@@dong9514 "couldn't" in terms of "tried, but didn't work". The TRYING is the disqualifying part for a leader! It's like saying that attempted murder isn't that big of a deal, and shouldn't be punished unless you pull off the murder.
So what do you actually think Trump did? Because what Destiny is saying is complete bullshit. There's nothing illegal about taking your argument to court. Trump didn't attempt anything. He questioned the results and left the decision in the hands of who was legally responsible for it. Are you people this dumb?
"You're too far gone on this" Bro the worst part is Destiny is pretty much 100% right on all of this. The fact so many people don't know about the insane things that went on under Trump is pretty terrifying. He's getting away with things that I thought a President would've been out of office the next day for.
The Donald excuse machine works backwards from the premise "defend Donald at all costs". To a GOP voter who chooses party over country its more of a sport.
His presumption of innocence is overwhelming, pathological even. Trump & Giuliani could and did no wrong, according to this guy. No amount of evidence will convince him. He's a Trumper.
Do people EVER expect criminal to say in plain English the actual crimes they are committing. It’s like they need Trump to say the exact words, “I command you all to raid the capital and commit insurrection” or it’s just not legitimate. I mean, how many times have we seen the stereotypical mobster threatened somebody by saying something like “I would hate for something bad to happen to your little dog here.” Well wait, He didn’t say he was going to kill the dog so how can you prove he was actually going to kill the dog?
I would expect the criminal not to say "Be peaceful" to a crowd that he wants to riot.. Trump isnt even be tried for insurrection or anything related. So keep having a circle jerk and pretending 4 years later you're right about anything.
They don't care. They have shown us they are willing to put an antidemocratic wannabe autocrat in power if it means they get things like tax cuts, right-wing supreme court picks that will overturn Roe, withdrawn support for Ukraine, etc. They will happily throw away the democracy we have left for this.
"Why would Trump want violence? He wouldn't do that and make himself look bad"... as violence literally happened AND the violence benefitted his goal (delayed the certifications) AND he did nothing to stop it until it was clear his plan failed. This coping MAGA argument is the same as saying: "Why would a mother EVER murder her own child? She gave BIRTH to it. She NURTURED it. A child is the most PRECIOUS thing in the world. Are you saying children aren't precious? Are you saying mothers don't love their children unconditionally? You are a terrible person for doubting the love of a mother".... as they defend Casey Anthony. They've completely forgotten the MAIN POINT of it all because they are too wrapped up in their alternate reality built by mental gymnastics and deliberate ignorance
The part where he said " i dont think trump thought they would make it inside the Capitol" drive me nuts. Trump absolutely knew. There was a meeting on Jan 5th with Roger stone, MTG, proud boys and others about the plan for that day. And there is no freaking way they didn't report back to trump
@@Mogorman87 yeah cope lol. Nice one. Give me one piece of evidence where Trump is explicitly trying to formulate a riot. Just one example, please baby please.
Destiny the justice warrior. What is so sad about Jan 6 is that so much leading up to it and Trumps behaviour on the day itself should be enough for people to not even care about the details. People are so acclimitized to Trumps double standards and madness, that they are willing to overlook obvious things that any decent person would have never accepted just a few years ago.
Take the 3 worst things Trump does and says every month, and, unironically, you can completely tank any other politician's race. But, because it's Trump, who's running for PRESIDENT, it's "we take him seriously not literally", it's "he doesn't actually mean" it's "let's just look at his policies" (not even to mention that if you ignore Project 2025 like he wants you to, the policy proposal in his website has 16 pages, while Kamala's has 5000)
The bar is so low for conservatives right now. Trump has downplayed the importance of everything that makes America great because he thinks everyone is put to get him.
The mental gymnastics required by these jokers to defend Trump is amazing. It's so consistent: those who didn't use logic to come to their conclusion can't be argued out of that opinion with actual logic.
You can't just say both sides. That doesn't explain anything. You need to learn to explain your position so that it's given weight. Just sayin something like this, is expecting other to fill in your massive blanks.
Yep, attempted murder is still a crime. Aiding and abetting a criminal/crime is also a crime. Trump is guilty of at least a WILLING dereliction of his duty as President that day. I would guess he's guilty of even worse/more.
it wasn't just the events of that day - this was a sustained weeks long assault. They even had a "war room" set up in the Willard hotel ffs. The commentators in the video are willfully ignorant and the comment section is astoundingly stupid, uninformed.
@@chomskysfavefive That is how laws work, we look at evidence to see what a person is thinking. We don't have a every criminal go "Yeah I did that crime because" No we look at their actions, and other peoples statements. Otherwise you could never prove crimes that require mens rea unless they are stupid and say why.
… Really? Tbh this whole debate is made moot when you hear trump literally say we’re gonna March ‘peacefully and patriotically’… No dog walking required 🤷♂️
I can sympathize, but if you want to make *any* headway with these “centrist” or “moderate” types, the people that feel confident sitting on the fence while making no effort to properly learn about a subject while pushing against those more knowledgeable, you have to be incredibly patient. You have to humor their ignorant false equivalencies, the vacuous bumper sticker slogans, and you have an uphill battle explaining under oath testimony, explaining that internal communications are the source/evidence of many of these claims, and the massive volume of evidence due to the shamelessness of those involved. You are essentially fighting against an entire media ecosystem. Most people don’t understand their own cognitive biases, they don’t even think to account for them, so they aren’t lost. You can help them, you just have to be patient, you have to be compassionate, and you have to be significantly more informed than most pundits.
@@TraceVandal Literarily the opposite of truth. Democrats are constantly demonized by propaganda machines, if they actually had legitimate dirt on candidates they would be using it non stop.
Not a single streamer online has done as much legit research on this topic than Destiny. He’s 100% right about this and everyone should listen. He’s not saying what he thinks, he’s saying what he is seeing.
I guess the keyword there is "legit". Who has the authority to decide what research is "legit"? The way you phrase that kinda sounds like you've authorized yourself to make that judgment.
How was she “directly involved” ? Are you referencing the flag she had up on her property? If so, you’ll have to explain how she was “directly involved.”
@masonchamberlin8067 I don't bother with people like you. You'll just move the goalposts every time until you're cornered, then you'll just say you don't care. You have absolutely no allegiance to truth, facts, or reality.
I always hear how the Right is “sowing distrust in our institutions” when they criticize the FBI or DOJ from mainstream media and Democrat politicians… but not a peep when the Left criticizes the Supreme Court.. our biases lead us to blind hypocrisy
It's sad that people like destiny will cry about the supreme court not being neutral but will also claim that there is no way institutions like the fed could also not be neutral.
Trump is smart enough to not outright call for violence. He knows how crazy his MAGA supporters are, and what they would be capable of. Him saying he will march with them will only excite them more. It was very calculated.
Just like a mob boss, that’s why they had to create new laws to catch mob bosses. They would never directly say they want someone killed, they would imply that it would be nice if that person was no longer around.
It doesn't appear you know much about any MAGA people. Your circle jerk right here seems to be information poor about them. Perhaps you should risk sullying your mind with wrong think to figure out what the average MAGA proponent thinks.
As for supreme court. They HAVE attacked the constitution, twisting the plain words that states anyone who lends aid or comfort to insurrectionists is NOT ELIGIBLE TO HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE. SCOTUS is currently a joke. It should be a source of shame that nationals of other countries know the names of Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Kavanaugh, Conan Barratt. Utterly shameful.
Im honestly kind of ambivalent about Destiny overall, but he is pretty dead to rights and well informed and researched on Trump trying to steal an election.
Destiny has some braindead leftist takes. But hearing him describe the story and evidence step-by-step and reviewing the courtroom docs and tweets myself... you'd have to be willfully ignorant to think what Trump did wasn't shady AF. I wish Pence or another Republican would take over the GOP.
“You’re too far gone” My guy, you’re the one doing mental gymnastics to give Trump the most charitably possible to not hold him at least somewhat accountable for what happened that day.
sure, what did he do? no he did not incite an insurrection. he literally tried to get the national guard involved to make sure that location was safe. Pelosi didn't want that. Don't believe me? cha.house.gov/2024/9/transcripts-show-president-trump-s-directives-to-pentagon-leadership-to-keep-january-6-safe-were-deliberately-ignored here you go.
people riot for things they care about and find justifiable to riot for. is it an unfortunate fact of human nature? yes. but it still happens. There is no such discourse about the accountability of the actions of those who rioted for black lives matter riots because those issues were “politically correct”. black lives matter resulted in 2 billion in damage and 30+ lives lost and nobody talks about it. but it’s cool to call trump a dictator and insurrectionist for speaking passionately about what he cares about and what he thinks is wrong about our system the same way people rioted over the issues they cared about with racism in america
Jan 6th took place in a time where people were losing jobs bc they didn’t want to be forcibly vaccinated and the world was shutdown and lies upon lies were spread about covid and the scared process of voting was suddenly changed because of the pandemic. people were fed up and were standing up for the wrongs they felt were unacceptable
Ya this wasn't a debate at all. He was just laying up points for Steven to knock down and explain everything. Well done on both sides. Unlike Dave Smith who's too scared to talk to Steve.
It’s very sad that Dave Smith is such s terrified grifter that he refuses to *talk* to Destiny because he knows he can’t keep up. Dave is an agoraphobic dog terrified of being walked
The host is way off on the Supreme Court. They voted to give Trump immunity from basically anything... how can you not think they are beholden to Trump? WTF?
It would have never been necessary if the Democrats hadn't lost their damned minds and went after a defeated incumbent President. That tradition had served us well for centuries, it left open the possibility of doing so in the case of the truly egregious.then the petty vindictiveness of the Dems presumably still angry that Trump had the temerity to win an election that Hillary had clearly called dibs on (BTW have they stopped denying that election yet?) Decided to make a mountain out of a molehill and thus the codification of the old tradition that now sets a legal standard that must be met beforehand. Nice going Dems. I tell you that party does not have a single shred of foresight. no matter how seemingly obvious an outcome is, they always seem surprised when it happens. How can a group capable of such devilishly effective voting tactic be so lacking in the ability to see the logical next step of any action? One of the reasons that it is essential that they lose this election is to repudiate their tactics. If not repudiated, they will be come fair game and all too common use. Do we really want all of our national candidates to have to dodge through a plethora of dubious charges while being silenced by judges (as fun as some direct payback would be is is unspeakably bad for our nation and dare I say it, the democratic traditions upon which this nation's governance rests).
It's the timing that's implicates Trump. He knew when the Congress was being evacuated because he heard it on the TV he was watching. Then he starts calling Congress on the phone after he knew the "pressure was on" the members of Congress because of the mop he led down Pennsylvania Ave...
Especially right considering everything in context, instead of looking back at it and cherry picking specifically looking for the word violence used. Mfers literally said "fight for your country" to a crowd *they* riled up that largely brought supplies, gear, and guns specifically for action. It was clear then and clear now.
Key aspect: the rally organizer only applied for a protest at the Ellipse. National Park Services directly asked the organizer if they wanted to validate other locations/activity and directly asked about the Capitol. The organizer said no, only the Ellipse. She later texted Mike Lindell: "This stays only between us, we are having a second stage at the Supreme Court again after the ellipse. POTUS is going to have us march there/the Capitol ... It can also not get out about the march because I will be in trouble with the national park service and all the agencies but POTUS is going to just call for it 'unexpectedly,'"
The fake Electors scheme was PROOF there was criminal intent… They were told since mid November that Mike Pence would not “throw it back to the states” on Jan 6th so the fake electors could cheat America out of our votes…
I think it is likely he wanted violence, or at least was complicit once it started, but I don’t get why he would order 10k national guard which was denied if that was his goal.
I don't think Trump is a good guy at all. But I'd rather him run the country than Kamala or Joe. I just really don't like the Democratic party anymore. And I used to be a Democrat. I think they have changed in many ways. I don't like either party or Trump. For me, it's more about what I don't like more.
Mr Borrelli is really speaking soundly on the subject. I always trust the insight of Mr Borelle. Where would we be without the voice of Mr. Morelli? Truly.
Yea he even takes proven liars testimony as fact anyone who takes this clown seriously deserves everything they have and I am willing to bet it's more then 0 mental illnesses
Ehhh, Mr Bocelli 😂 I don’t agree with Destiny’s take on Israel but that debate was hilarious. About the Israel take, he’s kind of hanging on to some logical technicalities that sure, you could hang an argument on but only at the expense of compassion.
Giuliani is saying that he needs 10 days, and that he will never get those 10 days if they don't go to the Capitol and stop the certification. Clearly, obviously.
NO ONE has been convicted of insurrection or rebellion under federal criminal code 18 USC 2383 in conjunction with the Jan. 6 riots. The most severe felony conviction was that under 18 USC 2384 "Seditious Conspiracy." For what it is worth, Trump has not been charged with that crime either. That's something else people here might want to consider. Rather than yapping about what does or does not qualify as insurrection, why don't you focus on proving the specific crimes Trump is actually charged with. Because what "amazes me" is the number of people who apparently think Trump can be convicted of a crime for which he is NOT INDICTED. Not going to happen, folks.
Yeah, the softening of the language against these traitors is historically on brand for the US. The way many talk about the Confederacy and the Civil War they launched and lost is a prime example.
It was criminal dereliction of duty. He swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. A key part of the Constitution was being implemented by Congress at that time.
Yeah, I looked up in shock when I heard that from across the room. The rotten SC justices are Christian Right fanatics; they want the U.S. to be a Christian nation with no leeway for those who aren't believers in that religion.
False. The number of Supreme Court justices was set at nine by chapter 22 of the Judiciary Act of 1869 on April 10 of that year in the first session of the 41st Congress. It was signed into law by President Grant and the number of associate justices has not been changed in the years since its adoption. The law is part of the "US Statutes at Large" and is cited as "16 Stat. 44." In other words, Congress has fixed the CURRENT membership of the Supreme Court at nine associate justices and may choose to raise or lower that number under its Article III Constitutional authority at any time it chooses, but has elected NOT to do so for the past 155 years. But, yes. The law exists.
When Destiny pointed out all the knives that were confiscated from the attackers at January 6th, all i could think of is 'hey, isnt that what the Blackshirts did?' Yeah, that's terrifying
Also, allegedly, there were guns stashed away in a hotel nearby, there were guns stashed in a boat across the Potomac river, and there were guns stashed in a van outside the city limits ... all waiting for the order to deliver them. These people actually saw themselves as starting their own "Revolutionary War 2.0" and they were going to be the "New Founding Fathers and Mothers"
That was quite the cope from the host, destiny broke it down in fine detail and yet his argument was simply that in simple terms “ITS NOT A BIG DEAL YOU’RE MAKING OUT TO BE BECAUSE THE GUARDRAILS HELD” That is completely ludicrous
And even the guardrails absolutely did not hold. Mike Pence held, that one time. Steven makes that abundandly clear and even spells it out literally in this conversation.
@@AJ-FL the best predictors of future behavior are past behavior. Trump hasn’t changed & won’t. If he loses again it’ll be 2020 cope fest all over again only this time I fear Trump & the MAGA mob will go full unhinged.
@@michaelturley8222 you’re right. He has an opinion that maga sucks. But everyone sane will believe the same thing once informed of all the facts. Destiny cites his arguments and live streams his research, so I’d like you to try and fact check him. :)
@@meekamikamocha not true. He constantly uses his opinion of what Trump must’ve been hoping for, thinking, responsible to do. It’s constant opinion. That’s why he got dog walked and backed down when he debated Shapiro. I was actually starting to believe Destiny’s narrative about J6 before that debate because the people he debated before that looked so dumb, but he basically admitted he was wrong when Ben pushed him, and moved the debate from legal to moral, basically communicating “okay, fine it wasn’t illegal, I’ll admit it, but isn’t Trump so bad!” Another example of the clear bias. I’ve followed politics for 20 years, the first time I’ve ever heard fight to be taken literally was Trumps speech. Like I said, he’s biased. And anyone that’s actually not insane knows the threat of the progressive left and their impact on culture (primarily how theyve pushed identity politics so viciously and dishonestly that it’s led to the worst division on identity lines that we’ve had since the 90s R King riots and OJ case) far outweighs the damage of the MAGA movement, especially considering that movement was a reaction to the left’s destruction of our society and norms and constant painting of republicans as demons. So if you do think they’re a threat, which they’re objectively not as we saw even on their worst day there was 2,000 willing to even get remotely unlawful, you should focus on the cause of that “threat” and take a look at the left. Isn’t that what we’re always asked to do when reflecting on the high murder rate of black men? The cause of those problems? Which I actually agree with, but let’s keep that same energy and focus on the real problem in this country, which is objectively the left to anyone without a severely limited perspective or capability to be honest because of their succesful brainwashing by the left. Nice try though.
@@meekamikamocha lol it’s okay I don’t expect any honor from a liberal 😘 hilarious you say lost me at ben when destiny literally admits ben is right in the debate lmao unreal
ending on that last line is hilarious. Trump has not only gotten away with some of the most worst crimes, he's potentially going back to the white house.
Well, perhaps democrats should have allowed people to actually primary in a competent opposition to trump. Instead we have a diversity hire idiot that nobody voted for as the other choice. Likely, trump beats her, and democrats have nobody to blame but themselves.
One thing Destiny leaves out is that standard procedure for Mike Pence's SS detail would be ,get him the hell out of the Capital. That is why Pence REFUSED to get in his car when in the tunnels. He knew that if he got in that car, he would have been driven away, and the Certification would not happen. The violence was the backup plan, if Pence "Fails to do what is right".
Great Point, Destiny should have said the crowd wouldn't have attacked if Pence didn't certify. When Certification started and Pence didn't His 2:24pm tweet told his pit bulls to attack telling the crowd he didn't do what's right is what incited the riot.
I know it's very frustrating how people just invent things like this because they don't actually pay attention. It's like all the people saying there where no assassination attempts on Obama, Biden, or W Bush.
He did not just say to destiny after not proving even one point he made, having to give in to destiny at every turn, says, YOU ARE TOO FAR GONE ON THIS? BRO. BROOOOOOO. Everything you guys say is actually a projection. The slogan is real
Of course he did. Even if you make an argument that he didn't, which I don't think you can, his actions after violence started shows that at the very minimum he was happy with how things had turned out, and saw it as an opportunity to possibly get what he wanted. Is that really any better?
And let's even be more charitable and say that Trump was appalled at what was happening, and he froze up from shock or fear because of what was happening ... THAT alone is enough to never let him anywhere near the Presidency ever again.
That is why he told everyone to protest "peacefully." You don't use that word if that is not your intent. Lets just apply some logic here. Trump's goal was to not have the votes get certified. What good did he think it would have done if his supporters broke into the Capitol, wrecked property, and assaulted police officers? Are you really dumb enough to believe that Trump thought that would actually save his chances? Nonsense. He was not happy with the way things turned out. The reason he did not call it off earlier is because he knows once he would have done that it would have ended any hope left of stopping the vote certification. So he was hoping the people would have gotten out of the Capitol and the protest could still go on outside. It eventually got to a point where he had to say something though because it had gone on for too long. Not to mention, it would have been highly embarrassing for him to have to publically call off the riot, which he knew people were going to blame him for. Yes, he was wrong for not stopping it sooner. I am not defending his actions AFTER the Capitol was already broke into. But it absolutely was never his intent for that to actually happen.
Roberts knew about Alito's flag before the public. He only took the opinion away from Alito when the public knew. Roberts is not honorable. Also his immunity opinion contains two deceptions in my opinion. It starts with a reference to federalist 70. That paper mentions nothing about immunity to support a singular president. It had a series of arguments supporting having one person be president instead of multiple people. I'm not a lawyer so maybe I'm interpreting it wrong. If I'm right though, Roberts should have pointed out the paper was missing that argument then gone on to explain why it is needed. He leaves it to the reader to either look it up or infer it has immunity in it. Also when addressing the dissenting opinions, he never responded to Fitzgerald being civil not criminal and the fact that it explicitly states multiple times the president would not be immune and could be tried if it was a criminal case. Roberts was being deceptive. Whatever his reason for lying, he thought it was more important than the rule of law.
why did you continue to fight on first degree, after he clarified 2nd degree reckless indifference? and then you acted as if he wasn't understanding your argument when it was clearly the other way around sad
People had permits to protest there days before Trump even got there. Coups don't happen through riots lol. Using mass institutions, weaponizing the FBI and the news in order to rig an election, is a coup however
Because Trump is an egotist and gets a "wild" thrill from the idea of thousands of people gathering on his behalf, the louder and more extreme their support for him, the "wilder". If you think J6 was a coup, you're either a painfully naive and ignorant, or you're a partisan hack. Anyone with a decent grasp of human nature and a basic understanding of historical insurrections will immediately flag the conspicuous lack of an organized rifle squad as instantly disqualifying J6 from being a coup attempt. And, by the way, the top government official (Nancy Pelosi) was NOT intimidated by J6. In fact, there's a recording of her relishing the capitol breach, which she viewed as political ammunition with which to impeach Trump (which indeed happened a week later).
They tried to pressure Pence into not even showing up that day so Chuck Grassley could do their bidding and they had set up an off-site, undercover "war room" at the Willard Hotel... how many incriminating details are necessary for these ignorant, lazy fools to understand what was happening?
The only explanation i have for why people would doubt trump incited an insurrection is they love trump. They've been deranged by him and only see him in a good light.
Or maybe there's 0 concrete evidence of Trump making any attempt to incite an insurrection?? Destiny is literally just going off of a fantasy version of Trump that schemes and plots interestingly similar to how destiny himself schemes and plots 🤣🤣. It's actually just projection 🤣🤣🤣
Everything you can't imagine ever happening either did already happen or will happen. It's irresponsible to look away and act like Trump is not a future dictator. This is not rethoric, it's reality.
It's not just Trump either. The Republican Party, by allowing Trump to get away with so much, have established that this is the direction that any of them are willing to take to keep or gain power going forward.
I'm not sure how "let's have trial by combat" means lets combat in court??? lmao😂 If Rudy meant, let's present our cases in court and duke it out there, then wouldn't he say "lets have a trial and present our evidence to combat the lies/fraud/etc..."??
False. The number of Supreme Court justices was set at nine by chapter 22 of the Judiciary Act of 1869 on April 10 of that year in the first session of the 41st Congress. It was signed into law by President Grant and the number of associate justices has not been changed in the years since its adoption. The law is part of the "US Statutes at Large" and is cited as "16 Stat. 44."
This guy saying the Supreme Court is a respected and trustworthy group. With high approval. What planet is he on? I believe. I believe. I believe. Well you believe WRONG. Google John Robert's Trump. Read the newest news there. To say Robert's isn't maga with a straight face means, I have no idea what I'm talking about
@@LarryK-jg6iwyou are twisting facts. How many justices were there under Lincoln? Let me help you. 10. There was 10. There is no law saying there must be 9. However, since that year in the 1800s it hasn't changed, even though before that, it fluctuated all the time. It's just tradition now. But Roe was tradition and precedent as well. And we see how much that's respected by you. So no. There is no law saying there must be 9. There has been 9 since yes. But not because of any law. Your turn.
@@LazyEyePolitics What the hell is wrong with you? Just look the damn thing UP! Wikipedia is your friend. The number of justices of the Supreme Court was EXPANDED to 10 by Congress under the Tent Circuit Act of 1863 (12 Stat. 794) and signed into law by President Lincoln on March 3, 1863. Days later, Lincoln nominated California Supreme Court Justice Stephen J. Field to the new seat and Field would go on to be the longest serving associate justice of the Court until William O. Douglas set the new record. But Field would only be the TENTH member of the Court for less than a decade. Following Lincoln's assassination in 1865, Congress passed the Judicial Circuits Act of 1866 (ch. 210, 14 Stat. 209) which, in addition to redrawing the geographical circuit boundaries, provided for the gradual reduction in the number of seats on the Supreme Court from the ten that had been authorized in 1863 to seven!! This Act was signed into law by President Johnson in July of 1866. From Wiki: "As it happened, only two seats, those of John Catron and James Moore Wayne, were abolished during the brief three-year interval of the Act's efficacy, before being superseded by the Judiciary Act of 1869." Here is what you and a bunch of other amateurs keep missing. Congress can set the number of Supreme Court justices to whatever it wants and at any time it wants. And they have. But whenever they do so, IT IS UNDENIABLY A MATTER OF LAW!!! They pass a LAW! The President SIGNS THE LAW! Whatever role "tradition" may play, the NUMERICAL COMPOSITION OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF LAW. Information encased in parentheses, i.e. (ch. 210, 14 Stat. 209) is a LEGAL CITATION where you can actually find the law. The legal citation to the CURRENT LAW setting the numerical composition of the Supreme Court, which not so coincidentally happens to STILL be the Judiciary Act of 1869, is (ch. 22, 16 Stat. 44). Don't believe me? Go ask a lawyer.
"Conservatives have no priciples, and Liberals have no spine." I heard this recently, and I think it perfectly sums up the frustrations of progressives.
Destiny has done a lot of research for Jan 6 and put together a few videos/debates on YT. Would highly recommend watching it, it's crazy how bad this situation really is and Trump's orchestration of it.
Imagine I'm having a heated verbal argument with a guy, turn to my friend, and say, "take care of this guy!" I then watch as my friend physically assaults the guy for several minutes (hours maybe). Would it be reasonable for an observer to conclude that my intent was violence? What if I say, "peacefully take care of this guy!" Then I watch as the violence happens. Would it still be reasonable to conclude I intended violence? I could explain later that I meant "peacefully" or "verbally agree with my position in this argument." Would any excuse matter if you watched me watch my friend commit the violence at my request while I made no attempt to intervene? I say that it is reasonable to assume my intent was violence.
The supreme court would 100% have let an overturning of the election stand. This court is all about saying they're going to be hands off for things they claim are the exclusive purview of other branches (see the immunity decision, at a minimum) when it gets them a result they want. "Who are we to overrule the decision of the legislature or to determine there was undue pressure?"
Plus, they essentially gave the President the powers of a King/Emperor/Dictator to try and save Trump from being prosecuted and found guilty of his crimes.
A lot of people who never watched an election found out that cities take longer to count, in 2020.... It was the biggest civics lesson of all time and the biggest self report of all time.
True. Trump basically incited an insurrection and then aided and abetted them by doing nothing within his powers as President (or even as a concerned citizen who knew a crime was taking place) to stop them. Then to add insult to injury, the fucker stole a small library full of secret documents while leaving the country in shambles over the confusion he intentionally caused. And the topper now is him running for President again because he doesn't want to go to jail for the rest of his life and he wants to punish the people who caught and exposed his criming.
He did not incite a mob to storm the Capitol. Incitement needs to be intentional. There wa sno intention he had for his supporters to storm the Capitol. That is dumb.
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It feels like we keep saying "but would Trump REALLY do that??" When Trump has literally already done that.
Sounds more like he couldn't then wouldn't.
@@dong9514 "couldn't" in terms of "tried, but didn't work". The TRYING is the disqualifying part for a leader!
It's like saying that attempted murder isn't that big of a deal, and shouldn't be punished unless you pull off the murder.
@@zacharychristy8928 I agree. I Wasn't making the excuse that because he was incompetent that it wasn't a crime.
So what do you actually think Trump did? Because what Destiny is saying is complete bullshit. There's nothing illegal about taking your argument to court. Trump didn't attempt anything. He questioned the results and left the decision in the hands of who was legally responsible for it. Are you people this dumb?
@@dong9514bro you can’t read lol
"You're too far gone on this"
Bro the worst part is Destiny is pretty much 100% right on all of this. The fact so many people don't know about the insane things that went on under Trump is pretty terrifying. He's getting away with things that I thought a President would've been out of office the next day for.
@@TheSwegBucket “I love that you know all of this stuff!”
Destiny: “I HATE that I know all of this stuff!”
😂😂
We appreciate the work you do Destiny
Bro the worst part is no he's not and you're too far gone
@@charismatic9467the worst part is that your parents are siblings
@@Itzarzky the worst part is you're a destiny stan lmao
Some of it is horrific. Its extraordinarily dystopian. I don't know what happened to make these people like this.
The amount of charity given to Trump is insane
The Donald excuse machine works backwards from the premise "defend Donald at all costs". To a GOP voter who chooses party over country its more of a sport.
His presumption of innocence is overwhelming, pathological even. Trump & Giuliani could and did no wrong, according to this guy. No amount of evidence will convince him. He's a Trumper.
Trump didnt cause an insurrection. but people want that to be true so they make shit up to make that look true.
Projection
@@deadwingdomain That doesn't even make sense, chief.
Do people EVER expect criminal to say in plain English the actual crimes they are committing. It’s like they need Trump to say the exact words, “I command you all to raid the capital and commit insurrection” or it’s just not legitimate. I mean, how many times have we seen the stereotypical mobster threatened somebody by saying something like “I would hate for something bad to happen to your little dog here.”
Well wait, He didn’t say he was going to kill the dog so how can you prove he was actually going to kill the dog?
I would expect the criminal not to say "Be peaceful" to a crowd that he wants to riot.. Trump isnt even be tried for insurrection or anything related. So keep having a circle jerk and pretending 4 years later you're right about anything.
It's much older than the mob.
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" - King Henry II, 1170 AD
"He literally said he would hate it for something bad to happen to the dog!!! Are you dumb" -Trumples
@kenoost3507 daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayum. I remember that quote. Outstanding analogy, Ken.
They don't care. They have shown us they are willing to put an antidemocratic wannabe autocrat in power if it means they get things like tax cuts, right-wing supreme court picks that will overturn Roe, withdrawn support for Ukraine, etc. They will happily throw away the democracy we have left for this.
The willful ignorance and the amount of courtesy he gives Trumps actions is unreal. I really don’t get this type of pandering. It does not make sense.
Especially the nativity about Roberts after the massive leak is out.
Normalcy bias. Almost nobody accepts the severity of the situation we're in.
He's not debating in good faith. He's just making excuses.
It doesn't make sense? It's all about the money.
@@charisma-hornum-fries Do you mean "naivety"?
The cope with this guy is WAY strong, I mean how plain does destiny have to make it?
Time travel would not change this guy's opinion.
Unbelievable.
"Why would Trump want violence? He wouldn't do that and make himself look bad"... as violence literally happened AND the violence benefitted his goal (delayed the certifications) AND he did nothing to stop it until it was clear his plan failed. This coping MAGA argument is the same as saying:
"Why would a mother EVER murder her own child? She gave BIRTH to it. She NURTURED it. A child is the most PRECIOUS thing in the world. Are you saying children aren't precious? Are you saying mothers don't love their children unconditionally? You are a terrible person for doubting the love of a mother".... as they defend Casey Anthony. They've completely forgotten the MAIN POINT of it all because they are too wrapped up in their alternate reality built by mental gymnastics and deliberate ignorance
Welcome to cognitive dissonance. It's not that they love Trump that much, it's they literally cannot handle the idea that they are wrong.
Some people will literally claim a criminal to be innocent all the way to the bank, because they somehow can't comprehend that he lied.
The part where he said " i dont think trump thought they would make it inside the Capitol" drive me nuts. Trump absolutely knew. There was a meeting on Jan 5th with Roger stone, MTG, proud boys and others about the plan for that day. And there is no freaking way they didn't report back to trump
Inciting a riot to attempt an insurrection is, in fact, criminal.
Yup. Pretty simple really.
And that didn't happen. Evil liars.
@@timmyt1293 Jesus the cope is so pathetic…
@@timmyt1293 your proof is out there somewhere chief. Good luck. There’s more evidence that it was his goal than not.
@@Mogorman87 yeah cope lol. Nice one. Give me one piece of evidence where Trump is explicitly trying to formulate a riot. Just one example, please baby please.
Destiny the justice warrior. What is so sad about Jan 6 is that so much leading up to it and Trumps behaviour on the day itself should be enough for people to not even care about the details. People are so acclimitized to Trumps double standards and madness, that they are willing to overlook obvious things that any decent person would have never accepted just a few years ago.
they all admit to grading him on a curve now and then we have no way of stopping the vicious cycle from repeating because there's no accountability.
Take the 3 worst things Trump does and says every month, and, unironically, you can completely tank any other politician's race.
But, because it's Trump, who's running for PRESIDENT, it's "we take him seriously not literally", it's "he doesn't actually mean" it's "let's just look at his policies" (not even to mention that if you ignore Project 2025 like he wants you to, the policy proposal in his website has 16 pages, while Kamala's has 5000)
The Details are just so much worse. Like this is autocrat stuff
The bar is so low for conservatives right now. Trump has downplayed the importance of everything that makes America great because he thinks everyone is put to get him.
The fake electors is the problem with jan 6th.
The mental gymnastics required by these jokers to defend Trump is amazing. It's so consistent: those who didn't use logic to come to their conclusion can't be argued out of that opinion with actual logic.
I agree, but lets not forget the double standard too. While Trump is given grace for all his bad behavior anything the left does is a 3 alarm fire!
both sides
You can't just say both sides. That doesn't explain anything. You need to learn to explain your position so that it's given weight. Just sayin something like this, is expecting other to fill in your massive blanks.
@@LazyEyePolitics It's a bot
Damn straight!
An inept coup is still a coup. Just because it was done idiotically doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Yep, attempted murder is still a crime.
Aiding and abetting a criminal/crime is also a crime.
Trump is guilty of at least a WILLING dereliction of his duty as President that day. I would guess he's guilty of even worse/more.
it wasn't just the events of that day - this was a sustained weeks long assault. They even had a "war room" set up in the Willard hotel ffs. The commentators in the video are willfully ignorant and the comment section is astoundingly stupid, uninformed.
@@DS_P8 And you're the perfect example of it.
@@tatsunithelennyking2540 a stupid comment free of any facts or arguments. Troll.
@@DS_P8. Yes and the riots of 2020 were much much worse ..
another episode of destiny bringing nothing but facts while everyone talks about what they "think" is happening LOL
Or go into someone's head and make unsubstantiated claims about motive or state of mind lol
@@chomskysfavefivewas your mom clumsy growing up?
@@matthewthompson3830 irrelevant
@@chomskysfavefive That is how laws work, we look at evidence to see what a person is thinking. We don't have a every criminal go "Yeah I did that crime because" No we look at their actions, and other peoples statements. Otherwise you could never prove crimes that require mens rea unless they are stupid and say why.
@@chomskysfavefive Can no one ever discern what someone thinks based on their actions?
destiny kinda dog walked him lol
Seriously
I heard Destiny’s wife left him for a man who pretends to be a woman😂 poor guy
Destiny is a total fruit cake😂 can’t take that dude seriously about anything
Dog walks literally everyone. (Most of the time )
… Really? Tbh this whole debate is made moot when you hear trump literally say we’re gonna March ‘peacefully and patriotically’… No dog walking required 🤷♂️
How destiny doesn't pull his hair out during these talks is beyond me
I can sympathize, but if you want to make *any* headway with these “centrist” or “moderate” types, the people that feel confident sitting on the fence while making no effort to properly learn about a subject while pushing against those more knowledgeable, you have to be incredibly patient. You have to humor their ignorant false equivalencies, the vacuous bumper sticker slogans, and you have an uphill battle explaining under oath testimony, explaining that internal communications are the source/evidence of many of these claims, and the massive volume of evidence due to the shamelessness of those involved.
You are essentially fighting against an entire media ecosystem. Most people don’t understand their own cognitive biases, they don’t even think to account for them, so they aren’t lost. You can help them, you just have to be patient, you have to be compassionate, and you have to be significantly more informed than most pundits.
Because it would make you insane and bald with how often you'd be doing it. This just a new normal.
he can control his emotions as a man should. good on him.
If a Democrat did 10% of what Trump did this dude would be malding non-stop
Hillary Clinton literally to this day denies the Election results of 2016 and incited riots in Seattle and Portland.
No one gave a fuck.
blm riots...dnc riots.... nothing happened
If a democrat did 100% worse than what Trump did you'd hear crickets in the media, would have disappeared from the news cycle in 12 hours.
@@TraceVandal Are you fr? Trump literally tried to coup the gov but dems are still the bad guys in your eyes?
@@TraceVandal Literarily the opposite of truth. Democrats are constantly demonized by propaganda machines, if they actually had legitimate dirt on candidates they would be using it non stop.
Not a single streamer online has done as much legit research on this topic than Destiny.
He’s 100% right about this and everyone should listen. He’s not saying what he thinks, he’s saying what he is seeing.
Totally agree 💯‼️
Show me one quote from Trump that told his any of his followers to break any laws on that day.
I’ll wait
But Trump's far more sociopathic and criminal than he takes into account.
Bitch what??? He's a shill. Hasan buries him
I guess the keyword there is "legit". Who has the authority to decide what research is "legit"? The way you phrase that kinda sounds like you've authorized yourself to make that judgment.
Bro the spouse of a Supreme Court Justice was directly involved with January 6th, what is this guy talking about?
This guy is in deep, deep denial.
Exactly
So deep, isn’t the immunity decision proof enough?
@@lfelssordnry not if you are wilfully ignorant to the facts
How was she “directly involved” ? Are you referencing the flag she had up on her property? If so, you’ll have to explain how she was “directly involved.”
@masonchamberlin8067 I don't bother with people like you. You'll just move the goalposts every time until you're cornered, then you'll just say you don't care. You have absolutely no allegiance to truth, facts, or reality.
Steven is my favorite guest ever
Smart people rule
What? Is Steven the guy who thinks "trial by combat" is just a harmless euphemism?
@@jrasicmark1 steven is destiny and he thinks J6 was treason
"The Supreme Court is Honorable." The denial here is sad. I think all Americans wish it were the case.
I always hear how the Right is “sowing distrust in our institutions” when they criticize the FBI or DOJ from mainstream media and Democrat politicians… but not a peep when the Left criticizes the Supreme Court.. our biases lead us to blind hypocrisy
It's funny to me how often I see this now that the court has a conservative majority for the first time in over 50 years.
It's sad that people like destiny will cry about the supreme court not being neutral but will also claim that there is no way institutions like the fed could also not be neutral.
The supreme court has an all time low approval rating, so its not juat democrats or liberals that dislike them.......@dru70292
@@dru70292
Trump appointed the Fed chairman. The fed members are all millionaire businessmen (like trump). They aren’t democrats
Trump is smart enough to not outright call for violence. He knows how crazy his MAGA supporters are, and what they would be capable of. Him saying he will march with them will only excite them more. It was very calculated.
He did tell them fight like hell or you'll lose your country because would be stolen.
Just like a mob boss, that’s why they had to create new laws to catch mob bosses. They would never directly say they want someone killed, they would imply that it would be nice if that person was no longer around.
It doesn't appear you know much about any MAGA people. Your circle jerk right here seems to be information poor about them. Perhaps you should risk sullying your mind with wrong think to figure out what the average MAGA proponent thinks.
I hear you but he did call them to "Fight like hell"
As for supreme court. They HAVE attacked the constitution, twisting the plain words that states anyone who lends aid or comfort to insurrectionists is NOT ELIGIBLE TO HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE.
SCOTUS is currently a joke. It should be a source of shame that nationals of other countries know the names of Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Kavanaugh, Conan Barratt. Utterly shameful.
Im honestly kind of ambivalent about Destiny overall, but he is pretty dead to rights and well informed and researched on Trump trying to steal an election.
Destiny has some braindead leftist takes. But hearing him describe the story and evidence step-by-step and reviewing the courtroom docs and tweets myself... you'd have to be willfully ignorant to think what Trump did wasn't shady AF.
I wish Pence or another Republican would take over the GOP.
The most informed and researched Internet personality as far as I’ve seen.
Nah he just hates Trump. Pretty sure he’s being paid just like the Karassensteins to push the anti Trump rhetoric.
No he isn't. He's completely wrong and trying to fit circles into triangular openings.
@@timmyt1293 lethal levels of cope
This video should be called "Destiny explains what really happened to some guy."
“You’re too far gone”
My guy, you’re the one doing mental gymnastics to give Trump the most charitably possible to not hold him at least somewhat accountable for what happened that day.
sure, what did he do?
no he did not incite an insurrection. he literally tried to get the national guard involved to make sure that location was safe. Pelosi didn't want that.
Don't believe me?
cha.house.gov/2024/9/transcripts-show-president-trump-s-directives-to-pentagon-leadership-to-keep-january-6-safe-were-deliberately-ignored
here you go.
people riot for things they care about and find justifiable to riot for. is it an unfortunate fact of human nature? yes. but it still happens. There is no such discourse about the accountability of the actions of those who rioted for black lives matter riots because those issues were “politically correct”. black lives matter resulted in 2 billion in damage and 30+ lives lost and nobody talks about it. but it’s cool to call trump a dictator and insurrectionist for speaking passionately about what he cares about and what he thinks is wrong about our system the same way people rioted over the issues they cared about with racism in america
Jan 6th took place in a time where people were losing jobs bc they didn’t want to be forcibly vaccinated and the world was shutdown and lies upon lies were spread about covid and the scared process of voting was suddenly changed because of the pandemic. people were fed up and were standing up for the wrongs they felt were unacceptable
Ya this wasn't a debate at all. He was just laying up points for Steven to knock down and explain everything. Well done on both sides. Unlike Dave Smith who's too scared to talk to Steve.
It’s very sad that Dave Smith is such s terrified grifter that he refuses to *talk* to Destiny because he knows he can’t keep up. Dave is an agoraphobic dog terrified of being walked
The host is way off on the Supreme Court. They voted to give Trump immunity from basically anything... how can you not think they are beholden to Trump? WTF?
It would have never been necessary if the Democrats hadn't lost their damned minds and went after a defeated incumbent President. That tradition had served us well for centuries, it left open the possibility of doing so in the case of the truly egregious.then the petty vindictiveness of the Dems presumably still angry that Trump had the temerity to win an election that Hillary had clearly called dibs on (BTW have they stopped denying that election yet?) Decided to make a mountain out of a molehill and thus the codification of the old tradition that now sets a legal standard that must be met beforehand. Nice going Dems. I tell you that party does not have a single shred of foresight. no matter how seemingly obvious an outcome is, they always seem surprised when it happens. How can a group capable of such devilishly effective voting tactic be so lacking in the ability to see the logical next step of any action? One of the reasons that it is essential that they lose this election is to repudiate their tactics. If not repudiated, they will be come fair game and all too common use. Do we really want all of our national candidates to have to dodge through a plethora of dubious charges while being silenced by judges (as fun as some direct payback would be is is unspeakably bad for our nation and dare I say it, the democratic traditions upon which this nation's governance rests).
Almost as bad as Destiny vs Kim Iverson.
oof that was bad, "Is poutine a dictator? I wouldnt know Im not russian" 💀💀
It's the timing that's implicates Trump. He knew when the Congress was being evacuated because he heard it on the TV he was watching. Then he starts calling Congress on the phone after he knew the "pressure was on" the members of Congress because of the mop he led down Pennsylvania Ave...
And he did not call for reinforcements
Destiny is 100% right. Jan 6 was ALWAYS supposed to be violent. This traitor should never have been allowed to run. He should be in prison.
Especially right considering everything in context, instead of looking back at it and cherry picking specifically looking for the word violence used. Mfers literally said "fight for your country" to a crowd *they* riled up that largely brought supplies, gear, and guns specifically for action.
It was clear then and clear now.
Key aspect: the rally organizer only applied for a protest at the Ellipse. National Park Services directly asked the organizer if they wanted to validate other locations/activity and directly asked about the Capitol. The organizer said no, only the Ellipse. She later texted Mike Lindell: "This stays only between us, we are having a second stage at the Supreme Court again after the ellipse. POTUS is going to have us march there/the Capitol ... It can also not get out about the march because I will be in trouble with the national park service and all the agencies but POTUS is going to just call for it 'unexpectedly,'"
@@DallaS.88 thanks for reminding everyone.
The fake Electors scheme was PROOF there was criminal intent… They were told since mid November that Mike Pence would not “throw it back to the states” on Jan 6th so the fake electors could cheat America out of our votes…
I think it is likely he wanted violence, or at least was complicit once it started, but I don’t get why he would order 10k national guard which was denied if that was his goal.
So happy you had him on again.
Why do people believe Trump is such a good guy who wouldn't do these horrible things, where does this opinion of him even come from?
They don't believe he's a good guy. They believe he's a bad guy who will hurt people who are in their way
@@peterjermey7235 I agree there are people that think that but I don't think these guys do
No they like him because he's loudly not a good guy
I don't think Trump is a good guy at all. But I'd rather him run the country than Kamala or Joe. I just really don't like the Democratic party anymore. And I used to be a Democrat. I think they have changed in many ways. I don't like either party or Trump. For me, it's more about what I don't like more.
@@miketaylor9623 what do you think is better about Trump (by your own admission a bad guy) than Kamala?
Not sure why Destiny was even willing to speak with people so absolutely clueless about the facts.
Mr Borrelli is really speaking soundly on the subject. I always trust the insight of Mr Borelle. Where would we be without the voice of Mr. Morelli? Truly.
Yea he even takes proven liars testimony as fact anyone who takes this clown seriously deserves everything they have and I am willing to bet it's more then 0 mental illnesses
Mr. Borshelli is a woman's name
😂😂😂😂😂
Mr. Spaghetti, stop trying to change the sauce.
Ehhh, Mr Bocelli 😂 I don’t agree with Destiny’s take on Israel but that debate was hilarious.
About the Israel take, he’s kind of hanging on to some logical technicalities that sure, you could hang an argument on but only at the expense of compassion.
Giuliani is saying that he needs 10 days, and that he will never get those 10 days if they don't go to the Capitol and stop the certification. Clearly, obviously.
It amaze me that ppl have been convicted of insurrection but still ppl call it a riot???
NO ONE has been convicted of insurrection or rebellion under federal criminal code 18 USC 2383 in conjunction with the Jan. 6 riots. The most severe felony conviction was that under 18 USC 2384 "Seditious Conspiracy." For what it is worth, Trump has not been charged with that crime either. That's something else people here might want to consider. Rather than yapping about what does or does not qualify as insurrection, why don't you focus on proving the specific crimes Trump is actually charged with. Because what "amazes me" is the number of people who apparently think Trump can be convicted of a crime for which he is NOT INDICTED. Not going to happen, folks.
Yeah, the softening of the language against these traitors is historically on brand for the US.
The way many talk about the Confederacy and the Civil War they launched and lost is a prime example.
People keep saying “I don’t think this could actually ever happen”, ignoring the fact that it has happened many times in history.
I don’t even like destiny but he’s 100% right. You guys are making excuses for seditious behavior if we’re being intellectually honest here
I hate these burned-in AI generated subtitles. Worse than having no subtitles.
You're supposed to listen to these things, not watch.
@@Comisioned Who asked?
Not for deaf people
@@Comisioned What about deaf people?
As a non-native speaker who is pretty good, but nowhere near fluent with english, they are a godsend.
It was criminal dereliction of duty. He swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. A key part of the Constitution was being implemented by Congress at that time.
This guy is assuming Trump and his cronies were acting rationally. That is his biggest mistake.
Claiming that Trump is not intellectually capable of such planning isn’t the defense they think it is.
Did this guy actually say he thought the Supreme Court were honerable and honest? The cope!
Yeah, I looked up in shock when I heard that from across the room. The rotten SC justices are Christian Right fanatics; they want the U.S. to be a Christian nation with no leeway for those who aren't believers in that religion.
I was just watching the last episode that featured Mr. Bonerelli, and just as it's done, this drops. Uh-mazing!
Boner
even when they cut the video, this dude is so weak and wrong on trump. Destiny is 100% right.
Also, there's no law which fixes the SCOTUS to 9. The constitution allows Congress to set the number of justices.
False. The number of Supreme Court justices was set at nine by chapter 22 of the Judiciary Act of 1869 on April 10 of that year in the first session of the 41st Congress. It was signed into law by President Grant and the number of associate justices has not been changed in the years since its adoption. The law is part of the "US Statutes at Large" and is cited as "16 Stat. 44." In other words, Congress has fixed the CURRENT membership of the Supreme Court at nine associate justices and may choose to raise or lower that number under its Article III Constitutional authority at any time it chooses, but has elected NOT to do so for the past 155 years. But, yes. The law exists.
The moderator hosting Destiny has zero clue and you can tell he
Will blindly follow his dear leader.
When Destiny pointed out all the knives that were confiscated from the attackers at January 6th, all i could think of is 'hey, isnt that what the Blackshirts did?'
Yeah, that's terrifying
Also, allegedly, there were guns stashed away in a hotel nearby, there were guns stashed in a boat across the Potomac river, and there were guns stashed in a van outside the city limits ... all waiting for the order to deliver them.
These people actually saw themselves as starting their own "Revolutionary War 2.0" and they were going to be the "New Founding Fathers and Mothers"
That was clipped in away that makes it look like he said “peacefully” at the end of the speech. He said “peacefully” 10mins into a 1:10min speech
That was quite the cope from the host, destiny broke it down in fine detail and yet his argument was simply that in simple terms “ITS NOT A BIG DEAL YOU’RE MAKING OUT TO BE BECAUSE THE GUARDRAILS HELD” That is completely ludicrous
Same insane BS argument Ben Shapiro made. “Oh well he couldn’t do it this time”. Ok but the fact he even tried is alarming right?
And even the guardrails absolutely did not hold. Mike Pence held, that one time. Steven makes that abundandly clear and even spells it out literally in this conversation.
@@AJ-FL the best predictors of future behavior are past behavior. Trump hasn’t changed & won’t. If he loses again it’ll be 2020 cope fest all over again only this time I fear Trump & the MAGA mob will go full unhinged.
Destiny is so BASED
Forgot the I before the A.
@@michaelturley8222 you’re right. He has an opinion that maga sucks. But everyone sane will believe the same thing once informed of all the facts. Destiny cites his arguments and live streams his research, so I’d like you to try and fact check him. :)
@@meekamikamocha not true. He constantly uses his opinion of what Trump must’ve been hoping for, thinking, responsible to do. It’s constant opinion. That’s why he got dog walked and backed down when he debated Shapiro. I was actually starting to believe Destiny’s narrative about J6 before that debate because the people he debated before that looked so dumb, but he basically admitted he was wrong when Ben pushed him, and moved the debate from legal to moral, basically communicating “okay, fine it wasn’t illegal, I’ll admit it, but isn’t Trump so bad!”
Another example of the clear bias. I’ve followed politics for 20 years, the first time I’ve ever heard fight to be taken literally was Trumps speech. Like I said, he’s biased. And anyone that’s actually not insane knows the threat of the progressive left and their impact on culture (primarily how theyve pushed identity politics so viciously and dishonestly that it’s led to the worst division on identity lines that we’ve had since the 90s R King riots and OJ case) far outweighs the damage of the MAGA movement, especially considering that movement was a reaction to the left’s destruction of our society and norms and constant painting of republicans as demons. So if you do think they’re a threat, which they’re objectively not as we saw even on their worst day there was 2,000 willing to even get remotely unlawful, you should focus on the cause of that “threat” and take a look at the left. Isn’t that what we’re always asked to do when reflecting on the high murder rate of black men? The cause of those problems? Which I actually agree with, but let’s keep that same energy and focus on the real problem in this country, which is objectively the left to anyone without a severely limited perspective or capability to be honest because of their succesful brainwashing by the left.
Nice try though.
@@michaelturley8222 yo, I ain’t reading all of that. You lost me with the Ben Shapiro debate reference. 🤷🏼♀️
@@meekamikamocha lol it’s okay I don’t expect any honor from a liberal 😘 hilarious you say lost me at ben when destiny literally admits ben is right in the debate lmao unreal
ending on that last line is hilarious. Trump has not only gotten away with some of the most worst crimes, he's potentially going back to the white house.
Well, perhaps democrats should have allowed people to actually primary in a competent opposition to trump. Instead we have a diversity hire idiot that nobody voted for as the other choice. Likely, trump beats her, and democrats have nobody to blame but themselves.
One thing Destiny leaves out is that standard procedure for Mike Pence's SS detail would be ,get him the hell out of the Capital. That is why Pence REFUSED to get in his car when in the tunnels. He knew that if he got in that car, he would have been driven away, and the Certification would not happen. The violence was the backup plan, if Pence "Fails to do what is right".
Great Point, Destiny should have said the crowd wouldn't have attacked if Pence didn't certify. When Certification started and Pence didn't His 2:24pm tweet told his pit bulls to attack telling the crowd he didn't do what's right is what incited the riot.
"The capitol is the most protected building in the world." Just... no. Why would it be?
I know it's very frustrating how people just invent things like this because they don't actually pay attention.
It's like all the people saying there where no assassination attempts on Obama, Biden, or W Bush.
That struck me too. Like he'd never really set foot in it.
These two hosts that are like "yea it was bad, but I'm still voting for him" while simultaneously saying Destiny is "too far gone", is WILD!!!!
Romans 1:32 . These two clowns got pleasure out of j-6 .
“i dont think Trump could have believed he could change the presidency will violence”
The amount of cope is crazy
Destiny again woooooo
This was especially fun to watch after reading Jack Smith's incriminating 165-page doc.
Dude, learn about the Proud Boys. Learn about, “Stand back and stand by.” Stop saying, “No one could imagine…”
He did not just say to destiny after not proving even one point he made, having to give in to destiny at every turn, says, YOU ARE TOO FAR GONE ON THIS? BRO. BROOOOOOO. Everything you guys say is actually a projection. The slogan is real
Of course he did. Even if you make an argument that he didn't, which I don't think you can, his actions after violence started shows that at the very minimum he was happy with how things had turned out, and saw it as an opportunity to possibly get what he wanted. Is that really any better?
And let's even be more charitable and say that Trump was appalled at what was happening, and he froze up from shock or fear because of what was happening ... THAT alone is enough to never let him anywhere near the Presidency ever again.
That is why he told everyone to protest "peacefully." You don't use that word if that is not your intent. Lets just apply some logic here. Trump's goal was to not have the votes get certified. What good did he think it would have done if his supporters broke into the Capitol, wrecked property, and assaulted police officers? Are you really dumb enough to believe that Trump thought that would actually save his chances? Nonsense.
He was not happy with the way things turned out. The reason he did not call it off earlier is because he knows once he would have done that it would have ended any hope left of stopping the vote certification. So he was hoping the people would have gotten out of the Capitol and the protest could still go on outside. It eventually got to a point where he had to say something though because it had gone on for too long. Not to mention, it would have been highly embarrassing for him to have to publically call off the riot, which he knew people were going to blame him for. Yes, he was wrong for not stopping it sooner. I am not defending his actions AFTER the Capitol was already broke into. But it absolutely was never his intent for that to actually happen.
When he says "i know a lot of people who are in denial", that would have been a good spot for Destiny to ro say " yes, I'm talking to one right now*.
Roberts knew about Alito's flag before the public. He only took the opinion away from Alito when the public knew. Roberts is not honorable.
Also his immunity opinion contains two deceptions in my opinion. It starts with a reference to federalist 70. That paper mentions nothing about immunity to support a singular president. It had a series of arguments supporting having one person be president instead of multiple people. I'm not a lawyer so maybe I'm interpreting it wrong. If I'm right though, Roberts should have pointed out the paper was missing that argument then gone on to explain why it is needed. He leaves it to the reader to either look it up or infer it has immunity in it. Also when addressing the dissenting opinions, he never responded to Fitzgerald being civil not criminal and the fact that it explicitly states multiple times the president would not be immune and could be tried if it was a criminal case. Roberts was being deceptive. Whatever his reason for lying, he thought it was more important than the rule of law.
today on Destiny tries to educate a 1st grader
Edit: the original comment said fifth grader but then I kept watching.
why did you continue to fight on first degree, after he clarified 2nd degree reckless indifference? and then you acted as if he wasn't understanding your argument when it was clearly the other way around
sad
Why did he draw a crowd on that date and say “it’ll be wild?” This was a planned coup attempt. The final act was intimidation OR failing that revenge.
People had permits to protest there days before Trump even got there. Coups don't happen through riots lol. Using mass institutions, weaponizing the FBI and the news in order to rig an election, is a coup however
The riot is not even the bad part. The bad part was trying to legitimize false electorates to circumvent the vote.
Because Trump is an egotist and gets a "wild" thrill from the idea of thousands of people gathering on his behalf, the louder and more extreme their support for him, the "wilder".
If you think J6 was a coup, you're either a painfully naive and ignorant, or you're a partisan hack. Anyone with a decent grasp of human nature and a basic understanding of historical insurrections will immediately flag the conspicuous lack of an organized rifle squad as instantly disqualifying J6 from being a coup attempt.
And, by the way, the top government official (Nancy Pelosi) was NOT intimidated by J6. In fact, there's a recording of her relishing the capitol breach, which she viewed as political ammunition with which to impeach Trump (which indeed happened a week later).
They tried to pressure Pence into not even showing up that day so Chuck Grassley could do their bidding and they had set up an off-site, undercover "war room" at the Willard Hotel... how many incriminating details are necessary for these ignorant, lazy fools to understand what was happening?
The only explanation i have for why people would doubt trump incited an insurrection is they love trump. They've been deranged by him and only see him in a good light.
Or maybe there's 0 concrete evidence of Trump making any attempt to incite an insurrection?? Destiny is literally just going off of a fantasy version of Trump that schemes and plots interestingly similar to how destiny himself schemes and plots 🤣🤣. It's actually just projection 🤣🤣🤣
@@timmyt1293 oh hey look its a trump lover everything he said is 100% verifiable and there is tons of evidence
@@timmyt1293what part of his argument is "fantasy"
@@suoerman42 that instead of trying to overturn an election he was trying to overthrow the government
@@timmyt1293 You are embarrassing yourself all over the comments section.
Everything you can't imagine ever happening either did already happen or will happen. It's irresponsible to look away and act like Trump is not a future dictator. This is not rethoric, it's reality.
It's not just Trump either. The Republican Party, by allowing Trump to get away with so much, have established that this is the direction that any of them are willing to take to keep or gain power going forward.
Alternative title, is a grrifting career criminal still a criminal?
he puts too much faith in the "people"... destiny is totally right
I'm not sure how "let's have trial by combat" means lets combat in court??? lmao😂
If Rudy meant, let's present our cases in court and duke it out there, then wouldn't he say "lets have a trial and present our evidence to combat the lies/fraud/etc..."??
This guy's set of facts are EMBARRASSING 💀 Destiny's researche GAPED this man
Why are we always trying to interpret his words? Is he really that bad at communicating his thoughts?
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Uhh... YES. HellOWE
Not really. Some do it in good faith because they are I'll informed or plain naïve others do it with full intent to be deceptive.
Yes. I watched him do it on live television with my own lying eyes.
I used to hate Destiny. But he laid this out really well.
Its pretty obvious anyone who supports a traitor should be considered a traitor.
@@CCC-V3 Yep.
True, nearly half of the US are traitors, sadly ... again.
There is no law stipulating the number of supreme court justices.
Facts.
False. The number of Supreme Court justices was set at nine by chapter 22 of the Judiciary Act of 1869 on April 10 of that year in the first session of the 41st Congress. It was signed into law by President Grant and the number of associate justices has not been changed in the years since its adoption. The law is part of the "US Statutes at Large" and is cited as "16 Stat. 44."
This guy saying the Supreme Court is a respected and trustworthy group. With high approval. What planet is he on? I believe. I believe. I believe. Well you believe WRONG. Google John Robert's Trump. Read the newest news there. To say Robert's isn't maga with a straight face means, I have no idea what I'm talking about
@@LarryK-jg6iwyou are twisting facts. How many justices were there under Lincoln? Let me help you. 10. There was 10. There is no law saying there must be 9. However, since that year in the 1800s it hasn't changed, even though before that, it fluctuated all the time. It's just tradition now. But Roe was tradition and precedent as well. And we see how much that's respected by you. So no. There is no law saying there must be 9. There has been 9 since yes. But not because of any law. Your turn.
@@LazyEyePolitics What the hell is wrong with you? Just look the damn thing UP! Wikipedia is your friend. The number of justices of the Supreme Court was EXPANDED to 10 by Congress under the Tent Circuit Act of 1863 (12 Stat. 794) and signed into law by President Lincoln on March 3, 1863. Days later, Lincoln nominated California Supreme Court Justice Stephen J. Field to the new seat and Field would go on to be the longest serving associate justice of the Court until William O. Douglas set the new record.
But Field would only be the TENTH member of the Court for less than a decade.
Following Lincoln's assassination in 1865, Congress passed the Judicial Circuits Act of 1866 (ch. 210, 14 Stat. 209) which, in addition to redrawing the geographical circuit boundaries, provided for the gradual reduction in the number of seats on the Supreme Court from the ten that had been authorized in 1863 to seven!! This Act was signed into law by President Johnson in July of 1866.
From Wiki: "As it happened, only two seats, those of John Catron and James Moore Wayne, were abolished during the brief three-year interval of the Act's efficacy, before being superseded by the Judiciary Act of 1869."
Here is what you and a bunch of other amateurs keep missing. Congress can set the number of Supreme Court justices to whatever it wants and at any time it wants. And they have. But whenever they do so, IT IS UNDENIABLY A MATTER OF LAW!!! They pass a LAW! The President SIGNS THE LAW! Whatever role "tradition" may play, the NUMERICAL COMPOSITION OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF LAW. Information encased in parentheses, i.e. (ch. 210, 14 Stat. 209) is a LEGAL CITATION where you can actually find the law. The legal citation to the CURRENT LAW setting the numerical composition of the Supreme Court, which not so coincidentally happens to STILL be the Judiciary Act of 1869, is (ch. 22, 16 Stat. 44). Don't believe me? Go ask a lawyer.
Noam is bending so far backwards he is folding in half.
"Conservatives have no priciples, and Liberals have no spine." I heard this recently, and I think it perfectly sums up the frustrations of progressives.
I am surprised Destiny didn't say anything about how Trump put Dejoy over the post office to disrupt the mail-in ballots.
This old guy is living in a dream world.... destiny is 100% correct here.
If Gulianni didn’t mean violence when he said “trial by combat,” then what did he mean?
The mental trial by combat. Unfortunately, most maga come unarmed….😂😂😂
@@nametakenstill8968 I was about to say, “wtf do you mean unarmed?!” Then I got it. Lol
@@nametakenstill8968 A riot isn't defined by most people. wtf?
“I demand trial by combat.”
*draws sword*
“No I meant like counting ballots.”
Noam, why are you giving #45 so much latitude? #45 claims he is a victim, while he is really the perpetrator. It is time for you to "get real."
The denial and mental contortions you have to make to not see what DFG intended is pretty amazing. The host is delusional.
I think this guy was on before, but I don't really remember it. This time, wow, this has been a great episode, I didn't know ANY of this!
Destiny has done a lot of research for Jan 6 and put together a few videos/debates on YT. Would highly recommend watching it, it's crazy how bad this situation really is and Trump's orchestration of it.
Imagine I'm having a heated verbal argument with a guy, turn to my friend, and say, "take care of this guy!" I then watch as my friend physically assaults the guy for several minutes (hours maybe). Would it be reasonable for an observer to conclude that my intent was violence? What if I say, "peacefully take care of this guy!" Then I watch as the violence happens. Would it still be reasonable to conclude I intended violence? I could explain later that I meant "peacefully" or "verbally agree with my position in this argument." Would any excuse matter if you watched me watch my friend commit the violence at my request while I made no attempt to intervene? I say that it is reasonable to assume my intent was violence.
The amount of people who think that this is a debate and not know get how devils advocate works is actually embarrassing.
To call anyone who voted for Citizens United a patriot is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.
The reality is that Trump doesn’t have to intend violence or literally call for violence to be largely responsible for the violence that broke out.
Steven 'Destiny' Bonnell: Republican parents of his fans hate him
Destiny is SPOT ON with his take on this.
destiny is my favorite sperg
Noam you are way behind on your understanding of SCOTUS. Not patriots.
Good grief, calling the supreme court conservatives patriots is the nonsense upon stilts. Take your blinders off.
The supreme court would 100% have let an overturning of the election stand. This court is all about saying they're going to be hands off for things they claim are the exclusive purview of other branches (see the immunity decision, at a minimum) when it gets them a result they want. "Who are we to overrule the decision of the legislature or to determine there was undue pressure?"
Plus, they essentially gave the President the powers of a King/Emperor/Dictator to try and save Trump from being prosecuted and found guilty of his crimes.
Destinys 100% correct these guys are being willfully ignorant.
The Comedy Cellar/Destiny convos are really underrated. I love the back-and-forth between Steven and Noam.
Destiny is right on this one.
14:40 - He can't fathom that cults have no common sense. Also, he's in denial - his brain cannot make the leap that sometimes people want to be kings.
"THE SUPREME COURT IS HONORABLE"!! I SPIT OUT MY COFFEE, PISSED MY PANTS AND COULDNT STOP LAUGHING FOR A MINUTE!!!😂😂😂😂
“A raucous demonstration “
Sure….
A lot of people who never watched an election found out that cities take longer to count, in 2020.... It was the biggest civics lesson of all time and the biggest self report of all time.
Your idea of what isn't criminal is faulty. To incite a mob to violence and to refuse to do what one can to stop it - is criminal.
True. Trump basically incited an insurrection and then aided and abetted them by doing nothing within his powers as President (or even as a concerned citizen who knew a crime was taking place) to stop them.
Then to add insult to injury, the fucker stole a small library full of secret documents while leaving the country in shambles over the confusion he intentionally caused.
And the topper now is him running for President again because he doesn't want to go to jail for the rest of his life and he wants to punish the people who caught and exposed his criming.
Thank you. How do people justify that Trump did nothing for three hours?
He did not incite a mob to storm the Capitol. Incitement needs to be intentional. There wa sno intention he had for his supporters to storm the Capitol. That is dumb.