Sabre Styles: Box Brawlers vs Strip Samurais
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Another video looking at different styles of sabre fencing
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Nice video. The ascended Chad of sabre points has to be a parry-riposte on the back line. For me anyway.
Bazadze riposte vs Oh is a stunning hit. 1:25
On 14-14 as well!
Imagine the balls of this man to go for a parry in the middle at 14-14 against Oh Sanguk.
What a guy
nice video! tough question to answer. Kind of depends on what season from the last 20 years if I prefer the middle or the long attack phase. It's not really a matter of prefering one or the other but adapting to what the gods of priority ( the refs) want to see. We should keep in mind that most of Cyrus of Chaos's very enjoyable Amazing touches videos show the long attack phase. Honestly. I think the solution was the back foot on the guard line or what was called the Russian box of death. We tested this an entire summer in our club and it basically got rid of the middle game as it is. When the season started that year they told us unexpectedly at the first national tournament where I'm at that we had to straddle the guard line with both feet, which was neither one thing nor the other. I think some people higher up realized that placing the fencers on guard with their back foots on the guard line would basically elminate a lot of what a "good" saber ref's job is and they moved to get rid of this quickly seeing their importance being threatened. As of right now, the middle game is more important because of the gods of priority's reluctance to call AIP or what we used to call tempo outside of the middle when there are two lights on the box. We can go into other things like failed helicopter blade searches coming forward, kangaroo hops, and even retreats mixed in that somehow still mantain right of way but the solution to all that is calling things the same way along the entire 14 meters of the strip.
Yes we have to get rid of this distasteful middle game
My favorite part is not knowing.
Love how even the athletes have no idea who gets the touch. And I have been one of them. I now train with the mindset of make the touch and return to a guard position without being hit back = a point. Doubles each get a point. First to 1 or 1 more than opponent wins.
....and then they changed the game to a flinch game and ruined it for all of us
i always find the game of olympic fencing a bit of a black sheep among other types of fencing. nobody retreats back into a stable stare-down. (except maybe epee?) you see, Joachim Meyer explains fencing as having 3 stages, and not two like modern sabre.
(*Joachim Meyer: mid-late 16th century fencing master, who in his treatises wrote about: Longsword, Dussack (an evolution of single-stick), Sidesword, Early Rapier, Messer, Staff, and Halberd combat.)
*1- the Onset (Zefuchten)*
This phase is where the first attack is made from "perfect measure", using a step, into "within measure", starting the exchanges.
*2- Handwork/Middle (Mittel)*
Continued exchanges until one of the fencers fails, if the fight doesn't end here, it progresses to the 3rd phase.
*3- End (Ende)*
When all the strikes have been successfully defended against, both fencers withdraw out of measure, and start over from phase 1.
(*the measures:
Out of Measure - Nobody can reach another.
Perfect Measure - Fencers can hit one another with a passing step or lunge. (about a little over 6 feet)
Within Measure - Fencers can attack each other without advancing. This is the most dangerous of all measures, because an attack from this range is ever so slightly faster than the average human reaction time. Do not stay here for long.
Close Measure - Fencers can touch each other, this is also the safe distance from which to grapple without the opponent being able to attack your arm.
*these measures are according to Meyer's Longsword, longsword has passing footwork btw, because its 2 handed and keeping your sword active with passing steps is much easier with a two handed weapon, when you take a fully fledged passing step with a one handed sword, your sword arm ends up behind you, but in longsword, the sword is always in front of you because its 2 handed, thats the difference)
what are the "two of modern fencing"? also "nobody retreats back into a stable stare-down" sounds quite strange, can you please explain a little bit more, for non-native speakers at least, what do you mean exactly?
That reply is longer than an epee bout.
Long attack? Is just called a march, no?
I call it the ABC and the push-and-turn phases.
I hate marching attacks...
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I prefer fencin outside of the middle. Middle is a minds game and speed competition. I prefer to let my opponent make a mistake outside middle so i can strike, i do middle sometimes but its way too risky for someone as short and as thin as me