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Really useful video. Three things are spot on: 1. Rock - paper - scissors only gets you so far 2. Variation on preps wthout a plan isn’t great either 3. You got your chess right too!
I love these videos for students! ❤ While i cover this in training, a video with examples, and in other words than mine is helpfull. Thanks for making them, also nice humor in between! 😉
When I learned to fence way way back in high school, we were taught that an attack in preparation was when one person had the right of way and was attacking, and instead of responding with a defensive action and then a riposte, the opponent would just also attack, but do it so much faster than the r.o.w. attacker that it would make contact, trigger the light, and have enough time pass for the lockout to prevent the r.o.w. fencer's attack from registering. Consequently, we were taught that attack in prep could only be scored on single lights, since, if both did go off, it meant all you did was unsuccessfully attack into an attack that started first, which is exactly the thing that r.o.w. is intended to punish. Now I don't know if this is just something where the rules have changed, or something that the coaches taught us as beginners as a simplification of the truth and then forgot to ever clarify on, or if they were just wrong, but they were somewhat renowned coaches in the area so I don't know. And it did seem to be consistent with how I saw it being called during my own and my teammates' bouts, and in the higher level fencing I watched at the time (though I didn't watch a huge amount of it) In any case, it certainly left me very confused with how it's called in modern fencing, often on double lights from the initial attacks off the line. (Which during my own time the refs always simply worded as "attack left/right arrives" depending on who they saw as having gotten in first.) I'm glad to have a better understanding of the meaning of how its used now, but I'm still confused by the change.
It's pretty much right for actions on the march, where one fencer has clearly established prioirty. Off the line, nobody has yet established priority. So if one fencer is coming forward but still hedging, and the other is the first to pull the trigger on their attack, priority goes to the fencer who really attacks first. We say "attack in preparation" mostly as an explanation to the fencer who was in prep - yes you were coming forward, but you hadn't committed yet and they got you flat footed.
@@teakew8217 Sorry when you say it's pretty much right, you mean how my coaches explained is pretty much right? I've also never heard the phrase "on the march" before, but from how you use it, it sounds like it just means when one fencer is advancing and the other retreating, is that right? And okay, yeah at least with it used off the line it sounds like it's just kinda a change in convention, basically saying specifically "left attacked while right was preparing" or vice versa, instead of just saying "attack left arrives" and letting it be implied that yes right attacked too but left started first. Which is sensible enough I guess because it is also possible for an attack to land with really being responded to, in which case the "attack left arrives" would fit. So no reason not to be able to describe both Thank you for your explanation. And sorry for not understanding some of your wording though
@@rylie8989 "On the march" is when one fencer is going forward and the other fencer is going backwards. A sabre exchange has two phases: off the line, when the ref calls "allez" and both fencers start; and then on the march, if nobody scores off the line and one fencer starts running away. Your coaches explanation is basically right _for actions on the march_. The convention for sabre says that you can't score an attack in prep with two lights against someone marching, if they turn on a light it's their attack. So if you're going for it you need to make sure it's clean (usually what people do to ensure this is they parry or dodge, making their action into a counterattack anyway). You also don't have to call "attack in preparation" off the line, you can just say "attack left touche" and that's fine too. Refs vary a bit in their approach there.
Nice video! Do you think clear ROW in saber seems to be deteriorating with electronics? It used to be that a fencer was only considered to be in preparation if the hand was in a position from which an attack could be launched, so a lowering off the guard -invitation- could not be a preparation, although a touch could be scored this way by attacking into the preparation of the opponent. (Before electronics, we called such touches ‘in-time’, now I guess it’s just one light to be successful)
Its something wrong with me mb, but I'm watching the video and nearly all calls I wouldn't call alike :) For example, at 3:17 did not the attacker has his 2 legs out of the zone before making a touch?
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That 2 second clip of the fencer scratching his "head" is hilarious. @3:02
Really useful video. Three things are spot on:
1. Rock - paper - scissors only gets you so far
2. Variation on preps wthout a plan isn’t great either
3. You got your chess right too!
Omw to my way to a tournament rn. Thanks for the advice boss!
Love these types of videos
I love these videos for students! ❤
While i cover this in training, a video with examples, and in other words than mine is helpfull.
Thanks for making them, also nice humor in between! 😉
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When I learned to fence way way back in high school, we were taught that an attack in preparation was when one person had the right of way and was attacking, and instead of responding with a defensive action and then a riposte, the opponent would just also attack, but do it so much faster than the r.o.w. attacker that it would make contact, trigger the light, and have enough time pass for the lockout to prevent the r.o.w. fencer's attack from registering.
Consequently, we were taught that attack in prep could only be scored on single lights, since, if both did go off, it meant all you did was unsuccessfully attack into an attack that started first, which is exactly the thing that r.o.w. is intended to punish.
Now I don't know if this is just something where the rules have changed, or something that the coaches taught us as beginners as a simplification of the truth and then forgot to ever clarify on, or if they were just wrong, but they were somewhat renowned coaches in the area so I don't know. And it did seem to be consistent with how I saw it being called during my own and my teammates' bouts, and in the higher level fencing I watched at the time (though I didn't watch a huge amount of it)
In any case, it certainly left me very confused with how it's called in modern fencing, often on double lights from the initial attacks off the line. (Which during my own time the refs always simply worded as "attack left/right arrives" depending on who they saw as having gotten in first.) I'm glad to have a better understanding of the meaning of how its used now, but I'm still confused by the change.
It's pretty much right for actions on the march, where one fencer has clearly established prioirty.
Off the line, nobody has yet established priority. So if one fencer is coming forward but still hedging, and the other is the first to pull the trigger on their attack, priority goes to the fencer who really attacks first. We say "attack in preparation" mostly as an explanation to the fencer who was in prep - yes you were coming forward, but you hadn't committed yet and they got you flat footed.
@@teakew8217 Sorry when you say it's pretty much right, you mean how my coaches explained is pretty much right? I've also never heard the phrase "on the march" before, but from how you use it, it sounds like it just means when one fencer is advancing and the other retreating, is that right?
And okay, yeah at least with it used off the line it sounds like it's just kinda a change in convention, basically saying specifically "left attacked while right was preparing" or vice versa, instead of just saying "attack left arrives" and letting it be implied that yes right attacked too but left started first. Which is sensible enough I guess because it is also possible for an attack to land with really being responded to, in which case the "attack left arrives" would fit. So no reason not to be able to describe both
Thank you for your explanation. And sorry for not understanding some of your wording though
@@rylie8989 "On the march" is when one fencer is going forward and the other fencer is going backwards. A sabre exchange has two phases: off the line, when the ref calls "allez" and both fencers start; and then on the march, if nobody scores off the line and one fencer starts running away.
Your coaches explanation is basically right _for actions on the march_. The convention for sabre says that you can't score an attack in prep with two lights against someone marching, if they turn on a light it's their attack. So if you're going for it you need to make sure it's clean (usually what people do to ensure this is they parry or dodge, making their action into a counterattack anyway).
You also don't have to call "attack in preparation" off the line, you can just say "attack left touche" and that's fine too. Refs vary a bit in their approach there.
@@teakew8217 Okay understood. Thank you very much for the explanation!
Nice video! Do you think clear ROW in saber seems to be deteriorating with electronics? It used to be that a fencer was only considered to be in preparation if the hand was in a position from which an attack could be launched, so a lowering off the guard -invitation- could not be a preparation, although a touch could be scored this way by attacking into the preparation of the opponent. (Before electronics, we called such touches ‘in-time’, now I guess it’s just one light to be successful)
Oh sanguk has changed his prep a bit, and it seems amazing to me.
It's so good
This is so goooood!!
Its something wrong with me mb, but I'm watching the video and nearly all calls I wouldn't call alike :)
For example, at 3:17 did not the attacker has his 2 legs out of the zone before making a touch?
I’ve never fenced even once. But I’d like to
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