That really helps me understand tail dragger ground controls/ landings better. I am more prepared to fly a kitfox and land it without doing a ground loop and snappin my main gear! Even though this was for a cessna!
Cute video always learning . We have a Stearman and an L3 both are prone to ground loop especially on pavement. Right at the start of the loop if the plane is going right push the stick forward and left that picks up the tail and the left wing . It will give you time to regain control through flight control. I tell people that have tri-gear landing a taildragger is like backing a trigear down the runway at 60 mph . Great video watching these gives you tips directly from The guys that flew them and not handed down 3 or 4 generations.
On the ground, use AILERONS PROPORTIONALY & OPPOSITE to the needed rudder. Any other use (like driving car) is to accelerate planes demise. The larger AILERONS will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS overpower the smaller, stalling rudder, esp. as the relative wind shifts to prevaleing Xwind as plane slows. R Fuchs CFI 1507987
Thx 🙏 The Bird Dog is a super unique plane! No compare to orher taildraggers. It’s a sleeping beast that can bite you. Just last week a super experienced FAA Instructor crashed a Birddog in the US in a Checkflight. When you think you can master a Taildragger, you didn’t took a ride in the Birddog. You can have 10 landings without any issues and number 11 is exactly the same landing with the same conditions,…. And the bird dog will bite you! That’s what makes this beauty so nasty and sadly we loose each year 10-16 planes if the only 220 left in flying condition. And 3-4 get rebuilt each year. We had newcomers with 12000 flying hours that crashed and also air craft carriers pilots of the navy,…. Sadly they all Groundlooped. No time to be asleep in the bird dog
Woa! That whole throttle bit was not described fully. When the gust is from the right and nose pulls right, it works as stated. But when the gust is from the left and the nose pulls left, adding throttle will torque you even more left and you're dead meat (ground loop for sure). And so, [apparently, anyhow] throttle only works when the gust is from the right (or when the nose pulls right from some other reason). BTW, the whole aileron bit sorta makes sense from a logical perspective, but is extremely counter-intuitive because pushing the stick right to lower the right wing turns the airplane to the right while flying... and hence is strongly habituated. So strongly habituated in fact that I question whether fighting ground loop with aileron is a good approach (except as a last resort, and for those who can take counter-intuitive actions quickly when appropriate).
I'm very low on hours, so the whole thing is counterintuitive for me. From what I've seen however, the best way to handle cross winds is the same as drifting in a car, just turn into the skid. Am I missing something or do you practice something else so much that it's hard to remember to turn into the wind?
I hate taildraggers and their effing ground loops. EFF Army and Cessna for chosing taildragger layout. In fact EFF everyone who invented taildrag layout, and EFF everyone who suppourts that accursed technology application.
Taildraggers select the men from the boys for more than 100 years now. It’s nothing to be afraid of. Just never stop flying the plane until you reach parking position. And the advantage of Taildragger on Gras or gravel is mindblowing. But it’s true….. not everyone is born for a Taildragger. And the Bird dog is the beast of the Taildraggers. This lady bites you when you expect it least. But the FUNFACTOR is the reason why I fly them… they make endless fun !!!
@@Viethist Yeah that's helpful. The wisdom of "If at 1st U don't succeed, try, try again" has no application in aviation, parachuting, and deep ocean diving.
@@dkoz8321 okay first of all I am BSAC and CMAS and PADI technical diving instructor for TriMix way beyond 100m or 330ft. So I guess I do better understand what you mean. If you start a TriMix dive to 100m without training, this is the best way into the newspaper’s. You start shallow, then you make the deep brevet, then Nitrox, then accelerated decompression, then train 40-50 dives at 60m. Donyour skills down there, then make the next level Deep 80 and do 20-50 dives there, and then !!!! NOT EARLIER!!!! then you might be prepared for a 100m dive…… And it the same with the Birddog You start with a J3 or Cub, then proceed to a Supercub, than if you have the chance go for a Decathlon or a shitty Husky. Then try a Maule and then when you have experience go to the Birddog!!!! If you can’t handle a Taildragger: ITS NEVER THE PLANE…… ITS THE WEAK AIRMANSHIP OF THE PILOT
If only the rudder pedals weren't setup backwards in the first place.....left foot back and right foot forward should indicate a nose left result but someone in the beginning thought that it should be "press right to go right" counter intuitive.....bank right - stick to the right......nose down - push the stick to push the nose down......rudder pedals go the opposite to aircraft rotation around the yaw axis......never understood that.....never will.....
Rifleman7kw how on earth is that counter intuitive? Want to go right? Step on the right pedal. If it was the other way you would step on the left pedal to go right, pedals are stepped on not pulled on. Why would you think it makes more sense to step on the left pedal to turn to the right?
Unlike a tricycle gear aircraft, in a tailwheel machine where you set behind the landing gear, when you feel your body going to the left, you are actually turning to the right, and vice versa. You have to visually concentrate on which way the nose is pointed and ignore what you are feeling in the seat of your pants.
I’m with Rifleman on this; first time I tried it, I got completely cross wired despite ‘knowing’ what I was supposed to do. Later, I figured out why...steering with my feet took my brain right back to my childhood when we used to knock together gokarts* from old wooden boxes, 4x2 wood, and pram wheels. Your steering was a bit of rope tied to the ends of the swivelling front axle, and the power assist was your feet pressed against said axle, soo, to turn left, you pushed forward with your right foot....! (Oddly enough, often causing a ground loop as the whole cart rolled over) *I believe they were also called ‘soap box’ carts - ours weren’t; ours were ‘Bomdem’ carts as the best wooden boxes had “Bomb Demolition” stencilled on them, and were probably the same vintage as the plane in this clip!
Don't know why but it seemed natural to me the first time I taxy'd an aircraft (G-BFFC At Leeds Bradford airport). The instructor explained it to me and I just got on with it.
If youre bringing your own bad habits and biases with you, that doesnt constitute counter-intuitive. Rudder pedals have worked that way for over 100 years.
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That really helps me understand tail dragger ground controls/ landings better. I am more prepared to fly a kitfox and land it without doing a ground loop and snappin my main gear! Even though this was for a cessna!
Cute video always learning . We have a Stearman and an L3 both are prone to ground loop especially on pavement. Right at the start of the loop if the plane is going right push the stick forward and left that picks up the tail and the left wing . It will give you time to regain control through flight control. I tell people that have tri-gear landing a taildragger is like backing a trigear down the runway at 60 mph . Great video watching these gives you tips directly from The guys that flew them and not handed down 3 or 4 generations.
In the 50s Ppl used to pay more attention to cartoons
On the ground, use AILERONS PROPORTIONALY & OPPOSITE to the needed rudder.
Any other use (like driving car) is to accelerate planes demise.
The larger AILERONS will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS overpower the smaller, stalling rudder, esp. as the relative wind shifts to prevaleing Xwind as plane slows.
R Fuchs CFI 1507987
Thx 🙏
The Bird Dog is a super unique plane!
No compare to orher taildraggers. It’s a sleeping beast that can bite you. Just last week a super experienced FAA Instructor crashed a Birddog in the US in a Checkflight. When you think you can master a Taildragger, you didn’t took a ride in the Birddog. You can have 10 landings without any issues and number 11 is exactly the same landing with the same conditions,…. And the bird dog will bite you! That’s what makes this beauty so nasty and sadly we loose each year 10-16 planes if the only 220 left in flying condition. And 3-4 get rebuilt each year. We had newcomers with 12000 flying hours that crashed and also air craft carriers pilots of the navy,…. Sadly they all Groundlooped. No time to be asleep in the bird dog
Woa! That whole throttle bit was not described fully. When the gust is from the right and nose pulls right, it works as stated. But when the gust is from the left and the nose pulls left, adding throttle will torque you even more left and you're dead meat (ground loop for sure). And so, [apparently, anyhow] throttle only works when the gust is from the right (or when the nose pulls right from some other reason). BTW, the whole aileron bit sorta makes sense from a logical perspective, but is extremely counter-intuitive because pushing the stick right to lower the right wing turns the airplane to the right while flying... and hence is strongly habituated. So strongly habituated in fact that I question whether fighting ground loop with aileron is a good approach (except as a last resort, and for those who can take counter-intuitive actions quickly when appropriate).
I'm very low on hours, so the whole thing is counterintuitive for me. From what I've seen however, the best way to handle cross winds is the same as drifting in a car, just turn into the skid. Am I missing something or do you practice something else so much that it's hard to remember to turn into the wind?
@@jameswhitman3934 that's a great analogy!
Nothin like flight training and learning how handle anxiety from the US AAC haha
I used to fly an L-19 on wheels, floats, and skis. I sure wish I'd been able to watch this first! 😄
Are there anymore videos like this?
I know you asked this a year ago but there is an entire series of these videos on RUclips
@@texasl-19birddogjimmiles34 Thanks, Jim, do you have a link for them?
Note that they never recommend wheel landings. Which I never found any use for, even in strong crosswinds.
Awesome video! I love it.
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I hate taildraggers and their effing ground loops. EFF Army and Cessna for chosing taildragger layout. In fact EFF everyone who invented taildrag layout, and EFF everyone who suppourts that accursed technology application.
Taildraggers select the men from the boys for more than 100 years now. It’s nothing to be afraid of. Just never stop flying the plane until you reach parking position. And the advantage of Taildragger on Gras or gravel is mindblowing. But it’s true….. not everyone is born for a Taildragger. And the Bird dog is the beast of the Taildraggers. This lady bites you when you expect it least. But the FUNFACTOR is the reason why I fly them… they make endless fun !!!
@@Viethist Yeah that's helpful. The wisdom of "If at 1st U don't succeed, try, try again" has no application in aviation, parachuting, and deep ocean diving.
@@dkoz8321 okay first of all I am BSAC and CMAS and PADI technical diving instructor for TriMix way beyond 100m or 330ft. So I guess I do better understand what you mean. If you start a TriMix dive to 100m without training, this is the best way into the newspaper’s. You start shallow, then you make the deep brevet, then Nitrox, then accelerated decompression, then train 40-50 dives at 60m. Donyour skills down there, then make the next level Deep 80 and do 20-50 dives there, and then !!!! NOT EARLIER!!!! then you might be prepared for a 100m dive……
And it the same with the Birddog
You start with a J3 or Cub, then proceed to a Supercub, than if you have the chance go for a Decathlon or a shitty Husky. Then try a Maule and then when you have experience go to the Birddog!!!!
If you can’t handle a Taildragger:
ITS NEVER THE PLANE……
ITS THE WEAK AIRMANSHIP OF THE PILOT
Boohoo, crybaby. Why don't you learn to fly?
Every taildragger pilot should watch this will also help the nose gear drivers.
If only the rudder pedals weren't setup backwards in the first place.....left foot back and right foot forward should indicate a nose left result but someone in the beginning thought that it should be "press right to go right" counter intuitive.....bank right - stick to the right......nose down - push the stick to push the nose down......rudder pedals go the opposite to aircraft rotation around the yaw axis......never understood that.....never will.....
Rifleman7kw how on earth is that counter intuitive? Want to go right? Step on the right pedal. If it was the other way you would step on the left pedal to go right, pedals are stepped on not pulled on. Why would you think it makes more sense to step on the left pedal to turn to the right?
Unlike a tricycle gear aircraft, in a tailwheel machine where you set behind the landing gear, when you feel your body going to the left, you are actually turning to the right, and vice versa. You have to visually concentrate on which way the nose is pointed and ignore what you are feeling in the seat of your pants.
I’m with Rifleman on this; first time I tried it, I got completely cross wired despite ‘knowing’ what I was supposed to do. Later, I figured out why...steering with my feet took my brain right back to my childhood when we used to knock together gokarts* from old wooden boxes, 4x2 wood, and pram wheels. Your steering was a bit of rope tied to the ends of the swivelling front axle, and the power assist was your feet pressed against said axle, soo, to turn left, you pushed forward with your right foot....! (Oddly enough, often causing a ground loop as the whole cart rolled over)
*I believe they were also called ‘soap box’ carts - ours weren’t; ours were ‘Bomdem’ carts as the best wooden boxes had “Bomb Demolition” stencilled on them, and were probably the same vintage as the plane in this clip!
Don't know why but it seemed natural to me the first time I taxy'd an aircraft (G-BFFC At Leeds Bradford airport). The instructor explained it to me and I just got on with it.
If youre bringing your own bad habits and biases with you, that doesnt constitute counter-intuitive.
Rudder pedals have worked that way for over 100 years.