Trans Kids: Why Medicine Matters - BBC Panorama
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- More young people than ever are coming forward to explore their gender identity. Last year, 2,500 under-18s were referred to NHS England' s gender identity clinics for support. Some are hoping to get access to potentially irreversible treatments as soon as they can. Doctors are divided about the best way to help - so what is the evidence? Dr Faye Kirkland investigates how much we understand about the care being offered to transgender children.
I was a foster parent, many girls wanted to be trans and identify as boys. This is a call out for help. Spending time in my healthy stable home allowed them to gain confidence as young women again.
Since when does ANY teenager "know exactly who they are"?
"She ran like a boy and walked like a boy from the earliest possible age" - what does that even mean? The child couldn't have come to that conclusion on her own, without input from the adults around her about how 'wrong' she was.
It’s not natural to hate your genitals. You have to be taught that. Every child is born with love and acceptance of what is. Giving children medicine that will destroy their bodies is abuse
“Yes its fully reversible”
“Do we know what will happen to children’s brain development? - no”
MTF puberty blockers stop the penile tissue developing which means SRS surgery becomes almost impossible. Jazz Jennings is quite an infamous case of this. I think she’s onto her 4th revision surgery by the age of 19.
But it is something that helps trans kids buy time. They’ll become dysphoric if the go thru puberty of their assigned sex at birth. Puberty blockers are reversible.
Most Mtf women don't want srs and never get it.
It's stops you looking like a man tho. when older 💁♂️ more chance to pass can't change this when it to late.
Yet 35 years in and they still feel the same
Whats right 🤔🤷♂️
Life full of hate. About everything in your life
Can you see what that would be like
How would you feel as a man but your body turned
Female at puberty
You would do what you could do to change or stop this right....... 🤔
The suporn method requires almost no penile tissue.
Jazz is also morbidly obese and on a slew of drugs. And he's only in his 20s. So sad.
Medicine in the US is a for profit matter, being one of the first clinics providing that service gives you a competitive edge, why do we always go to them for moral dilemmas, they have advance research but also everything is possible through consumerism there
How long is it since the High Court stopped these treatments for children in Britain?
She ran like a boy and didn't like pink...oh well...must be a boy. These people are geniuses. NOT
Didint know the circus came to town
Mr Henegan is so correct there needs to be oversight, can't just let that clinic investigate itself, it would surely be biased.
So it all started when he wasn't allowed to be an angel? The future is doomed.
Children are told to tell their parents they'll hurt themselves if they don't get their way. If your child does this, get them admitted for 72 h for a psych evaluation. No mentally stable person will threaten suicide, so anyone who does this should be admitted.
Darwin must be spinning in his grave.
Transgender and non-binary people! Exist! Deal with it! A non-binary person!
Tell em theyre dreaming, slap em, send em to work, take them off internet!!!
The core lesson from the issue of trans kids is the same as it is for psychiatry, and indeed for everything important in life.
Requirement number
1: UNDERSTAND the facts. Understand what we know, and what we don't: be clear and honest about the limits of our knowledge. We haven't done this with the trans issue: we have NO IDEA how many trans people regret the medical intervention: we have no data on long-term outcomes of trans people on any treatment regieme or lack thereof.
2. ACCEPT WHAT IS. We need obviously to accept what is in life, because to do otherwise is, as Tolle says, insanity. That means socially, we need to accept the reality of gender dysphoria and the desire to transition: we need to accept the limits of our knowledge: but also this means we should always encourage children to accept what is, including the nature and the characteristics of their physical body. I don't mean we should discourage children from seeking to transition, but any decision should follow from accepting what is, because in some cases, accepting what is will transform what is, and they may not need surgery or hormones once acceptance is established. This is not to discourage people from transitioning but to reduce the incidence of regret, sometimes suicidal, and destransitioning, sometimes hopelessly unsuccessfully.
3. COMMUNICATE, DISCUSS: there needs to be a social discussion - we need to communicate what we know and what we don't to the public, and we need an honest, truth-seeking discussion about what we (don't) know about gender dysphoria, about treatment, and about long-term outcomes in trans kids. We need to be honest about the fact that we haven't got the technology to turn a woman into a man or vice versa, that a trans woman is necessarily different, biologically and socially, to a cis woman: we're never honest about this obvious fact. All we can achieve medically is a cosmetic change, but there will always be biological differences to the cis gender, some potentially serious, and many not fully understood.
4. ACT. Once we understand and accept what is, both socially and personally, then we can communicate that understanding and use it to reduce misunderstanding, prejudice, assumptions, tensions and conflicts. This in itself is action, but from understanding will come right action on a number of levels - realistic and reasonable social and legal responses to the reality of gender dysphoria/trans people, good advice and support for people struggling with such issues and their family, as well as appropriate medical or non-medical treatments etc. We should also use our understanding to purge our discussions of trans issues of our non-facts - our assumptions, mere opinions and judgements, assertions, demands and so forth, and we should purge our discussions of all non-factual, presumptuous or false claims like "I can change sex", "even when I was a kid I knew I was a woman", etc etc etc. We will hopefully also stop pouring out insults and accusations such as 'you're transphobic' every time someone fails to join the bandwagon of uncritical affirmation of medical intervention into childhood states we are very far from understanding scientifically. It's ironic that on the one hand, trans activists often assert that trans is something real, healthy, a right and a choice etc, yet demand medical treatment for it as if it were a disorder, a disease. I think there is a degree of double speak here, but I really am not criticising these trans activists: the whole of our society and culture is replete with these deficits in reasoning, communicating, understanding and being clear, honest, correct, factual - it's jus that issues surrounding genda in the most-trans era have really blown up into a particular mess, largely owing to epistomological confusion.
So they openly say they don’t know how puberty blockers will affect the brain and development but still hand them out like candy lol...well played!
A minimum of an 18 month wait is hardly "hand them out like candy"
@@erisi6204 It's all relative. But is that all you're disputing? I should think the idea that they're openly admitting they don't know how the puberty blockers will affect the brain and development would be the most important point...
@@Vic2point0 That wouldn't be holding puberty blockers to the same standard as other medications.
@@erisi6204 Maybe, maybe not, depends on the person. But we should tell parents the truth if we don't know how it's going to affect their kid.
Not to mention that this is all to accommodate a completely incoherent and inconsistent worldview to begin with.
@@Vic2point0 Nothing inconsistent about wanting to delay a puberty that would be incongruous with a person's gender identity until that person is of legal age to pursue hormone therapy if desired or they through social transition realise they're not trans.
Even the name, "Gender Identity Development Service", sounds so contrived - what other aspects of anyone's identity as a person need to be explicitly "developed" by external interventions?
Ok groomer
We should ideally be content with our lot.
Interesting video 👍.
webberly - “i know i’m right because my consumer base gave told me i’m right”
Rule 1 : always affirm the consumer
rule 2 : always affirm the consumer
Puberty blockers need to be outlawed, and parents should be charged with abuse!
the fall of the white man
2:06 désolée mon gars mais je ne ressens aucune sonorité pour toi. Je n'en ressentirai d'ailleurs jamais !
this comment section is like a bunch of redditors who can't stand having to call people by their preferred pronouns because it's "too much effort."
And what if a white man prefers to be called black? Or if a 10-year old prefers to be called an adult? Would you comply with that? After all, it's not hard to do...
@@Vic2point0 if the 10 year old can get strong depressive thoughts from not being treated like an adult and may be at risk of suicide if I don't treat them that way, then sure I'll call them an adult, I will never understand why you people seem to like to bully trans people, what the fuck did they do to you.
@@narconyx You're exposing part of the problem here: You think that questioning/disagreeing = bullying. Maybe we should teach kids instead that A. It *isn't* bullying/hate for someone to disagree with you, and B. You can cope with these feelings and events in a much healthier way. Trans people are still 18 times more likely to commit suicide even if they have the surgery, and there's no evidence to show a significant decrease in areas where it's more widely accepted.
Another problem with your solution is that it then leads to the legalization of child sexual abuse. If they are to be treated as an adult, then any grown man can be in a sexual relationship with them, under the premise that they're actually an adult (and if you say otherwise you're a -phobe of some kind). And of course we know such a thing could and would be overused. Any kid would *love* to have all the same rights and privileges as adults, whether they're prepared to have them or not. And so you'd see the number of trans-age (or whatever) kids skyrocket, and again, you'd be dismissed as a hateful bully if you dared to question any of it.
Also, I notice you skipped over the scenario of a white man identifying as black. Any particular reason?
@@Vic2point0 well, I see your point, but when calling someone female Pre-transition, they are obviously a male, and because of that limitations are applied, most Pre-transition people can't go in the opposite gender bathroom, but if they want to buy women's clothing, go for it. Same for a kid who wants to be an adult, if they want to have a more serious adult conversation, or wear more "adult like clothing" they can go for it, however, I wouldn't let them do anything that breaks the law. Sure, they can be treated more like an adult, but logic still must be applied,cause realistically, they are still a child.
@@narconyx But you can see how the same kind of rhetoric often thrown at us (people who disagree with transgenderism) could be thrown at you. You wouldn't let a child (who you'd be expected to call an adult, if such a movement were to take off) enter into a sexual relationship with a grown man. This could be reported by the media or others as you not acknowledging trans-age rights or even being *hateful* of trans-age people. And there wouldn't be any way to defend yourself against that without appealing to science and observation, by way of pointing out how they're a child even if they identify as or feel like an adult.
This is where we, who disagree with transgenderism, find ourselves concerning the present-day trans movement.
@Eri Si "Than what is your point,"
That transgenderism is a completely incoherent and inconsistent worldview and no one should be encouraging it, especially in children.
"you just seem attracted to any avenue that would facilitate discriminating trans people.
"
I don't see what the "discrimination" would be...
"Science affirms gender is real,"
Well of course it's real. But transgenderism requires people to confuse gender with the inclination/disinclination to adhere to gender roles and norms. That, or say "Well I just feel like I'm a woman", but that angle has its share of problems too. I suspect you don't want me to elaborate, however.
"that it is seperate to sex"
Not at all. Gender and biological sex are one and the same. That's why the roles we're expected to play solely on the basis of our biological sex are called "gender roles". People look at us, determine we are biologically male, and expect us to "act like" a man. What we "identify" as doesn't even come into the picture.
"Respecting someone's pronouns is one aspect that helps certain people greatly and is incredibly simple to do."
And this is where the inconsistency of the worldview comes in. It would also help any person who believes x (no matter how false) if we agreed with them that x was true. And it's *also* incredibly simple to do. And yet, time and time again, when I ask a trans person or advocate whether they'd call a white man black or a child an adult (if they so identified), I typically get a resounding "No".
"I find it strange that people argue over such things rather than accord someone respect and humanity."
And I find it strange that you think disagreeing = disrespecting, or that it's somehow denying them their humanity.
Biological sex and gender are not one and the same. Biological sex refers to physical characteristics, chromosomes, genitals, hormones etc... and gender to behaviours or characteristics that are associated with sex but don't nessesarily have to be adhered to so some boys might be more stereotypically 'feminine' and vice versa - if a boy displays more 'feminine' traits this does not necessitate that he should then transition to a female. Most people don't completely conform to their gender, we have always had 'tom boys' and 'effeminate men'
@@katiepert7746 See again, this is a confusion with gender roles/norms and gender itself. But sex and gender have always been interchangeable. This is the very reason why the roles we're expected to play solely on the basis of our biological sex, are called "gender roles" to begin with.
@@katiepert7746 just because they are masculine woman doesn't make them a man, it just make them a masculine woman, same with a feminine man
I felt a hjge empathy for Jade. It'd be nice to see an update on them
An astounding amount of ignorance in the comments. Do research before you go shouting about things you don't understand.
Oh plz enlighten us with ur wisdom
Your research is pseudo science
Yes, I'd like to know just what "research" actually refutes what most of us are saying too. Can any of you even post a link and summarize the findings here?
There is no quantitative research or clinical trial data that supports affirmative care or transitioning.
I have. Gender doesn't exist. You can't change sex. Leave females alone. It's ok to be gay.
Okay a guy wants to wear dresses and paint his nails with glitter.
Why the need to change your genitals? This is sexualising kids. The conversation should only be presented to them when they are considered adults, then they can make their own decisions and will be accountable for it.
There’s not even a mention of surgery until they’re at least 18 years old!!
This video has so much hate. This is not a joke and most of the people that have disliked this just look around on youtube, trying to find new trans content to hate on. Shame on those people. This video helped me a lot but because of all the hate and dislikes it will be harder to find.
@Michael Bobkov i agree, dont let kids do medical transitions but maybe let them experiment first?! When i was younger i experimented with all sorts of different pronouns, and it helped loads. to be honest though, i have changed my mind a lot on these opinions so i dont necessarily stand by everthing i said in this comment
Have you watched the excruciating stories of de-transitioners on youtube though? that's what we are trying to prevent.
Common sense is not hate.
Hahahahahaha
What the hell is wrong with this comment section?
These children's genitals aren't your business, let them be happy
lol
This is not parents' business? They will be there when their child is sufferring...not you.
@@onetwo19children dont suffer from sex changes, because they aren’t getting them.
So even though your birth certificate says one thing, u can now claim the other.?
These kinds of videos although I think they have good intentions are not good it questions people’s rights to best practice medical care and pushes the narrative that it’s not peer reviewed scientific facts that gender affirming care is the most effective and reliable treatment in the medical field
How can these drugs be "fully reversible"? Part of the effects of hormones in the body is bone development, so if a boy starts to take them prior to puberty he will forever be smaller and weaker because his puberty was stunted.
@HOACH Nope in Spain we are the tallest generation ever
This is only in your RICH England
It’s called a blocker for a reason. It only temporarily pauses puberty.
@@mjpink8408 Nonsense!
@@fabrizio483 Do you know how puberty works?
@@AGuy-vq9qp Do you?
When will we talk about the social contagion aspect? Or the fact that the highest suicide rate is 8 years after transition….
We, as a society, are supposed to pretend this is all normal. 🥲
The way she said estrogen
If there is a God, he needs to get here and start judging shit!
NOW!
@User 123 Ahh, see how the goalposts have to be moved now? First you say it isn't any of my business, now you're trying to justify the fact that it obviously *is* my business.
"you would also be contributing to other things like abortion,"
Yes, and I speak out against that also. Partly (though not primarily) because it is my business for that very reason.
"it’s just unfair that if you grew up in a more poorer financial situation that you have to go through most likely depression"
Except that you don't unless you adopt this worldview, despite its incoherence and inconsistency.
"it’s called anti discrimination,"
Also nonsense. How am I discriminating? Discrimination is not just people not doing and saying what you want them to say...
"and by you directly calling a women that’s trans a man is transphobic,"
A. Their biological gender is what it is, and I have every right to say what it is, just like you have every right to disagree.
and B. There is nothing in my disagreement that suggests I fear, hate, dislike, or have a prejudice against trans people. But nice try!
"just like if you think trans children should not have the right to healthcare that is transphobic,"
That doesn't follow either. And not only for the reasons I already gave, but also because I could even *support* people "transitioning" just not when they're children.
"and if you support trump you are homophobic and transphobic,"
A. That doesn't logically follow, even if we assume for the sake of argument that Trump himself is "homophobic" or "transphobic" (and if we go by your made-up definition which seems to be "disagrees with" homosexuality/transgenderism).
and B. I don't think any of the things on your list necessarily indicate that Trump is opposed to homosexuality/transgenderism.
"if they have been used for 40+yrs on cis kids with precocious puberty then that’s enough time to know the long term affects"
Oh so you meant to type "precocious" earlier, I see. Still, there's a difference between regulating an abnormal hormone issue and deciding to toy with it when there's no actual danger. Altering the body because the mind has adopted a worldview that doesn't stand up to scrutiny is just never a good idea.
Damn is this how denial starts
I do think that puberty blockers should be the only thing used before 17
blockers fully reversible
11:50 I love how they purposely call it hormones to make it seem like it's not that bad. We have an uglier word for it already... steroids, and we know it's not very healthy for you.
Are you dumb
more people are coming forward and only 0.5 regret doing so 199 out of 200 are much happier so dont go fear mongering bbc or that will stop many coming forward for life saving treatment when 46 percent attempt suicide. thank you.
#okgroomer
Wrong no meds for them parents should be in jail