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Idk if it's the trails, the move, or just experience, but Evan your riding has drastically improved! This is one of your best videos yet. The tech and upgrade aspect blended with some good riding is great! Thank you for uploading
I know the bike is "heavier" but you hands down look 100 times better on this bike than you did the yeti. Keep us posted on how NOBL customer service goes on the wheels! I agree with a few of the other comments about maybe more tire pressure or even though heavier a tougher casing? Rad on Canyon to give you the difference back! Says a lot about their customer service for sure! That bike now for under $3000 is almost like a pre-covid deal!!!!
there is also the option of an insert, I smashed a set of enduro rims and swapped them for some trail rims during the pandemic and with an insert I've had 0 issues, massively helps with tire stability, lower pressures and rim protection.
@@martinhaba5445 foam inserts for the tires, they do a few different jobs but the main ones are protecting the rim allowing you to run lower pressure and the second ome is supporting the tire side to side helping negate tire roll.
actually 85% of the weight saving was the carbon crankarm. At least he spent twice as much as an SLX drivetrain costs :)) (fun fact: an XTR crankset is only 30g heavier than this carbon one)
Just the frame is 1,5kg difference :) btw slx is great, shifting under load is better like with cable sram gx or x01. Im going to rid of my GX drivetrain, which is garbage and put slx instead. Also brakes are great. Using 2 pistons slx on my xc bike. SLX drivetrain is 30-40% cheaper like GX and weights just 100g more. slx is by far the best value for money.
@@theuglydumpling4772 yeah, slx cranks is same weight like XT just 10g difference. deore is so heavy. Best combo is slx cassette , cranks and xt shifter and deraileur.
Get over the weight thing and get Cushcore - at least for the rear. I found it not only protects the rim, but stiffens the sidewall at lower pressures. So my cornering speed increased.
Not needed for Bentonville, just run a decent trail rim and slightly higher pressures. you generally want faster rolling tires due to the lack of downhill. Lower pressures are just gonna squirm on the berms there (remember Bville is like 90% flow trails)
I would surely accept some more weight in the wheels in trade for not having them break like a plastic toy. That g-out after the rock garden should not have been enough to flat a tire much less break a rim. I hope they have a better model than those.
The TR32 is a light XC rim and I don't know if I would even use it for gravel. The TR37s are for enduro or AM and I can say that mine have held up better than any alloy rim that they replaced. In NOBL's lineup, that would probably be the best tool for the job.
I highly doubt that a CushCore would've saved the rim in this case. I busted 3 rims myself, carelessly just letting the bike plow through rock gardens. Need a combination of heavier duty casing, tougher rim, more tire pressure, and tire insert, IMO.
@@BryanKeller724 CushCore, with semi-low pressure (21-23psi), and EXO casing tires = cause of multiple busted rims for me. CushCore, SG plus sized tire with relatively high pressure (20 psi for plus is quite firm) = cause of busted rim (plus tires are notoriously bad for bottoming when plowing over chunky rocks). SG tire with no insert, and 27-29 psi, so far so good. Not even rim strikes. Felt like I lost something, but I forgot what that something is. Tried riding an old bike, and it felt flimsy and was stopping to see if the tire pressure was low due to squirm. Don't miss the low pressure, and feel more emboldened to venture further from civilization with this level of reliability.
Nah it wouldn't have saved that rim, he took an ultralight XC rim through a rock garden at full send, results were predictable. He should see if NOBL will let him upgrade to the TR35 for his warranty replacement.
@@Varaxis After killing 2 Ibis S35s in a year I just went all in and built a set of DT Swiss FR560s, on EXO+ tires at about the same pressures you run, zero issues even through high speed rock gardens at full send.
You just need to run a stronger sidewall. It looks like that Dissector is an EXO. No one should be running less than an EXO+ in rocky or rough terrain.
All great info. Thanks for sharing. Seems obvious that the wheel set, and less rotating mass, makes the greatest difference. Even more that just the static weight savings.
Coming from an older FS 26er it was surprising to me how heavy a modern long-low-slack bike is with larger wheels, dropper, and beefier suspension; which led me down the weight saving path as well. One easily overlooked item is the fork through axle. Fox weighs 115 gm, OneUp weighs 61gm, and It's also one of the cheapest items per gram of weight savings you can get!
Part of the weight increase is a trend towards installing more durable components and accepting the increased weight. Weight weenieing anything outside of an XC race bike is usually a lot of money and a lot of broken parts
Yeah… like others have said those are XC race rims. Not the rims for that kind of riding. Different story if he threw some inserts and good tire pressure in there. Was the rear shock unlocked? Lol
I have no interest in carbon rims for a mountain bike. Makes the ride less comfortable and anyone who claims carbon is more reliable than aluminum is just wrong.
for an enduro bike that is pretty ok starting weight, you going from trail/XC to enduro is a whole new experience, weight doesn’t affect how well you can master a trick it is the process of repeating the trick, but upgrades are upgrades
Those wheels should not have failed on that rock garden. Maybe try Cush core in the rear? Makes the ride feel much better unless you prefer weight savings over performance
The price drop made me sad. I had saved up a lot to get this bike as it was one I've had my eye on since the European release. I got an email from Canyon about the 125 price drop 3 months after my purchase but they denied me stating they only do 30 day price match. I really didn't expect the price to drop so soon and I would have waited the extra 3 months if I knew! Then I could have made these awesome upgrades too! I guess I should foresight next time since Canyon usually release models early to UK and US at a delay... lesson learned 😥
I got mine on discount, barely at the red line of calendar.. And as there was issue with shipping/card.. price went up when i wanted to buy again.. And they honored 1st lower price. I didint know in case you buy lets say 5000$ bike and it goes to 4500$ within 30 days of your purchase they will refund you with 500$. Do they give credit to buy their stuff or actuall refund to the bank account. Do you know ?
Hi, I am under your weight goal on my Mondraker Foxy carbon 2019. Some of the things which helped: Non plus components hubs - multi engagement rathet, ebike ready but significantly lighter than industry 9 (86g front 169g rear) Berd spokes. I built the wheels myself, though its not for the faint hearted but Berd can build your weels for you. the spokes would come down to 80g total and are lighter than water Enduro speced wheelset weights 1460g with ALU rims (to avoid the rockgarden experience you ve had) fox transfer SL post at 340g kcnc cassette at 320g, compatible with Eagle and has a more even stepping with a 9-52 range. Reminds me of the protottype AXS cassette Selle italia corbonio SLR, if you choose the correct shape the meager padding is actually sufficient (130g) I also got myself a 4iiii powermeter, but stuck to the xx1 crankset with absoluteblack oval chainring (420g) xx1 derailleur with Hopp carbon parts 200g and kcnc pulleys (this is way overboard and makes the derailleur more fragile plus is not a great value for money BTW) you could also save a lot by running lighter tyres, DHR/DHF combo with EXO skin save you some 200g compared to what your bike is wearing. You could save an additional 100g if you go DHr front and back and have only a 2.4 width on both, but you are compromising on rolling resistance and somewhat on downhill speed XTR SPD pedals with a titanium axle 260g, the axle is only 50 euros extra plus getting your hands dirty tubolito spare tube on the bike, 48g (people do carry spares, so this does count in. wolftooth toolset, chainbreaker and tubeles repair stowed away in the handlebars, 133g altogether Giant CO2 pump stowed away in the fork tube 133g On the road weight with a bottle of water (the 900ml fidlock) is 14.5kg, this is on a bike with 160mm front fox 36 and 150mm dxp2 back travel If I switched to a more recent frame, an extra 600g would be saved by that switch I could save another 300+g by switching brakes to trickstuff piccola with KCNC titanium rotors, (currently sram code R) In other words its achievable to have the 13.6kg with water, tools pump, spare tube, running tubeless with muckoff or stans, oon alu rims, tubeless repair kit with pedals on, lights on, co2 pump and a small handpump, but it requires a lot of DYI, but you will be able to get enduro spec on that weight and definitely upwards of an extra -1kg for a 125mm travel trail bike (fox 34 fork -500g, lighter tyres -300g, carbon rims -100g, lighter frame -400g)
So how much did you spend on upgrades to have a bike that's no lighter than the CF7 version that costs only a few hundred $ more than the AL6? (and comes with Sram already, and probably won't crack the rims)
Been through 2 slx derailleurs in the past year. Just ordered a deore replacement which will hopefully prove more robust and is easier in the wallet. Weight isn't a priority for me
They also probably have a max weight limit too. Running 2.4s on 26/27mm ID rims, terrible idea. Adding an extra 100grams for a rear insert would do this build some good.
the key to shaving off weight is usually tires. Continental and schwalbe tires are generally way lighter than the maxxis ones. Same goes for rockshox, way lighter than fox. Btw run a bit higher psi next time you wanna do rock garden shenanigangs
I just bought the Spectral 125 CF8 and it's 30lbs. There is a ZERO chance of me giving up the full XT set on this for....SRAM...that would be a massive step back IMHO. Could I save weight on carbon wheels? I guess so, but why? I'll stick with the DT Swiss and Dissectors....just too good of a combo and are simply made to match what the bike is used for. I think one thing many people overlook is having your frame, components, and wheels all in harmony with the intent of the bike. Although his bike is not the CF8, it still seems like he put things on it that don't really go with the type of bike it is.....just how I view things.
I've been riding a Canyon Spectral 29 CF9 since last Nov. The bike is unreal, and I must say Canyon's customer support is top notch. It's not surprising to me they refunded you $500.
@@GaedeRafael sprung weight. The mass that effects the suspension - rear triangle, rear wheel, cassette, derailleur. More more mass there is the more it effects the suspensions performance.
You can also try a sragura, using a guide ultimate as your lever. Just need to change the seals. I can sehr you the links to the mineral oil compatible seals If you want to.
TR32 is an XC rim, so not surprised it cracked in a rock garden. Maybe NOBL will let you upgrade to a beefier rim, the TR35 would probably be a good fit for that bike (that is their trail rim). The rim is also the downside of going weight weenie, light stuff breaks easier. the Spectral 125 may be a short travel, but it's a short travel based on a rather burly AM bike, so it's not a light frame even for alloy.
If you really want to save weight you can start with a fox 34 as you are on a light bike without bikeparks all the day. The installed brakes also dont help with weight. For more gramms lost I would also change the seat. Tires look also heavy duty. Sure there is someting with a lighter casing. Shorten your hose more as they are almost long enough for barspins. If you are at it shorten the for steerer so u can save the spacers on the top and additional grams.
Wow you hacked into that new Spectral quickly, especially after commenting about how it didn't need upgrades. 😀Think I'm going to keep mine stock for a while after it arrives, maybe change the grips and saddle if needed. Canyon claims the AL frame is 500 g heavier than the CF, so if the top-end bike is 30 lb, then you're doing pretty well to get the AL version down to 31. Your riding honestly looked awesome on the stock bike, so maybe the extra mass isn't a hindrance.
LOL, Last video... "No need to upgrade at all". This video... Let's change the rims, brakes, rotors, dropper, derailleur, bottom bracket, cranks, cassette, handlebars, and stem. I get it though, hope it reaches dream bike status.
I know that rockshox ultimate (lyrik front and a super deluxe rear) will be lighter but also have a look at ext or formula forks, the 36 is reasonably heavy. Only if you did want to make it lighter
i put the dt swiss fr560 in the rear. heavy but it's the only rim i trust. i have seen every single other wheel brand fail miserably. it's a good feeling to know you'll give in before the rim does😂
You should have just gotten a canyon Neuron … you’re basically stripping it down from its “enduro roots”, I’m not sure it’s geometry is doing you any favors, and the neuron has the same amount of travel, the aluminum frame version is super affordable, and stock is much lighter at 30lbs, no mods needed.
Your riding has greatly improved it really surprised me. Sucks with the rim, I guess this is one of those moments in which one questions if Cushcore would have helped.
I love chasing a lighter and more playfull bike but it pains me when you take off these suuuper good parts😭 I have a polygon xtrada 7 and its pretty much perfect but now i guess you can always get better😅 love your stuff btw I’ve been here since the Schwinn Axum, your actually the reason that i got that bike! (Even tho i broke the fork on some sick jumps in like a month)
If your forks are fox rythm forks they seem to be a bit heavier then the factory’s or performance elites plus factory’s would look better with the gold stantions 😁
So, you basically bought a frame, shock and fork for 3500? I will be receiving my new neuron 7 tomorrow! Alu frame… carbon will get damaged too quickly I am afraid
SLX M7100 has thinner lever blade than before. I've seen a pic from a guy that has both he took a side by side shot. They made the levers weaker and now it's a common issue. Silly move. They should have left the levers alone they worked well in the past.
Nice video. Perhaps a little more air in your rear tire would’ve prevented that rim ding. I often see people running low tire pressures with full suspension.
Joke is on you, my ultra affordable 2019 Giant trance 2 @ 27.5 aluminum bike came from the store at 31.4lbs. I’m seeing so many equiv and pricey bikes at 34lbs +
Hey Man, I genuinely think that you should try out the Halo Vortex wheels. They have the best sound attributes, Are very clicky, And it also has amazing performance benefits. I highly recommend you give them a go because after you try them I guarantee you will keep them as your permanent wheels.
Can save ~100g with going to a saddle with carbon rails like Selle Italian XLR carbonio. Bit surprised you smashed the rim there, riding didn't look too aggressive.
I know right! I switched to a Fizik just yesterday, even heavier, but I'm already gonna return it. Gonna try an Ergon with ti rails next. Just trying to find the right seat width for me. I love those lightweight seats though.
I'm about to pull my 2015 xx1 11spd cassette of my giant and put it onto my 2022 element C50. Figure with a 26/28 oval chainring ill keep the granny gear with the 26/42 combo. Losing the dinner dish monster 12 spd cassette and xt derailleur will save a pound where it counts the most -rear wheel. I lose top end speed but I don't think I've ever even come close to top gear on the single track I ride. Call me crazy but eagle is not an upgrade. I see it as an anchor wrapped tightly around my back wheel.
I'm 120lbs or just under 55kg's and I ride a budget full suspension that's upgraded and weighs 35lbs or 15kg and I can still jump and send it hard but it does hold me back a little. More important, hope you can get the rim replaced and maybe with lighter ones if it's possible 🤙
He needs to go up to the TR35 or 37, the TR32s were already too light for the riding he does. He went too weight weenie on the build and cracked a rim because XC race rims don't like going full send through rock gardens.
@@mrvwbug4423 yeah for any hard riding I would stick to something a little stronger even if it makes the bike heavier. My rims are 25mm in width which are terrible for low pressure, I have to run thicker tires to prevent rim strikes. I mean why am I complaining, I'm still using the same double wall rims that came on my 200$ bike. Somehow they have held true for about half a year. I just hope I get a much lighter bike one day but hope to not become a weight weenie 😅
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I hope all the parts are give away
it would be interesting watching how it's possible lightening the bicycle with at least the same effectiveness. putting smaller brake discs is a scam.
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Idk if it's the trails, the move, or just experience, but Evan your riding has drastically improved! This is one of your best videos yet. The tech and upgrade aspect blended with some good riding is great! Thank you for uploading
right!! that rock jump to berm was seriously impressive, and totally butter
Is it just me or did he go from an average rider to a really good rider in like 2 weeks?
Yeah man, I was blown away by the progress and asked myself what I missed.
Im thinking the bentonville trails showcase his abilities better
It’s because he’s been spending so much on his bike, remember kids the only way to get better at riding is spending more on your bike
He's got great fundamentals from being a BMX rider
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I know the bike is "heavier" but you hands down look 100 times better on this bike than you did the yeti. Keep us posted on how NOBL customer service goes on the wheels! I agree with a few of the other comments about maybe more tire pressure or even though heavier a tougher casing? Rad on Canyon to give you the difference back! Says a lot about their customer service for sure! That bike now for under $3000 is almost like a pre-covid deal!!!!
there is also the option of an insert, I smashed a set of enduro rims and swapped them for some trail rims during the pandemic and with an insert I've had 0 issues, massively helps with tire stability, lower pressures and rim protection.
Considering the suspension alone retails for $1,500 I'd definitely agree!
@@kuma_score7536 Hi new to suspension bikes, got this bike literally 3 days ago. What inserts are you talking about, if I may ask?
@@martinhaba5445 foam inserts for the tires, they do a few different jobs but the main ones are protecting the rim allowing you to run lower pressure and the second ome is supporting the tire side to side helping negate tire roll.
@@kuma_score7536 Thanks for reply! Appreciated
Wow, Canyon refunding that difference is amazing 🤯
Canyon have upped their CS alot, But it came at the expense of QC of their products.
"Swapping out a XD driver hub is too expensive".... Holdup let me swap to a whole X01 drivetrain instead... 😂
@@doepicchet he already had all of these parts
@@MrSupermugen a lot. Two words.
@@chrisgould7606 and?
“Lets rip off this drivetrain”
Actually rips it off
actually 85% of the weight saving was the carbon crankarm. At least he spent twice as much as an SLX drivetrain costs :)) (fun fact: an XTR crankset is only 30g heavier than this carbon one)
@@snaXaminator it's heavier than 30g cause you have to account for the chainring ... Plus it's alloy and more expensive, so why would he get one?
@@topspot4834 you're right. If something is more sensible to mechanical damages, worths more xD
Just the frame is 1,5kg difference :) btw slx is great, shifting under load is better like with cable sram gx or x01. Im going to rid of my GX drivetrain, which is garbage and put slx instead. Also brakes are great. Using 2 pistons slx on my xc bike. SLX drivetrain is 30-40% cheaper like GX and weights just 100g more. slx is by far the best value for money.
I'd say deore is the best for the money but yeah slx is better than sram gx
On my new build im going to aim for all slx and an xt shifter. But im not sure whether to get slx or deore cranks
@@theuglydumpling4772 Get the slx cranks it is much lighter than deore and xt based on paper
@@theuglydumpling4772 yeah, slx cranks is same weight like XT just 10g difference. deore is so heavy. Best combo is slx cassette , cranks and xt shifter and deraileur.
Thanks for trash talking my perfectly fine working gx group
keep up the hard work man! love watching you on your journey. Inspiring that you moved your whole life to follow your dreams!
Thanks Rich! I appreciate that, it was a lot of work and uncertainty
Get over the weight thing and get Cushcore - at least for the rear.
I found it not only protects the rim, but stiffens the sidewall at lower pressures. So my cornering speed increased.
Not needed for Bentonville, just run a decent trail rim and slightly higher pressures. you generally want faster rolling tires due to the lack of downhill. Lower pressures are just gonna squirm on the berms there (remember Bville is like 90% flow trails)
Nice riding!! Nice to see you able to ride different terrain then the desert for sure. Maybe more psi would have saved the rim lol
The only upgrade was the rims! 🤣😂🤣 and you wrekked em!
I would surely accept some more weight in the wheels in trade for not having them break like a plastic toy. That g-out after the rock garden should not have been enough to flat a tire much less break a rim. I hope they have a better model than those.
look to me it was under inflated
The TR32 is a light XC rim and I don't know if I would even use it for gravel. The TR37s are for enduro or AM and I can say that mine have held up better than any alloy rim that they replaced. In NOBL's lineup, that would probably be the best tool for the job.
I think you should run an insert in the rear, it's much worth the weight penalty, and it would have saved your carbon rim there
I highly doubt that a CushCore would've saved the rim in this case. I busted 3 rims myself, carelessly just letting the bike plow through rock gardens. Need a combination of heavier duty casing, tougher rim, more tire pressure, and tire insert, IMO.
@@BryanKeller724 CushCore, with semi-low pressure (21-23psi), and EXO casing tires = cause of multiple busted rims for me. CushCore, SG plus sized tire with relatively high pressure (20 psi for plus is quite firm) = cause of busted rim (plus tires are notoriously bad for bottoming when plowing over chunky rocks). SG tire with no insert, and 27-29 psi, so far so good. Not even rim strikes. Felt like I lost something, but I forgot what that something is. Tried riding an old bike, and it felt flimsy and was stopping to see if the tire pressure was low due to squirm. Don't miss the low pressure, and feel more emboldened to venture further from civilization with this level of reliability.
Nah it wouldn't have saved that rim, he took an ultralight XC rim through a rock garden at full send, results were predictable. He should see if NOBL will let him upgrade to the TR35 for his warranty replacement.
@@Varaxis After killing 2 Ibis S35s in a year I just went all in and built a set of DT Swiss FR560s, on EXO+ tires at about the same pressures you run, zero issues even through high speed rock gardens at full send.
The tires need more pressure. You could see in slow motion that the tire was completely indented when it hit the ground, which also killed the rim.
You just need to run a stronger sidewall. It looks like that Dissector is an EXO. No one should be running less than an EXO+ in rocky or rough terrain.
Thanks for doing an aluminum build.
I’m a big fan of aluminum frames for prices and I’m my opinion they are strong
Stronger than the wheels! I like the alloy build too, not worried about scratches or dings
Steel has an even higher endurance limit, just a shame it’s so under appreciated
@@GianPadrutt Cause it's even heavier than alloy. Imagine if the Spectral 125 was made of chromoly it would weigh close to 37 lbs.
@@exoticsoflt what about titanium it‘s meant to be stronger and lighter than steel
@@Brandonmtbni The problem with titanium is that it costs as much as some high grade carbon bikes and in some cases even more.
why get rid of logo maxxis?
I guess he was too heavy
The only finishing touch I don’t like is blacking out the tyres. New decals look great.
All great info. Thanks for sharing. Seems obvious that the wheel set, and less rotating mass, makes the greatest difference. Even more that just the static weight savings.
My upgraded XC bike is 36 pounds 💀💀💀 and I only got 50mm travel in front and 2 inches in rear.
Coming from an older FS 26er it was surprising to me how heavy a modern long-low-slack bike is with larger wheels, dropper, and beefier suspension; which led me down the weight saving path as well. One easily overlooked item is the fork through axle. Fox weighs 115 gm, OneUp weighs 61gm, and It's also one of the cheapest items per gram of weight savings you can get!
Part of the weight increase is a trend towards installing more durable components and accepting the increased weight. Weight weenieing anything outside of an XC race bike is usually a lot of money and a lot of broken parts
Rather shocked at the carbon rim breakage. surely they should cope with more than that.
Those are Nobl TR32 wheels which are their cross country only wheelset
Yes, seems those rims are a bit too light for the job at hand.
Yeah… like others have said those are XC race rims. Not the rims for that kind of riding. Different story if he threw some inserts and good tire pressure in there. Was the rear shock unlocked? Lol
I have no interest in carbon rims for a mountain bike. Makes the ride less comfortable and anyone who claims carbon is more reliable than aluminum is just wrong.
for an enduro bike that is pretty ok starting weight, you going from trail/XC to enduro is a whole new experience, weight doesn’t affect how well you can master a trick it is the process of repeating the trick, but upgrades are upgrades
The Spectral 125 is a trail bike, based off of a mid-travel all mountain frame.
Those wheels should not have failed on that rock garden. Maybe try Cush core in the rear? Makes the ride feel much better unless you prefer weight savings over performance
As someone who prefers aluminum over carbon frames, It's nice to see aluminum full sus bikes getting the "weight weenie" treatment. Keep it up! :D
Great video, Evan! Getting better and better. Those Bentonville trails look way more fun!
Wow those rims cracked on what looked like nothing. They would die out here in the Phoenix rock gardens.
No cushcore
I had been riding them in Phoenix. So I have no clue
4:48 painting the maxxis logo is a CRIME
Love this video. Btw, that Rhythm fork is pretty heavy.. you'd definitely shave some weight with a Factory 36 or Pike.
That's a LOT of money to lose 150g at most
Evan! You’re killing it, hope they sent you a new wheel so you can send it again though a rock garden!
The price drop made me sad. I had saved up a lot to get this bike as it was one I've had my eye on since the European release. I got an email from Canyon about the 125 price drop 3 months after my purchase but they denied me stating they only do 30 day price match. I really didn't expect the price to drop so soon and I would have waited the extra 3 months if I knew! Then I could have made these awesome upgrades too! I guess I should foresight next time since Canyon usually release models early to UK and US at a delay... lesson learned 😥
I got mine on discount, barely at the red line of calendar.. And as there was issue with shipping/card.. price went up when i wanted to buy again.. And they honored 1st lower price. I didint know in case you buy lets say 5000$ bike and it goes to 4500$ within 30 days of your purchase they will refund you with 500$. Do they give credit to buy their stuff or actuall refund to the bank account. Do you know ?
Hi, I am under your weight goal on my Mondraker Foxy carbon 2019. Some of the things which helped:
Non plus components hubs - multi engagement rathet, ebike ready but significantly lighter than industry 9 (86g front 169g rear)
Berd spokes. I built the wheels myself, though its not for the faint hearted but Berd can build your weels for you. the spokes would come down to 80g total and are lighter than water
Enduro speced wheelset weights 1460g with ALU rims (to avoid the rockgarden experience you ve had)
fox transfer SL post at 340g
kcnc cassette at 320g, compatible with Eagle and has a more even stepping with a 9-52 range. Reminds me of the protottype AXS cassette
Selle italia corbonio SLR, if you choose the correct shape the meager padding is actually sufficient (130g)
I also got myself a 4iiii powermeter, but stuck to the xx1 crankset with absoluteblack oval chainring (420g)
xx1 derailleur with Hopp carbon parts 200g and kcnc pulleys (this is way overboard and makes the derailleur more fragile plus is not a great value for money BTW)
you could also save a lot by running lighter tyres, DHR/DHF combo with EXO skin save you some 200g compared to what your bike is wearing. You could save an additional 100g if you go DHr front and back and have only a 2.4 width on both, but you are compromising on rolling resistance and somewhat on downhill speed
XTR SPD pedals with a titanium axle 260g, the axle is only 50 euros extra plus getting your hands dirty
tubolito spare tube on the bike, 48g (people do carry spares, so this does count in.
wolftooth toolset, chainbreaker and tubeles repair stowed away in the handlebars, 133g altogether
Giant CO2 pump stowed away in the fork tube 133g
On the road weight with a bottle of water (the 900ml fidlock) is 14.5kg, this is on a bike with 160mm front fox 36 and 150mm dxp2 back travel
If I switched to a more recent frame, an extra 600g would be saved by that switch
I could save another 300+g by switching brakes to trickstuff piccola with KCNC titanium rotors, (currently sram code R)
In other words its achievable to have the 13.6kg with water, tools pump, spare tube, running tubeless with muckoff or stans, oon alu rims, tubeless repair kit with pedals on, lights on, co2 pump and a small handpump, but it requires a lot of DYI, but you will be able to get enduro spec on that weight and definitely upwards of an extra -1kg for a 125mm travel trail bike (fox 34 fork -500g, lighter tyres -300g, carbon rims -100g, lighter frame -400g)
So how much did you spend on upgrades to have a bike that's no lighter than the CF7 version that costs only a few hundred $ more than the AL6? (and comes with Sram already, and probably won't crack the rims)
My ol Giant Faith is 39lbs and I love it all the same. Down with Fat Shaming MTB's
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My latest bike came with deore and for 2000 mi it's been flawless, reliability never goes out of style !
If I could only choose 1 drivetrain to use for the rest of my life, it'd actually be Shimano Deore. Extremely reliable, but heavy!
Been through 2 slx derailleurs in the past year. Just ordered a deore replacement which will hopefully prove more robust and is easier in the wallet. Weight isn't a priority for me
Might be worth going to tr35s, or even 37s. Those wheels are definitely not designed for rock garden smashing at speed. Nice video!
They also probably have a max weight limit too. Running 2.4s on 26/27mm ID rims, terrible idea. Adding an extra 100grams for a rear insert would do this build some good.
the key to shaving off weight is usually tires. Continental and schwalbe tires are generally way lighter than the maxxis ones. Same goes for rockshox, way lighter than fox. Btw run a bit higher psi next time you wanna do rock garden shenanigangs
31lb for full suspenion aluminum is crazy small but you basically you got a completely different bike by replacing wheels, brakes and drivetrain
I just bought the Spectral 125 CF8 and it's 30lbs. There is a ZERO chance of me giving up the full XT set on this for....SRAM...that would be a massive step back IMHO. Could I save weight on carbon wheels? I guess so, but why? I'll stick with the DT Swiss and Dissectors....just too good of a combo and are simply made to match what the bike is used for. I think one thing many people overlook is having your frame, components, and wheels all in harmony with the intent of the bike. Although his bike is not the CF8, it still seems like he put things on it that don't really go with the type of bike it is.....just how I view things.
Surprised it took this long to break a carbon wheel. I switched back to aluminum after 3 broken wheels.
can't believe that bombed the rim, didn't look that hard.
I know right! Maybe it was compromised before?
Weight isn't everything. Carbon's strong but it's so easy to snap when hitting rough trails.
In all my years of riding I have never seen anyone progress that fast on a mountain bike, good job
I've been riding a Canyon Spectral 29 CF9 since last Nov. The bike is unreal, and I must say Canyon's customer support is top notch. It's not surprising to me they refunded you $500.
So just to clarify, he bought an item for retail price. The item then went on sale, and he got money back that he was not owed
The weight doesn’t really matter. What matters is where you too it from.
Rotational weight, and spring weight will make a huge difference.
What is spring weight?
@@GaedeRafael sprung weight.
The mass that effects the suspension - rear triangle, rear wheel, cassette, derailleur. More more mass there is the more it effects the suspensions performance.
@@MikeOnaBike you mean, affect in a bad way? I still couldn't understand this concept. I'll search for it! Thanks
You can also try a sragura, using a guide ultimate as your lever. Just need to change the seals. I can sehr you the links to the mineral oil compatible seals If you want to.
TR32 is an XC rim, so not surprised it cracked in a rock garden. Maybe NOBL will let you upgrade to a beefier rim, the TR35 would probably be a good fit for that bike (that is their trail rim). The rim is also the downside of going weight weenie, light stuff breaks easier. the Spectral 125 may be a short travel, but it's a short travel based on a rather burly AM bike, so it's not a light frame even for alloy.
Oh I just posted a video update about the rebuild, it's my most recent video and the rebuild turned out insane
If you really want to save weight you can start with a fox 34 as you are on a light bike without bikeparks all the day. The installed brakes also dont help with weight.
For more gramms lost I would also change the seat. Tires look also heavy duty. Sure there is someting with a lighter casing.
Shorten your hose more as they are almost long enough for barspins. If you are at it shorten the for steerer so u can save the spacers on the top and additional grams.
I know that you are trying to save weight but I think peace of mind and knowing that you can bash your nice rims is amazing. CUSH CORE FTW.
Wow you hacked into that new Spectral quickly, especially after commenting about how it didn't need upgrades. 😀Think I'm going to keep mine stock for a while after it arrives, maybe change the grips and saddle if needed. Canyon claims the AL frame is 500 g heavier than the CF, so if the top-end bike is 30 lb, then you're doing pretty well to get the AL version down to 31. Your riding honestly looked awesome on the stock bike, so maybe the extra mass isn't a hindrance.
Shigura brakes are amazing. I am very impressed with how much of a difference in power and and actual effort needed to get the power.
The 180mm rotor was unnecessary, Its an enduro bike so you want bigger rotors
LOL, Last video... "No need to upgrade at all". This video... Let's change the rims, brakes, rotors, dropper, derailleur, bottom bracket, cranks, cassette, handlebars, and stem. I get it though, hope it reaches dream bike status.
I know that rockshox ultimate (lyrik front and a super deluxe rear) will be lighter but also have a look at ext or formula forks, the 36 is reasonably heavy. Only if you did want to make it lighter
Plot twist. Canyon offering a full carbon spectral with all the SRAM parts that was swopped on at a steep discount.
i put the dt swiss fr560 in the rear. heavy but it's the only rim i trust. i have seen every single other wheel brand fail miserably. it's a good feeling to know you'll give in before the rim does😂
FR 560 description on the website-
30 mm welded rim, developed for the big gaps, nasty root mats and mean rockgardens.
Wow what a description!
@@EvansMTBSaga well after a season of enduro racing, park riding, and hitting some of the biggest jumps in my country i can confirm it haha
You should have just gotten a canyon Neuron … you’re basically stripping it down from its “enduro roots”, I’m not sure it’s geometry is doing you any favors, and the neuron has the same amount of travel, the aluminum frame version is super affordable, and stock is much lighter at 30lbs, no mods needed.
Dude, when did your riding technique go through the roof? Did I miss something? Nice man.
It's his full time job now 😅
Since you need a new rim, time for some Berd Spokes!
Minions over the Dissectors to save weight and add a cush core on the rear - Build Complete. Awesome riding.
How much lighter would your wallet be buying these parts😄😄
Dude, it wasn´t even a really gnarly rockgarden for broke that wheel. Alloy wheels and tubes xever.🤘🤘🤘
I know right! I went frame by frame on the video and didn't see a rim strike either
You can probably save weight by getting carbon cranks if you don't have them already.
I have a 36 pound bike and it still wips and flicks well
2:57 goofy ahh canyon stem 💀💀
weight means little when whipping a bike honestly, a bit of weight can make a bike descend better too
Bruh he spent a few grand to make the bike lighter to throw better whips, ngl I don’t think that’s how it works
May I have those parts you do not want😀🇮🇸 You should use grip-shifters !
Your riding has greatly improved it really surprised me. Sucks with the rim, I guess this is one of those moments in which one questions if Cushcore would have helped.
The riding spots are so much better than your area in AZ was. Bummer about that rim tho dude.
I love chasing a lighter and more playfull bike but it pains me when you take off these suuuper good parts😭
I have a polygon xtrada 7 and its pretty much perfect but now i guess you can always get better😅 love your stuff btw I’ve been here since the Schwinn Axum, your actually the reason that i got that bike! (Even tho i broke the fork on some sick jumps in like a month)
I got the Xtrada 7 and ended up changing: fork (Fox 34), brakes and rotors (XT), wheels (DT swiss XR391), Tyres (Contis), seatpost (PNW dropper), seat (Giant Romero SL), Stem (race face), Handlebar (race face carbon), grips (odi rogue), headset (cane creek 40). But everything else is stock! haha
@@frotto thats cool but im on a budget and im happy with reliable parts
@@Zach_May it's a great bike. I really like the geometry. Comfy capable but still very efficient.
If your forks are fox rythm forks they seem to be a bit heavier then the factory’s or performance elites plus factory’s would look better with the gold stantions 😁
He'd take off even more weight by going with a 34 or a Pike, but that's a lot of money for a fairly modest weight reduction
For the NOBL rims, get some burlier ones. The 32s are for light trail and downcountry really. Get some 41s or 38s or something.
They just came out with TR35 with 30mm ID, so I'm having them send me that one instead. I hope it's stronger, but I guess we'll find out!!
So, you basically bought a frame, shock and fork for 3500?
I will be receiving my new neuron 7 tomorrow!
Alu frame… carbon will get damaged too quickly I am afraid
SLX M7100 has thinner lever blade than before. I've seen a pic from a guy that has both he took a side by side shot. They made the levers weaker and now it's a common issue. Silly move. They should have left the levers alone they worked well in the past.
My Nomad weighing 17.1 kg over here and the canyon being heavy🤣
And here I am happy that my Hardtail Fatbike is only around 16 Kg and not even thinking about saving any weight on the bike.
My ex gf said her Kona was heavy. I left her in New Mexico now the Kona is lighter.
IDK WHY I KEEEP SEEING COLER! I think god is calling me today. (He showed the hub during the fishing ad)
Ok you HAVE to tell me the next time you visit coler! I would love to meet you.
Alright! Shoot me a message on Instagram @SagaMTB
Nice video. Perhaps a little more air in your rear tire would’ve prevented that rim ding. I often see people running low tire pressures with full suspension.
Evan’s enduro saga 😁
More Enduro stuff coming soon!
Another solid video although I felt for you doing all that work to your bike then wrecking a rim. Thanks for the great content man.
Hello there, I really like your videos bit please use kilos too for us in Europe 🙏
Man that's actually not bad at all for an aluminum frame bike these days. Gave me some ideas 💡
The aggression in the move of removing the inner tube 🤣
Instead of you smashing the rock 🪨 garden, the rock garden smashed you 😜🤪🥺🥺🤕🤕🫣🫣😵😵
Joke is on you, my ultra affordable 2019 Giant trance 2 @ 27.5 aluminum bike came from the store at 31.4lbs. I’m seeing so many equiv and pricey bikes at 34lbs +
3 TI bolts on each rotor would help 😉
The Spectral looks great! No way a rim should have cracked on that little of a rock garden.
Agreed! It was strange
Hey Man, I genuinely think that you should try out the Halo Vortex wheels. They have the best sound attributes, Are very clicky, And it also has amazing performance benefits. I highly recommend you give them a go because after you try them I guarantee you will keep them as your permanent wheels.
This dude was doing some good jumps, just to have the rear wheel break. What a bummer.
Can save ~100g with going to a saddle with carbon rails like Selle Italian XLR carbonio.
Bit surprised you smashed the rim there, riding didn't look too aggressive.
I know right! I switched to a Fizik just yesterday, even heavier, but I'm already gonna return it. Gonna try an Ergon with ti rails next. Just trying to find the right seat width for me. I love those lightweight seats though.
A 3 pound weight savings is nothing to sneeze at, especially for an alloy frame. That bike is looking sick man!
Great video 🤠
Lol I was pumped to get my bike down from 39lbs to 35lbs
you need higher pressures if you hit the rims, also Cush Core will help on hits like this, but not if it's a 1M drop into a rock or something.
Full send mode engaged. Awesome video. Sick riding 🤙.
Carbon wheels, an insert is a must :)
I'm about to pull my 2015 xx1 11spd cassette of my giant and put it onto my 2022 element C50. Figure with a 26/28 oval chainring ill keep the granny gear with the 26/42 combo. Losing the dinner dish monster 12 spd cassette and xt derailleur will save a pound where it counts the most -rear wheel. I lose top end speed but I don't think I've ever even come close to top gear on the single track I ride. Call me crazy but eagle is not an upgrade. I see it as an anchor wrapped tightly around my back wheel.
Really cool video. Keep up the great work !
I have a commencal meta sx limited edition 2016, 160 travel and still whips pretty good, it's all about the technique Evan!
I want to do an older build like that. Not talking retro, but 2013-2016 sounds awesome
@@EvansMTBSaga you should defo try to build an older enduro bike on a budget!
I'm 120lbs or just under 55kg's and I ride a budget full suspension that's upgraded and weighs 35lbs or 15kg and I can still jump and send it hard but it does hold me back a little. More important, hope you can get the rim replaced and maybe with lighter ones if it's possible 🤙
He needs to go up to the TR35 or 37, the TR32s were already too light for the riding he does. He went too weight weenie on the build and cracked a rim because XC race rims don't like going full send through rock gardens.
@@mrvwbug4423 yeah for any hard riding I would stick to something a little stronger even if it makes the bike heavier. My rims are 25mm in width which are terrible for low pressure, I have to run thicker tires to prevent rim strikes. I mean why am I complaining, I'm still using the same double wall rims that came on my 200$ bike. Somehow they have held true for about half a year. I just hope I get a much lighter bike one day but hope to not become a weight weenie 😅