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One of the best things I like about Edvard is how he seems to set "certain forum moderators and fan boy's" hair on fire without even talking to them directly! Truly entertaining. 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the shoutout Kasey , haha! I've been watching you since 2018 xt3 times, Sometimes I go to sleep playing one of your videos haha and you kinda inspired me to make videos about cameras. I have only one word for you : TONEH
On this shoot the 85mm looks great and you really look separate from the background and it's got that 3D look to me. You have depth in front of the backround to me.
Your Nikon footage always looks best. I don’t understand your criticisms of it looking too clinical or sometimes not having “3d pop “. It’s by far the best-looking footage!
Just hating just to hate Nikon like most of these RUclipsrs, plus he doesn't know what is talking about, most 85s are slow, smh, but this one def. ain't slow, smh
He is a weird contrarian who thinks having shit opinions or demanding broad accommodations for niche things is a comedy routine. Watch for the entertainment, don't watch for actual hardware advice.
@@f.iph7291 I know it is comedy but at the same time it is misleading, the AF problems is a thing if the past when it comes to Nikon and videos like this make people believe that Nikon's AF is still bad, smh
@@elpoutre2522 you're thinking of Mexico. They're still trying to keep Canadians out and rightly so. Pitiable people but you just have to look at them and you know that maybe the Phrenologists were onto something.
@@harryflashman4542 i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about friend. I’m gonna rewatch Southpatk S15e3 again as it suit my views very well buddy.
The AF is really good, actually. I would say better than my Z6 II. And the footage from 40/2 looks really good. Especially considering how small and cheap this lens is.
I have the Nikkor 50mm f1.2 and it is by far my favourite lens. The character it has and how it renders the out of focus area and light are just beautiful.
This was fun, thanks! Regarding "3D pop": this impression results at 70% from how the scene is lit and what colours are in the frame (clothing, sky, surroundings), 20% about background separation (aperture vs focal length vs distance to subject) and 10% or less about optical design. You did not do yourself (or us) any favours by doing this exercise on a windy semi-cloudy day, with constant changes from sun to shade. I have yet to meet a lens that consistently brings me "3D pop" independently from the light, colours and aperture. For the rest, thanks for the show, it was informative and entertaining. :)
It is incredibly difficult to do a fair test between lenses, especially because aperture is the "wrong number". The real number is "Transmission" used by cinema lenses, because it accounts for light lost through the optical path. Even so, any test between two lenses should be done at the same aperture (which will only be approximate), ISO and shutter speed. Otherwise, the footage will be wildly different and we are comparing apples to oranges. IMO-YMMV. But this is not an equipment review channel in the same lines as Christopher Frost or Gerald Undone. It's a guy having fun with his camera gear and with us.
Maybe you should try a Batis 25mm f2.0 it has holographic 3dpop. You`ll notice instantly, if you don`t you will never see it because some people just don`t have the eyes. Besides, you got your percentages completely wrong, 3d pop is 95% lens, it`s there or it`s not.
The 50mm f1.8 has a ton of character - swirly bokeh, a ton of pop, same with 40mm F2. The pro glass is clinical, because it's primary purpose is different.
@@giannagiavelli5098 I like the 135 DC even better. Not sure what the negative (F) setting is for. It looks terrible when you turn it that way. But crank it to the R and you are in dreamland.
40 2.0 looks really nice. I should use it more. And as far as the special look of the Canon 85...yes it was special with horrid magenta tones and aberrations.
We are talking about fidelity (3D Pop) vs. bokeh. Lens character truly makes a difference. We know Zeiss and Leica produce it but also my Voigtlanders 40mm|2 and 58mm|1.4 these lenses are manual focus, but the images they produce for portraiture is unmatched My sigma Art 35mm|1.4 on my D3 was unmatched when it came to image sharpness and good bokeh. But once i converted to black +white the image fell flat on its face. I would have to apply heavy contrast and clarity to get the image to look better. The B/W from the Voits were simply unmatched. The tonality from white to black was very apparent. The imaGe fidelity is true to form. What can be seen on a 4K monitor is mind-blowing in print.
Dynamic steady shot on Sony ZVE1 has a lot of jitters at 24 fps. I realized you have to raise the shutter speed to get rid of the extra blur. I want A7s3.
I have the Z 28/2.8 and compared it to my F-Mount 28/1.8G and... the Z has less CA but they look really similar. Love my Z70-200/2.8 though that thing is amazing, I have the 1.4x and 2.0x TCs for it too.
I love clinical and sharp look of Z glass and top Nikon mirrorless cams. If you want blurry mush there are hundreds of thousands of moldy $40 lenses on eBay to stuff all the blurry, inaccurate mush into your eyeballs you could ever want. Also: it's easy to soften a clinical image all you like but impossible to get a back to a clinical image when you shot using a blurry garbage lens.
Theres a difference between objectively bad mushy lenses, and lenses that are sharp centrally but then have falloff towards the corner with excellent contrast(see basically any zeiss lens). Modern lenses tend to be sharp across the entire frame from wide open which prevents that pleasing falloff and the extra elements used tend to reduce contrast. Theres times and places for both types of lenses.
It’s not to do with sharpness. It’s a clinical look where bokeh falloff is ruined due to multiple aspherical elements and in z lenses those elements are not hand polished properly (to save production cost) so they have micro grooves unlike Leica glass. Even $400 Leica 70s glass is sharper than Nikon z glass. The problem is also the optical formula I.e. too complicated.
@@18yearsoldnot 100%, the 85mm here in particular made kasey look like he was on a green screen, no depth to the bokeh. And just to be clear, lenses can have aspherical elements that still look good, I think in this case there's just way too many elements in general (15 apparently). Like the 40mm looked good, it has 2 aspherical elements but only 6 total and was far more pleasing
@@CianMcsweeneyfair point. Also it doesn’t get more mushy than at f1.2 😂. I guess it’s to hide all that busy bokeh from the complicated design. What’s the point in a sharp lens when you’re going to shoot that wide open…. All that extra weight for what… That’s why I got a sigma fp with a 90mm Leica tele elmarit for much less money and half the size and weight as well
A microfiber cloth that has never been used or washed works, but use the bulb to blow gunk off first. A tiny bit of distilled water (keep it in a washed eye-drops bottle) can help if something is stuck on the lens. At home, q-tips and distilled water is better yet. Only dampen the q-tip, never wet. The coatings on lenses can be damaged by a metal or hard plastic button, by saliva, and any of a number of other things. It there is sand on the lens, rubbing it with anything is like using sandpaper on it. The angry photographer has a nice lens cleaning video. You have to be careful about lens cleaning videos because half of them are loaded with terrible advice that will damage your lens.
@@randomframe3436 not sure there's any way to objectively measure 3D Pop. After hearing about it on this channel, I went down the rabbit hole for a bit and it mostly seems to come down to individual taste/perception. Google "Lens Feature Search: Number of elements" and see dprevew forum disccussion on the element count question, for one example.
Whehey! Thanks for the interesting reply to my query. I think we're all moving the goalposts constantly but it's also good to stop sometimes and take stock of how far we've come.
It depends on your route. If you go via Antarctica, you cross the arctic ocean and the Bering sea (or maybe Chukchi). I imagine if you picked carefully you could cross them all.
Greetings from Argentina! Yes, your camera will be stolen. No, you don't need to cross an ocean to get here, Casey. Just follow the Pan-American highway all the way down south.
Lmao. He won't make it an hour into Mexico without being robbed if he's filming. I'd hide the camera all of the time until you know nobody can see you filming.
I love the 40f2. Such an amazing lens! So cheap but punch a ton! I love the 24-70f4 too for the compactness and sharpness at all focals. The 50 1.8 or 85 1.8 will be next!
When you first don't succeed, try try again! Looked so much better this time! I did not see any hunting! Fantastic advise! Always entertaining and "Grounded" in reality! Thanks Kasey for sharing your vast array of knowledge and expertise!
There are professional photographers who prefer macro lenses for portraits of beautiful women because they are sharper than other lenses. Nikon has a record of great macro lenses. A very early one so sharp you could shave with it was the 55mm AIS. Along the same lines, the 60mm Micro was a ludicrous bargain and a great general purpose lens. And the 200mm f4 Micro is absolutely legendary.
Thank you for the genuinely entertaining content. I just ordered my first camera. I got an r6mii with the 24-105mm 2.8. Is this overkill for my first setup and does it make me a spoiled little biotch? Did I mess up? I need answers, please! The biophotons have abandoned me
Hi, after you get your F to Z adapter, you may want to sell the 85Z and buy some Nikon G primes instead. 24/1.4,, 35/1.4 and 85/1.4 have that pop you are after. You can probably buy all three used for the same price.
Well, you can always make a clinical image artistic, but you can't make an artistic image clinical. The 85f1.8 S is wonderful, and reasonable for what it is. All Z lenses should have had VR just because the 16-50DXVR does.
Good point. Sort of like recording audio clean and neutral, then coloring it later. If you color it on the recording, then you’re stuck with it for better or worse
honestly with the 85 the compression gets weird at full body. Never occurred to me for stills, but for video it seems to bother me. 28 or 40 was the sweet spot
Even though you were recording on a tripod the video looked solidly stable considering all the wind that was hitting the camera. Did you have something blocking the wind or was it just the camera stabilization correcting it? Or did you have a lot to correct in post?
Dunno the proper terminology but does the Nikon footage tend toward green? The Canon footage was very brown IMO, so the two side by side to my eye both looked very wrong. That said the 40mm T2 was best to my failing untrained eyes.
@@cameraconspiracies understood, and I tried to account for brown leaves and green grass, but I see those color shifts in gray too, and on different monitors. Perhaps it's just me.
@@ak4good Depends on look you are going for but yeah. I was just in the woods on a hike, sooo much green light being thrown around. Makes full foliage summer least fav time for photography and video.
I'm sorry but clinical is the trend for all brands... Fuji included with 33mm or 18mm I don't think it's a bad thing since for all brands you can adapt old lenses... What about people doing landscape or astrophotography ? They must be plenty happy with theses lenses 😉
@@brugj03 which gm lens are you referring to? gm 85 is from 2016 and "only" 1.4. new sony lenses are also clinically sharp like the 50 gm 1.2! when saying a lens has caracter, it means flaws like CA. the only flaws sony lenses have is focus breathing and distortion that is corrected in body the keep them small.
@@josejuncal9342 The 1.2 is as flat as a pancake.The 1.4s are really nice and have some 3dpop. I`d say the character of 1.4 gmasters is that they are near perfect without being clinical and boring. Sony has breathing compensation on the newer bodies.
Yeah, that 40mm was nice. If I was going Nikon for photographic prints of still lifes and English landscapes for large 16 x 20 prints to sell in my gallery, I'd go with a set of those f1.8 primes. And I'd use an old Z7 because it has so many megapixels and screw features of newer Nikons. That 85mm f1.2 looks like one of those wedding photographer lenses. Here's the happy couple kissing and everything else in the universe is out of focus. Isn't that unique?
If you haven't checked it out yet, the Yongnuo 85mm f1.8 is surprisingly good (to me) at $369 greenbacks. I don't understand assessing 3D pop, although I do kind of think I saw some in the 28mm in this video, and maybe the 40. The 85 looks good to me, but not 3 grand worth of good. I don't think it's better than the Yongnuo really.
my favorite look was the 28mm prime. and the 85mm when it was wide open (you looked like an hologram). but it is hard to compare as there was no sun with the 85mm so the image was very flat. also I think you generally overexpose your footage a bit, and that is part of the reason the 28mm prime footage looked more intresting. it was less overexposed. you wanna try let the shadows wrap around your face or your silhouette in the shot, to the point where it falls off into black. that is how you look more 3d. if you overexpose (or do not slightly under-expose in some instances) you mitigate this effect and the image looks more flat (although the istogram probably looks better, but f@#k the istogram).
One could argue that his little Sony (I think maybe it's a HDR-AS15, but I don't remember. I have one of those and it looks like his) is a camcorder format machine. But Marcus would greatly prefer the CX-405, and his videos about that camcorder are compelling. But even more so, Marcus would suggest the RX-100 series, which are his true loves. And not camcorder shaped at all.
19:04 😂 you’re the best. Barefoot in The Brickworks, probably more broken bricks per square inch than anywhere in Canada. And like the other guy says, don’t know why yer all bent outta shape over the Nikon. More pop than S Korea….
I have my zfc at +5 focus speed. Its really accurate. Walking towards or away from the camera and it almost never hunts. And if you go out of the frame and come in again it catches my eye instantly. Ive been doing videos with it for my channel for two years and never have i ever been out of focus
What ? You don't like the Nikon 85 1.2 ? I love that lens. The 1.2 is so beautiful. Why did you not like the 85. Still watching your video perhaps you will say.
I don't see the point in replicating the same "uncorrected" lenses of old, which are already mostly available. And for what it's worth, clinically sharp lenses are excellent for landscapes, nightscapes and macro.
All mirrorless lenses meticulously design their optical architecture to accommodate the higher megapixel count in new camera bodies, resulting in exceptionally sharp and precise photos. The increasing demand for video has greatly influenced lens design, leading to significantly faster focusing speeds. The narrative effectively highlights the key differences between film-based optics and modern optical systems while maintaining a neutral stance on their superiority. Autistic parallels are more fitting than technical ones, as mirrorless lenses and film optics have distinct purposes. It's important to mention that a mirrorless lens is not optically inherently better than film optics, as they each have their own distinct creative and artistic uses.
If you use the green bar and soft 2x1in cotton wheel, you should make 10,000 grit polish. The glass hardness is easily a 4 compare to a casio 0.8. You just push the green line back and forth for half an hour. It really on cuts the handicapped zone, then your at 0.00001 hardness vs a 4 hardness, but 3d pop means afaik 2D. The astro glide does nothing at all. it's vasoline, thats how you put lamile door ramp moon base door stop, only need to modulate the shipping containers in star trek with hf to vhf as superconductor, get in my buggy, of course your jesting.
I'm really sorry, but videographers who think that the lens determines the look, they just probably don't understand that much, it's best to have a lens that collects all the data in an optimal way and determine the look using lighting art and color correction..
Z mount cameras accept all the lenses I own from multiple other mount systems. Z mount glass OTOH adapts to no other camera mount. Zero chance I’m blowing good money on Z mount lenses that are still facing the realistic possibility of being orphaned.
I highly doubt Nikon will ditch z mount for at least a couple of decades lol. It's not Canon m mount. They put a lot into the design of the mount for that exact reason of being able to adapt anything to Nikon. They are just getting started with the z mount...
EXACTLY TODAY I decided to sell my 35 1.8, 50 1.8 and 85 1.8 because I just don't use them anymore but rather some 7artisans/TTartisans faster glass that I just adore. The only thing I'd miss is the VR and weight, maybe 😄
Think carefully before doing that: those three f/1.8 lenses are stunningly good! It is always possible to get great lenses to look artsy or funky (with diffusion filters while shooting or by fiddling in post), it is impossible to get funky lenses to look great. You'll soon realise that the ultra fast cheapies are one trick poneys. After a couple of months you'll get bored with the swirls and bubbles and glows and fringing. You'll regret throwing out the great ones. Just add an Helios or similar to your current set for the occasional fun.😊
@@brusselssprout1 I know what you mean but I'm already thinking for that for 2 years and I always go out with the manual ones and love them way mlre. They are cheap but not crappy-cheap. 7artisans 50mm 1.05 is proven already one of the best for its price. Also TTartisan 90mm 1.25. The Z glass is amazing, no doubt about it but I always lean to one of those. And I need money which is the main reason, haha. I become birder anyway so that's why I don't use the wider lenses much. Left the city, I don't like people much anymore so no chances to become portrait photographer anymore while my whole house needs reinovation and stuff. 😁
Notifications going nuts for the new Sigma 28-45mm f1.8 reviews dropping while I’m watching this. I hope Gerald Undone got a guernsey for that one otherwise it’s gonna be ugly.
I was at the Nikon stand at the Photography Show chatting to a couple of the reps where they had the "pro" lenses. I asked: “Is it just me, or is the 85/1.2 a bit disappointing?” The reps were aghast: “ l think it’s you - I've never met anyone who wasn’t blown away by it” “Well I only tried it for 10-15 minutes at a Nikon roadshow, but I found the focussing a bit slow, and very hit and miss. When it did manage to focus, image quality is good but not spectacular, so I bought the Plena.” “If you're comparing it to the Plena then of course it’s not as good. Not even close." I'm sure there are many people who are very pleased with their 85/1.2 and for them it is worth every penny, but for me, I think the main problem with it is that the 85/1.8 is sooooooo good for sooooooo much less. In fact the Z 85/1.8 is faster in practice than the F- mount 85/1.4 G I had previously since the Z lens is acceptably sharp at f/1.8, whereas the G lens needed stopping down to at least f/2 and ideally more.
Yeah they wouldn’t understand. They’re fanatics and marketers. Same reason why Justin bieber is more successful than Mozart. Photographers need to be more educated
Nikons 85 1.2 is the best portrait lens I’ve ever used. Including the Plena (too limited of focal length), all the legendary EF and F mount lenses, voightlander (my second favs) and Uber expensive Leica lenses. It’s really quick to focus. Not sure what you experienced but it has no problem keeping up with dogs running at full speed.
The 85 at 1.2 looked ridiculous, way too much toneh. I say sell that thing if you're not using it wide open.. may as well use the kit lens. The 40 looked good though.
This is what consumers wanted. Some photographers especially the new ones focus on lens sharpness and bokeh. Older lenses may have been less sharp but had more character. With all the glass and coating to remove. Unwanted CaR. And flare, ghosting etc. Now you have flat and sharp images.
"Clinical" really just means accurate. Put something beautiful in front of a "Clinical" lens, and guess what, it's beautiful! Sharp is a precondition for "3-D pop" which is another name for micro-contrast. Not sharp? Micro contrast cannot possibly be good. Also, I have never seen a camera lens that had good contrast but not good micro-contrast. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but I am not too sure what could cause that. Mist filters reduce sharpness. This is a good thing for older women who would prefer not to have every wrinkle look like it was ironed in with a can of Niagara spray starch, or men in general (we're hideous, I need mist filters stacked for my portrait). Quite frankly, I don't care what lens you are using. But you should keep churning over it, because it's one of the things that makes this channel funny. BTW, "The Angry Photographer" LOVES Tamron SP primes. Don't believe me? Look at his reviews. I like them too.
All I want to know; is what tripod setup you were using on such a windy day? Dam, that was a stable shot. Not a hint of tripod movement. Return the f/1.2 (build for artwork and highend portraiture) and get the f1.8 instead. Will be much better for the kind of videos you do. For the money you save, get yourself, or your girlfriend, something nice.
3D pop is hugely overrated. Casey geography inserted an ocean between north and south America 😂 DJI Action 1 was a pretty decent action cam. Footage was decent quality.
Deciding between a Fuji and a Canon just shows the person has no values, like how do you even consider a Canon body as someone interested in Fuuj, one looks like a toy, the other is the definition of sacrificing function for pure aesthetics and emotion. And don't even get me started on the slow mo, Canon R8 stops at 180fps, embarrassing, get that X-S20 with 240fps
I like cilantro. I’ve heard there is a genetic mutation that causes some people to think it tastes like soap. What does that have to do with cameras? I think there might be a gene for the ability to see 3D pop (Zeiss pop, Leica glow, “microcontrast”). Some people just don’t see it. Maybe another gene affects the ability to see the curvature of Earth. Who knows? I was born with no fast-twitch muscles, ruining my plans for a baseball career. Life goes on.
Slow twitch is great for distance running (especially cross country and marathons). Unfortunately, that is boring, painful, and there is no money in it. Also, you need to have a super-skinny frame. So you look like you just stumbled out of a concentration camp, seconds from death. Such is our pathway in life, we slow-twitchers. I have found that I can see micro-contrast for an instant if I eat 30 Black Madeira figs before-hand. Unfortunately, there is a price to pay at 2AM.
I did an impromptu portrait session with an author on Saturday, and as per usual, the images took the subject’s breath away with loads of pop agains the background. I usually feel the same way about images I take with the 85mm f1.2. My only “complaint” is with the camera. I would love to have a 16-bit color mode in one of the Z bodies and that’s the only reason I continue to think of the GF110mm as my all time favorite portrait lens. Anyway, moving on.
Are you using a monitor? Because if not you have some eagle-eye fucking vision to see the camera’s screen in that bright ass sunlight lol. I can’t see shit when it’s bright like that, was thinking an external monitor might help
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Thanks for the shoutout Kasey , haha! I've been watching you since 2018 xt3 times, Sometimes I go to sleep playing one of your videos haha and you kinda inspired me to make videos about cameras. I have only one word for you : TONEH
@@edvard2942 My pleasure dude, keep on making videos! They're good :)
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Looked great to me. Didnt see any hunting.
On this shoot the 85mm looks great and you really look separate from the background and it's got that 3D look to me. You have depth in front of the backround to me.
That`s no 3d pop.
3d pop is almost holographic even if your dof is very deep.
Your Nikon footage always looks best. I don’t understand your criticisms of it looking too clinical or sometimes not having “3d pop “. It’s by far the best-looking footage!
Just hating just to hate Nikon like most of these RUclipsrs, plus he doesn't know what is talking about, most 85s are slow, smh, but this one def. ain't slow, smh
He is a weird contrarian who thinks having shit opinions or demanding broad accommodations for niche things is a comedy routine. Watch for the entertainment, don't watch for actual hardware advice.
You're subscribed to a satirical anti-fanboyism channel and you don't even know it.
He is a comedian and that's why i watch him lol
@@f.iph7291 I know it is comedy but at the same time it is misleading, the AF problems is a thing if the past when it comes to Nikon and videos like this make people believe that Nikon's AF is still bad, smh
How the budget these days? Have your kids choosen their gender yet? Bro You’re a legend
😅😂🤣 "have your kids chosen their gender yet?"
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though not so hot on geography in Canada. thought that was an American thing eh.
@@harryflashman4542 isn’t Canada and ‘merica the same, buddy?
@@elpoutre2522 you're thinking of Mexico. They're still trying to keep Canadians out and rightly so. Pitiable people but you just have to look at them and you know that maybe the Phrenologists were onto something.
@@harryflashman4542 i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about friend.
I’m gonna rewatch Southpatk S15e3 again as it suit my views very well buddy.
The 40 Tony 2 looks glorious
Definitely the best lens for the money they have.
The AF is really good, actually. I would say better than my Z6 II. And the footage from 40/2 looks really good. Especially considering how small and cheap this lens is.
I have the Nikkor 50mm f1.2 and it is by far my favourite lens. The character it has and how it renders the out of focus area and light are just beautiful.
This was fun, thanks! Regarding "3D pop": this impression results at 70% from how the scene is lit and what colours are in the frame (clothing, sky, surroundings), 20% about background separation (aperture vs focal length vs distance to subject) and 10% or less about optical design. You did not do yourself (or us) any favours by doing this exercise on a windy semi-cloudy day, with constant changes from sun to shade. I have yet to meet a lens that consistently brings me "3D pop" independently from the light, colours and aperture. For the rest, thanks for the show, it was informative and entertaining. :)
It is incredibly difficult to do a fair test between lenses, especially because aperture is the "wrong number". The real number is "Transmission" used by cinema lenses, because it accounts for light lost through the optical path. Even so, any test between two lenses should be done at the same aperture (which will only be approximate), ISO and shutter speed. Otherwise, the footage will be wildly different and we are comparing apples to oranges. IMO-YMMV. But this is not an equipment review channel in the same lines as Christopher Frost or Gerald Undone. It's a guy having fun with his camera gear and with us.
Maybe you should try a Batis 25mm f2.0 it has holographic 3dpop. You`ll notice instantly, if you don`t you will never see it because some people just don`t have the eyes.
Besides, you got your percentages completely wrong, 3d pop is 95% lens, it`s there or it`s not.
The 50mm f1.8 has a ton of character - swirly bokeh, a ton of pop, same with 40mm F2.
The pro glass is clinical, because it's primary purpose is different.
Not the 105 Dc
I know you aren’t talking about the Z 50 1.8
@@livejames9374 yes I am, I've been using it for a long time with my Z9, and it's got plenty of character
@@bartromanowski1262 I disagree, but it’s all subjective
@@giannagiavelli5098 I like the 135 DC even better. Not sure what the negative (F) setting is for. It looks terrible when you turn it that way. But crank it to the R and you are in dreamland.
40 2.0 looks really nice. I should use it more. And as far as the special look of the Canon 85...yes it was special with horrid magenta tones and aberrations.
The 50 1.8z is regarded as the best lens overall in their lineup without costing 1000s of dollars. Curious if you like the look of that one.
We are talking about fidelity (3D Pop) vs. bokeh. Lens character truly makes a difference. We know Zeiss and Leica produce it but also my Voigtlanders 40mm|2 and 58mm|1.4 these lenses are manual focus, but the images they produce for portraiture is unmatched My sigma Art 35mm|1.4 on my D3 was unmatched when it came to image sharpness and good bokeh. But once i converted to black +white the image fell flat on its face. I would have to apply heavy contrast and clarity to get the image to look better. The B/W from the Voits were simply unmatched. The tonality from white to black was very apparent. The imaGe fidelity is true to form. What can be seen on a 4K monitor is mind-blowing in print.
Good call on the Edvard channel. Awesome of you to help a newb. His stuff is pretty awesome
Imagine what first RUclips videos were from Markus Pix!
@@Fessoid I mean he's been in the game forever. He made a legit Hollywood movie while I was eating lunch at school
Dynamic steady shot on Sony ZVE1 has a lot of jitters at 24 fps. I realized you have to raise the shutter speed to get rid of the extra blur. I want A7s3.
if the Z lenses are too clinical, why not get the FTZ adapter and use the F mount G glass?
Because all g glasses s*** you need to use af-d or AIS
That’s right. I think we’re heading towards the original vintage noct lenses which cinematographers still use
Better still , adapt canon ef lenses to z mount using 3rd party autofocus adapters
@@18yearsoldnot how smooth would the AF be for video if you do that?
G glass is awesome, AF motors may not be as refined for video.
I have the Z 28/2.8 and compared it to my F-Mount 28/1.8G and... the Z has less CA but they look really similar. Love my Z70-200/2.8 though that thing is amazing, I have the 1.4x and 2.0x TCs for it too.
My Nikkor Z 135 Plena is simply amazing (as is all my other Z glass), it enables me to turn the ordinary into something extraordinary
Bingo, plus it just won a few awards, just as the Nikkor 85 1.2
I just bought the 85mm based partly on your footage
I love clinical and sharp look of Z glass and top Nikon mirrorless cams. If you want blurry mush there are hundreds of thousands of moldy $40 lenses on eBay to stuff all the blurry, inaccurate mush into your eyeballs you could ever want. Also: it's easy to soften a clinical image all you like but impossible to get a back to a clinical image when you shot using a blurry garbage lens.
Theres a difference between objectively bad mushy lenses, and lenses that are sharp centrally but then have falloff towards the corner with excellent contrast(see basically any zeiss lens). Modern lenses tend to be sharp across the entire frame from wide open which prevents that pleasing falloff and the extra elements used tend to reduce contrast. Theres times and places for both types of lenses.
It’s not to do with sharpness. It’s a clinical look where bokeh falloff is ruined due to multiple aspherical elements and in z lenses those elements are not hand polished properly (to save production cost) so they have micro grooves unlike Leica glass. Even $400 Leica 70s glass is sharper than Nikon z glass. The problem is also the optical formula I.e. too complicated.
@@18yearsoldnot 100%, the 85mm here in particular made kasey look like he was on a green screen, no depth to the bokeh. And just to be clear, lenses can have aspherical elements that still look good, I think in this case there's just way too many elements in general (15 apparently). Like the 40mm looked good, it has 2 aspherical elements but only 6 total and was far more pleasing
@@CianMcsweeneyfair point. Also it doesn’t get more mushy than at f1.2 😂. I guess it’s to hide all that busy bokeh from the complicated design. What’s the point in a sharp lens when you’re going to shoot that wide open…. All that extra weight for what… That’s why I got a sigma fp with a 90mm Leica tele elmarit for much less money and half the size and weight as well
@@18yearsoldnot yeah I love my voigtlander 90mm f2.8 m-mount lens, very pleasing
NEVER used a shirt to clean a lens. I scratched my most expensive lens like that, lesson learned!
A microfiber cloth that has never been used or washed works, but use the bulb to blow gunk off first. A tiny bit of distilled water (keep it in a washed eye-drops bottle) can help if something is stuck on the lens. At home, q-tips and distilled water is better yet. Only dampen the q-tip, never wet. The coatings on lenses can be damaged by a metal or hard plastic button, by saliva, and any of a number of other things. It there is sand on the lens, rubbing it with anything is like using sandpaper on it. The angry photographer has a nice lens cleaning video. You have to be careful about lens cleaning videos because half of them are loaded with terrible advice that will damage your lens.
Which len for fuj x system has objectively the most 3D Pop?
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@@cameraconspiracies the cinema shall finally be mine, thanks!
@@randomframe3436 not sure there's any way to objectively measure 3D Pop. After hearing about it on this channel, I went down the rabbit hole for a bit and it mostly seems to come down to individual taste/perception. Google "Lens Feature Search: Number of elements" and see dprevew forum disccussion on the element count question, for one example.
Love these real-world lens comparisons. Keep up the good work :)
Whehey! Thanks for the interesting reply to my query. I think we're all moving the goalposts constantly but it's also good to stop sometimes and take stock of how far we've come.
rofl 17:04 killed me pure gold, top notch editing skills, should start a masterclass; and 18:55 hahah why no shoes ?!!?
What ocean do you cross to get to Argentina from Vancouver?
The Indian Ocean.
It depends on your route. If you go via Antarctica, you cross the arctic ocean and the Bering sea (or maybe Chukchi). I imagine if you picked carefully you could cross them all.
Greetings from Argentina!
Yes, your camera will be stolen.
No, you don't need to cross an ocean to get here, Casey. Just follow the Pan-American highway all the way down south.
Lmao. He won't make it an hour into Mexico without being robbed if he's filming. I'd hide the camera all of the time until you know nobody can see you filming.
Not sure I'd want to cycle the Darién gap...
@@samhodgkinson8901 lol
Let's all pray for the poor guy.
I love the 40f2. Such an amazing lens! So cheap but punch a ton! I love the 24-70f4 too for the compactness and sharpness at all focals. The 50 1.8 or 85 1.8 will be next!
When you first don't succeed, try try again! Looked so much better this time! I did not see any hunting! Fantastic advise! Always entertaining and "Grounded" in reality! Thanks Kasey for sharing your vast array of knowledge and expertise!
The 105mm f/2.8 Macro Z lens is one of the best macro lenses ever made 😊 it's so dang good. It's pretty swell for portraits too.
There are professional photographers who prefer macro lenses for portraits of beautiful women because they are sharper than other lenses. Nikon has a record of great macro lenses. A very early one so sharp you could shave with it was the 55mm AIS. Along the same lines, the 60mm Micro was a ludicrous bargain and a great general purpose lens. And the 200mm f4 Micro is absolutely legendary.
That NikkiBoi 85mm is magic!
Thank you for the genuinely entertaining content. I just ordered my first camera. I got an r6mii with the 24-105mm 2.8. Is this overkill for my first setup and does it make me a spoiled little biotch? Did I mess up? I need answers, please! The biophotons have abandoned me
Does the z 35mm t1.4 has more pop?
Fuji GFX. Medium format. When?
I now have a collection of Pro Mist filters to fit my Nikon Z-mount lenses. There are definitely times when too sharp isn’t the most pleasing result.
I love that passers by will wonder wtf your're up to standing in a field gesticulating wildly 🤣
Hi, after you get your F to Z adapter, you may want to sell the 85Z and buy some Nikon G primes instead. 24/1.4,, 35/1.4 and 85/1.4 have that pop you are after. You can probably buy all three used for the same price.
Well, you can always make a clinical image artistic, but you can't make an artistic image clinical. The 85f1.8 S is wonderful, and reasonable for what it is. All Z lenses should have had VR just because the 16-50DXVR does.
Good point. Sort of like recording audio clean and neutral, then coloring it later. If you color it on the recording, then you’re stuck with it for better or worse
One of the seat of adapters does auto focus on manual focus lenses you should look for that one I forget which one it is
Techart
honestly with the 85 the compression gets weird at full body. Never occurred to me for stills, but for video it seems to bother me. 28 or 40 was the sweet spot
Even though you were recording on a tripod the video looked solidly stable considering all the wind that was hitting the camera. Did you have something blocking the wind or was it just the camera stabilization correcting it? Or did you have a lot to correct in post?
I didn't do anything special.
Dunno the proper terminology but does the Nikon footage tend toward green? The Canon footage was very brown IMO, so the two side by side to my eye both looked very wrong. That said the 40mm T2 was best to my failing untrained eyes.
It was Autumn...
@@cameraconspiracies understood, and I tried to account for brown leaves and green grass, but I see those color shifts in gray too, and on different monitors. Perhaps it's just me.
@@ak4good Greys will shift as there will be green or brown light being thrown around.
@@MTBD80 but isn't that something we should aim to correct to arrive at a neutral/natural look?
@@ak4good Depends on look you are going for but yeah. I was just in the woods on a hike, sooo much green light being thrown around. Makes full foliage summer least fav time for photography and video.
When you have a perfect exposure, you can do what you want with it in post processing.
This is one of my favourite videos. Loved it.
I'm sorry but clinical is the trend for all brands... Fuji included with 33mm or 18mm
I don't think it's a bad thing since for all brands you can adapt old lenses...
What about people doing landscape or astrophotography ? They must be plenty happy with theses lenses 😉
THIS.
Clinically sharp lenses may not be ideal for portraits but they are excellent for landscapes, nightscapes and macro.
G master is not clinical, anyway at least very little.
@@brugj03 which gm lens are you referring to? gm 85 is from 2016 and "only" 1.4. new sony lenses are also clinically sharp like the 50 gm 1.2! when saying a lens has caracter, it means flaws like CA. the only flaws sony lenses have is focus breathing and distortion that is corrected in body the keep them small.
@@josejuncal9342 The 1.2 is as flat as a pancake.The 1.4s are really nice and have some 3dpop. I`d say the character of 1.4 gmasters is that they are near perfect without being clinical and boring.
Sony has breathing compensation on the newer bodies.
Yeah, that 40mm was nice. If I was going Nikon for photographic prints of still lifes and English landscapes for large 16 x 20 prints to sell in my gallery, I'd go with a set of those f1.8 primes. And I'd use an old Z7 because it has so many megapixels and screw features of newer Nikons. That 85mm f1.2 looks like one of those wedding photographer lenses. Here's the happy couple kissing and everything else in the universe is out of focus. Isn't that unique?
@-Tex.t_camera_conspiracies That's a very old technique. Nobody tries that anymore.
Why are you stopping a 1.2 down to 4 or 6.3 🤣. Open that thing up
If you haven't checked it out yet, the Yongnuo 85mm f1.8 is surprisingly good (to me) at $369 greenbacks. I don't understand assessing 3D pop, although I do kind of think I saw some in the 28mm in this video, and maybe the 40. The 85 looks good to me, but not 3 grand worth of good. I don't think it's better than the Yongnuo really.
my favorite look was the 28mm prime. and the 85mm when it was wide open (you looked like an hologram).
but it is hard to compare as there was no sun with the 85mm so the image was very flat. also I think you generally overexpose your footage a bit, and that is part of the reason the 28mm prime footage looked more intresting. it was less overexposed.
you wanna try let the shadows wrap around your face or your silhouette in the shot, to the point where it falls off into black. that is how you look more 3d. if you overexpose (or do not slightly under-expose in some instances) you mitigate this effect and the image looks more flat (although the istogram probably looks better, but f@#k the istogram).
I have no camera I have no money still I watch 😂. And in my opinion this video was better than every Sony you've posted lol😂
I think it's got some pop.
I don't know how you can stand there without shoes... insane.
There is 'Toneh' and then, there is BigFoot Blur....the 85 1.2S is definitely looks like it will capture Bigfoot. 100%.
Top sound in harsh conditions.
Markuspix will gladly recommend you some camcorder format cameras as I'm sure you know. @ 12:35
One could argue that his little Sony (I think maybe it's a HDR-AS15, but I don't remember. I have one of those and it looks like his) is a camcorder format machine. But Marcus would greatly prefer the CX-405, and his videos about that camcorder are compelling. But even more so, Marcus would suggest the RX-100 series, which are his true loves. And not camcorder shaped at all.
Random: Why aren’t you wearing shoes? Just wondering.
The Canon 85mm f/1.2 is notorious for slow focusing, especially wide open. Knowing this, I would probably only use manual focus for video.
I'm honestly thinking about turning off lens corrections lol
I think the primes all looked good in the Nikon. It almost $3000 for the 85 mm? I don’t care what it looks like that’s too expensive.
That’s why I bought Sirui sniper f1.2 it reduces the sharpness at wide open.😂
Amazing to have 5 options under the same brand
i want a nikon z6n with red color science!
19:04 😂 you’re the best. Barefoot in The Brickworks, probably more broken bricks per square inch than anywhere in Canada. And like the other guy says, don’t know why yer all bent outta shape over the Nikon. More pop than S Korea….
I have my zfc at +5 focus speed. Its really accurate. Walking towards or away from the camera and it almost never hunts. And if you go out of the frame and come in again it catches my eye instantly. Ive been doing videos with it for my channel for two years and never have i ever been out of focus
What ? You don't like the Nikon 85 1.2 ? I love that lens. The 1.2 is so beautiful. Why did you not like the 85. Still watching your video perhaps you will say.
I don't see the point in replicating the same "uncorrected" lenses of old, which are already mostly available.
And for what it's worth, clinically sharp lenses are excellent for landscapes, nightscapes and macro.
To not need an adapter, improve autofocus etc. I can't even stop my 85mm f1.2 down due to the stupid 7 Artisans adapter lol.
All mirrorless lenses meticulously design their optical architecture to accommodate the higher megapixel count in new camera bodies, resulting in exceptionally sharp and precise photos. The increasing demand for video has greatly influenced lens design, leading to significantly faster focusing speeds. The narrative effectively highlights the key differences between film-based optics and modern optical systems while maintaining a neutral stance on their superiority. Autistic parallels are more fitting than technical ones, as mirrorless lenses and film optics have distinct purposes. It's important to mention that a mirrorless lens is not optically inherently better than film optics, as they each have their own distinct creative and artistic uses.
AF-S NIKKOR 105mm f/1.4E ED with F to Z adapter is the best looking medium tele
Angry Photographer hates that lens, so I hate it.
If you use the green bar and soft 2x1in cotton wheel, you should make 10,000 grit polish. The glass hardness is easily a 4 compare to a casio 0.8. You just push the green line back and forth for half an hour. It really on cuts the handicapped zone, then your at 0.00001 hardness vs a 4 hardness, but 3d pop means afaik 2D. The astro glide does nothing at all. it's vasoline, thats how you put lamile door ramp moon base door stop, only need to modulate the shipping containers in star trek with hf to vhf as superconductor, get in my buggy, of course your jesting.
The Argentinian Ocean. 😃
On the Caseys flat earth there is an ocean between North and South America! 🤣 Is he trolling? Probably!
I wondered that too haha. The cyclist will def have to get on a boat to cross the Darian gap, but that still doesn't qualify as an ocean crossing 👀
I'm really sorry, but videographers who think that the lens determines the look, they just probably don't understand that much, it's best to have a lens that collects all the data in an optimal way and determine the look using lighting art and color correction..
You can use an app on your phone to make sure you're in the shot. ;)
Z mount cameras accept all the lenses I own from multiple other mount systems. Z mount glass OTOH adapts to no other camera mount. Zero chance I’m blowing good money on Z mount lenses that are still facing the realistic possibility of being orphaned.
I highly doubt Nikon will ditch z mount for at least a couple of decades lol. It's not Canon m mount. They put a lot into the design of the mount for that exact reason of being able to adapt anything to Nikon. They are just getting started with the z mount...
Not af-d
Z-mount is not being replaced any time soon 😂
Do you understand why Z-mount is designed like it is and not the others?
Z mount isn't going anywhere for very long time, they thought hard about this one. It's awesome.
EXACTLY TODAY I decided to sell my 35 1.8, 50 1.8 and 85 1.8 because I just don't use them anymore but rather some 7artisans/TTartisans faster glass that I just adore. The only thing I'd miss is the VR and weight, maybe 😄
Think carefully before doing that: those three f/1.8 lenses are stunningly good! It is always possible to get great lenses to look artsy or funky (with diffusion filters while shooting or by fiddling in post), it is impossible to get funky lenses to look great. You'll soon realise that the ultra fast cheapies are one trick poneys. After a couple of months you'll get bored with the swirls and bubbles and glows and fringing. You'll regret throwing out the great ones. Just add an Helios or similar to your current set for the occasional fun.😊
@@brusselssprout1 I know what you mean but I'm already thinking for that for 2 years and I always go out with the manual ones and love them way mlre. They are cheap but not crappy-cheap. 7artisans 50mm 1.05 is proven already one of the best for its price. Also TTartisan 90mm 1.25. The Z glass is amazing, no doubt about it but I always lean to one of those. And I need money which is the main reason, haha. I become birder anyway so that's why I don't use the wider lenses much. Left the city, I don't like people much anymore so no chances to become portrait photographer anymore while my whole house needs reinovation and stuff. 😁
Notifications going nuts for the new Sigma 28-45mm f1.8 reviews dropping while I’m watching this. I hope Gerald Undone got a guernsey for that one otherwise it’s gonna be ugly.
What's a Gernsey?
@@luisneumannp2748It's like a Guernsey.
@@KingfisherSeven I think it might be an expression I'm not familiar with. According to Google Guernsey is either a type of cow or an island?
@@luisneumannp2748 damn autocorrect fixed it
@@luisneumannp2748 the top shirt footballers wear... Australian slang for "was invited to play" or "part of the team" 😂
But Casey, potatos are round so how would the lens look flat 🤔
85 1.2 was 3D pop amazing 😊
I was at the Nikon stand at the Photography Show chatting to a couple of the reps where they had the "pro" lenses. I asked: “Is it just me, or is the 85/1.2 a bit disappointing?”
The reps were aghast: “ l think it’s you - I've never met anyone who wasn’t blown away by it”
“Well I only tried it for 10-15 minutes at a Nikon roadshow, but I found the focussing a bit slow, and very hit and miss. When it did manage to focus, image quality is good but not spectacular, so I bought the Plena.”
“If you're comparing it to the Plena then of course it’s not as good. Not even close."
I'm sure there are many people who are very pleased with their 85/1.2 and for them it is worth every penny, but for me, I think the main problem with it is that the 85/1.8 is sooooooo good for sooooooo much less. In fact the Z 85/1.8 is faster in practice than the F- mount 85/1.4 G I had previously since the Z lens is acceptably sharp at f/1.8, whereas the G lens needed stopping down to at least f/2 and ideally more.
Yeah they wouldn’t understand. They’re fanatics and marketers. Same reason why Justin bieber is more successful than Mozart. Photographers need to be more educated
Nikons 85 1.2 is the best portrait lens I’ve ever used. Including the Plena (too limited of focal length), all the legendary EF and F mount lenses, voightlander (my second favs) and Uber expensive Leica lenses. It’s really quick to focus. Not sure what you experienced but it has no problem keeping up with dogs running at full speed.
I shoot Viltrox and Sigma Art glass on my Nikon Z
I know your grounding, but be-careful about glass and nails on the floor hiding in the grass, tetnus and all that.
In that area of Toronto he needs to worry about syringes 😂
The 85 at 1.2 looked ridiculous, way too much toneh. I say sell that thing if you're not using it wide open.. may as well use the kit lens. The 40 looked good though.
That 40/2 is something special. The 85/1.2 has no character whatsoever, definitely worse than RF equivalent imo.
Just watch Julia trotti's video on the Nikon Z 85 1.2, then get back to me. That lens is insanely good.
This is what consumers wanted. Some photographers especially the new ones focus on lens sharpness and bokeh. Older lenses may have been less sharp but had more character. With all the glass and coating to remove. Unwanted CaR. And flare, ghosting etc. Now you have flat and sharp images.
"Clinical" really just means accurate. Put something beautiful in front of a "Clinical" lens, and guess what, it's beautiful! Sharp is a precondition for "3-D pop" which is another name for micro-contrast. Not sharp? Micro contrast cannot possibly be good. Also, I have never seen a camera lens that had good contrast but not good micro-contrast. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but I am not too sure what could cause that. Mist filters reduce sharpness. This is a good thing for older women who would prefer not to have every wrinkle look like it was ironed in with a can of Niagara spray starch, or men in general (we're hideous, I need mist filters stacked for my portrait). Quite frankly, I don't care what lens you are using. But you should keep churning over it, because it's one of the things that makes this channel funny. BTW, "The Angry Photographer" LOVES Tamron SP primes. Don't believe me? Look at his reviews. I like them too.
Example: "Angry Photographer: Close-Up look at Awesome! TAMRON 45mm f/1.8 VC USD"
gh7 is coming, 🐎
Have your kids “choosen” their gender yet?😂
All I want to know; is what tripod setup you were using on such a windy day? Dam, that was a stable shot. Not a hint of tripod movement.
Return the f/1.2 (build for artwork and highend portraiture) and get the f1.8 instead. Will be much better for the kind of videos you do.
For the money you save, get yourself, or your girlfriend, something nice.
Wide angle looks so weird when the camera is not at a certain angle and height lol
3D pop is hugely overrated. Casey geography inserted an ocean between north and south America 😂 DJI Action 1 was a pretty decent action cam. Footage was decent quality.
Deciding between a Fuji and a Canon just shows the person has no values, like how do you even consider a Canon body as someone interested in Fuuj, one looks like a toy, the other is the definition of sacrificing function for pure aesthetics and emotion. And don't even get me started on the slow mo, Canon R8 stops at 180fps, embarrassing, get that X-S20 with 240fps
do you really need slow mo for special ed kids?
I like cilantro. I’ve heard there is a genetic mutation that causes some people to think it tastes like soap. What does that have to do with cameras? I think there might be a gene for the ability to see 3D pop (Zeiss pop, Leica glow, “microcontrast”). Some people just don’t see it. Maybe another gene affects the ability to see the curvature of Earth. Who knows? I was born with no fast-twitch muscles, ruining my plans for a baseball career. Life goes on.
Slow twitch is great for distance running (especially cross country and marathons). Unfortunately, that is boring, painful, and there is no money in it. Also, you need to have a super-skinny frame. So you look like you just stumbled out of a concentration camp, seconds from death. Such is our pathway in life, we slow-twitchers. I have found that I can see micro-contrast for an instant if I eat 30 Black Madeira figs before-hand. Unfortunately, there is a price to pay at 2AM.
I did an impromptu portrait session with an author on Saturday, and as per usual, the images took the subject’s breath away with loads of pop agains the background. I usually feel the same way about images I take with the 85mm f1.2. My only “complaint” is with the camera. I would love to have a 16-bit color mode in one of the Z bodies and that’s the only reason I continue to think of the GF110mm as my all time favorite portrait lens. Anyway, moving on.
only unlimited budget questions here hahaha
nice af, but that's a crappy 28
how many times are you going to get robbed in the way from canada to argentina hahaha
Are you using a monitor? Because if not you have some eagle-eye fucking vision to see the camera’s screen in that bright ass sunlight lol. I can’t see shit when it’s bright like that, was thinking an external monitor might help
Nikon Z stuff is really sharp... so are the RF Canon stuff... even the 3rd party stuff... like Viltrox, sharp as a tack, great for Astro
This 85mm @F1.2 looks like green screen 😲😲😲