Glad to see “Canadian foreign policy institute” held discussion here, however does Canada even have a foreign policy? Doesn’t Trudeau just receive phone calls from the US and say “yes sir!” to make it “policy”?
Yes, this is super funny. The US imposes the 100% tariffs because it needs to protect the big three, but Canada does not have its own automobile industries, so this action essentially protects Ford, GM, even Toyota at the cost of Canadians.
A 50% or 110% tarrif would at least show that the Canadian government tried to stave off the accusition of Canada being America's bitch. But they are not even trying to pretend.
Canada doesn't have a foreign policy. USA's foreign policy is Canadian's foreign policy. New York Post " US officials pressured Canada to stop ‘Freedom Convoy,’ new testimony reveals "
Unlike the US, Canada doesn't even have any domestic car companies to protect. Canada's "car industry" consists of manufacturing a few models for foreign companies, but they could've struck similar deals with Chinese companies. This will GROW our "car industry". Canada only produce a handful of foreign cars domestically. Most cars we buy are already imported. *Most cars we make are exported* . Cheap Chinese EVs won't hurt domestic vehicle production cause most of what we produce goes to the US and they won't have cheap Chinese EVs to compete with so they'll keep taking the cars we produce.
Tariffs are meant to make it less economical for the manufacturer to compete in our market, but in reality it makes it harder for the average consumer to afford an EV. If Canadian manufacturers cannot provide a lower cost product, why shouldn’t China be allowed to ship their product to our country in order to make it more affordable for the average consumer? The only entity that seems to be protected by tariffs is an already wealthy business owner.
Can somebody tell me what EV Canada produces? As far as I know, Canada does NOT produce any EVs! What are we protecting lol. If we're gonna place tariffs, we should put tariffs on ICE car imports, NOT EVs!!
It's very hard for Canadian policy not to follow or somewhat parallel to USA foreign policy. We have CIA, US ex-marine/CIA and US military personnels in almost every corner of our Federal government and National Defense.
The forum is presented as if Canada were an independent and sovereign country. But it is not. the content must be viewed in respect to the American policies. This is an exemplary case study of When the US says jump, Canada says how high.
Canadians get to buy American cars since the rest of the world is buying Chinese EVs. This is great for the US but I don’t understand how this helps Canadians..? Counter argument, CA doesn’t have electric grip to support this.?
Tariffs only work when domestic products are competitive with the imported products and need a little bit of economic advantage. But if there are no competitive products, the tariffs only hurt the local consumers. Either don’t buy the products or pay heavy prices.
Canada has committed 53 billions in support and subsidies for EV car manufacturers since 2020. That’s 12000 dollars per capita. For a family of four, the government has already spent 50K dollars before you even buy your first EV. Ouch! That’s expensive. There are subsidies that provide support and impetus for manufacturers to develop competitive products and eventually can stand on their own in the marketplace. There are also subsidies that are effective corporate welfare and in the name of keeping jobs, becomes a permanent fixture of the industry. I wonder which one is Canada’s financial support intends to be.
Any car dealer who wants to sell cars in Canada would pay the tariff. They would then add the tariff to the price of the car when trying to sell it. But since the price would be so high with a 100% tariff, no customer will buy the car anyways. So bottom line, the cars will never be imported to be sold in the first place.
It puzzles me a lot why western country leaders now are likely to introduce policies (defence, finance, industry, etc) to please US government, not for the benefit of their own countries. Canada is no exception. USA interests is the top priority, Canadian interests is the last.
That tells you something doesn’t it? What democracy? What sovereignty? We vote but it doesn’t get us what we want and it doesn’t improve our lives. The interests of big corporations and US takes precedence over everyday Canadians.
Voters never have a chance to choose which person can become candidates. We can only choose what the different oligarchs in each party's choice of candidates. That's why we have been choosing "bad apples" constantly..
There was a saying in the mainland in the past: I would rather have socialist grass than capitalist seedlings. For the sake of ideals, I don't need material enjoyment. Now Canada is also implementing this theory. It's good news. It seems that human thoughts are the same regardless of socialism or capitalism.
It would have been great if the panel had also talked about the many other advantages of cheap electric vehicles for reducing the cost of living and production, reducing urban air and noise pollution etc. Also, bringing Chinese EV companies to produce in Canada is important. Apart from saving some jobs it would also give Canada the chance to increase their exports to the US and expose the North American free trade agreement.
Political leaders are the cheapest yet the most profitable commodity to acquire. Once acquired they will follow your policy and strategies meticulously even at the expense of his own country. Regarding the Chinese EV, the West is putting high tariff on them on the basis that the EV industry is receiving too much government subsidy. From a "green' member point of view, cheap EV from China to Canada is effectively subsidizing Canada to reduce emission. Isn't it not?
Canada does not have a strong motor industry, like China 10-15 years ago. But Canada has abundant electricity supply and a huge market at its door step. They are ideal elements for the development of motor industry. Yet, Canada geoploitical restraint prohibited it to develop any industry in direct competition with its closest neighbor. Sorry my Canadian friends.
Should Canada nd China be-friend to each other, China's high-voltage transmission line will serve Canada's need with ultra-high efficiency. All it has to avoid is to support US global hegemony which is anti-civilisation.
The panelists have very good ideas and even good plans. It is correct that the population needs to be mobilized in order to make the huge changes that you wish to occur and the society desperately need. I think the biggest immediate difficulty you will be facing is that your voice is several orders of magnitude lower that what the big corporate news media are able to make. Your voice won't be able to reach the public effectively.
Should follow state media in China, impressive environmental Innitiatives happening. CGTN The Point-Hub-Heat, Shanghai Eye, Reporterfy Media-Cyrus Janssen.
Don’t bother. Canada has no need to handle foreign relations. To make a profit from playing foreign policy game, it demands a strong national capabilities, both economic power and human resource power. Canada lacks both.
why not impose 200 % ? If Trump comes back to the seat of power, Canada would be in good graces with him , and will find a way to turn MAGA into MA&CGA.
Part of this decision is probably sunken cost fallacy by Trudeau with his proposed EV manufacturing factory that won't be able to produce an EV car for some years and by that point we won't even know if they can produce a competitive product. In the meantime, we're stuck with 2x consumer EV prices and we're getting hit with reciprocal tariffs on our goods in Chinese markets. Especially the farming sector, which makes up 100+ times more trade of Canada's exports than Chinese EVs make up our imports - seriously a dumb tradeoff: Chinese EVs make up little of our imports, we don't have existing EV manufacturing to protect only a risky proposed one years down the line, and in return we consumers get no competitive products for many years, the things we actually trade with China such as our agricultural exports get hit to lower EV imports which makes up very little of our trade and to protect domestic EV manufacturing which currently makes little to none of our economy. Also our future EVs will most likely use parts of China's renewable energy supply chain if they want to be competitive anyways and we may be setting ourselves up for restrictions if we maintain or ramp protectionist trade policies. Also I for one would love to see Canada subsidize it's domestic manufacturing at the expense of capital e.g. capital taxes rather than subsidizing manufacturing at the expense of it's costumers via tariffs- but hey that would require the govt to have good foresight and not push consequences down to it's citizens.
Glad to see “Canadian foreign policy institute” held discussion here, however does Canada even have a foreign policy? Doesn’t Trudeau just receive phone calls from the US and say “yes sir!” to make it “policy”?
Amerikkka say Jump, and Prime minister Man Child asks "How high?".
Yes, this is super funny. The US imposes the 100% tariffs because it needs to protect the big three, but Canada does not have its own automobile industries, so this action essentially protects Ford, GM, even Toyota at the cost of Canadians.
A 50% or 110% tarrif would at least show that the Canadian government tried to stave off the accusition of Canada being America's bitch. But they are not even trying to pretend.
How stupid to impose high taxes on Canadian consumers just to please US
Canada doesn't have a foreign policy.
USA's foreign policy is Canadian's foreign policy.
New York Post
" US officials pressured Canada to stop ‘Freedom Convoy,’ new testimony reveals "
Does Canada has any other choice? Canada even arrested the princess of Huawei to please US.
Canada doing everything to help out USA'a over rated and prohibitively expensive Tesla EV
Unlike the US, Canada doesn't even have any domestic car companies to protect.
Canada's "car industry" consists of manufacturing a few models for foreign companies, but they could've struck similar deals with Chinese companies. This will GROW our "car industry".
Canada only produce a handful of foreign cars domestically. Most cars we buy are already imported. *Most cars we make are exported* . Cheap Chinese EVs won't hurt domestic vehicle production cause most of what we produce goes to the US and they won't have cheap Chinese EVs to compete with so they'll keep taking the cars we produce.
Canada is American's muppet, simply put.
Saw some news reports from CBC, Global News, etc. Their invited experts didn't even mention the poinst you just made.
Tariffs are meant to make it less economical for the manufacturer to compete in our market, but in reality it makes it harder for the average consumer to afford an EV. If Canadian manufacturers cannot provide a lower cost product, why shouldn’t China be allowed to ship their product to our country in order to make it more affordable for the average consumer? The only entity that seems to be protected by tariffs is an already wealthy business owner.
Let's start a Anti Tariff Revolution
@@ihappeningcommunications8318 well, we could just quit protecting the bottom line of big corporations so much.
US daddy said do it
@@Boyaytb and therefore as their northern neighbour we must oblige. No thanks!
@@DrumguyCiv Potatoes-deau has no choice. If he refuses he gets removed from office.
Thank you for keeping cheaper cars out of the Canadian market we love the overpriced shit boxes the big 3 produces
True-d'oh is protecting an EV industry they don't have but destroying the canola industry they do have..... what a genius piece of politics
Make America Great Again
Can somebody tell me what EV Canada produces? As far as I know, Canada does NOT produce any EVs! What are we protecting lol.
If we're gonna place tariffs, we should put tariffs on ICE car imports, NOT EVs!!
Correct. We are just Doggos fir Uncle Sam... F them, let people eat, let them havec$10k ev... now!
going green and carbon tax is a lie, the government just wants a way to get your money, we are too rich for those cheap Chinese cars.
This us what you get when you are under the thumb of the US.
Check out some of their ev
ruclips.net/video/fDTM9Xh5bqE/видео.html
If Canada is geniune on putting tariff on any subsidy, do a thorough reseaech on ALL cars imported and do the same to everbody.
It's very hard for Canadian policy not to follow or somewhat parallel to USA foreign policy.
We have CIA, US ex-marine/CIA and US military personnels in almost every corner of our Federal government and National Defense.
sorry poor Canadian , we had no choice ,must obey US order with out question asked
Thank you Sam for bringing to a whole new ball game on EV complex issues as an independent and to be a solidarity Country leaving the politics aside.
So well said, great job done Sam!❤
Instead of putting tariffs on Chinese cars. Get China to manufacture them in Canada to create jobs. Of course USA foreign policy would not be happy.
The forum is presented as if Canada were an independent and sovereign country. But it is not. the content must be viewed in respect to the American policies. This is an exemplary case study of When the US says jump, Canada says how high.
Canadians get to buy American cars since the rest of the world is buying Chinese EVs. This is great for the US but I don’t understand how this helps Canadians..? Counter argument, CA doesn’t have electric grip to support this.?
Tariffs only work when domestic products are competitive with the imported products and need a little bit of economic advantage. But if there are no competitive products, the tariffs only hurt the local consumers. Either don’t buy the products or pay heavy prices.
at this point we might as well call ourselves another state of the US. Why are we kowtowing to these warmongering clowns?
Canada has committed 53 billions in support and subsidies for EV car manufacturers since 2020. That’s 12000 dollars per capita. For a family of four, the government has already spent 50K dollars before you even buy your first EV.
Ouch! That’s expensive.
There are subsidies that provide support and impetus for manufacturers to develop competitive products and eventually can stand on their own in the marketplace.
There are also subsidies that are effective corporate welfare and in the name of keeping jobs, becomes a permanent fixture of the industry.
I wonder which one is Canada’s financial support intends to be.
Let vote in a regime that will hive us $20k car!
Elizabeth May: word salad.
Sam Gindin: insightful meaningful comments.
Gobind Dhugee: huh?
Who's paying for tariff anyway?
Any car dealer who wants to sell cars in Canada would pay the tariff. They would then add the tariff to the price of the car when trying to sell it. But since the price would be so high with a 100% tariff, no customer will buy the car anyways. So bottom line, the cars will never be imported to be sold in the first place.
@@HiggsBoson2149 if the gov don't want Chinese cars, why not just ban it like they did Huawei phones?
@@rastoferi6012 They wants to make money from you by selling expensive cars. The phones can't make as much.
@@joes6620tariffs sound like more tax to me
@@rastoferi6012 Sorry, what I meant 'they' are refering the government.
It puzzles me a lot why western country leaders now are likely to introduce policies (defence, finance, industry, etc) to please US government, not for the benefit of their own countries.
Canada is no exception. USA interests is the top priority, Canadian interests is the last.
Stockholm syndrome
Because they are all one. They all work for satan
Canada is doing its best. Congratulations from the USA
Good paying Union jobs making horse buggies ... yeah, that'll really make Canada competitive.
Do people in Canada want the 100% tariff on Chinese EVs by paying double the price? Don’t you have democracy? You should have a say in this matter.
That tells you something doesn’t it? What democracy? What sovereignty? We vote but it doesn’t get us what we want and it doesn’t improve our lives. The interests of big corporations and US takes precedence over everyday Canadians.
@@palmpalm5131 we also don’t get to vote on tariff issues in the US.
Voters never have a chance to choose which person can become candidates. We can only choose what the different oligarchs in each party's choice of candidates.
That's why we have been choosing "bad apples" constantly..
Same as solar panels - >160% tariff on Chinese PV since 2016
You can charge 1000% when the Chinese just ignore the Canadian market 😂😂 and you can be United Snake's lapdog happily.
Is Canada a colony of USA ？
Absolutely
Michael Hudson has a more polite word "US satellite state"
There was a saying in the mainland in the past: I would rather have socialist grass than capitalist seedlings. For the sake of ideals, I don't need material enjoyment. Now Canada is also implementing this theory. It's good news. It seems that human thoughts are the same regardless of socialism or capitalism.
It would have been great if the panel had also talked about the many other advantages of cheap electric vehicles for reducing the cost of living and production, reducing urban air and noise pollution etc.
Also, bringing Chinese EV companies to produce in Canada is important. Apart from saving some jobs it would also give Canada the chance to increase their exports to the US and expose the North American free trade agreement.
What Sam is arguing for is 'social unionism' which is the best way forward for the workers movement.
Lol, Musk says thank you for his 2nd Trillion USD. $$$ All the way to the bank.
Gain for countries importing for their population; exporter has nothing to lose. 😁
Political leaders are the cheapest yet the most profitable commodity to acquire. Once acquired they will follow your policy and strategies meticulously even at the expense of his own country. Regarding the Chinese EV, the West is putting high tariff on them on the basis that the EV industry is receiving too much government subsidy. From a "green' member point of view, cheap EV from China to Canada is effectively subsidizing Canada to reduce emission. Isn't it not?
Canada doesn't even have a local automotive industry. So what exactly is it protecting?
Canada does not have a strong motor industry, like China 10-15 years ago. But Canada has abundant electricity supply and a huge market at its door step. They are ideal elements for the development of motor industry. Yet, Canada geoploitical restraint prohibited it to develop any industry in direct competition with its closest neighbor. Sorry my Canadian friends.
Canadian electricity abundancy depend on locations. We lack inter- provincial electricity connections to fix this. (We need more basic infrastructure)
Should Canada nd China be-friend to each other, China's high-voltage transmission line will serve Canada's need with ultra-high efficiency. All it has to avoid is to support US global hegemony which is anti-civilisation.
I would like to hear Dimitri Lascaris' opinion.
The panelists have very good ideas and even good plans. It is correct that the population needs to be mobilized in order to make the huge changes that you wish to occur and the society desperately need. I think the biggest immediate difficulty you will be facing is that your voice is several orders of magnitude lower that what the big corporate news media are able to make. Your voice won't be able to reach the public effectively.
Should follow state media in China, impressive environmental Innitiatives happening. CGTN The Point-Hub-Heat, Shanghai Eye, Reporterfy Media-Cyrus Janssen.
Canada discussing foreign orders from their southern masters.
Picking new boogie man., Western politicians never knew about diplomacy. They always relied on force.
It's hard to be a vassal state. It's ok. Chinese does not wish to bother with canada anyway.
100%tarifss on China but Canadian have to pay it.,....ha ha 😅😅😂😊😊😊
Don’t bother. Canada has no need to handle foreign relations. To make a profit from playing foreign policy game, it demands a strong national capabilities, both economic power and human resource power. Canada lacks both.
Canada want lead on ev industry ( by Canadian primary minister) by how?
Canada can not be the lead of anything, even a PM.
why not impose 200 % ? If Trump comes back to the seat of power, Canada would be in good graces with him , and will find a way to turn MAGA into MA&CGA.
😂😂 this is literal proof of Canada trying to be like the Americans but at the same time they wanna act different
Canada.. climate change is the most existential to humanity, then puts 100% tax on cheap clean tech from China 😂
I rather pay 30k for my EV Verse 80k.
YES is The answer to "100% Tariffs on China's EVs: Is this Canada's "Just Transition"? Because the whole "Just Transition" is BS.
You WANT the 100% tariffs? You WANT to pay more for EVs?
Overcapacity
We want $10k EVs or face folks REBELLION!
Part of this decision is probably sunken cost fallacy by Trudeau with his proposed EV manufacturing factory that won't be able to produce an EV car for some years and by that point we won't even know if they can produce a competitive product.
In the meantime, we're stuck with 2x consumer EV prices and we're getting hit with reciprocal tariffs on our goods in Chinese markets. Especially the farming sector, which makes up 100+ times more trade of Canada's exports than Chinese EVs make up our imports - seriously a dumb tradeoff: Chinese EVs make up little of our imports, we don't have existing EV manufacturing to protect only a risky proposed one years down the line, and in return we consumers get no competitive products for many years, the things we actually trade with China such as our agricultural exports get hit to lower EV imports which makes up very little of our trade and to protect domestic EV manufacturing which currently makes little to none of our economy. Also our future EVs will most likely use parts of China's renewable energy supply chain if they want to be competitive anyways and we may be setting ourselves up for restrictions if we maintain or ramp protectionist trade policies.
Also I for one would love to see Canada subsidize it's domestic manufacturing at the expense of capital e.g. capital taxes rather than subsidizing manufacturing at the expense of it's costumers via tariffs- but hey that would require the govt to have good foresight and not push consequences down to it's citizens.
Just a US pet
By following the Americans, Canadians won’t go to bed hungry.
Tariff = extra tax on Canadians! How would tariffs on China's EVs benefit the Canadians?