I made my own hooktyer that ties 2 inch hooklengths onto spade end hooks. The hooklength loop is made first. The hooktyer works the same as the Gizmo hooktyer where both the hook and the loop rotate together whilst winding the turns on to the hook shank. The secret is to make a modified hooktyer on the same principle as the matchman hooktyer, but with a simple difference. The matchman hooktyer creates a big loop because the two line prongs are either side of the locking thumbwheel. They are too far apart creating a big loop. The two prongs need to be closer together to form a smaller loop. Mine still has the locking thumbwheel but the two prongs are in front of the thumbwheel, closer to the hook. The two line prongs are only 10mm apart. Then you can tie any length hooklength from inch and a half upwards very quickly, and they are the same length every time, using spade end hooks. A simple spigot drilled into the side of the hooktying head allows you to hang the band on. This allows you to tie banded hooklengths onto spade end hooks.
Dave, thanks for such a brilliant well put together video, I will endeavor to copy your teachings, I'm 70 now and my eyes and fingers are beginning to pack up, so I had better get my finger out and see what happens. Thanks for taking the time to make the video, Cheers mate!
Great vid. I thought that I was the only person that tied knotless using a hook tier until I saw this. I used to do what you do until I made an improvement to the process. I'm sure you know 100x more than me about fishing, but here's how you can make it even easier and quicker... If you're not sure about it, let me know how we can set up a video call etc... Tie the loop/band as you do if that's what you like. Keeping the metal frame in the tier, place the band over the near metal peg and feed the line through the eye (this saves the fiddle of holding the band and sets a repeatable hair length). Start your windings by holding the line to the side of the eye (say 6" away) from the shank and SPIN THE TIER (as you would for spade ends) except starting at the eye end of the hook (as you do). After the 1st winding around the shank, hold the line tight and just slightly forward of previous winding. This way each winding wraps tightly against the previous winding, so you don't end up with the gaps between windings that you're suffering with. This way you don't need to stop 3/4 way through to push the gaps out of the windings (creating unwanted slack on them). You can also control the hair length by how tight you pull the line on the 1st couple of windings (how much you stretch the band away from the peg). If you want a long hair, you can put the hair loop over the peg instead of the band. You can also make a few mm difference in hair buy whether you push the frame in our out (because the front peg is either double or single wire depending on it protrusion. I tend to have it half pushed in so it doesn't act as a hook to catch and the band, so it then slips off easy when finished without having to unhook it. Hope this makes sense!
The key point for me is the allowing plenty of line. I have a habit of trying to use the absolute minimum required but when I’m then on my third go I realise I’ve ended up wasting more line than if I’d just used a few extra inches the first time!
Thanks Dave what a great video full of tips. Learnt quite a lot there 🌟. Would like to see how you prepare for a commercial match like tunnel and what kit you decide to take please.
Great idea to use the hooktyer, never thought of that. I normally buy banded hooklengths because I find it so fiddly. Sometimes we never think of the simplest solutions!!
I know I usually take the mickey but that was a fantastic little video. I,m a bit of a raspberry ripple because the fingers in my right had don,t work correctly and i,ve lost the sight in my right eye so tying hooklinks is a struggle. What you have showed is i,m sure going to make things a lot easier after a bit of practice and a lot of swearing.Great stuff.
Brilliant video Dave especially the bit where you put the hook in the tier I've got big hands and it ain't easy to tie banded hooks it's a brilliant idea many thanx m8
You have to make sure the band is at the side of the tyer by holding it in place with a finger. Another way of doing it is to try using an adjustable loop sizer as you can get the loops down to the size you need. Think the one i have is made by seymo.
What is the name of the black tulle you use, I bought the copper one, I didn't like it at all, it doesn't grasp the cows, if you have a link, could you send me a link. regards
Read my reply to Paul Thompson, i tried to explain how to do it to him. Failing that get yourself an adjustable loop sizer and set it to 6mm, probably easier to do it with one of those.
Hi Dave, brilliant video. I've tried loads of times to replicate this, but every single time I tie the band in the knot. The part of the video where you say, make sure the band isn't in the knot isn't very clear and I can't see exactly what you are doing to avoid this. It's probably really obvious but can you explain to me please exactly how you do it? thanks mate
When you put the loop on the tyer, make sure the band is in the slot with your line and not out to the side as it will end up in the knot. Takes a few practices but once you've cracked it, it becomes second nature. If you're still struggling after that explanation, hopefully i got it across. There is another way! I can't remember who makes it, but you can get an adjustable loop sizer, set it to 6mm and do them that way👍
Hi Dave, fantastic video pal 👍 I also always got the band tied up in the loop😢 then after throwing all the toys out of the pram 😂 I had a moment and realised that stretching the band right into the top gap of the tier and with plenty of saliva when pulling the line of the bottom it slides over the band and forms the loop perfectly 👍 took me some time but mastered it now 😊 many thanks for your help pal 💪
Thanks for the great vid. Silly question but is the 2" rig 2" in length or is it slightly longer? Not sure if you lose any length once the knot is tied.
No, that’s why you use a hooklength box or a measured jig to size your length after the hook is tied on, and when you make the final loop, the top of the loop should be @ 2”
Thanks guys, just realised there was a typo in my question, I meant to ask if the JIG was 2" long. By the sounds of it it's slightly longer to produce a 2" rig.
@@jimm675 the jig is 2" long mate, possibly slightly shorter so as the hooklength is tight on the pegs in the hookbox. This helps straighten the hooklength out.
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I made my own hooktyer that ties 2 inch hooklengths onto spade end hooks.
The hooklength loop is made first. The hooktyer works the same as the Gizmo hooktyer where both the hook and the loop rotate together whilst winding the turns on to the hook shank.
The secret is to make a modified hooktyer on the same principle as the matchman hooktyer, but with a simple difference. The matchman hooktyer creates a big loop because the two line prongs are either side of the locking thumbwheel. They are too far apart creating a big loop. The two prongs need to be closer together to form a smaller loop. Mine still has the locking thumbwheel but the two prongs are in front of the thumbwheel, closer to the hook. The two line prongs are only 10mm apart. Then you can tie any length hooklength from inch and a half upwards very quickly, and they are the same length every time, using spade end hooks.
A simple spigot drilled into the side of the hooktying head allows you to hang the band on. This allows you to tie banded hooklengths onto spade end hooks.
Dave, thanks for such a brilliant well put together video, I will endeavor to copy your teachings, I'm 70 now and my eyes and fingers are beginning to pack up, so I had better get my finger out and see what happens. Thanks for taking the time to make the video, Cheers mate!
Thank you for this lovely comment Richard.
Comments like this make it all the more pleasurable to do😁
great video, thanks for that. wetting to line to help form the loop makes it so much easier. keep em coming please
Great vid. I thought that I was the only person that tied knotless using a hook tier until I saw this. I used to do what you do until I made an improvement to the process.
I'm sure you know 100x more than me about fishing, but here's how you can make it even easier and quicker... If you're not sure about it, let me know how we can set up a video call etc...
Tie the loop/band as you do if that's what you like. Keeping the metal frame in the tier, place the band over the near metal peg and feed the line through the eye (this saves the fiddle of holding the band and sets a repeatable hair length). Start your windings by holding the line to the side of the eye (say 6" away) from the shank and SPIN THE TIER (as you would for spade ends) except starting at the eye end of the hook (as you do). After the 1st winding around the shank, hold the line tight and just slightly forward of previous winding. This way each winding wraps tightly against the previous winding, so you don't end up with the gaps between windings that you're suffering with. This way you don't need to stop 3/4 way through to push the gaps out of the windings (creating unwanted slack on them).
You can also control the hair length by how tight you pull the line on the 1st couple of windings (how much you stretch the band away from the peg). If you want a long hair, you can put the hair loop over the peg instead of the band. You can also make a few mm difference in hair buy whether you push the frame in our out (because the front peg is either double or single wire depending on it protrusion. I tend to have it half pushed in so it doesn't act as a hook to catch and the band, so it then slips off easy when finished without having to unhook it. Hope this makes sense!
Thanks for your comment/input. This will take some reading! I'll have to make sure I'm concentrating.
The key point for me is the allowing plenty of line. I have a habit of trying to use the absolute minimum required but when I’m then on my third go I realise I’ve ended up wasting more line than if I’d just used a few extra inches the first time!
Good demonstration Dave clear and concise
Best hook length video on youtube 5 STAR Thanks for making it Dave
Great audio description of action, very clear filming will now have to give this a go before buy ready tied👍
Clever use of hook tyer I have learned some good tips from you thanks look forward to learning more from your vids
Dave
Another little gem of video young man, this is coming season I'll try that on the local canals
I don't use banded hooks on the canals mate, only on commercials 👍
Really enjoyed that thanks. You use a different method than the one I use (seen on another RUclipsrs site) it looks simpler so will give that a try 👍
Brilliant Dave cheers 🥳
Brilliant idea with the hook tyer mate. Thanks very much, that will save a lot of frustration. Top man 👍
O'Keeffe's working hand cream is very good mate ,my wife is forever telling me how soft my hard working hands are ,love the channel keep em coming😀
I've been using double base and it's helping. I'll have a look at that cream you mentioned 👍
Thanks Dave what a great video full of tips. Learnt quite a lot there 🌟. Would like to see how you prepare for a commercial match like tunnel and what kit you decide to take please.
Great idea to use the hooktyer, never thought of that. I normally buy banded hooklengths because I find it so fiddly. Sometimes we never think of the simplest solutions!!
We are all guilty of making things harder than they should be!
Cracking idea with the looptyer especially if you’ve got chunky fingers wkd dave
I know I usually take the mickey but that was a fantastic little video. I,m a bit of a raspberry ripple because the fingers in my right had don,t work correctly and i,ve lost the sight in my right eye so tying hooklinks is a struggle. What you have showed is i,m sure going to make things a lot easier after a bit of practice and a lot of swearing.Great stuff.
Made my day that has mate, really glad that this may help you out😁
Brilliant video Dave especially the bit where you put the hook in the tier I've got big hands and it ain't easy to tie banded hooks it's a brilliant idea many thanx m8
A simple idea yet it makes such a massive difference, glad it's helped mate😘
@@davebrownfishing good luck today Dave looking forward to the video
Can show in more detail how you tie the band via the loop tier pleas ?
Brilliant, as usual Dave, any chance of a little video on how you shortened the rig sticks so neatly 👍
Great video Dave some handy tips there m8 keep up the hard work 🎣🎣
Well done Dave brilliant 👍
Thanks for video. I keep getting the band stuck in the knot. You mention making sure the band is not in the knot, but how?
You have to make sure the band is at the side of the tyer by holding it in place with a finger.
Another way of doing it is to try using an adjustable loop sizer as you can get the loops down to the size you need.
Think the one i have is made by seymo.
@@davebrownfishing thanks for the feedback
@@davebrownfishing will sure give it another go
great video m8, I have just started watching your videos and really enjoy them, keep up the good work.
Thank you❤️
That was brilliant Mate love the Tips vids Cheers.
Great video Dave definately will start using the hook tyer in future.Save the thumb being a pin cushion 🤣
Great video Dave thanks 👍
Another good un Dave, thanks.
Brilliant Dave top job 🥳
What is the name of the black tulle you use, I bought the copper one, I didn't like it at all, it doesn't grasp the cows, if you have a link, could you send me a link. regards
Where do you hold the band I keep getting the band in the knot where do I hold the band whilst putting the loop over the tier after my two twists
Brilliant video that mate
Carnt see how you did it i keep getting the band in the knot
Read my reply to Paul Thompson, i tried to explain how to do it to him. Failing that get yourself an adjustable loop sizer and set it to 6mm, probably easier to do it with one of those.
Brilliant video is there any chance you could show us. How to tie a bait spike please. 👍👍
I'll do something👍
@@davebrownfishing Thank-you mate much appreciated 👍
Damn good stuff. Another school day!
Hi Dave, brilliant video. I've tried loads of times to replicate this, but every single time I tie the band in the knot. The part of the video where you say, make sure the band isn't in the knot isn't very clear and I can't see exactly what you are doing to avoid this. It's probably really obvious but can you explain to me please exactly how you do it? thanks mate
When you put the loop on the tyer, make sure the band is in the slot with your line and not out to the side as it will end up in the knot. Takes a few practices but once you've cracked it, it becomes second nature.
If you're still struggling after that explanation, hopefully i got it across. There is another way! I can't remember who makes it, but you can get an adjustable loop sizer, set it to 6mm and do them that way👍
@@davebrownfishing Thanks Dave, I really appreciate the swift response. I'll give it another go!
Hi Dave, fantastic video pal 👍 I also always got the band tied up in the loop😢 then after throwing all the toys out of the pram 😂 I had a moment and realised that stretching the band right into the top gap of the tier and with plenty of saliva when pulling the line of the bottom it slides over the band and forms the loop perfectly 👍 took me some time but mastered it now 😊 many thanks for your help pal 💪
Nice vid..why not just use the hooklength box for your jigs though instead of butchering the magnetic holder?
Because the mag sticks are small and easier to handle than a box. Not saying it's the right way but it is my way of doing it👍
Thanks for the great vid. Silly question but is the 2" rig 2" in length or is it slightly longer? Not sure if you lose any length once the knot is tied.
The finished hooklength is 2" long mate👍
No, that’s why you use a hooklength box or a measured jig to size your length after the hook is tied on, and when you make the final loop, the top of the loop should be @ 2”
Thanks guys, just realised there was a typo in my question, I meant to ask if the JIG was 2" long. By the sounds of it it's slightly longer to produce a 2" rig.
@@jimm675 the jig is 2" long mate, possibly slightly shorter so as the hooklength is tight on the pegs in the hookbox. This helps straighten the hooklength out.
Would you ever consider using a fake caster on the band ?
Artificial baits aren't allowed in any of the matches i fish, so no i wouldn't consider it mate.
Hi,dave. Who makes the hook length box you were using. Thanks
It's the Preston Innovations Absolute all round hooklength box.
Mint!
how do you stop the band getting tied up in the knot
You have make you hold the band out of the way as you tighten down the knot.
@@davebrownfishing i have tried every way i found possible and either the knot comes undone or the band is tied up
Ever thought of selling the 2inch hook lengths? Thx
I hadn't but could come to an arrangement 🤔
what's the hook box called and where do you get them from mate?
It's the Preston Absolute hookbox, available from all Preston stockists.
Bostin job mar mate!
Is the knot on the band whipped over?
Yes it is whipped over, makes for a neat finish.
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This is exactly the same as my video I made last year lol.
Can't be, I'm better looking😘😂
Bostin idea with that hook tier