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Are You Even Ready For How This Sounds? | DOUBLE TALK BOX FEEDBACK ORGAN
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2023
- Introducing the double talk box! As of now the ultimate way to perform with the newly (last video) invented feedback organ Which will open so many experimental doors I don't even know where to start! Do you?
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This is the kind of content I'd much rather watch than someone just showing the features of a new synth...
it depends what youre in the market for
I feel like if you'll keep exploring that route you'll end up creating some kind of very unique electronic/acoustic instrument. Potentially as a product. Like a modified melodica with built-in feedbacking talk box and some stuff you come up with next.
I’m on it 😁😁😁😁😁
Yesssss Dudue @SimonTheMagpie
I would get a feedback organ in three seconds.
I need one
The name of this album is 'Frampton becomes lost'
First in a series: Frampton looses his shit, Frampton gobbles the moon, Frampton dies in a bog, Frampton’s apparition appears to stoned teens, Frampton enters the mythological realm…
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Frampton Comes Undone?
When electronic music starts to use plumbing fixings... you know something interesting's gonna happen.
I did a thing a little like this once with a flute and loads and loads of digital effects... you get much better results here with such minimal equipment, it's fabulous.
it feels almost like a synthy whalesong. I absolutely love it
Eerie and gorgeously haunting. Soundtracks to an epic movie. I was NOT ready. But now the world waits….
Sounds like an overtone flute, but without some of the limitations that normally comes with one
It's like a feedback didgeridoo mixed with an indigenous flute of some sort. . . I love it!
Or maybe a pedal with a little tube that hooks up to an existing talkbox that expands it into this territory. A “TalkBox Disruptor” if you will.
Thats a cool idea actually!
What might be interesting is creating a membrane instrument.
Essentially you take a tube and stretch a piece of thin plastic, such as a sandwich bag or balloon, over one end and secure it there.
Usually you'd add a hole to blow into it but I think you could just as easily drill a hole that lets you use the talkbox hose.
Proof of concept can just be as simple as what I mentioned but if you wanted to go further you could slide a slightly larger tube around the first one to make it tunable and also potentially allow for a trombone-like playing action.
Materials wise PVC pipe that's used for plumbing is perfect: cheap, easy to cut, and all the bits you could need for connecting parts together are already available in the right sizes for cheap.
Also potentially worth looking into those things that allow you to turn any object attached to them into a resonator. They make pretty rubbish speakers, but you could definitely open up some interesting opportunities by attaching them to bottles and either using that in place of the hose and doing the overtones with your mouth again (my guess is: bigger bottle, more bass), or placing liquid in the bottom and gently swishing it around to manipulate the feedback. You could also place your hand over the neck of the bottle to emulate filter sweeps.
Fantastic! I’m print screening and saving this to try stuff thank you 😁
I just went to an event where 10k people played the kazoo so I support the membrane buzz
The thing that makes other shit a resonator is a transducer I think also. The RUclipsr channel tech ingredients actually made a sick speaker with some and wood. Also a synth maker called the human comparator has an instrument that hainbach showed once. He makes a few feedback based things also.
I am not a musician. But this is a good example of why I am subscribed to this channel.😃😃
This can be seriously well used as sound effects / ambiance for movies.
The videos on the feedback loop thing have become a feedback loop themselves
Yeah next video will finally be Casio DM-100! I just had to get this idea out there cause it’s so epic 😄
@@SimonTheMagpie That was no criticism. it's amazing to watch that thing evolve!
Oh my word, this just keeps getting better.. this one, not so much horror, but much more personally strong. started like a Edo period spaghetti western and just solidly ended for me as the background music to River Tam from Firefly being an absolute unit clearing out Reavers (Future Sino-Western).
Sensible non-flouncy words time. If you have a 3D Printer, you could try making up different 2 way/3 way connectors for the tubing, you could even make up some thumb controlled gates that open and close really basic gate valves in specific pipes. Different sized and shaped pipe-ends to cover the speaker on the pipe organ? ye gods, genuinely endless...
Oh and if you don't have a 3D printer? you probably want to get a 3D printer... Also really good for custom cases for pedals.
If you could produce a device that combines this exact set up you have here, I would be VERY interested in buying one!!
I’ll work on it! Wont be a proper keyboard but same principle at least!
DUDE. Spot on Loon call at 3:50. I don't think I ever realized most birds are doing overtone series.
Is the pitch bend effect (when feeding back and blowing into Suzuki simutaneously) like harmonica bending? Fixed reed, being bent by controlled air pressure? It sounds so good.
Crazy awesome experimental musical loon makes Loon calls, makes sense.
I also own an andes and i find the pitch is very dependent on the air pressure you blow into it. its very easy to go out of tune if you dont keep it in mind
Yeah! Which is sort of a cool effect in this case 😄
I am already ready to preorder your talk box. I am so curious as to what you can come up with that can make these kinds of sounds.
I’m on it! 😁
Has "indigenous flute player goes metal" vibes.. Now that you've got the garden hose out (no pun intended) mic up both ends and make a "garden hose reverb".
So crazy! This combo has really turned out to be a freaking BEAST!! 😎🐀
I always watch your videos to see the absolute creativity nonsense that you create.this has to be the most insanely mad genius insturment you have created to date.the sonic possibilities of this insturment are absolutely endless.i couldn't even begin to think the sounds thru some different effects.take a BOW this time I think you have truly out done yourself.THIS IS AMAZING......BRAVO.this is why your channel is amazing.
Thank you 😁😁
6:15 Total Diamanda Galas vibes.
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Next step is to add a formant shifter, because then you'd have basically two dueling mouths!
That's what she said
This just keeps getting better. Can't wait what's next and where this all ends up.
These experiments are getting better, keep on pushing ;-)
I'm waiting for Clint Eastwood to show up.
Your coolest no-input idea so far man, love that sound.
Ow, and dude....make that Talk-Box! You can figure it out, I trust your mind.
Has this sound been used in movies before somehow? Love it, amazing stuff always from you.
Reminds me of the lead flutes from the mandalorian theme or Morricone style western soundtrack.
Some of the sounds are similar to a waterphone, that might be what you’re hearing!
Our cat definitely doesn't like it. But it is worth saying she's generally terrified by magpies😂
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Awesome sounds dude you are getting wild with this
Oh gosh, this is super cool! The jam in the end was amazing! Feedbacks + Portishead in a noisy dance!
I've experimented with it a little bit in ableton and found that sidechain compression is very useful if you're using some external sounds, maybe you can incorporate something like that in this setup to make voice more impactful on overall sound?
I can try for sure! I suck at sidechaining cause I never really do it in my own music. I’m so old school 😅
I mean… add some quiet and low chugging distorted guitar underneath and you’d have a pretty sick and hardcore horror soundtrack…
The screechy scratchy sort of sound makes you feel a bit uncomfortable, the hint of randomness and unpredictability makes you anxious and the ethereal and ghostly tones make you feel sort of surrounded. It’s PERFECT for horror.
Reminds me of Zimmer using razor blades on a guitar with a custom distortion for the Jokers theme in TDK…. He also made it into a Shepard tone which has the “illusion” of always rising but never reaching the top, or something always bending/stretching but never breaking… it builds extreme tension because you constantly expect something to snap or finish! (He also used the same effect for the sound of the Batpod motorcycle to make it sound electric and futuristic. Pretty cool that the same effect can sound anxiety inducing or super cool and interesting depending on the instrument used.)
I’d be super interested to see you try the Shepard tone with this monstrosity!
The editing is really fun on your videos.
At 9:16 you describe what I saw on your face during the "session": The kind of feedback loop happening between your brain and your Instrument. I am a professional cellist and it took me at least a decade to get to the point, where this neuro-accustical feedback loop was accessible all the time I want to tap in. And without having the precise words to do the experience justice describing it, I always felt sorry for anybody who is not capable of this experience. Your invention seems to open up the door to this kind of meditative state and the means of personal expression coming with it to anybody from the get-go. And seems to be no scam, like some simplistic, all too limited pentatonic instruments which can get really boring outside of meditative undertakings. There HAVE to be huge potentials and markets to this as an functional, musical instrument as well as a mental health or musical therapy device. PLEASE MAKE STH. OF THIS!!! (And file a patent, If you do not want to get ripped of, soon!!)
Hey wow That sounds like a truly magical state of expression indeed! I would be so intrigued to have you try this and see if it actually is the same experience then 😁
Working on a prototype of sorts but will have to be a lot more primitive since I have to be able to make it myself 😅
One thing I can see right off the bat as for things try is to add a valve or two in various places. This would give you the ability to control the air flow with a lever in stead of your mouth. Just a my first thought when you asked if we had any ideas for things to try. Good luck, this thing is wild, weird and wonderful! Can't see what you do with it next.
You could make an entire album of Whale sounds. 🤠
Wow! Vilket instrument!
I am so ready to design the monsters that make these noises in the middle of the woods at night...
I haven't been this inspired to go find random hoses and PVC since I first saw Moot Booxlé's "Ghetto Talkbox" tutorial back in ye olde RUclips days. 😍
I am HERE and ready for this!
In the 80's it seemed like everyone had pianos and made their kids take lessons. This should be the next thing like that.
Looks so fun! 🙂
I feel like this is begging for a Simon / Heinbach collab
Lovely! Thought at one moment there you were going to launch into a cover of Hendrix's "Star Spangled Banner"!
I cannot express what a fuckin vibe this whole video is holy shit
Look who's talking 2, it's the Magpie. Talk box round 2 😄🎹
The warble of angels. On this day, you have truly become The Magpie.
you should try adding a resonant peak filter in the feedback. could use a bandpass in parallel to then distort what it’s adding before adding it in
The one thing I wish you'd done is actually use the talkbox organ as a talkbox. Like not sing, but mouth some lyrics. I'd love to hear that.
So like, remove the mic from the mouth side? Or, rather, have the mic there be only for recording, and not be part of the feedback loop?
@@drdca8263 I mean, not necessarily, though that's one solution. I really meant that I wanted to hear him use lyrics in the recording. Like read a poem or something.
I couldn't imagine if I created this.i can see how your mind is beyond belief in knowing that you have an insturment that you can't even believe worked so amazingly well.i am surprised your brain doesn't explode because the sonic creations that this insturment can create are endless..AMAZING.
Next level, intubation reverberation!....just kidding....fantastic...well done Simon
Ypu keep this up and movie and videogame sound designers are gonna start hounding you to build them one.
I loved the sound. I wish I could make cool stuff like this. Very jealous. Great job!
Okay, so my dad and I built a crappy talk box when I was 13 or so, but later in life he sat down and built a real nice one.. wood enclosure, multiple in and outs, but he said the most important and difficult thing was finding a strong enough driver. And it really is a beast. I've never had the chance to compare it to your model, but out of the gate, this thing has so much power, there are times I wouldn't even need to mic my mouth, I feel my entire skull vibrate when I play it.
In terms of different ideas, I think what you would want is 2 (or more) drivers: one for the flute-melodica thing (maybe collab with LookMumNoComputer? He seems to have learned a ton about pipe organs recently..), and the other driver feeding into your mouth. With a fader for each channel, you could harmonize with yourself in some wild ways.
Also I'm sure you probably knew this already, but the notes coming out of your mouth were in tune with the harmonic series. I wonder if you can somehow use this to use the organ to "select" a key, by playing a note and thus changing the length of tube the air is going down, and using your mouth to hit all the frequencies in that harmonic series?? This series has got me real hyped about my talkbox again, and you've got my brain buzzing with ideas. I can't wait to see where you take it!
Yeah I’m experimenting a bit on breadboard now! Will post later. Thinking of a setup with multiple microphones so that I can work with still just one speaker. But one tube per mic and a pot per mic so you can decide how much each mic feebacks sorta. Thats a smart start for minimal parts setup I think 😅
Ur on the verge of " The Holy Moment "
A moment where you will create a sound the human ears have never contemplated.
Trombone 🎉 Trombone 🎉 Trombone
Continuously changing the pipelength with at least one, ideally two (hands or footpedals?)
Also speakers playing directly into chest from at least one channel as well as the tube to mouth or nostrils
Awesome!..experimetal,mystical bird tribe flute...soo great
So beautiful
Really enjoying this.
I love when mad science happens
What a mad genius you are. That would be perfect for film scores or trippy psychedelic music. Even Andean type pan pipe stuff
PVC pipe didgeridoo with the talk box tube connected somehow. Not sure if it will reverberate correctly if the end is blocked, but a 4foot tube should be plenty. Didgeridoo is fun, just make flappy fart noise with your lips and push vibrations down the tube.
The garden hose splitter is a stroke of genius, and I'm not being hyperbolic.
Since your hands are full already, maybe an expression pedal somewhere in the feedback chain? Even a volume pedal could add that extra bit of control.
Will end up with a crazy new sci fi version of that ”merry poppins” one man band setup 😄
if i understand what is going on correctly here i think if you add one or more additional splits that are closed at the ends it will create standing waves in the tubes and add additional overtones. and if its soft tubes any additional tubes could be just pinched off at different lengths to change the lengths of those standing waves and what pitches are generated by them.
Hmmm yeah smart!! I will try to experiment with that during prototyping for sure
@@SimonTheMagpie If you want someone who knows more about it, i learned this from watching Nicolas Bras here on the youtube. he makes all sorts of neat stuff
I need this instrument in my life
LOVE IT !!! Reminds me of a Slovakian Fujara flute.......on steroids.
4:10 ish sounds like the wind blowing over a pipe sticking up out of my parents' roof. Creepy sound to sleep to in storms.
6:23 : “but this is really bonkers/ponkers” at first I thought you might have said “poggers” here
I bet the neighbors &/or wife just loves that… 😅
It feels like an old Japanese monk plays flute alone in the wind at the top of the Fujiyama!!!
Damn, I wish that flute had some lower octaves too. Staying on the high notes pierces my ears.
Maybe instead of the Suzuki Andes, you could try with a chord/fan organ?
I did! Flutes seems to be the best so far. I can make a video just tring it with all the things I own. For data/science
@@SimonTheMagpie For science!
I wish they had this when they made "Once Upon A Time In The West"
The Harmonica Man would have been extra spooky
Kazoo on the end of one of the tubes might be interesting. Maybe something with compressed air and balloons, too?
like wax paper over one end with a rubber band around it?
Yeah totally worth trying!
I'll buy one!
My organ brings all the blue whales to the yard
I'm going to speculate it sounds awesome
this is how they make all the sound design for Survivor.
It makes me think of I must scream but I have no mouth, like it should be on a animated trailer even dough it's a book
I am all for wah wah wee wah conversation!
Love these series of videos you’ve been on!!!
neat!
That was fantastic.
sounds a little like a harmonica being tortured. i like it.
I need a full length album of this
I Like It 👍
Now we need to get simon to fuck around with contact mics lol
I’ve done a ton of piezo stuff way back! Any specific idea? Cause I’m always contact hyped 😄
@SimonTheMagpie I just want you to go full noise mode haha. All jokes aside, didn't you say something in one of these vids about the talk box tube vibrating your whole face or something? I've never used a talk box so im not sure, but i think a contact mic attached to the tube could be interesting. Have a normal mic too, and feed both back into the talk box and see what happens. I think the contact mic would pick up different aspects of the sound than the regular mic if indeed the tube resonates with the sound coming out of it. And having a piezo plus a regular mic means you can send the piezo through effects and choose how much of each signal to mix into the feedback. Or you could piezo the keyboard speakers, which might be cool too
This sounds absolutely like the flute thing from the mandalorian!
At one point, I was getting some Siren Head vibes. This has quiet the potential. I can't wait to see if what you do with it.
What about plugging the talkbox to a trombone mount piece input. This will exist the air column of the brass like the leaps would do...
Sounds like a Ry Cooder score 👍🏻❤️🔥🔥🔥
Dude! This is your most badass sound yet!!
It sounds like the soundtrack to a post-apocalyptic desert scene.
Or a stylophone ( was that what that earlier thing was called?) And the talkbox....
I’m really curious as to what might happen if you put one end of the tube in your mouth and then spun the other end around in circles like one of those spinny noise tubes
Smart! Will try 😁 at least for myself, hehe. Cause it sounds like a cool idea
I love this so much, I feel like this screams ancient Japanese haunted forest for some reason.
😂 seriously tho, great job!
I once made a feedback loop by plugging an old Casio piano from 1978 into a cheap amp with distortion and the results were… perplexing to say the least.
Thank you 😁😁 perplexing is where I want my comfort zone to be 😆
@@SimonTheMagpie i like that attitude lol.
Keep ‘em coming! You will make immortal sounds some day that will be sampled by millions
this dude just spent a day recreating dinosaur noises
ah yes the ol "double talk box with a friend" ;)
So, the flute organ creates a resonant chamber for the feedback from the talk box, and you can also add air pressure and play it traditionally at the same time, for an odd combination effect.
So, perhaps try different sized resonant chambers with the talk box? Maybe get some PVC pipe in different lengths a la Blue Man Group, or make a slider or flute with it? Would a very large diameter pipe make a very low feedback sound?
Also, wondering if adding a very low frequency oscillator to the talkbox signal would make an LFO effect, or if that would be filtered out by the high frequency driver in the talk box?
Also, what if something like a talkbox but with a very large speaker with a low frequency response was used? That might not work, as the signal probably wouldn't stay in the tube, and then you are just feeding back with the room.
Anyway, there is a lot of interesting stuff one could do here. I look forward to your future adventures with it!
Hey! Yeah saving this comment for experimenting. I wanna try larger dismeter stuff a bunch now when I start building my own 😁
@@SimonTheMagpie I feel like a PVC pipe "feedback organ" would probably be a pretty easily doable thing, if it works.
Either mechanically like the flute organ (maybe salvage an old air reed organ to base this on), or use a fast electric solenoid valve to open and close the pipes to the speaker.
It would be interesting to see what is actually inside the flute organ, too.
SO GOOOOOOOOOD!!!