Thanks Rob, very helpful but to add to it having been a fly fisherman and fly tier for 45 yrs if you were to put the hook in a fly tying vice it would free up a hand and be easier. Having only come into carp comp style fishing 6 months ago I’m surprised no one uses a vice
I'm not a match type angler etc... but found this how to video very interesting. I'll be trying this method when tying my barbel and chub rigs and hair rigs in general....thanks for sharing it 👍👍👍
Fantastic comprehensive instructions buddy but I just can’t get 0.17 line through a QM1 eye 3 times. 12’s and 10’s are fine, love the adjustable hair though 👍🏽
I strongly recommend using 8 figure loop knots, for both knots. reason 1: loops are linearly aligned with the rig line due to 8 figure. Using simple knots you will always get loops at an angle, reason 2: stronger knot (~15% stronger).
Nice one Rob. I use this when abroad fishing for very large carp. The hookholds are superb. Superb show of the actual tying of the whipping high up the shank for knotless knot
Rob I used these rigs last night and although you said you didn’t invent it I’m giving the credit of a 15lb common to you. I haven’t fished for a few years and was a bit sceptical about the the 2” length but it took the best bottom lip hold inside the mouth I’ve ever seen. Caught it on my little 8ft TF Gear tip rod and my beloved Shimano 2500 with 6lb line and a 12 hook 👍🏽👏🏼
Great vid Rob thanks for taking the time to show us. How do you store these very short hook lengths or do you have to tie them up lakeside?? None of my hook length boxes seem to go below 4".
Never fished the method before, but as I’m now relegated to a motorcycle, I have to cut down on gear dramatically, so method fishing for big carp makes a lot of sense at the moment. Plus it’s something new so I’m exited about it lol. This has given me a lot of confidence, especially after clocking the 70 grand cheque behind you lol. Ps any suggestions for wafters this time of year (spring)?
I have a few set ups wherever I go...... The hook length is different on all set ups I don't always go for the short 150mm standard set up. I get some great fish just leaving it at the supplied 300mm length....
Hi Rob, i've been using this for a few years now, but my main issue with this, in my eyes, is when using hooks with small eyes. ie 0.011 + baitband on a size 18 hook. The eyes are so small you can't get the line through 3 times . For big feeder tho, perfect.
Easy one, Erwin. Start as Rob did, but don't pass the short tag end through the eye. Just hold it beside the hook. Then start your knotless knot. After two or three turns bring your bayonet in position and fold the short tag end back to the hook bent. Finish your knotless knot by overwrapping the short tag as well.
Try tying an actual D-rig. For baits with buoyancy it can be better to let the bait act nearer to the eye rather than the bend. Set ups like the D-rig and KD rig do this really well. For a d-rig you would use a suitable line diameter that would allow you to "blob" the return of the D with a lighter flame, so it could be a different piece of line to the hooklength itself. For the KD you would have a braid hair with a true pop-up bait and a shot on the hair. As a carp angler for about 30 years, I want to say that the rigs used on today's method feeders are a long way from what they could be in terms of efficiency, but most of what we want to test in all forms of angling is actually very hard to test. What I would like to ask you Rob is have you tested wafters against normal buoyancy boilies? I have a feeling that wafters get easily dropped off the feeder, especially if they are not taken on the first visit.
I have true is different weight baits and to be honest I think whatever bait you use it will easily fall off the feeder unless there’s very few fishing moving in the swim.... I’ve done some really interesting underwater filming that shows this. You are probably right about the match anglers rigs not being as effective as speci style rigs. I feel it’s hard to get match rigs to work as well though with smaller components unless you have an idea
@@RobWootton I have seen your Edge films and the preston underwater feeder ones too. You are probably right that the hookbait gets wafted off the feeder if the fish don't get nailed first or second go. But, most "match" situations will mean rebaiting within say 15 mins anyway. For big carp that doesn't work, the rigs have to reset the trap. I'm convinced that some carp rigs actually work better once a fish has got away and the next one gets caught. I have lots of ideas Rob, just none I could advocate without testing.
The only thing I do not like about this rig is, that little bayonet or pin does not secure the bait very well. It is a bit like putting a wafter straight onto a barbless hook, the fish can nick the bait without you knowing.
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Thanks Rob, very helpful but to add to it having been a fly fisherman and fly tier for 45 yrs if you were to put the hook in a fly tying vice it would free up a hand and be easier. Having only come into carp comp style fishing 6 months ago I’m surprised no one uses a vice
been feeder fishing for over 15 yrs and today I learnt something new, perfect wafter presentation there well done tala!
Cheers Kev
Wow, best method for tying a hooklength that I have seen. Thank you, can't wait to give them a try.
Cheers Buck
I'm not a match type angler etc... but found this how to video very interesting.
I'll be trying this method when tying my barbel and chub rigs and hair rigs in general....thanks for sharing it 👍👍👍
Awsome, well explained, I'm going to give it a go
Great!!! Thank You so much for the great video!!! I Wish You Victories!!!
thanks for the nice video Rob i have prept a couple and will give it a go
Brilliant video ROB, cheers pal
Cheers Paul
Here’s for that Rob 👏
I learnt this from Paul Holland few years ago it's the best way of doing it in my opinion
A great way of tying them Jake
Top advice Rob.
Got snapped with pre tied bayonet hook lengths.. Paul Holland ties his like this
Cheers Peter
Awesome 👍🎣🎣
Fantastic comprehensive instructions buddy but I just can’t get 0.17 line through a QM1 eye 3 times. 12’s and 10’s are fine, love the adjustable hair though 👍🏽
Looks quite a different way to do the knotless knot as l do it will definitely give it a go Cheers Rob
Have a go Alan, great for bayonets or quick stops
I strongly recommend using 8 figure loop knots, for both knots.
reason 1: loops are linearly aligned with the rig line due to 8 figure. Using simple knots you will always get loops at an angle,
reason 2: stronger knot (~15% stronger).
Brilliant Rob what a great method thanks for sharing 🌟
Cheers Jeff
Thank you very much sir, you helped me alot.
Genius! I guess this rig, on other scale, goes in fishing carp too. Thanks!
Nice one Rob. I use this when abroad fishing for very large carp. The hookholds are superb. Superb show of the actual tying of the whipping high up the shank for knotless knot
Cheers Paul, I know the bug carp lads use a similar way of tying sometimes
Rob I used these rigs last night and although you said you didn’t invent it I’m giving the credit of a 15lb common to you. I haven’t fished for a few years and was a bit sceptical about the the 2” length but it took the best bottom lip hold inside the mouth I’ve ever seen. Caught it on my little 8ft TF Gear tip rod and my beloved Shimano 2500 with 6lb line and a 12 hook 👍🏽👏🏼
Great to hear Garry. Well done🎣
Rob thanks for that will be using that method next time I make mine up.
Worth a go Steve
Spot on Rob,
Cheers Stephen
Awesome tip! Definitely going to use
Cheers Luke
Great tip as ever Rob Tight Lines Steve Amison
Cheers Steve
What type of size 10 hook did you use, Rob.?
Great vid Rob thanks for taking the time to show us. How do you store these very short hook lengths or do you have to tie them up lakeside?? None of my hook length boxes seem to go below 4".
since I started using your rig, the carp fishing has doubled
Very nice! Can someone pls tell me if you catch a 15 kg carp on 0.18 it doesnt break that rig line?
Never fished the method before, but as I’m now relegated to a motorcycle, I have to cut down on gear dramatically, so method fishing for big carp makes a lot of sense at the moment. Plus it’s something new so I’m exited about it lol. This has given me a lot of confidence, especially after clocking the 70 grand cheque behind you lol.
Ps any suggestions for wafters this time of year (spring)?
More Great advise Rob!! I cheat (Old and eye sight)and use my fly tying vice for clamping the hooks so Ive got 2 hands for tying,
Great idea👍
I’ve just ordered one, good shout Sir
Got my fly tying vice it makes it so much easier and I might take up making my own flies 👏🏼👍🏽
Me too and a strong pair of +3 reading glasses from poundland.
Where on earth can you buy those bayonets from . I’ve searched the internet higher and low . Any chance of a link please 🙏
Hi Rob, why not use a braided fishing line for a leash?
great video Rob.
What is the brand of the hook.
Im having a hard time finding up eyed hooks.
Thankyou …. That’s a KKH size 10
is the bait buried within the pellet/method mix or left hanging outside the feeder ?
great lil' rig
I have a few set ups wherever I go...... The hook length is different on all set ups I don't always go for the short 150mm standard set up. I get some great fish just leaving it at the supplied 300mm length....
Hi Rob, i've been using this for a few years now, but my main issue with this, in my eyes, is when using hooks with small eyes. ie 0.011 + baitband on a size 18 hook. The eyes are so small you can't get the line through 3 times . For big feeder tho, perfect.
Easy one, Erwin. Start as Rob did, but don't pass the short tag end through the eye. Just hold it beside the hook. Then start your knotless knot. After two or three turns bring your bayonet in position and fold the short tag end back to the hook bent. Finish your knotless knot by overwrapping the short tag as well.
Nice one Erwin. As suggested try holding the line next to the shank, fiddly but worth it
Middy hooks have bigger eyes than Preston i reckon, lots better but MikeS tip is even better as Flourocarbon is still difficult
Why use size 18 hooks? I use 12 or 14 hooks mostly. Never had a problem. Hooks are stronger if I happen to hook a big carp.
Merci bravo
Try tying an actual D-rig. For baits with buoyancy it can be better to let the bait act nearer to the eye rather than the bend. Set ups like the D-rig and KD rig do this really well. For a d-rig you would use a suitable line diameter that would allow you to "blob" the return of the D with a lighter flame, so it could be a different piece of line to the hooklength itself. For the KD you would have a braid hair with a true pop-up bait and a shot on the hair. As a carp angler for about 30 years, I want to say that the rigs used on today's method feeders are a long way from what they could be in terms of efficiency, but most of what we want to test in all forms of angling is actually very hard to test. What I would like to ask you Rob is have you tested wafters against normal buoyancy boilies? I have a feeling that wafters get easily dropped off the feeder, especially if they are not taken on the first visit.
I have true is different weight baits and to be honest I think whatever bait you use it will easily fall off the feeder unless there’s very few fishing moving in the swim.... I’ve done some really interesting underwater filming that shows this.
You are probably right about the match anglers rigs not being as effective as speci style rigs. I feel it’s hard to get match rigs to work as well though with smaller components unless you have an idea
@@RobWootton I have seen your Edge films and the preston underwater feeder ones too. You are probably right that the hookbait gets wafted off the feeder if the fish don't get nailed first or second go. But, most "match" situations will mean rebaiting within say 15 mins anyway. For big carp that doesn't work, the rigs have to reset the trap. I'm convinced that some carp rigs actually work better once a fish has got away and the next one gets caught. I have lots of ideas Rob, just none I could advocate without testing.
What make style hook is that
Can i use this knot but with braid?
Have done so for many years
Sir shair the link where to online wowsers
Seen this stuff recently, does this line float?
It sinks but not as fast as other lines
@@RobWootton inphone middy and they told me it was a floating like 🤣
Isn’t the hair at risk of pulling out if the wafter/spike gets snagged?🤔
It only pulls out under extreme pressure
@@RobWootton I have a way of doing it that I’ve never seen anyone do before. It works on all size hooks and no messing about with loops etc
What size hook is that?
It’s a size 10
The only thing I do not like about this rig is, that little bayonet or pin does not secure the bait very well. It is a bit like putting a wafter straight onto a barbless hook, the fish can nick the bait without you knowing.
How is this possible with giant sausage fingers asking for a friend ??
Ha ha ..... perseverance