Rediscovering Ancient Greek Music: A performance reconstructs the past

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  • Music was ubiquitous in Ancient Greece. Now we can hear how it actually sounded. A short documentary directed by Mike Tomlinson.
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    Much of what we think of as Ancient Greek poetry, including Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey, was composed to be sung, frequently with the accompaniment of musical instruments. And while the Greeks left modern classicists many indications that music was omnipresent in society - from vases decorated with lyres, to melodic notation preserved on stone - the precise character and contours of the music has long been considered irreproducible. However, the UK Classicist and classical musician Armand D’Angour has spent years endeavouring to stitch the mysterious sounds of Ancient Greek music back together from large and small hints left behind. In 2017, his work culminated in a unique performance at the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford, intended to recreate the sounds of Greek music dating as far back as Homer’s era - roughly 700 BCE. This short documentary details the extraordinary research and musical expertise that made the concert possible, revealing remarkable sounds once thought lost to time. To learn more about what music sounded like in Ancient Greece, read D’Angour’s Aeon idea: aeon.co/ideas/can-we-know-wha...
    Director: Mike Tomlinson
    Producer: Hannah Veale, James Tomalin
    #ancientgreece #history #greekmusic

Комментарии • 2 тыс.

  • @robwalsh9843
    @robwalsh9843 2 года назад +6995

    These guys are okay, but let me tell you about this band I saw in Antioch back in 175 BC. Man, they crushed it.

    • @siegfriedkleinmartins7816
      @siegfriedkleinmartins7816 2 года назад +68

      OH MY GOD....L OOOOOO L.

    • @FlaxeMusic
      @FlaxeMusic 2 года назад +98

      This nearly holds a candle to that one time in 1998 when the Undertaker threw Mankind 16 ft through a steel cage.

    • @mysteriousman4966
      @mysteriousman4966 2 года назад +17

      How old are you man?!

    • @tanteedelgard1921
      @tanteedelgard1921 2 года назад +70

      @@mysteriousman4966 Just count the years:
      175 BC
      174 BC
      173 BC
      172 BC
      ...
      😉

    • @elliottv.3782
      @elliottv.3782 2 года назад +14

      @@FlaxeMusic we all know nothing tops that

  • @YellowPsych
    @YellowPsych 2 года назад +2807

    Its crazy how the aulos can sound so hideous but also so beautiful. Callum’s improvisation was so surreal, it brought me into some other world.

    • @maxbrumbergflutes
      @maxbrumbergflutes 2 года назад +36

      He is the most amazing Aulos player, I am so much looking forward to ne recordings by him

    • @eldermillennial8330
      @eldermillennial8330 2 года назад +4

      @@maxbrumbergflutes Spencer Klavan needs to invite him on his podcast and they can discuss this Miracle in even more glorious depth! I KNEW the scrawny tenor with the dark beard was him! I had no idea he’d participated in something this! I just stumbled into it. Amazing!

    • @aprcuulestdude9076
      @aprcuulestdude9076 2 года назад +11

      Narnia

    • @ruttolomeo1987
      @ruttolomeo1987 2 года назад

      Quit pot you freako

    • @mekkler
      @mekkler 2 года назад +19

      Reminds me of a kazoo.

  • @Venentine
    @Venentine Год назад +598

    The performance by Callum around 9:00 sounded much like the traditional music still played today in Albania and Greece. Really amazing that we can recover these things from so long ago.

    • @Balrog-tf3bg
      @Balrog-tf3bg Год назад +12

      That’s super cool, it just gets passed down and down

    • @andsalomoni
      @andsalomoni Год назад +9

      In fact all you can do is to study the music that is still played in the "most traditional possible" situations of today.
      To claim that you play like they played 2500 years ago is sheer delusion.

    • @littlekreeper8918
      @littlekreeper8918 Год назад +11

      @@andsalomoni that's so cool id love to see your papers and credentials on this

    • @andsalomoni
      @andsalomoni Год назад +9

      @@littlekreeper8918 You need credentials to understand that you can't know how did it sound a music that they played 2500 years ago, if you - nor anyone living today - couldn't ever hear it?

    • @christosmerkonidis7190
      @christosmerkonidis7190 Год назад

      My thought too

  • @denzilhamm331
    @denzilhamm331 Год назад +47

    The cyclical breathing technique the double pipe improviser is using is MIND BOGGLING. Consistent and never ending sound.

    • @Trobtwillis
      @Trobtwillis 4 месяца назад +1

      There are saxophonists & such who do circular breathing. I played clarinet for a couple of years or so, and I can't imagine pulling it off.

    • @antonmikofsky2073
      @antonmikofsky2073 3 месяца назад +2

      Or Rahsaan Roland Kirk. Heard him at a club in the Village.

  • @joshl.8950
    @joshl.8950 2 года назад +1449

    The double flute played by Callum at 8:49 almost sounds like an accordion at times and others a bagpipe, but sometimes a flute. I love this instrument. Really cool

    • @alexanderkupke920
      @alexanderkupke920 2 года назад +16

      I guess the aeolus is just missing the range and the fact that it is two pipes and thus two notes cover up similarities with an oboe or a bassoon. But the instrument you pointed out have a distinct familiarity, as in both cases some sort of reed is actually what creates the sound. The rest of the instrument, the bore, length etc. then creates the typical tone.
      I think especially comparing it to the sound of a bagpipe is not to far off, as with the second pipe you get an effect similar to the bourdon of the bagpipes drone pipes.

    • @tylerwill7259
      @tylerwill7259 2 года назад +13

      I think it sounds a lot like the duduk. It is a great sound tho!

    • @MiklasBeatBox
      @MiklasBeatBox 2 года назад +7

      Absolute devine experience

    • @maxbrumbergflutes
      @maxbrumbergflutes 2 года назад +8

      Alexander Kupke the aulos seems to be the ancestor to Duduk and Oboe. You fine-tune the tonality of both pipes with embouchure technique, this gives an amazing range of tuning possibilities and dynamics that you would never have with bagpipes.
      Our latest researches show en even richer and more centered sound with new reed materials.

    • @tomasmichael3576
      @tomasmichael3576 2 года назад +9

      @@maxbrumbergflutes It's called diavlos (Δίαυλος). Avlos (Αυλός) roughly means flute. So di- (δι-, double) means two of those.

  • @primeministerofredneckistan
    @primeministerofredneckistan 2 года назад +3174

    This is the absolute nerdiest thing that I have ever thoroughly enjoyed!!

    • @Bye-kd8xo
      @Bye-kd8xo 2 года назад +61

      lol true, this comment made me chuckle. I think the dude with the double pipes is by far the biggest nerd in the group.

    • @josephengel2091
      @josephengel2091 2 года назад +19

      As a Classics major whose exes include a couple music majors, this is right up my alley😊

    • @danielrodio9
      @danielrodio9 2 года назад +36

      When your passion overpowers any sense of self awareness (Which in my opinion is the ideal state of being)

    • @syrenaxhaferi7278
      @syrenaxhaferi7278 2 года назад +5

      It really is

    • @joshn7232
      @joshn7232 2 года назад +14

      Is there anything else worth spending your attention on other than nerdy things?? Honestly asking, like do you watch sports and reality tv normally?

  • @crying2emoji5
    @crying2emoji5 Год назад +116

    I love it when someone’s extreme passion (bordering on obsession) ends up culminating into a beautiful experience everyone can enjoy. Just because one person or a small group of people refused to let other people tell them, “it’s lost,” or, “it can’t be done.”

    • @JaseekaRawr
      @JaseekaRawr Год назад +2

      It's definitely a-coded 😂 (pretty sure I'm on the spectrum I can say it LOL)

  • @EliasEliadis
    @EliasEliadis Год назад +243

    As a Greek I want to thank you very much for what you do.

    • @xybai5152
      @xybai5152 Год назад +2

      what are the lyrics saying?

    • @EliasEliadis
      @EliasEliadis Год назад +6

      Unfortunately it is in Ancient Greek and just by hearing I cannot say.

    • @Carnophobe
      @Carnophobe Год назад +2

      @@xybai5152 If you switch on the subtitles/closed captions some of it is translated. 11:31 onwards I noticed, not sure if it is earlier.

    • @user-hp8hg2ix1b
      @user-hp8hg2ix1b Год назад +2

      @@xybai5152 Also, their accent is very heavy, they kinda distort the words.

    • @selvamthiagarajan8152
      @selvamthiagarajan8152 Год назад +1

      As a non Greek I also want to thank you very much for bringing music from ancient world back to life.

  • @Giannis_Sarafis
    @Giannis_Sarafis 2 года назад +727

    The performance of mr. Callum Armstrong really, really sounds like Greek traditional music, especially the type of "kathistika", which are slow, lyric songs about unfulfilled love, tragic heroes and warriors for freedom. In the "modern" version, the musician will play his flute/bagpipe/lyre/oud/kanun etc, and then slowly sings the lyrics. Very touching performance...

    • @nonenoneonenonenone
      @nonenoneonenonenone 2 года назад +9

      The best way to reconstruct is to work back from what is unchanged today.

    • @LeeAnthonyxxo
      @LeeAnthonyxxo 2 года назад +31

      Agree he was the only one who seemed relatively believable.
      Why did the rest of them sound like they were singing hymns in a church of England church on a Sunday service?
      It's like they tried to make kleftiko with English beef, English parnsips and English parsley...

    • @melonsdad7498
      @melonsdad7498 2 года назад +1

      What a greta support for Greek Nazism and Golden Down

    • @Giannis_Sarafis
      @Giannis_Sarafis 2 года назад +6

      @@melonsdad7498 why do you say that? So, every classical music's masterpiece, based on traditional melodies, is nazistic?

    • @nodspruductionss3812
      @nodspruductionss3812 2 года назад +2

      @@melonsdad7498 Keep those creeps away from greek heretege and art, how dear you insult us like that!

  • @chaospoet
    @chaospoet 2 года назад +653

    I'm not even saying this to be funny but just honest. That last one Euripides' Orestes from 408 BC sounds like a an ancient world Power Metal song. I could easily hear that melody with bone crunching electric guitars and drums while someone like Simone Simons from Epica sang it.

    • @maximilianberkowitz4086
      @maximilianberkowitz4086 2 года назад +14

      Turilli/Lione Rhapsody - Zero Gravity

    • @genghiskhan6809
      @genghiskhan6809 2 года назад +14

      I need to hear a metal version of this song now.

    • @shipwreck9146
      @shipwreck9146 2 года назад +14

      @@maximilianberkowitz4086 WOW!!!! I think this shows how we're still the same species that we were thousands of years ago... Such similar melodies.
      Some classical music has similar structures to dubstep, and I always wonder if some classical music producers only made the music they did, because they were limited by the technology of their time.
      Like, imagine if the great composers of the past had today's technology. It'd be amazing what they could create.

    • @n3tw0rk_n3k0
      @n3tw0rk_n3k0 2 года назад +3

      @@maximilianberkowitz4086 the melody actually kinda fits. Awesome

    • @AlexGoldhill
      @AlexGoldhill 2 года назад +13

      Given the subject matter it would fit with Power Metal too.

  • @dimitristripakis7364
    @dimitristripakis7364 Год назад +93

    Wow, as a Greek I never knew that music melodies have been actually preserved, thank you so much. The aulos player was amazing.
    Aulos in Greek = Αυλός ("avlos", with a v) , possibly coming from proto indo european h₂eulos meaning pipe.

    • @A.staris
      @A.staris Год назад +1

      @Dimitris Tripakis OK man but I'm sure once you heroically listened to it all, you then had to listen to an hour of Christos Nikolopoulos & Haroula to get the ancient κατάθλιψη out of your system :) 🇮🇱❤️🇬🇷

    • @perseusarkouda
      @perseusarkouda 2 месяца назад +1

      Εξού και το αυλάκι του νερού.

  • @alberteinsteinthejew
    @alberteinsteinthejew Год назад +180

    It’s amazing that the ancient musical notes are still surviving

    • @StanHowse
      @StanHowse Год назад +2

      Is it? Humans find certain sounds pleasant, certain sounds not, that's been true since day #1. There's only so many musical notes, and there by, only so many coherently sounding melodies one can string together, in not "any", but any pleasing combination. I mean, why do people "how-many" years later still like Bach? We basically just keep adding to our playlist, it's only as of late are we able to pass them down to the later generations.

    • @XxLeCaptainxX
      @XxLeCaptainxX Год назад +10

      @@StanHowse Yes, because in order to make authentic ancient Greek music you need the documentation of rhythm, melody, notation, etc, all of which could only be written on perishable material that's now 2000 years old.

    • @MoontownMoss
      @MoontownMoss Год назад

      Get a room.

  • @b00mnator
    @b00mnator 2 года назад +460

    The Aulos performance at 8:49 brought me to tears... Just imagining that this performance could have actually taken place more than 2000 years ago. Times so different one can't imagine but the people still performing and enjoying these melodies and harmonies just like me right here on my chair. It's just human nature

    • @b00mnator
      @b00mnator 2 года назад +6

      @@adde-j6q Kinda proves my point

    • @katsumiskytower8714
      @katsumiskytower8714 2 года назад +7

      transcending time and space :) you can feel it inside, can't you?

    • @mr-x7689
      @mr-x7689 Год назад +5

      Let me introduce you to the wonderful book called "Motel of the mysteries, by David Macaulay). Once you read it, you would immediately have a different idea of things like this.

    • @choronos
      @choronos Год назад +9

      The times were different but the people experiencing them were the same.

    • @Taima
      @Taima Год назад +3

      I actually figured that was a part that was the least likely to be historically accurate and was more about sounding pleasing to modern ears since it was improv.

  • @Call-me-James
    @Call-me-James 2 года назад +1335

    I love this. Speaking as a Greek, and also an amateur composer, I am really impressed by Athenaeus' Paeon. The music you hear in Greek villages and in the Orthodox church reminds me of what I am hearing here. But a more important thing - something that most people don't know - is that melodies have a much more specific connection to lyrics than people are aware of. If you listen to the music and think about the lyrics, they fit together nicely. This is why I think the reconstruction of the melodies is accurate. Good job!!!

    • @kitcutting
      @kitcutting 2 года назад +64

      We have the Greeks to thank for almost the whole entirety of (Western) music theory - the concepts of intervals, chords, and modes all come from them. I think it's fitting that the Epitaph of Seikilos, an ancient Greek piece, is the oldest complete piece of music we have.

    • @skyj451
      @skyj451 2 года назад +5

      I disagree, i don't like this music at all, it's ugly.

    • @alexeiulinici
      @alexeiulinici 2 года назад +38

      @@skyj451 ok

    • @josephnarvaez9507
      @josephnarvaez9507 2 года назад +26

      @@skyj451 ok

    • @neovxr
      @neovxr 2 года назад +27

      I was just a tourist, but at the bus station to the Knossos palace a very old man was sitting in the heat for hours playing a smaller version of such flute, very similar patterns and sounds.

  • @Rousseau4469
    @Rousseau4469 Год назад +125

    OΜG. As a Greek I have heard literally if not thousands at least hundrends of songs of country music played with clarinet and lute and this music here is as close as it can be with the country music played in today's times. A bit shocked that the main form is kept unchanged for thousands of years.

    • @lo3769
      @lo3769 Год назад +9

      I'm guessing they used what traditional greek music sounds like today, as inspiration to fill the unknown parts, so it's probably not a coincidence

    • @allancerf9038
      @allancerf9038 Год назад +4

      What was hip in 2400 B.C. apparently has stood the test of time.
      When I lived in Athens for a brief time, I indeed heard (and have on many CDs I purchased in Plaka) music that sounds very similar.

    • @bigshrekhorner
      @bigshrekhorner 10 месяцев назад +5

      Yep. In fact, quite a big chunk of what is stereotypically considered arabic or turkish music was greatly influenced by ancient greek and byzantine music. So, the traditional music we have here in Greece isn't Ottoman in origin, rather, it's the direct evolution of music of the past!

  • @julesl6910
    @julesl6910 Год назад +23

    Hendrix on the two pipes is killing it truly what a legend. Everyone else was okay

  • @aristosbywater9605
    @aristosbywater9605 2 года назад +389

    I hope one day I'll be able to see a play of the Iliad and Odyssey to traditional flutes and lyres with a Greek narrator

    • @lewhitey2544
      @lewhitey2544 2 года назад +9

      You will my friend

    • @wpjohn91
      @wpjohn91 Год назад

      It is incomplete i thought?

    • @aristosbywater9605
      @aristosbywater9605 Год назад +30

      @@wpjohn91 Nope, the Iliad and the Odyssey are complete works. We're lucky we have them in complete form. So many other myths never made it

    • @brianaschmidt910
      @brianaschmidt910 Год назад

      Your best bet is AC oddessy.

    • @annwilliams6438
      @annwilliams6438 Год назад

      That would be fantastic.

  • @BlookbugIV
    @BlookbugIV 2 года назад +338

    Even knowing how much is unknowable, experimental archeology can sometimes hit powerfully on an intuitive level. The pipe expert’s improvisation and the idea they played them like bagpipes with air held in the cheeks, struck me as so authentic and true.

    • @acka.
      @acka. 2 года назад +13

      There's a similar instrument, it's called Launeddas and it's played as you say, like a bagpipe with air held in the cheeks, and it sounds like one too. It's a very ancient instrument, and they way it is supposed to be played isn't lost to time, so there's no guesswork going on. Based on the Launeddas I think it's quite likely that the double flute is also supposed to be played like that. I don't know if these people had knowledge of other similar instruments to base their suppositions on, but whether that's the case or not, it's cool that they were able to get there on their own.

    • @urphakeandgey6308
      @urphakeandgey6308 2 года назад +9

      I wish archeologists would consult professionals from other fields more. This is a good example, where the insight of someone who is familiar with similar instruments is very eye-opening.
      Don't get me wrong, they usually do. I just wish they did it more or made it standard procedure. If an archeologist makes a find and is wholly convinced they played an instrument a certain way, then that'll often go in the books even if an instrumentalist can confidently rebut it.
      Another example is the water erosion on the sphinx. Geologists almost unanimously agree it's water erosion and that's it's odd, but they'll rarely "stick their neck out" because some archeologists will just refuse to even acknowledge their expertise.

    • @wombleofwimbledon5442
      @wombleofwimbledon5442 2 года назад +8

      I circle breathe with a didjeridu, and have often compared the experience to being the bagpipe.

  • @stoveone4031
    @stoveone4031 Год назад +4

    3:48 i could listen to this bloke talk all day, the passion with which he speaks is contagious

  • @tin2009tin
    @tin2009tin 2 года назад +30

    Such a noise.... Such an amazing noise... Callum Armstrong plays the sounds of the forests and the wild beasts, the canyon and the herds, the tides that wash out the rocks, the seagulls and the sparrows, the sun that turns the olives liquid a real nectar. So happy, so moved... Thank you

    • @petemavus2948
      @petemavus2948 2 года назад +1

      Witnessing your ecstasy makes me want to clutch my pearls, must I?

    • @bulletsfordinner8307
      @bulletsfordinner8307 Год назад

      Makes your mind travel somewhere

  • @omicroneridani7456
    @omicroneridani7456 2 года назад +209

    Astounding. Especially Callum Armstrong's performance on the aulos: a clean cut on the very fabric of time, a distant and fascinating echo from a remote, mystical past.

  • @LilFrg
    @LilFrg 2 года назад +88

    I wish that improvisation never ended, that was stunningly beautiful. There’s nothing as good as old music

  • @GEORGEGEORGEIII
    @GEORGEGEORGEIII 2 года назад +15

    What we recognize as the classic “Greek plays” were really Operas in everything but name. All spoken words in the “plays” of Sophocles, Aristophanes, Euripides, etc. were all sung, with live music playing.

    • @Iktius
      @Iktius Год назад

      Indeed

    • @nerijusstasiulis5484
      @nerijusstasiulis5484 8 месяцев назад +3

      Opera was an attempt to revive ancient Greek theatre, basically...

  • @cainen6355
    @cainen6355 2 года назад +29

    The music produced by the Aulos is extraordinarily beautiful. Something about this whole style and rythm also by the choir is touching me in a way that I haven't really experienced yet.

    • @steviechampagne
      @steviechampagne Год назад

      It speaks to our DNA. Long lost memories of lives once lived.

    • @mcfarofinha134
      @mcfarofinha134 Год назад +2

      double kazoo, but sounds good

  • @patriciapalmer1377
    @patriciapalmer1377 2 года назад +380

    Passionate and arresting music and lyrics. Listening to a piece that is almost 3000 years old, I spontaneously began imagining the audience of the time, who they were, what they were wearing, and wondering what relationship they were having with it. It is such earthy music that I could almost smell the smells and hear the rustlings and movement of people and all the ambient sound in a theatrical setting. I was very surprised at my active imagination during it and my emotional and cerebral reaction.

    • @maryfrancis111
      @maryfrancis111 2 года назад +1

      Fascinating!

    • @Man_fay_the_Bru
      @Man_fay_the_Bru 2 года назад +5

      American by any chance?

    • @joshl.8950
      @joshl.8950 2 года назад +13

      I think this may be why some of us are more interested in history than maybe some others. Some of us immediately transport back and kind of enter a meditation about what it must have been like. I for one seek that state and it is pleasing to my mind. :)

    • @SergeantSquared
      @SergeantSquared 2 года назад

      How do thus whilst reading to see what those people were hearing sung about.
      By the lyrics I perceived this as a religious propaganda song, and envisioned little children frightened and awed by the spectacle while parents chuckle and pay their religious rites.

    • @michaelbrownlee9497
      @michaelbrownlee9497 2 года назад +6

      I get that feeling when im in old places, or holding old coins, sometimes when im out and about ill get a deja vous moment.

  • @mojeo522
    @mojeo522 3 года назад +289

    I love how the captions for the music is "ancient greek music"

    • @driamhane
      @driamhane 3 года назад +6

      XD ikr..

    • @vasiliskaranos605
      @vasiliskaranos605 2 года назад +3

      I like how they say it is when it’s really not

    • @randomvintagefilm273
      @randomvintagefilm273 2 года назад +5

      What do you know about it

    • @KenneyCmusic
      @KenneyCmusic 2 года назад +1

      What would you use instead to describe ancient music from Greece..?

    • @Prirrie
      @Prirrie 2 года назад

      @@vasiliskaranos605 Why not?

  • @ABC1701A
    @ABC1701A Год назад +4

    There was a CD of reconstructed ancient Greek music put out a couple of decades [1979 according to the CD, I've just checked] ago now, Musique de la Grece Antique, which was reconstructed music from the ancient Greek era - mainly hymns from memory - put together from scraps, often on papyrus, found from that era. Well worth tracking down and listening to for anyone interested in music from that era. There is another featuring music from Rome and another music from countries passed through on the Silk road to China in the times of Marco Polo.

  • @WaterNai
    @WaterNai 2 года назад +36

    I would like to see the chorus and aulos performance again after they have had more time to rehearse. It would have been better had the chorus had the music memorized so that they could watch the conductor. Not only would they have been more synchronized, they could have played more with the mood and dynamics as the conductor was trying to have them do.
    Overall, this program was fascinating. I very much enjoyed the exploration into reconstructing ancient music. Callum Armstrong’s aulos performance was beautiful and moving.

    • @pikaapikachuuu
      @pikaapikachuuu Год назад +6

      I agree, the video was fascinating but I wish they were a little more in sync and in line with the conductor. I feel like I’d have a much clearer idea of how it sounded

    • @Xomby
      @Xomby Год назад +5

      @@pikaapikachuuu and it felt rushed. in almost all folk music there's time for breath. time for the words to breath... after all, even your piper needs to breathe. there's no time for the words to express themselves, little time other than the shouting bits for punctuation or meaning to sink in.
      just felt off. they did fine. but the arranger, I think, needs to dial it all down a bit. felt like they were singing in all caps.

    • @annakareninacamara6580
      @annakareninacamara6580 Год назад

      @@Xomby i felt that too, but assumed it was due to the context (rushing from the Furys, you know).

    • @moviemad56
      @moviemad56 Год назад

      I agree, but I would also like to hear it performed by Greek singers with a profound immersion in the language. Still, kudos to them for attempting something so extraordinarily difficult!

  • @louschwick7301
    @louschwick7301 2 года назад +9

    Such a foreign musical concept, the drone, and yet it was everywhere for thousands of years

  • @dayradebaugh
    @dayradebaugh Год назад +15

    Fascinating to hear how music would have sounded 2500 yrs. ago. Wonderful!

  • @cmcapps1963
    @cmcapps1963 Год назад +6

    My wife and I used to listen to this in Athens and dance on the Agora under the stars. She died in the plague of Pericles. I still think of her whenever I hear this song...

  • @GEOFERET
    @GEOFERET Год назад +13

    Amazing how you achieved to do so much with so little to work with. As a Greek, I was moved, and couldn't help wondering what one of our ancestors would think listening to your recreation. Thank you so much.

  • @IHateThisHandleSystem
    @IHateThisHandleSystem 2 года назад +105

    8:55 thru 10:35 Amazing. Hearing this really adds depth to my imaginings of what life in ancient Greece might have been like.

    • @IHateThisHandleSystem
      @IHateThisHandleSystem 2 года назад +3

      @@adde-j6q Umm, yeah. That just shows how impressive the performance was. You comment also reveals you to be a troll. Piss off troll.

    • @julia.kowalsky
      @julia.kowalsky 2 года назад +1

      @@adde-j6q wow, your comment looks like another bored and annoyed karen

    • @pbjracing14yearsago49
      @pbjracing14yearsago49 2 года назад

      @@adde-j6q wow your comment looks like 10 others I've read

  • @loszhor
    @loszhor 2 года назад +27

    8:17 I was surprised how relaxing those high pitched pipes can be from when I first heard them play earlier in this video!

    • @essenestephanie
      @essenestephanie 2 года назад +1

      Agree.. half way through vid and I see it explained with semi tones pitches on separate flutes for dissonance to be in sync... in a tune. Modern ear panic.

    • @hammersandcaffeinepills
      @hammersandcaffeinepills 2 года назад +2

      The buzzy, loud timbre of the large bore pipes is probably to help aid in protection and volume when accompanying large groups outdoors.

  • @ryanfreer77
    @ryanfreer77 2 года назад +17

    I’ve been fascinated by the Aulos since I first learned about it in the early 90’s. According to the sources I read at the time, it wasn’t understood-at least not well-how both pipes worked together. It’s incredible to see just how much more has been uncovered in just under 30 years. I can’t help but think that despite all this, there were many techniques born from generations of mastery, forever lost in time. All sorts of little tricks and such. Not that the music itself was lost, as professor Armand D’Angour points out.
    Still...I’m interested in what eventually will be discovered/rediscovered yet, and how this instrument can be played to get the most out of it.
    I applaud what this group, and many like them are doing.

  • @andrewjackdaw2511
    @andrewjackdaw2511 Год назад +3

    The Fantastic thing about their concert in the Museum is those statues around them have been witnessed original Ancient Greek music.

  • @stefanosalmpanis5090
    @stefanosalmpanis5090 2 года назад +120

    Brilliant, please consider to study the folk music, especially the Pyrrichion and similar tunes along with the Byzantine music. Both heavily influenced by oriental music but so was the ancient greek music influenced by middle eastern and egyptian music.
    Be aware that ancient Greek music had indeed rythm and harmony but melody was also very important.
    Thank you for an amazing feat!

    • @rrocketman
      @rrocketman 2 года назад +10

      Byzantine music is beautiful 👍

    • @avalondreaming1433
      @avalondreaming1433 2 года назад +8

      I was thinking that there are probably similar songs still being played today by folk musicians and you can find clues to what the ancient music sounded like.

    • @silvermorona
      @silvermorona 2 года назад +3

      Why is everyone obsessed with talking about what influenced ancient Greece/Rome but not what influenced byzantine, ancient Egyptian or Middle Eastern cultures.

    • @rrocketman
      @rrocketman 2 года назад +10

      @@silvermorona I thought lots of people were interested in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia. Byzantium was a continuation of Greece and Rome so it's more relevant to this video 👍

    • @pablogats4627
      @pablogats4627 Год назад

      @@silvermorona i guess its hard to believe a group of people could accomplish and achieve as much as the greeks/romans did

  • @dixgun
    @dixgun 2 года назад +46

    Interesting to learn the process that goes into the beautiful rhythms, sounds and melodies. That rhythm seems to be the rhythm of the ancient world and still very much in use today from India to Portugal.

  • @Paisly_
    @Paisly_ 2 года назад +11

    I really like how the 2021 Dune movie gave the Atreides music an ancient greek sound like this, as in the books they trace their heritage back to the greeks of earth.

  • @NoBudgetBits-
    @NoBudgetBits- Год назад +13

    This is fantastic! How lucky we are that there is such amazing musical scholarship. A chance to experience what has for so long been lost until now. There is such humanity and visceral connection in hearing this beautiful, dramatic and almost familiar music. Wow!

  • @noricoco4695
    @noricoco4695 3 года назад +26

    9:10 this guy is incredible

  • @AnyoneCanSee
    @AnyoneCanSee 2 года назад +112

    I loved this, thank you. I particularly found what Callum Armstrong was playing to be absolutely beautiful and evocative. He brilliantly shows how the two pipes were used together to create a full musical experience. Perhaps, this way of playing developed so one person could give a performance and make a little money on his own or so one musician could accompany a bard singing at a performance.

  • @HerrW0lf
    @HerrW0lf Год назад +1

    I love the enthusiasm of the piper, you can really tell that he absolutely loves what he's doing.

  • @PPYTAO
    @PPYTAO Год назад +2

    I loved hearing the piper explain the pipes, the whole thing was great!

  • @siegfriedkleinmartins7816
    @siegfriedkleinmartins7816 2 года назад +4

    The fact that I did not looked for this - but I loved it - is the proof the algorithm is becoming concious.
    I' m a music teacher and more than 20 years ago did a research about the hidraulis, the water organ created by Ctesibios, circa third century BC. The research was for a column on a choir newspaper (this year the ACC choir completes 80 years of existence).
    Too many coincidences.....
    Thanks. Greetings from Brasil.

  • @barefootarts737
    @barefootarts737 2 года назад +12

    I wonder how much air is required for those reeds. He makes the breathing look so easy. Incredible talent.

  • @dreamancyfilms
    @dreamancyfilms Год назад +1

    The guy playing both pipes without stop. THE TECHNIQUE IS SICK!!! and I play the biggest bigpipes out there.

  • @jacktribble5253
    @jacktribble5253 2 года назад +7

    A a musician myself, having the rhythms, instruments and melodies does not mean you have the "Music." That means you have a place in the ballpark. I'm not trying to diminish this work, I love that people are out there doing this, I'm saying he is overstating what can realistically be done here. Unless you have a direct audio recording, you can't attempt to reproduce style. Clinically trained musicians are absolutely great, but they are generally mathematical. They will play what they see and be very logical about it, attitude doesn't figure into it. Don't even get me started on local styles...

  • @Enshadowed
    @Enshadowed 2 года назад +92

    callum's performance on the louvre aulos was truly evocative of the spirit of those ancient times. *8:56 & 9:40

    • @tomashampl5899
      @tomashampl5899 2 года назад +9

      I was touched by the rich and wonderful sound and i sad to myself that only the vicinity of gods can provide such experience. I believe that this is the music that ancient people listened, loved and considered it the divine.

    • @teodoraroosevelt
      @teodoraroosevelt 2 года назад +8

      It almost teared me up and it's an improvisation. He is so talented.

  • @willymakeit5172
    @willymakeit5172 2 года назад +5

    My fifth and sixth grade teacher Miss Parrot gave me such a love of Ancient Greek history. Thank you for bringing the music/poetry to life.

    • @hosephanerothe1440
      @hosephanerothe1440 Год назад

      Wasnt sure how this comment was going to go. Pleased to see it was wholesome

    • @willymakeit5172
      @willymakeit5172 Год назад

      @@hosephanerothe1440 took me a minute. I don’t know is Miss Parrot was familiar with such things.

  • @Inkubun
    @Inkubun 2 года назад +6

    I can tell where the passion is in the recreation of this kind of music. It really does almost feel like I'm in ancient Greece. This is wonderful.

  • @geokon3
    @geokon3 Год назад +1

    As a Greek I love that you try to recreate our ancient music, thought I can't help feeling that the Erasmian pronunciation sounds foreign and wrong, even incomprehensible

  • @gs7256
    @gs7256 2 года назад +4

    After these comments I really appreciate your effort for reconstruction of Greek ancient music..
    Magic..travel in time…

  • @booboobunny5655
    @booboobunny5655 2 года назад +38

    This is so cool, you're literally bringing history to life! 👏👏

  • @Megalesios
    @Megalesios Год назад +6

    It sounds a lot more medieval than I would have expected

  • @jimmythompson5822
    @jimmythompson5822 2 года назад +4

    Imagine 2000 years from now a bunch of future music nerds will be trying to decipher WAP

  • @marcaskew61
    @marcaskew61 2 года назад +7

    An impressive cumulative result of scholarly classical research, musicology and musicianship.

  • @driamhane
    @driamhane 3 года назад +15

    If dissonance is coming back, Imma be alive for it...
    Man these Greeks..

  • @louprentz8554
    @louprentz8554 Год назад +4

    How fantastic are their efforts and accomplishments

  • @dashiellgillingham4579
    @dashiellgillingham4579 2 года назад +22

    From what I’ve heard, the continuous drone had as much significance to classical and medieval musical traditions as the beat does in modern music. Something about trying to capture all that music was or could be in a single perfect note.

    • @eccer
      @eccer 2 года назад

      Hell yes :) Have you listened to Swans? Go and listen to "The Glowing Man" song and "The Knot" song. They really embody just what you said there...of course many other artists do this. But swans reaaaally hit that perfect note on those songs and hammers you with them

  • @ihateregistrationbul
    @ihateregistrationbul 5 лет назад +19

    1:05 Guy's like we got this.

  • @oscaroscar7904
    @oscaroscar7904 2 года назад +2

    Ahh takes me back miss those days, i feel old now

  • @kathleenc8810
    @kathleenc8810 Год назад +1

    Callum plays mind blowing sounds! It brought tears to my eyes!

  • @jayneneewing2369
    @jayneneewing2369 2 года назад +15

    Thank you for making this available to the masses. I am grateful for the study and application of historic knowledge with current archeology. Both fascinating, and wondrous.

  • @duanjisomar
    @duanjisomar 2 года назад +38

    This actually is the same tune i had in my mind. The only thing missing here are the big drums and the tambourines. Im half greek turk, half scottish and filipino. The tempo not always fast, for it is used to tell stories and invite crowds.

    • @TP-om8of
      @TP-om8of Год назад +5

      Well you can’t be 1/2 Turk, 1/2 Scotch and 1/2 Filipinx. You must be 1/3 of each.

    • @steakfilly5199
      @steakfilly5199 Год назад +2

      Did you just say “scotch” 💀💀💀
      And “Filipinx” 💀💀💀

    • @TP-om8of
      @TP-om8of Год назад +1

      @@steakfilly5199 Aye!

    • @jaicabardo4357
      @jaicabardo4357 Год назад +1

      ​@@TP-om8of We call ourselves Filipino. The Filipinx term only came about because of UCLA.

    • @TP-om8of
      @TP-om8of Год назад

      @@jaicabardo4357 Transphobe! Racist!

  • @honeybee6858
    @honeybee6858 2 года назад +2

    Wonder if they all got all hyped up when a popular song was played “this my jam , let’s twirl ..” really wish I could go back just for one party and experience it .

  • @rorus9530
    @rorus9530 Год назад +3

    They've given us a small window into ancient history. How wonderful.

  • @Cnichal
    @Cnichal 2 года назад +20

    My heart started pounding when the double piper was playing 😍😍😍
    The rhythm feels familiar like I’ve heard it a thousand times. Like it was my whole heart - crazy

  • @InstigationFixation
    @InstigationFixation 2 года назад +4

    Holy crap. That flautist is really enthusiastic.

  • @shamsheed1726
    @shamsheed1726 Год назад +1

    Over 2000 years and this still slaps

  • @DrunkenerWitcher
    @DrunkenerWitcher Год назад +2

    Thinking of all pieces of ancient art gone forever I just want to cry

  • @z0h33y
    @z0h33y 2 года назад +44

    This was really cool to watch. The final performance with the double flute sounded a lot like a kazoo. Callum Armstrong's performance was beautiful though!

  • @silviaargent551
    @silviaargent551 2 года назад +4

    Music soothes the soul …Greeks knew this all these years ago!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼Love this👍🏼

  • @jackhartford521
    @jackhartford521 2 года назад +2

    That is just mind bogglingly interesting, to be re-creating a song written on a papyrus leaf 2400 years ago.

  • @gooman989898
    @gooman989898 2 года назад +1

    Callum is absolutely DOMINATING the bi-flute. Would be great to see him loosen up and go on tour with this insane Greek posse

  • @connorhalleck2895
    @connorhalleck2895 2 года назад +10

    interesting how dissonant the older music sounds to modern ears

  • @snowmiaow
    @snowmiaow 2 года назад +3

    Brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for your efforts.

  • @JonJenkins1982
    @JonJenkins1982 Год назад

    That piper dude at 03:46... I wish I loved anything as much as that guy loves ancient Greek wind instruments.

  • @jamestarrou3685
    @jamestarrou3685 Год назад

    @3:50 this man speaks about his instrument with such passion and amusement.

  • @musicloverlondon6070
    @musicloverlondon6070 2 года назад +82

    This was absolutely fascinating! The pipers were particularly impressive, especially Calum Armstrong. That breathing technique must take a lot of work to master successfully and produce that tone, duration and smoothness of sound.
    Watching the different performers, I was somewhat reminded of Christian monastic singing (Kithara section) and even the Irish uilleann pipes during moments of the aulos section. Loved it; thanks for uploading!

  • @folgore1
    @folgore1 Год назад +8

    Impressive. I've always wondered what ancient music sounded like and I had assumed it was lost to time. I assumed the ancients had not developed anything comparable to modern sheet music. I'm impressed that scholars with a keen eye like Professor D'Angour have been able to rediscover ancient music through surviving texts. I wonder if there's anything similar for the Romans?

  • @kelleygreengrass
    @kelleygreengrass Год назад +3

    This is awesome! I feel connected to the ancients. This is really really cool

  • @nicolasmimouni1582
    @nicolasmimouni1582 2 года назад +24

    2000 years without hearing this music is not enough

    • @Plantdaddygardenman
      @Plantdaddygardenman 2 года назад +7

      I think they got the tempo wrong, the people are singing too fast and the tempo is off

    • @CommonSenz
      @CommonSenz 2 года назад +7

      @@Plantdaddygardenman not quite your tempo, is it?

    • @jdkostykmusic3847
      @jdkostykmusic3847 2 года назад +2

      😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

  • @oliversmith9200
    @oliversmith9200 2 года назад +9

    I've played at once soprano and alto recorders for decades, inspired by aulos playing shown in ancient art. What a surprise now to hear the reedy low tones produced by the authentic instrument, and to learn of it's particular nature. It sounds much like the crumhorn. Not to mention: This is Greek music!

    • @vasiliskaranos605
      @vasiliskaranos605 2 года назад

      This is not authentic and not Greek

    • @WilliamRing45
      @WilliamRing45 2 года назад +1

      @@vasiliskaranos605 how do you know? An assertion without explanation/evidence is worthless.

    • @vasiliskaranos605
      @vasiliskaranos605 2 года назад +4

      @@WilliamRing45 I am Greek and a musician. I know western, Byzantine, and Greek music theory and I play/sing all three types on multiple instruments and vocally. Let me tell you this: 1) their pronunciation is atrocious. No Greek speaker would be able to realize that they’re speaking Greek, and most know what Ancient Greek sounds like because it’s the liturgical language of the Greek Orthodox Church which 90% of Greek are part of. And it is historically inaccurate. 2) Theoretically speaking, this music ignores the ancient Pythagorean music theory which was the basis of all music in the area. It is preformed by notes and melodies, ignoring the modes in which the music was written. It is also sung with classical western vocal technique. The result is horrible. The way they would sing is closer to the way that Byzantine chant (a tradition that is the direct successor of Ancient Greek music that is still in use today with an uninterrupted history of preservation and passing down by generation) is sung. They are also signing it with western intervals, while Ancient Greek music and even Greek music from 100 years ago is microtonal, with specific notes that are in between the 12 notes of the western scale. Changing those notes changes the whole listening experience and image that the music puts in your head. The same applies for Byzantine music. There are countless performances of Byzantine music which are sung with the same mistakes that this is sung. It’s just not the same music as the one that is preformed by the authentic practitioners that have learned it from teachers which have learned from their teachers going back generations, rather than those non Greeks who study it scholarly and without seeking any information or source from Greeks and real Byzantine chanters. 3) the aulos (pipes) is played with harmonies or different Melodies on each pipe, while originally the melody was played on one pipe and the other pipe played a drone note which stayed the same to provide a base for the other pipe. This practice still exists in Byzantine music as the ison, which is someone who sings one note continually as the base for the actual melody. It’s not harmony or polyphony. Both those things were introduced in Western Europe in the Catholic Church in the late Middle Ages. So the way that this aulos player plays the instrument is unauthentic. Long story short, this is classical western music adapted to what non Greek scholars think ancient music sounded like plus wrong pronunciation. The end result is not good and it’s misleading and westernized.

    • @WilliamRing45
      @WilliamRing45 2 года назад +2

      @@vasiliskaranos605 request amply fulfilled! I think they need you at Oxford.

    • @siegfriedkleinmartins7816
      @siegfriedkleinmartins7816 2 года назад +2

      @@vasiliskaranos605 I must agree with you Mr Karanos. I' m a music teacher and the harmonies they used sound more west cristian, middle age, than from old Greece. But is undeniable the exquisite tecnique of the aulos player and the beauty of the piece.
      Greetings from Brasil.

  • @ziamarie
    @ziamarie 2 года назад +1

    I just got done watching a video about what music would've sounded like in Ancient Rome and thought it was awesome but this takes the cake. Amazing work by all!

  • @_Jitterbug
    @_Jitterbug 2 года назад +1

    I love how passionate the piper is! Wish i had the same dedication for something like that!

  • @maryfrancis111
    @maryfrancis111 2 года назад +5

    Fasinating! Totally new to me. Thank you, Oliver, for introducing me to this music.

  • @williamdiffin28
    @williamdiffin28 2 года назад +7

    Bravo! Superb work. This music must have been absolutely spellbinding in its time, and the contemporary work on it begins to calculate its significance in the development of music. Of course, this opens up a whole new genre of 'classical' music, not merely of reconstructions of ancient music, but of entirely new compositions based on Ancient Greek epic poetry in an authentically ancient style. And then there are the parallels with the development of Ancient Indian and other World music to be drawn, and the natural principles common to each. You can keep Classicists, musicologists, music archaeologists, research students and musicians in jobs for generations with this work. Bravo!

  • @danielgillespie9684
    @danielgillespie9684 2 года назад +4

    Thank you for this glimpse through the veil of time. I got goose bumps. I think we need to be reminded that people who came before us were just as smart and just as (maybe more) emotionally intelligent as we “modern” folks.

    • @steviechampagne
      @steviechampagne Год назад

      far more intelligent and wise in the true workings of reality and the human conditions

  • @joanjetson55
    @joanjetson55 4 месяца назад +1

    Very informative. Thank you!

  • @olbiomoiros
    @olbiomoiros 3 года назад +7

    Wow! Great work! Mad respect to those playing the pipe.

  • @randomvintagefilm273
    @randomvintagefilm273 2 года назад +3

    These are amazing people, all so good at what they do and with such passion! Fascinating to watch

  • @BarnDoorProductions
    @BarnDoorProductions Год назад +2

    Simply astonishing. Almost literally the dust from ancient dry stones brought to life.

  • @alessandrorossini8704
    @alessandrorossini8704 Год назад

    Beautiful, great job, really great and of the utmost importance for us all...

  • @MrVara411
    @MrVara411 2 года назад +4

    Loved the aulos player. He's really into it and explained it well. Fascinating video overall!

  • @michaelfaulkner6607
    @michaelfaulkner6607 2 года назад +4

    Wonderful! Loved the sound of the Louvre aulos. The singing of the kithara player sounded as if it could be a precursor to Gregorian chant.

  • @mohammedosman4902
    @mohammedosman4902 Год назад

    that was amazing. Especially the flute playing with circular breathing

  • @Sxcheschka
    @Sxcheschka Год назад

    Sheesh that was sooo good, I love reconstructions of ancient music soooo much!!!

  • @tylerfoss3346
    @tylerfoss3346 Год назад +3

    The Golden Oldies of Ancient Greece. The top of Alexander's chart....music that rocked the world 🌎

  • @haazeMAX
    @haazeMAX Год назад +7

    I find it hard to believe the tempo and the dramatic style of singing in these interpretations has not been influenced and skewed towards later Christian and modern music. Cool flutes.

    • @Abdal-RahmanI
      @Abdal-RahmanI Год назад

      And why wouldn't it be the other way around?