I give it 15 years maximum before South Africans are playing in a Perth NRL team.
Nice NYT hat Quade....HA!
Super Rugby pushed South Africa out because they weren't trying to accommodate the way South Africa was playing and they're all the worse for it. Kiwi and Aussie pundits were crying that SA was killing rugby, yet in removing SA from the equation, killed the sport in their respective countries. It was sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy, just didn't play out the way they expected lol
He's a smart man. Unsurprisingly, he and the rest of the 'new wave', will be ignored by the useful idiots.
A genuine drongo
Come on, a few years ago SA were demolished by the AB's and Wallabies. All teams go through bad times. The Wallabies will bounce back.
The difference is we have a system Aus system is broke
These pundits always overstate the problems in England. Yes, the Premiership clubs overspent and the consequence was 3 of them going bust. There are still 10 professional teams in the English Premiership and most of them are doing pretty well. They're popular. The English Premiership isn't facing an existential threat.
Sa were pushed out,no jumping ship.....talk about shitting on your own doorstep 😂
They did the same thing to Argentina, shame on them!
@@donedu100 no stop lyeing
@@donedu100Bullshit, the Jaguares were disbanded due to COVID. Little hard to play international club rugby when a two week quarantine exists.
@@icefarrow7959 So explain, with a little more education, jow is that they were not invited back in 22, 23, 24... Kind of weird, no?
@@icefarrow7959 The answer is in your own phrase... How does a two-week "quarantine" turn into 4 years? Yet, if you're bad at simple math, I'm sure reasoning is quite more difficult for you.