I figured out what the melody in Thieves Like Us reminded me of. Don’t You Want Me by The Human League. “Working as a waitress in a cocktail bar.” Last two words have the same melody. More NEW ORDER Reactions: Movement: ruclips.net/video/EgKmD1ci_zc/видео.html Power, Corruption & Lies: ruclips.net/video/NLFeuqsfyno/видео.html Low-Life: ruclips.net/video/1xMT578v91g/видео.html Brotherhood: ruclips.net/video/lfbZkekSFA4/видео.html Substance - Part 2: ruclips.net/video/iiCJJA2GQxo/видео.html Technique: ruclips.net/video/IhuCL4_XJ6Q/видео.html Republic: ruclips.net/video/T15xIdjZzOc/видео.html Get Ready: ruclips.net/video/g9KnG-B9R_k/видео.html Waiting for the Sirens' Call: ruclips.net/video/x2_23JI884E/видео.html Lost Sirens: ruclips.net/video/19_3d_PqNCs/видео.html Music Complete: ruclips.net/video/XP2Mt29oJ7A/видео.html Discussion - Part 1: ruclips.net/video/yzkQ0K2-ipI/видео.html Discussion - Part 2: ruclips.net/video/jK8MmSmhXyE/видео.html Discussion - Part 3: ruclips.net/video/H5pE0paGplg/видео.html
At least the two songs are tonally appropriate. Sisquo’s “Thong Song” shares a melody with “Eleanor Rigby.” Hence it’s one of the greatest musical absurdities of all time.
Substance was released to help New Order out of a financial hole, the 12" versions were edited to fit the CD format of the day. I first heard the cassette version in 1987 whilst in the British Army doing trade training. Heaven 17 did a similar thing with their 12" compilation Endless, but that had the full length versions on from what I can remember, but they reduced the number of tracks on CD as was only a single CD.
Part of the fun of being a fan of New Order was trying to track down all the different versions and remixes and b-sides. Loved going to record shops to see if some import or rarity found its way onto the shelves.
You've reacted to Manchester's the Smiths, Joy Division and New Order, but you can't forget about the legendary Manchester post-punk band The Chameleons (UK). Their debut album, The Script of the Bridge, is now considered one the best and most influential post-punk albums of all-time. In his retrospective review, Ned Raggett of AllMusic praised the album, writing, "Script remains a high-water mark of what can generally be called post-punk music; an hour's worth of one amazing song after another", calling it "practically a greatest-hits record on its own".
I agree with the commenter who suggested Depeche Mode - Violator. It's post DP 101, which was essentially all of their 80s stuff. Violator might be their response to Disintegration. Something else I'd suggest, which starts to branch out in a different vein, is to make the connection from New Order to Underworld. Maybe it's already been suggested in other comments, but this is a great context to lead into Dubnobass and Second Toughest.
Hey, Alex. Almost two years late to reply. Glad you're listening to "Substance". This was the first N.O. album (technically a compilation) I ever listened to, waaaay back in 1988. Regarding "Thieves Like Us" (i.e. the song whose melody sounded familiar), it was actually on the soundtrack for the movie "Pretty In Pink". It was not released on the official movie soundtrack; however, New Order had apparently recorded their take on the whole soundtrack, but the producers only used "Shellshock" in the final cut of the released soundtrack. However, you definitely hear the instrumental version of "Thieves Like Us" play (it's the scene where Andie is modifying the infamous pink dress), as well as the haunting instrumental "Elegia" (from their album "Low-Life"). Cheers!
If Ian had lived, Joy Division still would have moved into a more synth-based, more danceable tracks, since the instrumentalists drove the sound and Ian wrote words around the jams, most bands evolve....but it's just that the songs would have had vastly different lyrics and Ian's deep vocals of course. I think with Ian singing, Ceremony would have been a big hit in the UK.
For me that is Substance. Fans go on about to the second side like it's wonderful. While there definitely are some gems like you get from good band's B sides, don't expect too much! As I've listened to your other NO album reviews, I correctly anticipated your reactions to a lot of the tracks. The funniest one was on Sub-Culture when you said, "Is Republic leaking in?" I had thought moments before that the backing vocals would remind you of Republic. On the whole, I hope you can see why NO fans value Substance in its own right. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family.
Memo to Alex: 1) Don't be afraid of Substance, part 2. For example, 1963 is one of their best. 2) Temptation is a bit of a monster in their current, surprisingly non-geriatric live set. You may be surprised/disappointed how non-sulky their onstage presence is these days. Kinda dilutes the mystery, but at the same time it's good to see Bernard whooping. ruclips.net/video/zfuWyd8jpM0/видео.html
Temptation and Confusion were rerecorded for Substance... I never really liked the 7” (a.k.a rough mix) version of Confusion... The 12” is better, but the song came to life when I got Substance on vinyl and think the 1987 version is one of NO’s best tracks. The only song that isn’t better on Substance is Subculture imo. Subculture is great on Low-Life and on MIF17, but the single version is not as good. You’re listening to an edited 12” Perfect Kiss. It didn’t fit on the CD. That’s the main reason I’ve got the vinyl!
True Faith is one of my all time faves. Unusual for NO as they got a known producer in for it...the guy who produced the Pet Shop Boys!! that's why it sounds a bit...Pet Shop Boy-ish? Poppy. Still...it's a good POP song.
If you want a nice New Order curveball "Don't do it" b side to, I can't remember, but great! Strange, Everything's Gone Green gets better every listen to me. "Too Late" is a must off the peel sessions! But enjoyed watching your reactions, thanks. I think the innocence of Joy Division and earlier New Order will always have the upper hand for those who were closer to it at the time. Like to see your reaction to "OK Computer if you haven't already. Cheers.
Sadly, the original music video for Shellshock was removed from RUclips and replaced with a boring, modern "promotional" video. I don't like when artists do it. Let the original video live one, with all its quirks and its low image quality.
Everything’s Gone Green will grow on you. It is one of my top 10 NO songs. The original Confusion is much better IMHO. Also check out the Confusion video.
Part 2 has the song 'Procession', which is my favourite New Order song; It starts with an ethereal trickle of synth, then you get shot into this post-punky world of lush basslines and guitar, along with rythmic, fast pased drumming. Paired with dreary lyrics, it's a perfect transition from Joy Division to New Order. (I believe it's also one of the only New Order tracks to feature Gillian singing in the background.) Can't wait to see your reaction to it! :)
The film "Pretty in Pink" featured three New Order songs... "Shellshock", "Thieves Like Us", and "Elegia". So glad you like New Order. They are my #7 favorite band of all-time. The Smiths rank #2. The Cure rank #5. The Stone Roses come in at #8. Coldplay is #10. Radiohead is #16. Seriously, you're hitting on all my honest to goodness favorites.
True Faith is the song that made me love New Order. I think I'd heard Bizarre Love Triangle, but it wasn't until later that I realised that I really liked BLT.
I already mentioned it a few videos ago but I just read the upcoming albums you're going to react to and if you do Electronic's debut album, definitely react to Monaco's Music For Pleasure. It's the best New Order side-project album in my opinion.
The Substance version of The Perfect Kiss is full-length. If you re-listen to the album version, you'll notice that the cut in the middle of the song is kinda botched. Otherwise the production of Low Life is high quality.
They re-recorded Temptation and Confusion for Substance, not sure why, the originals are more interesting. [edit] You can hear the drum sound, it's the same as True Faith, the last track, which was a fresh composition around the same time.
Thieves Like Us began as a cover of Emmaline by Hot Chocolate... lots of NO songs start as bad attempts at covers that get transformed... lots of Brothers Johnson influences this period as well... Hooky basically grabbed the basslines straight off those records... hence the song title ;)
That's a crap version of Confusion too. Temptation and Confusion were both re-recorded for this compilation album...so you're not hearing the real versions.
@@mana3735 The substance version of Perfect Kiss is actually the 12" version without the whole outro thing. To me the re-recorded versions are much more polished and are mastered much better.
Interesting reaction to True Faith. I don't know if you know this, but the same guy worked with NO on it as worked with them on Republic. The chief difference is that TF is regarded as a great song, but you can definitely see points they have in common too.
It has always amazed me that although I consider myself a NO purist I prefer the Subculture single than the Album version. I think it's something that fits them. But I totally understand why people think I'll of it. I mean John Robbie really did a number on it. NO's new line up has combined the two versions in their tours. The BLT version of Substance missing that Bass is definitely unforgivable.
Your remark about the direction the band was going, even prior to the suicide of Ian Curtis, makes me think of the question,,, "Would they have become as popular, or even more popular if Ian Curtis had lived?" Do Ian's vocals go well with the musical direction they were going? I don't know. Just another musical mystery.
If you react to The Cure like you did with David Bowie, you should listen to boys don’t cry instead of three imaginary boys. You should also listen to Japanese whispers because that’s the exact moment where Robert Smith reinvented The Cure.
Confusion is different and a one off. Done in NYC with Arthur Baker (Planet Rock...so many more). They were in NYC going to clubs like Paradise Garage and Danceteria, and got caught up in the moment.
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I figured out what the melody in Thieves Like Us reminded me of.
Don’t You Want Me by The Human League.
“Working as a waitress in a cocktail bar.”
Last two words have the same melody.
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I love when a great song shares similarities with another great song.
At least the two songs are tonally appropriate. Sisquo’s “Thong Song” shares a melody with “Eleanor Rigby.” Hence it’s one of the greatest musical absurdities of all time.
I always thought Thieves was a nod to the Human League.
Sound on Sound article about recording True Faith: www.soundonsound.com/techniques/classic-tracks-new-order-true-faith
Totally a tribute to HL
God the perfect kiss is just so so good
yep tell em, plenty more though.
My Fav new order song
The B-Sides are pretty essential to this compilation...just as good as the A-Sides imo.
Ceremony is amazing ;c
My favorite song in the history of the world.
@@rexgoodheart3471 me too
Temptation is timeless goodness.
Substance was released to help New Order out of a financial hole, the 12" versions were edited to fit the CD format of the day. I first heard the cassette version in 1987 whilst in the British Army doing trade training.
Heaven 17 did a similar thing with their 12" compilation Endless, but that had the full length versions on from what I can remember, but they reduced the number of tracks on CD as was only a single CD.
Part of the fun of being a fan of New Order was trying to track down all the different versions and remixes and b-sides. Loved going to record shops to see if some import or rarity found its way onto the shelves.
You've reacted to Manchester's the Smiths, Joy Division and New Order, but you can't forget about the legendary Manchester post-punk band The Chameleons (UK).
Their debut album, The Script of the Bridge, is now considered one the best and most influential post-punk albums of all-time.
In his retrospective review, Ned Raggett of AllMusic praised the album, writing, "Script remains a high-water mark of what can generally be called post-punk music; an hour's worth of one amazing song after another", calling it "practically a greatest-hits record on its own".
Swamp Thing!!
True faith
Thievis like us
Temptation
The perfect Kiss
1963
Bizarre love triangle
Blue monday
New Order my favorite band
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Temptation is my all time favourite feel good song, I always play it getting ready to go out..fantastic
Great, I've been waiting for this one. Now I'm excited for the second part!
I agree with the commenter who suggested Depeche Mode - Violator. It's post DP 101, which was essentially all of their 80s stuff. Violator might be their response to Disintegration.
Something else I'd suggest, which starts to branch out in a different vein, is to make the connection from New Order to Underworld. Maybe it's already been suggested in other comments, but this is a great context to lead into Dubnobass and Second Toughest.
Hey, Alex. Almost two years late to reply. Glad you're listening to "Substance". This was the first N.O. album (technically a compilation) I ever listened to, waaaay back in 1988.
Regarding "Thieves Like Us" (i.e. the song whose melody sounded familiar), it was actually on the soundtrack for the movie "Pretty In Pink". It was not released on the official movie soundtrack; however, New Order had apparently recorded their take on the whole soundtrack, but the producers only used "Shellshock" in the final cut of the released soundtrack. However, you definitely hear the instrumental version of "Thieves Like Us" play (it's the scene where Andie is modifying the infamous pink dress), as well as the haunting instrumental "Elegia" (from their album "Low-Life").
Cheers!
That longer version of Temptation is spectacular.
If Ian had lived, Joy Division still would have moved into a more synth-based, more danceable tracks, since the instrumentalists drove the sound and Ian wrote words around the jams, most bands evolve....but it's just that the songs would have had vastly different lyrics and Ian's deep vocals of course. I think with Ian singing, Ceremony would have been a big hit in the UK.
Sonic Youth has a great discography to dive into
Both Hooky and Bernard were born just up the road from me. Good lads.
The 12" of Perfect Kiss is not the version from the video, that is even longer.
For me that is Substance. Fans go on about to the second side like it's wonderful. While there definitely are some gems like you get from good band's B sides, don't expect too much! As I've listened to your other NO album reviews, I correctly anticipated your reactions to a lot of the tracks. The funniest one was on Sub-Culture when you said, "Is Republic leaking in?" I had thought moments before that the backing vocals would remind you of Republic. On the whole, I hope you can see why NO fans value Substance in its own right. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family.
This album exists because Tony Wilson wanted all the New Order 12 inch singles on CD for his car.
They trimmed some of the end off Perfect Kiss to fit on the CDs of the day.
Memo to Alex:
1) Don't be afraid of Substance, part 2. For example, 1963 is one of their best.
2) Temptation is a bit of a monster in their current, surprisingly non-geriatric live set. You may be surprised/disappointed how non-sulky their onstage presence is these days. Kinda dilutes the mystery, but at the same time it's good to see Bernard whooping.
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Red House Painters please. As always-great reaction!
I’m thinking of throwing it into Poll #5!
Temptation and Confusion were rerecorded for Substance... I never really liked the 7” (a.k.a rough mix) version of Confusion... The 12” is better, but the song came to life when I got Substance on vinyl and think the 1987 version is one of NO’s best tracks.
The only song that isn’t better on Substance is Subculture imo. Subculture is great on Low-Life and on MIF17, but the single version is not as good.
You’re listening to an edited 12” Perfect Kiss. It didn’t fit on the CD. That’s the main reason I’ve got the vinyl!
True Faith is one of my all time faves. Unusual for NO as they got a known producer in for it...the guy who produced the Pet Shop Boys!! that's why it sounds a bit...Pet Shop Boy-ish? Poppy. Still...it's a good POP song.
If you want a nice New Order curveball "Don't do it" b side to, I can't remember, but great! Strange, Everything's Gone Green gets better every listen to me. "Too Late" is a must off the peel sessions! But enjoyed watching your reactions, thanks. I think the innocence of Joy Division and earlier New Order will always have the upper hand for those who were closer to it at the time. Like to see your reaction to "OK Computer if you haven't already. Cheers.
bowie hypee
What an awesome collection of music!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And, my god, who could not love True Faith?
Check out Dog Man Star by Suede, possibly the best British indie album of the 90’s and heavily influenced by Bowie.
Some of this is painful to watch. Did you ever listen to the original singles, e.g., Ceremony and Temptation?
Hi ! You should react to one Bjork album, for instance Vespertine or Homogenic. Cheers !
Sadly, the original music video for Shellshock was removed from RUclips and replaced with a boring, modern "promotional" video. I don't like when artists do it. Let the original video live one, with all its quirks and its low image quality.
The Ocean Blue. React.
There is a much better produced recording of Ceremony than the one on this compilation. I love the song, but not this version.
I find the Subculture remix a bit too over-the-top...I've uploaded the rarer, better version. It's on my channel.
I hate this version of Temptation. The vocals are crap.
It sounds so tinny. The best version is the 6 minute one that was originally released. The sound is so lush and roundedm
Yeah, I wouldn't react to disc 2...you'd just be wasting your time really.
Thanks Alex. ”True Faith” is a masterpiece.
Everything’s Gone Green will grow on you. It is one of my top 10 NO songs. The original Confusion is much better IMHO. Also check out the Confusion video.
+ 1 - a brilliant song.
Please oh please, if you haven't heard Violator by Depeche Mode please react to it
Everything's Gone Green sounds good with headphones!
Part 2 has the song 'Procession', which is my favourite New Order song; It starts with an ethereal trickle of synth, then you get shot into this post-punky world of lush basslines and guitar, along with rythmic, fast pased drumming. Paired with dreary lyrics, it's a perfect transition from Joy Division to New Order. (I believe it's also one of the only New Order tracks to feature Gillian singing in the background.)
Can't wait to see your reaction to it! :)
Gillian's on 'Doubts Even Here' from the first LP though not singing as such. I am pretty sure she's part of the chorus on the Confusion 12" as well.
@@mhgilham Oh! Thank you for pointing that out :)
The film "Pretty in Pink" featured three New Order songs... "Shellshock", "Thieves Like Us", and "Elegia". So glad you like New Order. They are my #7 favorite band of all-time. The Smiths rank #2. The Cure rank #5. The Stone Roses come in at #8. Coldplay is #10. Radiohead is #16. Seriously, you're hitting on all my honest to goodness favorites.
What’s your favorite band?
True Faith is the song that made me love New Order. I think I'd heard Bizarre Love Triangle, but it wasn't until later that I realised that I really liked BLT.
I already mentioned it a few videos ago but I just read the upcoming albums you're going to react to and if you do Electronic's debut album, definitely react to Monaco's Music For Pleasure. It's the best New Order side-project album in my opinion.
I'm always down for more Peter Hook!
The Substance version of The Perfect Kiss is full-length. If you re-listen to the album version, you'll notice that the cut in the middle of the song is kinda botched. Otherwise the production of Low Life is high quality.
They re-recorded Temptation and Confusion for Substance, not sure why, the originals are more interesting. [edit] You can hear the drum sound, it's the same as True Faith, the last track, which was a fresh composition around the same time.
Thieves Like Us began as a cover of Emmaline by Hot Chocolate... lots of NO songs start as bad attempts at covers that get transformed... lots of Brothers Johnson influences this period as well... Hooky basically grabbed the basslines straight off those records... hence the song title ;)
That's a crap version of Confusion too. Temptation and Confusion were both re-recorded for this compilation album...so you're not hearing the real versions.
the re-recorded Temptation is far better imo
@@CeeJayDee94 The vocals sound so weak on the re-recorded versions.
The re-recorded versions are better. Also the substance version of The Perfect Kiss is far better IMO
@@nicolasgerman5457 The substance version of Perfect Kiss IS the original 12". The re-recorded versions are shit and sound so weak. soulless.
@@mana3735 The substance version of Perfect Kiss is actually the 12" version without the whole outro thing. To me the re-recorded versions are much more polished and are mastered much better.
Interesting reaction to True Faith. I don't know if you know this, but the same guy worked with NO on it as worked with them on Republic. The chief difference is that TF is regarded as a great song, but you can definitely see points they have in common too.
He kinda forgets when he talks about Everything's Gone Green having parts from all the other songs he likes, that IT CAME FIRST.
React to morrissey solo albums
I've been anticipating this
1980 version of ceremony is a lot better in terms of production and sound quality. Original 12” of temptation is also better than this version.
It has always amazed me that although I consider myself a NO purist I prefer the Subculture single than the Album version. I think it's something that fits them. But I totally understand why people think I'll of it. I mean John Robbie really did a number on it. NO's new line up has combined the two versions in their tours. The BLT version of Substance missing that Bass is definitely unforgivable.
Everything's Gone Green is like "Blue Monday X Joy Division". LOL
Your remark about the direction the band was going, even prior to the suicide of Ian Curtis, makes me think of the question,,, "Would they have become as popular, or even more popular if Ian Curtis had lived?" Do Ian's vocals go well with the musical direction they were going? I don't know. Just another musical mystery.
Subscribed, mate.
the blood orange with gin or tequila is fantastic !
If you react to The Cure like you did with David Bowie, you should listen to boys don’t cry instead of three imaginary boys. You should also listen to Japanese whispers because that’s the exact moment where Robert Smith reinvented The Cure.
big brain
Confusion is different and a one off. Done in NYC with Arthur Baker (Planet Rock...so many more). They were in NYC going to clubs like Paradise Garage and Danceteria, and got caught up in the moment.
Belle & Sebastian's Electronic Renaissance is almost a rip off of Procession, from disc 2.
In terms of the bowie albums, it would be a shame to miss young americans and lets dance, would recommend
I’ll go back and check em out if I enjoyed albums from those eras. And if not in a reaction, certainly in my off time.
There is an edit of this version of BLT that does retain some of the bass playing.
Also Alex, check out Idaho.
The melody from thieves like us sounds like the “last year you gave me your heart and the next year you gave it away” melody
I am not sure what you mean by 'sounds like' as the Thieves melody is not similar at all to 'Last Christmas."
@@mhgilham lol revisiting this comment and I sincerely have no idea what I’m on about ahahaha
I might be talking about the synth melody but even that’s a stretch aha