This guy was no normal Pro. Hajin Lee is a normal Pro....and Batts lost to her with a reverse komi. This Guy Choi Cheolhan has 14 Domestic Titles, 2 International Cup wins, and a Continental. He was #3 in the world one year, and has only recently slipped to 40th. Choi Cheolhan is a level 30 Arch-Devil with unlimited wish spells and symbol of Hopelessness 2X day as a 30th level Magic user. You can have all the Joseki Armor, and all the opening theory magic items you want, you'll still die when he summons 4 Level 15 barbed devils with 80% damage reduction. They will Claw, Claw, bite, and stab your groups to death.
Very happy you got to play someone like him! Takeaway for me watching : Throw away fear. Treat your opponent as an honored friend and trust your instincts and yourself.
It's awesome watching you talk yourself into, despite your instinct, doing all the things that Choi Cheolhan pointed out as your mistakes in his review. "The aji here is how we're currently set to not be alive anymore." Classic.
One thing I remember from the old days when Shygost used to do lessons on KGS, is that he said something along the lines of "What made me really break through to 6 dan was when I realized I didn't have to do anything special". I think that compliments really well what happened with respect to when you second guessed your basic instinct because you thought you had to achieve more. Apart from that, what we see here is also the different dynamic that starts to appear in a 'match setting' such as tournament games etc. - since you primarily play games online, you have less experience with that kind of pressure, and that will cause mistakes - totally understandable. I think the pincer in the upper right where you were almost surprised at your own move shows that well :-) I would also like to commend Dwyrin for an excellent use AI-review. Not nitpicking over every single detail, exploring selective variations that you are in doubt about, and exploring which variations lead to complications and which do not. Instead finding what you thought were important points that turned the flow of the game. That was really nice :-)
This is great: I just watched this game first on Yoon's Baduk Cafe, and took in her commentary. Then, I came here and watched your remarks. To see the pro analysis and then your own real-time thought process was just fantastic! And, for a bonus, it was played on my birthday! I guess 2020 was good for something. Right?
I'm glad you got the opportunity to play the poisonous snake! Unfortunately this gives off the vibe as if the information flow and review situation were handled a little poorly on Mrs. Young-Sun 8ps behalf. As somebody who met her personally and got to know her as a very positive person I hope that despite this it was a great experience for you! Thanks for making these inspirational videos for the rest of us. :)
Dwyrin, I saw you play against Haylee (4p) an even game and you almost won the game! Is Cho Cheholyan so much stronger? He had 4 of your groups running for life and captured two of them. Amazing. The most interesting part of the analysis was at time 1:18:00 on your video. You thought that your stones would be killed if white jumps down. But incredibly as you showed black can counter cut and start a capturing race on the other side. That shows how deep the game of Go is.
@@rivenmain2175 It's true though. You can virtually feel when someone feels nervous/uncomfortable playing a certain player hence not playing their best Go. I definetely have it and I am sure 9ps are making every amateur nervous af. On the ither hand, I don't think you can do anything against that, except for getting routine playing these players again and again...
This was so cool! The next time you play a pro I want to see you play with your ‘basics’ thinking cap on. Maybe playing someone so strong with that approach will not make it seem as scary as it is.
I love that you tried to kill a top professional's group near the end! I commend your bravery! At first it looked like it should work, but even when it looks that way, it can be easy to succumb to fear and play defensively.
This match reminded me so much of another match you played against a professional on tygem a few years ago. Better said the rematch against him after you knew he was a pro. There was so much fear of making a mistake, so much second guessing. I'm pretty sure you would have crushed him with a slightly different setup: Some internet guy: let's play, I give you 20 points komi. Dwyrin: wtf, I'll teach you some basics. Ok, maybe not, but your analysis showed that you can play stronger if you're just yourself. Still entertaining and thanks a lot for all the great stuff you produce. Just love it!
Choi did think you were passive. I watched Yoon's review. Now that I'm watching this...I think he was right. It felt like you were hesitant. You knew what he was going to do and second guessed and play elsewhere only for him to play the move you said he would. Still entertaining... even though you ended up with more than 2 weak groups lol.
Very fun game. I had even been able to see a couple moves and not just forcing moves haha. I wouldnt have been able to follow up but kata agreed with me.
I love that the two space corner enclosure is popular these days thanks to the computer. Ten years ago when I started playing I would play both corners with the two space as black. It just looked good to me. I would try and build a frame work from that. I liked it for its flexibility for giving territory or influence depending on what the opponent does. Now that I’m getting back in to go I see how doing it twice was too slow but it’s definitely my favourite opening.
Oh god, I totally remember seeing F16! If I had played a bunch of other moves right and also played F16 that would have been really strong!!!! 1:11:30 {edited to add timestamp, you can get why}
The intimidation is hard to deal with. You can't just do what feels right and that's a power that fear creates not just in Go, but in life. Do what you think is best and deal with it. The worst case is you learn, the best case is that you make the right move! It's actually pretty cool that you lasted a long time, but the way you played wasn't to win, it was to survive, which we know leads to defeat. *Your analysis should teach you this, if nothing else.*
I LOVE your videos. Much respect. I do have a bit of (hopefully) constructive criticism. It would be IMMENSELY helpful if you avoided frequently saying "here/there/this/that/etc." during reviews. It's a problem during any review. But the vagueness was exponentially compounded by the use of AI during this review. So naming the location of the move(s) you're referencing would be great. (Ex. "If I play at X then Y could happen; if I play at A then B could happen.) Or you could use the drawing tool. I find that helpful in-game and believe it would be even more useful during reviews. Thanks again, sir. You've helped me improve my game significantly. I look forward to many years of additional great content from you
What I take away from this game is... if a gote move is really solid, has shape and prevents the opponent to ever attack a group again, it's better than playing a sente move or a aggressive move that leaves a lot of aji... I bet this game was also eye opening for you ^^ it feels like he wanted to show you what you have to work on... such an amazing player!
Weird suggestion but would you consider playing a game on a board larger than 19x19? This is something I've been interested in for awhile and I've even considered working with katago to create an AI for larger boards.
@@gurelarikan8498 Would not want to watch it or compare it with Dwyrin. It's different because it's casual everyday sexism which nobody notices. The first thing that comes into his mind, when running away is being a girl. That doesn't make sense and is discriminating. Strong young girls grow up hearing sentences like this every day casually dropped to learn that they are weak by definition.
Can you study and try to become comfortable with the 2 space high 3,4 enclosure, or do an analysis on this? A full analysis of the 3,4 high 2 space and also large knight enclosures would be so helpful right now. I can not overstate how important these positions are these days.
Dwyrin -- do you know what your peak viewership was on Twitch? On youtube? I think you must have been over 300 right? I missed the stream sadly, but it was awesome that you got to play a man who won 14 domestic and 2 international Titles. Honestly, that guy probably could give most strong AMAs 4 stones and win. I think Choi Cheolhan is even 2 stones above Andy Liu 1P .
208 views on that stream 312 is my top on twitch of all time. For youtube, not sure since those were always spur of the moment things when twitch went down.
@@dwyrin ruclips.net/video/v-CJRw0lHwo/видео.html Have you seen Chelhon's generous review yet? He praised your opening, and said some nice things about your game. Also-- he suggested a running fight in response to the pincer up top. Chase white into the center and ruin the building on that side instead of taking the stupid corner. Also, he agreed that the L5 move was the nail in your coffin. When you tenuki to play the left side, your direction of play and urgent move assessment was way off. His review was awesome, I think You'll get a lot from it. His big suggestion is that it should have been a 3-4 stone handicap game to set up more complex fighting and thus benefit your viewers. With a larger lead in stones, you could have responded to him aggressively and thus taught fighting. He wanted you to have played handicap to fight harder, and not be as passive as you were.
30s byo yomi was the obvious trap. you can't think or read with 30s, i always ask for at least 1 min in my games, especially if i know i'm going to play against someone much stronger. against a pro 30s might as well be a blitz game.
Unless Choi would have messed up somewhere, he would have won anyways, because minor mistakes like the hane on the right side add up in the end(game) and top pros with such an amount of experience can punish and execute it. But I think the real mistake was the over extension at K4. Because of that he really could take advantage of the cutting point at P13 ( ? coords are messed up, but its obvious which I mean), especially because you ignored the 2 stones on top. You basically added another weakness there and yeah, we know how it ended. ^^ Tenuking at the left side at C8 was just the nail in the coffin then. I actually wonder why you played that way. Imo your playstyle is to build a strong foundation in the beginning, so your opponents fall behind, they overplay and you have a higher chance of winning a fight, because they are overplaying and you are not. Well, it was a tough game anyways because Choi played light shapes with his stones on the right and top side, which are hard to attack and imo his only weakness was the lower left at F16. But because of mentioned K4 you never got the chance to exploit it. You basically played like you want your opponents to play against you. :> I really wished you hadnt played there. :) But was fun to watch.
Random but scary strong amateur vs bot game on kgs. KataGoBot(9d) vs. peter21(7d) 23/02/20 23:08 Whether it is a murder Monday type game is open. It gives a strong example of why emulating bots is not advisable. If you see you will see.
WARNING: POTENTIALLY CONTENTIOUS ADVICE (BUT NOT TRYING TO START ARGUMENT) I believe you should play the board, not the opponent. Only moves change the distribution of points across the board. Neither komi nor your opponent’s identity affect the board in any way. Therefore, I believe the best move is one that takes only the board into account.* I admit that various constraints make this ideal impossible. As you said in your intro, there were moves you wanted to try that you avoided because you had to keep the audience in mind. There are also going to be situations where you cannot think long enough or read deep enough, so you are forced to take your best chance given uncertainty. But aren’t there enough times that one makes a mistake convinced he is right that backing away what looks right but difficult that he stands to lose what he hoped to retain anyway? I personally expect to learn more from games with honest mistakes than from games where I knowingly tried to take too much or too little due to emotional influences. Bad habits or misunderstandings can be corrected when discovered. I fear hiding these problems by choosing to stray from the best path. In one of my favorite speeches in literature, Captain Dimak said, “Be brave, all of you, like Nero Boulanger, and when you have a thought of such surpassing ignorance that you think it's actually smart, make sure to make some noise, to let your mental limitations squeak out some whimpering fart of a thought, so that you have a chance to learn” (Orion Scott Card’s Ender’s Shadow). Perhaps I try to twist the thought too far, but here I think this applies to how to play Go. * Technically, the counting rules and ko rule used also affect this as well. I can be pedantic, too.
@@IcyTorment I firmly disagree, which is why I warned that my position might be contentious. Winning probability is a crutch that attempts to account for the fact that both players will make mistakes. Whether a move is a mistake or not is actually determined by whether there is a refutation that will cost that player points. The best move on the board is the minimax move: that which results in the player having exactly as many points as he could take without refutation. Komi has no impact on this. The best move is likely impossible even for future AIs, and therefore an unrealistic ideal, but I believe that stopping short of trying to find the best move is being slack in trying to get stronger.
It is not fun to see a guy sorrowing dying in pain against a 9p. Craving for some moves that he can not do because he doesnt have time. Oh Man, he lived eternal hell in the non-eternal world.
Elijah Baldwin He already reviewed the game on Yoons channel, plus with the language barrier (Choi only speaks Korean) a review between the two players wouldn’t be possible.
You make it sound like the way for you to improve right now is to work on your decision-making process, which has nothing to do with your skill at the game itself.
If regular komi is half a move, then the komi for this game is only 1.5 moves (approximately). That's three weak moves you get to play, after which white is even/ahead. I was surprised to see you go for influence against a superior opponent, since it is easier to make territory along the wall than get influence and then get territory nearer the center. Getting immediate territory is almost never a mistake, right? I wanted to see you just defend your bottom right corner, defend your right side, and then 3-3 the top left corner ASAP. You could have reduced his influence over the center after these fights. It seemed like you were intimidated into looking for bigger moves than what is actually safe to play... which led to you being cut, poked, and reduced everywhere. The reduction of your bottom side territory was severe.
Dwyrin's advantage in this game was 27 points. (20.5 reverse komi + not giving 6.5 komi with black.) Assuming fair komi is 7 points (and one full move is 14 points) his advantage was basically 2 full moves. If he made two completely useless moves the game would become even. However, at 6 dan level, it is very hard to make moves that are completely useless. So it might have taken quite a few more weak moves to make the game even.
06:43 - Game Begins
50:53 - Review via AI
"The question is not 'Can he kill me?'. The question is 'Do you want to see it?'" xDD
we learned so much about Choi Cheolhan in lectures! it was exciting to see a game with someone so famous!
I think you played exceptionally well. Pros are literal demons and faced him very well!
This guy was no normal Pro. Hajin Lee is a normal Pro....and Batts lost to her with a reverse komi. This Guy Choi Cheolhan has 14 Domestic Titles, 2 International Cup wins, and a Continental. He was #3 in the world one year, and has only recently slipped to 40th.
Choi Cheolhan is a level 30 Arch-Devil with unlimited wish spells and symbol of Hopelessness 2X day as a 30th level Magic user.
You can have all the Joseki Armor, and all the opening theory magic items you want, you'll still die when he summons 4 Level 15 barbed devils with 80% damage reduction. They will Claw, Claw, bite, and stab your groups to death.
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Very happy you got to play someone like him!
Takeaway for me watching : Throw away fear. Treat your opponent as an honored friend and trust your instincts and yourself.
It's awesome watching you talk yourself into, despite your instinct, doing all the things that Choi Cheolhan pointed out as your mistakes in his review. "The aji here is how we're currently set to not be alive anymore." Classic.
One thing I remember from the old days when Shygost used to do lessons on KGS, is that he said something along the lines of
"What made me really break through to 6 dan was when I realized I didn't have to do anything special".
I think that compliments really well what happened with respect to when you second guessed your basic instinct because you thought you had to achieve more.
Apart from that, what we see here is also the different dynamic that starts to appear in a 'match setting' such as tournament games etc. - since you primarily play games online, you have less experience with that kind of pressure, and that will cause mistakes - totally understandable. I think the pincer in the upper right where you were almost surprised at your own move shows that well :-)
I would also like to commend Dwyrin for an excellent use AI-review. Not nitpicking over every single detail, exploring selective variations that you are in doubt about, and exploring which variations lead to complications and which do not. Instead finding what you thought were important points that turned the flow of the game. That was really nice :-)
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This is great: I just watched this game first on Yoon's Baduk Cafe, and took in her commentary. Then, I came here and watched your remarks. To see the pro analysis and then your own real-time thought process was just fantastic! And, for a bonus, it was played on my birthday! I guess 2020 was good for something. Right?
I'm glad you got the opportunity to play the poisonous snake! Unfortunately this gives off the vibe as if the information flow and review situation were handled a little poorly on Mrs. Young-Sun 8ps behalf. As somebody who met her personally and got to know her as a very positive person I hope that despite this it was a great experience for you! Thanks for making these inspirational videos for the rest of us. :)
Dwyrin, I saw you play against Haylee (4p) an even game and you almost won the game! Is Cho Cheholyan so much stronger? He had 4 of your groups running for life and captured two of them. Amazing.
The most interesting part of the analysis was at time 1:18:00 on your video. You thought that your stones would be killed if white jumps down. But incredibly as you showed black can counter cut and start a capturing race on the other side. That shows how deep the game of Go is.
You get too nervous playing against "stronger" people. Play the board, and don't play the opponent. Don't get starstruck! It's a scam, kid.
what do you mean kid, batts is the teacher we are the kids! Choi said batts had really good moves too
@@rivenmain2175 it was more colloquial rather than being serious.he's taught me a lot!
@@rivenmain2175 It's true though. You can virtually feel when someone feels nervous/uncomfortable playing a certain player hence not playing their best Go. I definetely have it and I am sure 9ps are making every amateur nervous af.
On the ither hand, I don't think you can do anything against that, except for getting routine playing these players again and again...
Awesome. Thought about switching to other video to watch the "higher elo" commentary, but I enjoy (and learn from) your commentary more
thank you for saying so!
This was so cool! The next time you play a pro I want to see you play with your ‘basics’ thinking cap on. Maybe playing someone so strong with that approach will not make it seem as scary as it is.
I love that you tried to kill a top professional's group near the end! I commend your bravery! At first it looked like it should work, but even when it looks that way, it can be easy to succumb to fear and play defensively.
Great game, thanks Dwyrin!
Wow, u was like afraid of every his move, but anyway maniacly trying to kill his groups. That's was really funny game and comments, thank ya
Was a very enjoyable game. The thumbnail is great. I wanna see a rematch.
Just want to point out Murdered in the title, probably not mudered. The video itself: fantastic! :D
lol fixed. Thanks, been a long day
This match reminded me so much of another match you played against a professional on tygem a few years ago. Better said the rematch against him after you knew he was a pro. There was so much fear of making a mistake, so much second guessing. I'm pretty sure you would have crushed him with a slightly different setup:
Some internet guy: let's play, I give you 20 points komi.
Dwyrin: wtf, I'll teach you some basics.
Ok, maybe not, but your analysis showed that you can play stronger if you're just yourself. Still entertaining and thanks a lot for all the great stuff you produce. Just love it!
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Choi did think you were passive. I watched Yoon's review. Now that I'm watching this...I think he was right. It felt like you were hesitant. You knew what he was going to do and second guessed and play elsewhere only for him to play the move you said he would. Still entertaining... even though you ended up with more than 2 weak groups lol.
true that
Very fun game. I had even been able to see a couple moves and not just forcing moves haha. I wouldnt have been able to follow up but kata agreed with me.
I love that the two space corner enclosure is popular these days thanks to the computer. Ten years ago when I started playing I would play both corners with the two space as black. It just looked good to me. I would try and build a frame work from that. I liked it for its flexibility for giving territory or influence depending on what the opponent does. Now that I’m getting back in to go I see how doing it twice was too slow but it’s definitely my favourite opening.
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great game and review, thanks.
Oh god, I totally remember seeing F16! If I had played a bunch of other moves right and also played F16 that would have been really strong!!!!
1:11:30 {edited to add timestamp, you can get why}
The intimidation is hard to deal with. You can't just do what feels right and that's a power that fear creates not just in Go, but in life. Do what you think is best and deal with it. The worst case is you learn, the best case is that you make the right move!
It's actually pretty cool that you lasted a long time, but the way you played wasn't to win, it was to survive, which we know leads to defeat. *Your analysis should teach you this, if nothing else.*
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I LOVE your videos. Much respect. I do have a bit of (hopefully) constructive criticism. It would be IMMENSELY helpful if you avoided frequently saying "here/there/this/that/etc." during reviews. It's a problem during any review. But the vagueness was exponentially compounded by the use of AI during this review. So naming the location of the move(s) you're referencing would be great. (Ex. "If I play at X then Y could happen; if I play at A then B could happen.) Or you could use the drawing tool. I find that helpful in-game and believe it would be even more useful during reviews. Thanks again, sir. You've helped me improve my game significantly. I look forward to many years of additional great content from you
I felt like move 15 (12:14) was dangerously close to being a missclick.
What I take away from this game is... if a gote move is really solid, has shape and prevents the opponent to ever attack a group again, it's better than playing a sente move or a aggressive move that leaves a lot of aji... I bet this game was also eye opening for you ^^ it feels like he wanted to show you what you have to work on... such an amazing player!
Defense plus offense equals cut-fu
Very good game, as always. I played some top pros and I think 20 points were just not enough ^^
Choi offered you a second game with -20 Komi + 2 Stones hc, which I really want to see!!!
Weird suggestion but would you consider playing a game on a board larger than 19x19? This is something I've been interested in for awhile and I've even considered working with katago to create an AI for larger boards.
Nice game! 31:30 Sexist comment though, didn't like that!
geez, chill - watch some ricky gervais, bill burr if you think that's sexist
@@gurelarikan8498 Would not want to watch it or compare it with Dwyrin. It's different because it's casual everyday sexism which nobody notices. The first thing that comes into his mind, when running away is being a girl. That doesn't make sense and is discriminating. Strong young girls grow up hearing sentences like this every day casually dropped to learn that they are weak by definition.
Can you study and try to become comfortable with the 2 space high 3,4 enclosure, or do an analysis on this? A full analysis of the 3,4 high 2 space and also large knight enclosures would be so helpful right now. I can not overstate how important these positions are these days.
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Can you do a tutorial on how to install Katago or Leelazero on Lizzie?
I'm sure you saw Choi's review on Yoon's channel. He basically challenged you to a rematch with 2 stone handicap +20 komi. What would you say to that?
lol it wasn't a challenge. It was just a polite remark
Great game thank you
Cool game my dude
Where did you get that animated background, it's pretty cool?
What was the term at 24:34? pepega?
its a twitch thing.
I loved this video even if you lost!
Did you get to see Choi Cheolhan's review before you posted this?
nope
what application is the one for annotate you keep using, on the left of the screen?
The bottom left is my chat since I played this game live on twitch and the right comments i add manually in editing.
@@dwyrin imgur.com/Y6CW7dv this is what I was asking you about...
Cool background.... where did you find it?
wallpaper engine
@@dwyrin Thank you bro. 😎
I wonder what the pro said about it
Dwyrin -- do you know what your peak viewership was on Twitch? On youtube? I think you must have been over 300 right? I missed the stream sadly, but it was awesome that you got to play a man who won 14 domestic and 2 international Titles. Honestly, that guy probably could give most strong AMAs 4 stones and win. I think Choi Cheolhan is even 2 stones above Andy Liu 1P .
208 views on that stream 312 is my top on twitch of all time. For youtube, not sure since those were always spur of the moment things when twitch went down.
@@dwyrin ruclips.net/video/v-CJRw0lHwo/видео.html
Have you seen Chelhon's generous review yet?
He praised your opening, and said some nice things about your game. Also-- he suggested a running fight in response to the pincer up top. Chase white into the center and ruin the building on that side instead of taking the stupid corner.
Also, he agreed that the L5 move was the nail in your coffin. When you tenuki to play the left side, your direction of play and urgent move assessment was way off.
His review was awesome, I think You'll get a lot from it. His big suggestion is that it should have been a 3-4 stone handicap game to set up more complex fighting and thus benefit your viewers. With a larger lead in stones, you could have responded to him aggressively and thus taught fighting. He wanted you to have played handicap to fight harder, and not be as passive as you were.
Are you going to play rematch?
Alex S Choi cheolhan did offer the challenge
30s byo yomi was the obvious trap. you can't think or read with 30s, i always ask for at least 1 min in my games, especially if i know i'm going to play against someone much stronger.
against a pro 30s might as well be a blitz game.
Unless Choi would have messed up somewhere, he would have won anyways, because minor mistakes like the hane on the right side add up in the end(game) and top pros with such an amount of experience can punish and execute it.
But I think the real mistake was the over extension at K4. Because of that he really could take advantage of the cutting point at P13 ( ? coords are messed up, but its obvious which I mean), especially because you ignored the 2 stones on top. You basically added another weakness there and yeah, we know how it ended. ^^ Tenuking at the left side at C8 was just the nail in the coffin then.
I actually wonder why you played that way. Imo your playstyle is to build a strong foundation in the beginning, so your opponents fall behind, they overplay and you have a higher chance of winning a fight, because they are overplaying and you are not. Well, it was a tough game anyways because Choi played light shapes with his stones on the right and top side, which are hard to attack and imo his only weakness was the lower left at F16. But because of mentioned K4 you never got the chance to exploit it.
You basically played like you want your opponents to play against you. :> I really wished you hadnt played there. :)
But was fun to watch.
WH0 was the black Sai? He has me @1:20 3-5 is bae
Is there any discord server regarding weiqi?
Usgo.org
Random but scary strong amateur vs bot game on kgs.
KataGoBot(9d) vs. peter21(7d) 23/02/20 23:08
Whether it is a murder Monday type game is open. It gives a strong example of why emulating bots is not advisable. If you see you will see.
WARNING: POTENTIALLY CONTENTIOUS ADVICE (BUT NOT TRYING TO START ARGUMENT)
I believe you should play the board, not the opponent. Only moves change the distribution of points across the board. Neither komi nor your opponent’s identity affect the board in any way. Therefore, I believe the best move is one that takes only the board into account.*
I admit that various constraints make this ideal impossible. As you said in your intro, there were moves you wanted to try that you avoided because you had to keep the audience in mind. There are also going to be situations where you cannot think long enough or read deep enough, so you are forced to take your best chance given uncertainty. But aren’t there enough times that one makes a mistake convinced he is right that backing away what looks right but difficult that he stands to lose what he hoped to retain anyway?
I personally expect to learn more from games with honest mistakes than from games where I knowingly tried to take too much or too little due to emotional influences. Bad habits or misunderstandings can be corrected when discovered. I fear hiding these problems by choosing to stray from the best path.
In one of my favorite speeches in literature, Captain Dimak said, “Be brave, all of you, like Nero Boulanger, and when you have a thought of such surpassing ignorance that you think it's actually smart, make sure to make some noise, to let your mental limitations squeak out some whimpering fart of a thought, so that you have a chance to learn” (Orion Scott Card’s Ender’s Shadow). Perhaps I try to twist the thought too far, but here I think this applies to how to play Go.
* Technically, the counting rules and ko rule used also affect this as well. I can be pedantic, too.
@@IcyTorment I firmly disagree, which is why I warned that my position might be contentious. Winning probability is a crutch that attempts to account for the fact that both players will make mistakes. Whether a move is a mistake or not is actually determined by whether there is a refutation that will cost that player points. The best move on the board is the minimax move: that which results in the player having exactly as many points as he could take without refutation. Komi has no impact on this. The best move is likely impossible even for future AIs, and therefore an unrealistic ideal, but I believe that stopping short of trying to find the best move is being slack in trying to get stronger.
It is not fun to see a guy sorrowing dying in pain against a 9p. Craving for some moves that he can not do because he doesnt have time. Oh Man, he lived eternal hell in the non-eternal world.
You are better than you think thats my advice
you should talk to the player for a review of the game as well if possible. I know his time is valuable though.
Elijah Baldwin He already reviewed the game on Yoons channel, plus with the language barrier (Choi only speaks Korean) a review between the two players wouldn’t be possible.
@@DSWiifan ah shoot
Quick dwyrin, learn korean!
You make it sound like the way for you to improve right now is to work on your decision-making process, which has nothing to do with your skill at the game itself.
this is so sad. To just watch dwyrin flail
If regular komi is half a move, then the komi for this game is only 1.5 moves (approximately). That's three weak moves you get to play, after which white is even/ahead. I was surprised to see you go for influence against a superior opponent, since it is easier to make territory along the wall than get influence and then get territory nearer the center. Getting immediate territory is almost never a mistake, right?
I wanted to see you just defend your bottom right corner, defend your right side, and then 3-3 the top left corner ASAP. You could have reduced his influence over the center after these fights. It seemed like you were intimidated into looking for bigger moves than what is actually safe to play... which led to you being cut, poked, and reduced everywhere. The reduction of your bottom side territory was severe.
Dwyrin's advantage in this game was 27 points. (20.5 reverse komi + not giving 6.5 komi with black.)
Assuming fair komi is 7 points (and one full move is 14 points) his advantage was basically 2 full moves. If he made two completely useless moves the game would become even. However, at 6 dan level, it is very hard to make moves that are completely useless. So it might have taken quite a few more weak moves to make the game even.
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