same here, out of all the characters in MWII, Graves was my favorite character it is a shame you had to kill him due to Graves just following his orders from Shepherd
What I like about this is that Graves was following orders and Shepherd was responsible for the entire thing. Price tried to ask Shepherd kindly to call off Graves but he refused. So Price and his allies had to resort to killing Graves to help Alejandro get his HQ back. I like how Graves and Soap are cracking jokes and being sarcastic in a friendly way as they try to kill each other.
I lowkey feel like they’re gonna do a “gotcha” and graves is gonna be alive. He was too calm during that tank battle I feel like he drone operated that tank somehow or had someone else man the tank
@@clan_boyd kinda hard translating it to english as… it follows english structure, so it makes absolute sense in english, but it doesn’t work in spanish. I don’t know how else to describe it.
@@clan_boyd he basically spoke extremely broken Spanish on purpose to mock Rudy. Pretty much making fun of Rudy's group Los Vaqueros saying they were trash and that he shouldn't trust them etc. I C4red his ass so fast after that whole speech.
@@CrustyMuffinsify he was kinda making fun of the language in general like in Las almas when him and shadow company were going around killing civilians and cartel members alongwith corrupt cops looking for soap and ghost mocking their language that shit was still funny 😂😂
@@ununicorniocon2gbderam787 I don't think it's an insult. I think it's a... weird compliment. I _think_ he's saying that his aim is good. I'm not sure whose aim he's referring to.
Let's be honest of ghost didn't worry about soap the campaign would've ended a lot differently and it would've been much more violent. Ghost could've went against them all on his own i feel.
I doubt Graves is actually dead, it was such an anticlimactic death. He could have just been using the tank remotely, we don't even see him killed in a cutscene. It just happens and we move on. Graves was too cool to simply just kill off like that, I expect him to return, either as a future antagonist or switching sides.
Yeah I believed he's controlling the tank remotely. There's no way in hell he's in that tank alone then drives and even shoots at you all at the same time, unless if he got his men operating with him inside the tank.
@@animeliam9697 to that extent it could have just been exclusively his men operating it while graves is talking over the radio as he escapes to buy time
Yeah, they didnt seem to bother checking if he’s dead, any confirmation. Just assumed he’s in the tank, dead from the explosion. Theres a chance it is a remote controlled tank. They killed him off a little too easy there.
Love the silent exchange between Ghost and Soap just before sh*t kicked off ... Ghost's elbow to the face of that unfortunate soldier (unfortunate cuz he had no idea the hurt that was coming) and the knife throw.
It seemed like a really cheap death tbh. I expected some cutscene after you disable the tank, but instead it just blows up. And in his dialogue as you’re throwing c4 at the tank he doesn’t even react to it. Just keeps monologuing till he dies.
I like how you can hear how nervous Graves is when he thinks he's got Ghost cornered on the road. He respects his skills and still doesn't underestimate him even when he thinks he has the advantage
The betrayal hits hard because we were high fiveing and calling us brother just one minute ago and then bam. But also I love the parallels between the cartel and shadow company how at the end they're guns for hire waging a secret war.
Soap: "You made your own little army because you can't hack it in a real one!" That was a sick burn. However, most armies if not all of them (nowadays) are just used to clean up some politician's mess. I highly doubt in our reality, a bunch of high speed Tier One guys are going to go out of their way to do exactly what TF 141 did in these games. Side note: in NO way am I being anti military or anything like that, it does leave a bad feeling in my gut that good men and women are being used for someone else's political agenda. The so called "War on Terror" is a great example of many years wasted.... especially when it was planned by our own government (US Government). For those still saying it's a conspiracy theory... it's definitely not. At least 30 Navy SEALs were killed for figuring out the truth (Extortion 17).
After thinking about it, I feel like Graves is still very much alive, like all the red flags of a character """death""" is there, the lack of corpse and his plot importance is setting it off already, and remember Roach still hasn't made a comeback so what if, Graves is actually Roach? I mean think about it, if he survived that mission by the skin of his teeth he is gonna need a new name, and Roach is a pretty fitting name for that, and Graves looked up to Ghost, so imagine the confrontation in MWIII where Ghost and Roach fights each other in a one versus one, it would be pretty damn tragic since OG Ghost and Roach were implied to be close or just comrades at arms, so yeah I don't think we have seen the last of him, I didn't see no corpse, and golden rule is that if there isn't, good chance they are still alive.
It's possible he's still alive but I don't know if he's gonna be Roach. I miss Roach too, but Roach was a blank slate player character with no dialogue, the reason he isn't in the remake is probably of that plus you already had to track too many friendly characters on the battlefield. Price, Soap, Ghost, Gaz, Alejandro, Rudy, Laswell, Graves, Fara, etc. I also miss that Foley, Dunn, and Ramirez aren't back, I get that it didn't make sense from a story perspective, but sometimes being a regular grunt instead of a special forces ultimate murder machine is good too
What I don’t like too much is that it’s always the shepherds in these games that betray you and it’s always easy to predict. Salazar betraying us in blops 2 was so unexpected and such a good twist, I feel like those types of betrayals from people who aren’t our commanding officers are harder to telegraph and more realistic
Main thing about this game is because of the earlier modern warfare games we knew Shepherd was going to betray us which takes the shock effect away kinda makes me wish the story was a bit different and somebody else betrayed us instead of shepherd
@@olivia3779 Seems like a general new rule of thumb; the devs think the main FPS protagonists we control are usually the least interesting, and therefore not worth revisiting, but fucsake, Soap turned out to be a pretty kickass exception, why can't Roach have at least a moment of raising an eyebrow on-screen?
The final fight with graves felt so anticlimactic for such an interesting secondary antognist tbh. He had no death lines and you don't even get to really see him
He’s most likely not dead think about the world they occupy with how advanced their tech is he wouldn’t have to get in the tank to control it not to mention he never reacts to any of the damage being taken and you never see a body every red flag is there
@@DarthRevan823 Yeah the whole time when the camera was panning to the tank I thought we'd see his charred body hanging out of the tank but no. Makes me think Graves is coming back later on.
Graves isn’t dead. I’d put money on it. He’s coming back. He’s got way too much potential as a character. I’m really glad they added him into the game. Great character!
i felt like if he had given more leeway in the flashback mission (he asked Shepherd if he could send backup to his team that's carrying the missiles) Hassan wouldn't get the missile but noooo Shepherd 'we work with what we got' just had to have the final say
The thing I like most about this isn’t even the initial cutscene or the action that follows it. I love the stealth mission that follows Soap’s escape. You can hear snippets of the conversation the Shadows are having. You can hear that, despite the fact that they heavily outnumber Soap and Ghost, they are still scared to death of the two of them. It goes to show you just how skilled the 141 is
Really wished they could give graves a fight scene with soap or ghost where he rams the tank almost hitting them and jumps out before it explodes. Both are injured and struggling to kill one another via combat, knifing, near death moments. Just when Graves had the higher up and was about to finish Soap or Ghost off, SUDDENLY a handgun pointed on the back of Graves head. “See you in hell Pendejos. ” BAM!!! A clean shot through the skull out of the forehead dropping him cold.
As a former army paratrooper I can tell u that game gets my blood boiling because it is loosely based in fact and symbolically its exactly like real life experiences as an elite soldier w a curious mind!
@@Bat-Kaled bare w me I've been drinking. But what my dumb drunk ass was attempting highlight was the ever changing battlefield and the conflict of interests that we experience in real life. Ptsd is typically due to moral conflict. I haven't played that game, only watched it on yt...but what I've seen, it does a good job of representing those moral conflicts as well as how the enemy and battlefield is always evolving at the higher levels.
I love that price is more angry about losing a good cigar rather than being shot down. What a fucking englishmen price is. Well so is ghost and soap. Everyone in the SAS
Graves cares about his men with they were ambushed by the Russians and Shepherd told him to screw them. That alone makes me think Graves choose the wrong side to work with. Graves could’ve help the 141 take him down.
This different timeline has been cool but I think they want to keep the general morality of the characters the same but change parts of their personality as well as the situations so it’s not just the same story but rehashed a decade later
The reason I think Graves is not dead, simply put, is that during the dialogue when ever c4 explodes on the tank. Graves monologue isn't interrupted at all. So far in most COD games when a Antagonist is doing their dialogue injuring them that stops the dialogue. Small detail but Important distinguishment.
just a hint for other people playing this mission. I played it on hard mode so i had to get creative. You can predict the tanks movements and just put the c4 on the road and get to cover so that bastard can't shoot you while you blow him up
Graves isn't actually dead, because even if the tank wasn't drone controlled, he would've waited for 141 to leave and presume him dead before crawling out the escape hatch that all tanks have at the bottom. the latter case would likely mean graves would return with some burn scars and/or disfigurements. he'd cover his face with some kind of mask (possibly a respirator setup if his lungs were damaged) and be like an anti-ghost character. similar to Darth Vader and cobra commander.
But the tank exploded It’s turret popped off which means the ammo detonated and the pressure was great enough to pop the turret off Meaning anyone inside would be turned to jelly
@@cowerdnerddespacito9518 that just means that the tank was more likely to be a drone, in which case he was in an underground bunker with the rest of Shadow company seeing what 141 was and wasn't capable of. again, even if it wasn't, dude saw the explosion coming and popped the escape hatch at the last second, sustaining a combination of shrapnel wounds and 3rd degree burns while still barely surviving enough to eventually don his breathing mask when Shepard picks him up and revives him. COD version of the Darth Vader story arc, possibly even with him killing Shepard in the end. no body = still alive
I like how the changes the things we hated about the og with ghost going for his rifle on extreme close quarters whereas now he just kills everyone with his knife
I feel like graves wasn't even in the tank the entire time, his dialog doesnt revolve around being in it and he doesn't react to the hull being blown apart by the c4, and he says his options were "flee or win", and he doesn't reveal which one he chose
I love how Graves name in the subtitle change color from blue to red when he said General Shepherd sends his regards indicating they just turn to enemy.
Graves was just an ambitious charismatic tool that shepherd used. In this timeline he cuda been a part of TF141. Think about it. Shepherd was trying to cover this up the whole time and was thinking enough shadow company cud take out ghost soap and alejandro.hold the hq down and kill everyone else who knew about this. Award Grace's the HQ and keep it going.
I really wish they made a cut scene of Graves crawling out then you execute him. Just the tank blowing up was kinda anti climactic for the betrayal he did
Graves is the best new character they added and it's so unfortunate they carved him out as a bad guy when he was literally only following his orders. I think MW4 should give him a hero position for once. He deserves it.
Graves id definitely my favourite antagonist from this game. They made him go from likeable to hateable in just one mission. Kinda makes me sad because right before that, he and Soap did a wholesome bro handshake after defusing the missile
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your aim kinda sucks bro, no offense
no offense but how you could die so much times like it wasnt even that hard
@@boogie3954he could be on veteran
I actually liked graves because he would get so gassed and pumped during the AC130 mission and he seemed friendly… screw shepherd
and he was also trying to de escalate the confrontation at the gate
He was just following orders from shepherd, I like him alot pretty cool character.
I agree Graves was a great soldier but after I heard Graves and shepherd betrayal the cartal was totally innocent
same here, out of all the characters in MWII, Graves was my favorite character it is a shame you had to kill him due to Graves just following his orders from Shepherd
@@arkinferno7497 he's a hound waiting for his next hand out he dosnt follow a moral compass he follows whoever pays him.
I love how they crash a helicopter and Price's first words were probably: FUCK MY FUCKING CIGAR
Dude a bad ass lol
But that's a fcking CUBAN CIGAR!! 😆😂
why am I reading it with capt. Price's voice 😆
Men Capt. Price a menace he can only die in cutscenes
THAT SHIT COST ME $100
What I love about the campaign is, without missing a beat, they changed Graves subtitles from Blue for friendly to red for hostile
It’s those little details I love
It kinda ruins it for me
They do the same when Price is taking to Shepard
@@SuperMrBentley really? It ruins the WHOLE reveal for you? IT TURNS RED AT THE SAME TIME
@@SuperMrBentley r/whoooosh
What I like about this is that Graves was following orders and Shepherd was responsible for the entire thing.
Price tried to ask Shepherd kindly to call off Graves but he refused. So Price and his allies had to resort to killing Graves to help Alejandro get his HQ back.
I like how Graves and Soap are cracking jokes and being sarcastic in a friendly way as they try to kill each other.
Graves went along with it all knowing what was what, he gets what he deserves.
@@mitchjames9350 hmmm, not exactly. Graves actually didn't want to have fight at the gate. He tried to keep it calm the entire time.
I lowkey feel like they’re gonna do a “gotcha” and graves is gonna be alive. He was too calm during that tank battle I feel like he drone operated that tank somehow or had someone else man the tank
@@issicbahena828 I feel like it was drone controlled. He was wayyyyy too calm for that whole fight.
@@blockade4961 he still went through a town committing war crimes lmao
In Call of Duty, if you don't see them die, then most likely they're not dead. This isn't the last we have seen of Graves. He'll be back.
Honestly in ANY story/game/movie etc that holds true.
Actually he maybe dead or alive
You see.maybe he just turned into dust or just exploded in thin air or somethin (death logic)
And ghost or soap will kill him. Retard
he needs to go, i don’t fkn like snakes
yeah bcuz wouldnt they had ID'd him or atleast tried to find the body
As a native Spanish speaker, I laughed so hard on Grave’s broken Spanish.
What’d he say?
@@clan_boyd kinda hard translating it to english as… it follows english structure, so it makes absolute sense in english, but it doesn’t work in spanish. I don’t know how else to describe it.
@@clan_boyd he basically spoke extremely broken Spanish on purpose to mock Rudy. Pretty much making fun of Rudy's group Los Vaqueros saying they were trash and that he shouldn't trust them etc. I C4red his ass so fast after that whole speech.
@@CrustyMuffinsify lmao you are a Chad for that
@@CrustyMuffinsify he was kinda making fun of the language in general like in Las almas when him and shadow company were going around killing civilians and cartel members alongwith corrupt cops looking for soap and ghost mocking their language that shit was still funny 😂😂
I love how Graves' name in the subtitle turns red when he's showing his true colors. Nice little detail.
this was in the game since the old mw2 tho xd
@@M1chalShakesandFidget Okay so? I pointed it out so that people who didn't notice it would see it.
@@M1chalShakesandFidget but in the same scene?
Same happens with Shepherd
@@hihowrya370 thx for pointing it out for me, I’m blind. Oh wait…
Dude has the aim of a man with a hot wife, an overpaying job, and a loving family
LOL.
R/rare_insults
Did someone say hot wives?
@@ununicorniocon2gbderam787 I don't think it's an insult. I think it's a... weird compliment.
I _think_ he's saying that his aim is good. I'm not sure whose aim he's referring to.
who r u talking about
I love how Ghost just disappears lol
Fr he is Ghost. He disappears like Batman
He sure is a ghost
And that why they call him ghost👍🏾👍🏾
Let's be honest of ghost didn't worry about soap the campaign would've ended a lot differently and it would've been much more violent. Ghost could've went against them all on his own i feel.
Just dissipated
I doubt Graves is actually dead, it was such an anticlimactic death. He could have just been using the tank remotely, we don't even see him killed in a cutscene. It just happens and we move on. Graves was too cool to simply just kill off like that, I expect him to return, either as a future antagonist or switching sides.
Yeah I believed he's controlling the tank remotely. There's no way in hell he's in that tank alone then drives and even shoots at you all at the same time, unless if he got his men operating with him inside the tank.
@@animeliam9697 to that extent it could have just been exclusively his men operating it while graves is talking over the radio as he escapes to buy time
Yeah, they didnt seem to bother checking if he’s dead, any confirmation. Just assumed he’s in the tank, dead from the explosion.
Theres a chance it is a remote controlled tank. They killed him off a little too easy there.
@@merimkastrat5846 only problem would’ve been identifying said remains in a smoldering tank after its ammo went to space.
Or its comms and he wasn't really in the tank
2:41 Alejandro shoots the bullet into the ground and it ricochets and hits the enemy. TRUE LEGEND
*Helicopter crashed *
*Price probably gets a little hurt *
The only thing Price thinks about:
"I'M LOST MY LAST FUCKING CIGAR"
😂
Love the silent exchange between Ghost and Soap just before sh*t kicked off ... Ghost's elbow to the face of that unfortunate soldier (unfortunate cuz he had no idea the hurt that was coming) and the knife throw.
there is a reason Shadow Co fears Ghost. He's extremely lethal
Somethings telling me graves isn’t dead..that was too easy to “kill” him off & introduce him so fast
Update: I was right
Especially in today's world of PMCs. He could have been an long-running antagonist!
It seemed like a really cheap death tbh. I expected some cutscene after you disable the tank, but instead it just blows up. And in his dialogue as you’re throwing c4 at the tank he doesn’t even react to it. Just keeps monologuing till he dies.
Same here.
Prob cause he wasnt in the tank lol. That tank is an advanced one not based off of irl. Could be remote controlled
@@princecharming4441 Yeah, like some kind of a land drone?
"If you never see a character die, he is probably not dead"
-Inkslasher
Edit: Mom!!! I’m famous!!!!!!!
@K-1000 "Skullfucker" wdym
he's probably the main character
You can't kill a Ghost captain
@@impulse1107 remember kravchenko from BO1, he still alive in BO2 even though potrayed dead in BO1
Than again thought mason died in black ops too when you were woods and shot him but he wasn’t 🤷♂️
"Holy shit... Graves brought a fuckin' tank." possibly one of my fav lines in mw2
graves speaking spanish like that felt like a hate crime LMAO
FR I was on the edge of my seat with the fast-paced scene but Graves going "chicos" had me pissing myself
Kudos to them for making Graves likeable enough so this scene actually feels like a gut punch.
If you didn’t suspect graves would betray you from the beginning idk what to tell you. They couldn’t have made it more obvious😂.
2:27 that's cute, Graves thinks he's gonna find Ghost.
You don't find Ghost.
He finds you.
There’s a reason he’s called “*GHOST*”
Bro thinks he’s shepherd
I like how you can hear how nervous Graves is when he thinks he's got Ghost cornered on the road. He respects his skills and still doesn't underestimate him even when he thinks he has the advantage
*Graves* "well I wasn't in that tank"
*soap* "well then i wasn't in that tunnel"
The betrayal hits hard because we were high fiveing and calling us brother just one minute ago and then bam. But also I love the parallels between the cartel and shadow company how at the end they're guns for hire waging a secret war.
0:50 our guys are outnumbered 3 to 6 but when Ghost drops that line it feels like Graves and his men are the ones who will be needing help
Soap: "You made your own little army because you can't hack it in a real one!"
That was a sick burn. However, most armies if not all of them (nowadays) are just used to clean up some politician's mess. I highly doubt in our reality, a bunch of high speed Tier One guys are going to go out of their way to do exactly what TF 141 did in these games.
Side note: in NO way am I being anti military or anything like that, it does leave a bad feeling in my gut that good men and women are being used for someone else's political agenda. The so called "War on Terror" is a great example of many years wasted.... especially when it was planned by our own government (US Government). For those still saying it's a conspiracy theory... it's definitely not. At least 30 Navy SEALs were killed for figuring out the truth (Extortion 17).
Which is how we keep falling farther down the shit hole
There's always a political agenda behind wars. This is my people need to understand realism in international relations, it explains a lot.
Nowadays the government wants to rope us in the mess of Ukraine which isn't really the people's problems but their's.
@@LordHoth_90 I know how to get out, it's simple 1776, *Yankee doodle dandy starts blasting*
The funny thing is those types of PMC were the ones Soap and Price in while Graves was in a tier one PMC
After thinking about it, I feel like Graves is still very much alive, like all the red flags of a character """death""" is there, the lack of corpse and his plot importance is setting it off already, and remember Roach still hasn't made a comeback so what if, Graves is actually Roach? I mean think about it, if he survived that mission by the skin of his teeth he is gonna need a new name, and Roach is a pretty fitting name for that, and Graves looked up to Ghost, so imagine the confrontation in MWIII where Ghost and Roach fights each other in a one versus one, it would be pretty damn tragic since OG Ghost and Roach were implied to be close or just comrades at arms, so yeah I don't think we have seen the last of him, I didn't see no corpse, and golden rule is that if there isn't, good chance they are still alive.
Jesus. And I bet you thought Alex was Ghost
@Avery actually made no sense
It's possible he's still alive but I don't know if he's gonna be Roach. I miss Roach too, but Roach was a blank slate player character with no dialogue, the reason he isn't in the remake is probably of that plus you already had to track too many friendly characters on the battlefield. Price, Soap, Ghost, Gaz, Alejandro, Rudy, Laswell, Graves, Fara, etc.
I also miss that Foley, Dunn, and Ramirez aren't back, I get that it didn't make sense from a story perspective, but sometimes being a regular grunt instead of a special forces ultimate murder machine is good too
he isnt roach ffs
So Roach is a Shadow Company member and higher rank than the entire team even Price potentially that makes sense
If price was here he would had totally shot graves and his men on site💀
For real, Price deals with no non-sense. MW1 proved that already. If the colonel didn’t walk away, Price would have hung him like a dead dog.
Its too bad that he was manning the chopper
Legend says when you dig 2 Graves, a Ghost will come out from the 2nd grave you dug, drop some Soap and you will pay the Price.
MW3 Graves: "I wasnt in that tank"
What I don’t like too much is that it’s always the shepherds in these games that betray you and it’s always easy to predict. Salazar betraying us in blops 2 was so unexpected and such a good twist, I feel like those types of betrayals from people who aren’t our commanding officers are harder to telegraph and more realistic
Damnn, completely forgot about bo2 until you mentioned. Gosh I miss the old call of duties
There were hints prior to Salazar’s betrayal. The first time we see him, he literally says to not underestimate Menendez.
I wanted originally to like and trust Shepherd becos Mass Effect Shepard
Main thing about this game is because of the earlier modern warfare games we knew Shepherd was going to betray us which takes the shock effect away kinda makes me wish the story was a bit different and somebody else betrayed us instead of shepherd
I'm excited to see Roach, Sandman, Frost, Grinch, Truck, Yuri and Meat to show up in MW3
Very doubtful
@@olivia3779 Seems like a general new rule of thumb; the devs think the main FPS protagonists we control are usually the least interesting, and therefore not worth revisiting, but fucsake, Soap turned out to be a pretty kickass exception, why can't Roach have at least a moment of raising an eyebrow on-screen?
Why roach and frost they never speak a word, no character development at all
When you see graves name turn red, every one of us who played the original was like “oh shit here we go again”
As someone who has never played the new CODMW before, this is fucking clean af, graphics are like movie quality, crazy how far gaming has evolved
actually this thing looks unfinished and dirty and not as AAA-shelf as it could be. But only original trilogy players notice
@@AremStefaniaK my family mistakes this for a movie, that alone explains it.
@@takumifujiwara4532
Yeah on YT, the gfx might come off cleaner but on your gameplay eh... MW19 had better graphics, better performance too.
@@takumifujiwara4532Haha, nah.
The final fight with graves felt so anticlimactic for such an interesting secondary antognist tbh. He had no death lines and you don't even get to really see him
Graves Might Still be Alive Though.
Agreed. There should’ve been a cutscene showing him die or something
I just love when the name on the subtitles switch from blue to red, or in shepherds case blue, yellow, to red. Shows shit just got real!
“General Shepherd sends his regards”
“The Lannister’s send their regards”
His death was so underwhelming lol
He’s most likely not dead think about the world they occupy with how advanced their tech is he wouldn’t have to get in the tank to control it not to mention he never reacts to any of the damage being taken and you never see a body every red flag is there
i bet he is alive and was controlling the tank from somewhere remotely. the death of him won't be easy
@@DarthRevan823 Yeah the whole time when the camera was panning to the tank I thought we'd see his charred body hanging out of the tank but no. Makes me think Graves is coming back later on.
Graves: Then again I remember my first rodeo too
Rodolfo: Boom! Roasted!
Soap: Who’s side are you on, Rudy!?!?
10:12 "like a fuckin soldier son" that line is so badass
Alejandro is the new addition and my God, that guy is 30lbs of fun in a 10lb bag.
LOL Great description
Graves seemed like hes adlers son or smth
He looks kinda like adler to so maybe 😂
was thinking the exact same thing haha
@@madhattergaming6473 he's sinister like adler
I doubt it 😅 would be cool though as he kinda looks a bit like him...
@@Burnout121EA Same voice actor
Rafe Alder never changed his ways
He’s always gonna be a villain
Why do I have the feeling we are gonna see graves in the next game. We didn’t see him die……I have a feeling he will be in the next
Graves isn’t dead. I’d put money on it. He’s coming back. He’s got way too much potential as a character. I’m really glad they added him into the game. Great character!
This aged perfectly
I somehow think that the voice actor of Philip Graves in MWII, is the same for Rafe Adler in Uncharted 4
He is.
@@b.u.l.1734 Alrighty hahaha
@@b.u.l.1734 lmao wow. Dude has the perfect villain voice
i felt like if he had given more leeway in the flashback mission (he asked Shepherd if he could send backup to his team that's carrying the missiles) Hassan wouldn't get the missile but noooo Shepherd 'we work with what we got' just had to have the final say
He’ll be back in MW3. COD has always taught us if there isn’t a corpse, they aren’t dead
The thing I like most about this isn’t even the initial cutscene or the action that follows it. I love the stealth mission that follows Soap’s escape. You can hear snippets of the conversation the Shadows are having. You can hear that, despite the fact that they heavily outnumber Soap and Ghost, they are still scared to death of the two of them. It goes to show you just how skilled the 141 is
Rafe Adler: You there, Sam? That was a big mistake, brother. It did not have to be like this.
Rafe Adler: Sonovabitch... Find 'em!
Really wished they could give graves a fight scene with soap or ghost where he rams the tank almost hitting them and jumps out before it explodes. Both are injured and struggling to kill one another via combat, knifing, near death moments. Just when Graves had the higher up and was about to finish Soap or Ghost off, SUDDENLY a handgun pointed on the back of Graves head. “See you in hell Pendejos. ” BAM!!! A clean shot through the skull out of the forehead dropping him cold.
Relax, Nikolas Cruz. It's just a game.
@@laur9333 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love the addition of Graves's name being blue up until the group figures out Shepard is a POS and betrayed them.
His death was anticlimactic… didn’t even feel like we killed him. We only blew up a tank.
Probably cause we didn’t he might show up in a later battle pass
Exactly what I was thinking I was like oh is that it? 😐
@@elblu_ I thought that too, but that stuff is getting old. I miss when COD wasn’t like that.
@@Burnout121EA Yeah it was terrible. Felt like a scene from a 2003-2005 game.
@@putinsneighbor8351 Ironically, a cod from 2003-2005 is better
Graves sounds like the spoiled rich kid at school who drove a squatted f150 with his instagram on the back glass.
Love how Graves name went from blue to red as soon as he mentioned shepherds name
Graves might pull a Simon here. Like "Sike! I'm not dead!"
Ghost died in OG MW2?
@@deathtrooper2048 yes. But on the reboot, Simon died but Ghost was born.
I think you mean the comics right?
Remember, James Reece killed Grave before in The Terminal List
I love how Graves name turns red right after he said “Shepard sends his regards”
As a former army paratrooper I can tell u that game gets my blood boiling because it is loosely based in fact and symbolically its exactly like real life experiences as an elite soldier w a curious mind!
Ha
@@Bat-Kaled bare w me I've been drinking. But what my dumb drunk ass was attempting highlight was the ever changing battlefield and the conflict of interests that we experience in real life.
Ptsd is typically due to moral conflict. I haven't played that game, only watched it on yt...but what I've seen, it does a good job of representing those moral conflicts as well as how the enemy and battlefield is always evolving at the higher levels.
I love that price is more angry about losing a good cigar rather than being shot down. What a fucking englishmen price is. Well so is ghost and soap. Everyone in the SAS
Graves cares about his men with they were ambushed by the Russians and Shepherd told him to screw them. That alone makes me think Graves choose the wrong side to work with. Graves could’ve help the 141 take him down.
Bro when I saw the blue text turn red when I was playing my hart droped
I know this is a different timeline, but I somehow knew Shepherd and Shadow Company would betray 141
This different timeline has been cool but I think they want to keep the general morality of the characters the same but change parts of their personality as well as the situations so it’s not just the same story but rehashed a decade later
Soap: How is Price?
Ghost: Angry lost his cigar on the crash 🤣
General Shepherd sends his regards… starts Red Wedding Flashback 😂
Seasons later:
‘Well, I wasn’t in that tank.’
funny that price only cares about his cigar. right after surviving a helo crash
“I don’t make threats i make guarantees “
2:43 - Alejandro turned RAGE mode on his aimbot.
Gun pointing opposite direction, even showing a bit of muzzle flash!
Extremely comical.
I trusted Graves so much
Well he is a PMC hired by Shepherd, he doing things what he's paid to do
@@waitholdonwhat28 yes sadly...
You can't trust anyone who not 141 lol
You must not have played the original MW2. Shadow company is nothing but Sheppards puppet group. And Sheppard is a CoD antagonist.
@@preyforcougars3601 I did play the original but thought this time things might be differrent
"Death Of Graves"
That didn't age well.
The reason I think Graves is not dead, simply put, is that during the dialogue when ever c4 explodes on the tank.
Graves monologue isn't interrupted at all.
So far in most COD games when a Antagonist is doing their dialogue injuring them that stops the dialogue.
Small detail but Important distinguishment.
I KNEW HE WASN'T IN THE TANK! CALLED IT!
Graves was a savage! I would have done all of what he said in less than a week 😂😂😂😂
price
>gets shot down by a rpg
>nearly fucking dies in a helicopter
>copes about a cigar
rest in piece cigar 2022 - 2022
just a hint for other people playing this mission. I played it on hard mode so i had to get creative. You can predict the tanks movements and just put the c4 on the road and get to cover so that bastard can't shoot you while you blow him up
Imagine if Soap said during the boss fight.
*"You know if you just said what shit stain you forgotten to clean up then we wouldn't be in this mess!"*
Graves isn't actually dead, because even if the tank wasn't drone controlled, he would've waited for 141 to leave and presume him dead before crawling out the escape hatch that all tanks have at the bottom. the latter case would likely mean graves would return with some burn scars and/or disfigurements. he'd cover his face with some kind of mask (possibly a respirator setup if his lungs were damaged) and be like an anti-ghost character. similar to Darth Vader and cobra commander.
But the tank exploded
It’s turret popped off which means the ammo detonated and the pressure was great enough to pop the turret off
Meaning anyone inside would be turned to jelly
@@cowerdnerddespacito9518 that just means that the tank was more likely to be a drone, in which case he was in an underground bunker with the rest of Shadow company seeing what 141 was and wasn't capable of. again, even if it wasn't, dude saw the explosion coming and popped the escape hatch at the last second, sustaining a combination of shrapnel wounds and 3rd degree burns while still barely surviving enough to eventually don his breathing mask when Shepard picks him up and revives him. COD version of the Darth Vader story arc, possibly even with him killing Shepard in the end. no body = still alive
Lol most tanks don’t have escape hatches in the bottom 😂
Shit hits the fan when the name tag turns red.
Soap : "How's Price?"
Ghost : "Angry."
😂🤣
watching u try to blow the tank up almost gave me cancer
What I found interesting was where soap got shot was the same place where Shepherd stabbed him.
I like how the changes the things we hated about the og with ghost going for his rifle on extreme close quarters whereas now he just kills everyone with his knife
I feel like graves wasn't even in the tank the entire time, his dialog doesnt revolve around being in it and he doesn't react to the hull being blown apart by the c4, and he says his options were "flee or win", and he doesn't reveal which one he chose
He said guess which one I chose.
@@deathtrooper2048 Yes so he could've meant he already left
“General Shepherd sends his regards”
Phillip Graves was the best character every. Why’d they have him betray us???
Alejandro always has that expression on his face of: “What the f-k did you just say??”
This reminds me of the mission from desert storm 2 when you have to take down mutiple tanks
Omg I loved that game
5:20 Alejandro came so close to getting blasted lmaooo the “TEXAS” “STAR” was so real in that moment!
"Right Then. This Is For The Boys At Task Force 141."
- Soap
14:33
I love how Graves name in the subtitle change color from blue to red when he said General Shepherd sends his regards indicating they just turn to enemy.
Graves was just an ambitious charismatic tool that shepherd used. In this timeline he cuda been a part of TF141.
Think about it. Shepherd was trying to cover this up the whole time and was thinking enough shadow company cud take out ghost soap and alejandro.hold the hq down and kill everyone else who knew about this. Award Grace's the HQ and keep it going.
I've been using the term "gringos" forever and never knew the history. Thanks COD!
You saw the dead man's grave, but you did NOT see the dead man Graves. He'll be back.
I really wish they made a cut scene of Graves crawling out then you execute him. Just the tank blowing up was kinda anti climactic for the betrayal he did
No one cares
You see that shot Alejandro made at 2:41? What a trick shot shooting the ground like that and nailing the dude.
Graves seemed like a good guy, shame the type of person Shepherd was tho
Graves is the best new character they added and it's so unfortunate they carved him out as a bad guy when he was literally only following his orders. I think MW4 should give him a hero position for once. He deserves it.
This level has more building destruction than BF2042 multiplayer
Bro didn’t go bad he follows orders.
Graves id definitely my favourite antagonist from this game. They made him go from likeable to hateable in just one mission. Kinda makes me sad because right before that, he and Soap did a wholesome bro handshake after defusing the missile