Marika Is The Secret Hero OF Elden Ring Shadow Of The Erdtree - Elden Ring DLC Lore
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Marika The eternal has long been viewed as a villain, but Elden ring shadow Of The Erdtree completely flips that on it's head. I really do hope you enjoy this Elden Ring DLC Lore Video discussing, how Marika Is The Secret Hero OF Elden Ring Shadow Of The Erdtree! I hope you do enjoy!
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Most of the events of Elden Ring and due to the of Queen Marika the Eternal and her Demi-god offspring's, Ranni, Rykard, Radhn,
Godwyn the golden, Malenia and her scarlet rot and Miquella the unalloyed/ saint Trina,
its also theorized that Melina is the gloam eyed queen and emperyan like Ranni, Miquella and Melania. PS, Shaman are so cool.
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Elden Ring is set in a dark fantasy world called the "Lands Between." The world was created by the Elden Ring, a powerful object that has been shattered, leading to chaos and turmoil. Players assume the role of the "Tarnished," a character who has been exiled and embarks on a quest to restore the Elden Ring and bring order to the world.
The game features a diverse cast of characters, including gods, giants, dragons, and other mysterious beings, each with their own motives and agendas.
Elden Ring is known for its intentionally cryptic and enigmatic storytelling style, where much of the lore is left open to interpretation and speculation. Players need to piece together clues, engage in speculative discussions with the community, and make their own interpretations to fully understand the lore of Elden Ring and its intricacies.
Elden Ring is also an action role-playing game played in a third-person perspective with gameplay focusing on combat and exploration; it features elements similar to those found in other games developed by FromSoftware, such as the Souls series, Bloodborne, and Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice. Director Hidetaka Miyazaki explained that players start with a linear opening but eventually progress to freely explore the Lands Between, including its six main areas, as well as castles, fortresses, and catacombs scattered throughout the open world map. These main areas are interconnected through a central hub that players can access later in the game's progression-similar to Firelink Shrine from Dark Souls-and are explorable using the character's mount as the main mode of transport, although a fast travel system is an available option. 
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Crucible mixing pot of life...they were trying to recreate the crucible
"I believe the baby jars are the children of the shaman village" proceeds to play footage of murdering little jar people
Um, we call that "Percussive abortion in the 21st Trimester", sir
Gotta do what you gotta do 😋
@@theemeraldgecko310 gotta get those living jar shards from somewhere 🤷
@jackjones7062 100% a man’s gotta get his miniature fire bombshell from somewhere 🤷♂️
Putting them out of their misery
What proves it to me is that miquella says we are Marikas lord. We represent free will that marika set up for us to have, while miquella is control, no matter the intentions and sacrifice.
You make a good point! Wouldn’t say she’s completely free will but we certainly represent it!
Miquella clearly isn't a bad person. Him charming Mohg who kidnapped him while he was sleeping, and Ansbach who tried to kill him do not prove that he will control everyone. Marika also doesn't represent free will, Omens live in sewers, those who live in death are hunted down, "those stripped of the grace of gold shall all meet death in the embrace of Messmer's flame." Sounds like a lot of sacrifices are being made. Even destroying the elden ring is a major sacrifice that basically gets all of her children killed.
@@DrooledOnyep ...i think he's more of a Grey character. Knows that to achieve his goal he'll have to break a few eggs and can't do it without getting rid of his softness. The problem is what becomes of him after achieving his goals now that he's not the same person as before.
@DrooledOn I mean wasn’t free will only available once Miquella’s power was shattered in that moment in the dlc? I do get where you’re coming from though!
@@theemeraldgecko310 It depends on what you describe as "free will." If we go on this definition of free will "the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion." The charm breaking doesn't grant anyone free will. For example, Ansbach may deem it necessary to avenge Mohg under moral obligation or urgent need or desire, same with Hornsent. So based on this definition, he would not be acting under free will. Necessity "1
: the quality or state of being necessary
He questioned the necessity for the change.
2
a
: pressure of circumstance
The plane was compelled by necessity to change its course.
b
: physical or moral compulsion
did it, not because he wanted to, but by necessity
c
: impossibility of a contrary order or condition
submitting to the necessity imposed by the physical laws of the universe
3
: the quality or state of being in need
especially : POVERTY
had come to help them in their necessity
4
a
: something that is necessary : REQUIREMENT
Many families could not afford the bare necessities of life.
b
: an urgent need or desire
When his father collapsed, an ambulance became a necessity."
Lands Between jars are filled with the corpses of heroes and stamped with Erdtree wax seals. You actually see Alexander refilling himself after you fight Radahn.
That’s actually a great point!!!
I could be very wrong but I’m pretty sure the jars was just a concept taken from the shadow realm but is used differently in the lands between. They gather corpses and then take them to minor Erdtrees where the avatars smash them at the roots for nourishment as opposed to melding them together to create “saints”
@certifiedcib7958 could definitely see this being the case! It’s just one of those things I don’t think we’ll ever truly know!
@@certifiedcib7958i like the way you put it by saying that the Erdtree Avatars smash the bodies up as nurishment for the Minor Erdtrees. Like putting down fertilizer.
@@theemeraldgecko310 maaan I want to know the secrets already 😩 just waiting on thetarnishedarcheologist at this point 🤣
"The only thing worth writing about, is the human heart in conflict with itself." GrrM.
Marika committeed terrible sins for vengeance and survival of her people, and later on to protect her children, all cursed from birth because of those very sins. Thus, she herself is cursed for the love she bears her kin.
That’s a great quote! I think Marika is such a deep and interesting character and I don’t think she gets nearly enough credit!
Marika is one of my favorite characters because of both her actions as a mortal hero and an evil goddess, she had a tragic backstory and rebelled against her own persecutors and the hornsents sacrificial traditions are just too unforgivable to say that she wasn't justified in her retaliation.
But she definitely became a villain after her ascension to godhood, she became paranoid abandoning her own son, taking out the fire giants, everything that could've even been seen as a threat to the golden order she immediately wanted to stomp away, which is fair considering that its a threat to her very status and rule from her perspective but the genocide of a race that from what we know didn't have any real problems with the erdtree and just had the possibility of doing damage is unforgivable.
Its also probably what would've happened to Miquella if you think about it, all of the good he's done as a mortal paints him as a hero such as his care towards his sister, thd haligtree, etc. but when it comes to his actions towards becoming a god and his actions as an actual god you get this hyper controlling entity that rids people lf their free will.
Basically i agree that Marika wasn't a villain until her acsension, after that while some of her actions are justified alot of them were too radical and extreme, and with the treatment of her three oldest sons (four if you believe thay she was involved in Godwyn's death) then she's definitely the villain by the end.
Definitely agree with all of this! Mortal Marika was a hero but once she became a god, too much power and you’re consumed by it! I’m glad you understand the kind of message the video was trying to give, I think a lot of people saw the title and took it at face value :)
Ultimate power, ultimately corrupts.
"hornsents sacrificial traditions are just too unforgivable to say that she wasn't justified in her retaliation" I don't know about this... a retaliatory genocide is still a genocide. I can understand her anger, and why she did what she did. But she exterminated an entire group, including their children and those who may have opposed their own order. She became the thing she hated. And then she did it again. And again. More of an anti-hero
@depoittier I get where you’re coming from, but is it actually stayed the children were killed? I mean if all the children were killed, surely we would not see the hornsent guy that sides with miquella? (Forgot his name)
@@theemeraldgecko310 - You're correct in that I haven't encountered any direct evidence of the hornsent children being massacred. But given the war engines unleashed, the state of the hornsent civilization, and Marika's other deeds, I'm not getting the "and the children were rehomed with stable families, provided a generous stiped from the state, given a rigorous education and opportunities in the new order" vibe. There's certainly no evidence of that either. At best, she would have tossed them in the sewers of leyendel. As for the hornsent that we do meet, it's always possible that there were survivors of her genocide.
Thats exactly why i still watch these videos even if ive already seen 3 others on the same topic. I would just never have come up with the godrick-grafting-shaman blood connection.
I’m glad you found it worthwhile dude! Hope you have a great day :)
It's also the same thing as what the Nox were up to
Marika is such a complex character, with equal measures of sympathy, tragedy and malevolence. It simply reeks of GRRM.
Oh 100% dude and I bloody love it
We all need to keep in mind that all of this amazing historical stuff was the work G.R.R. Martin and not From. The continuing storyline (Miquella wanting to marry his brother, etc.) was From's additions.
There are two kinds of jars. One intended to create "saints" which are filled w/ the flesh of the living. The other are more like automated collectors of the dead, just like they are in the Lands Between. Instead of stuffing the tortured living inside them, they are more likely stuffed w/ the dead.
In the Lands Between, all of the jars are jovial and they only collect the bodies of the already dead, and then deliver them to the Minor Erdtrees to feed them. They're basically little Roombas of the Dead.
The Godrick-Grafting theory broke my brain. Great job!
Thank you dude means a lot!!!
Evil, not necessarily.
Vengeful and short sighted, definitely.
Definitely get where you’re coming from!
Roderika also traveled to the lands via boat and just recently arrived with her people! She also has a very similar resemblance to Marika, blonde golden hair, and she ends up being a Spirit Tuner!?
I’m guessing Roderika is also a Numen or something similar along the gene pool as Merika. (Not related, just similar races and possibilities with their gene pools)
That's a great theory!
What the story is really trying to show Is that just like her, Miquella has the best of intentions, but in the end, was gonna end up the same kind of monster perpetuating the cycle of destruction, by trying to right something wrong. By casting off every connection to his mother, he ended up becoming her anyways.
"Best intentions" , lies, manipulates, kills, betrays, uses and abuses allies and enemies alike. Yeh I don't think because " he says" he wants to make a gentle world that he will lol.
St Trina literally the other part of him tells us to kill him because he's too far gone and seeks power over all.
All of Marikas kids can't become elden lord hence why the tarnished are brought back. Morgott says it himself that none of them can become it, they are all doomed to be cursed and seek a power they can never reach.
Miquella didn't commit genocide
@@Rusty_Spy Sure but not for lack of trying. He would have stolen the minds and hearts of everyone committing a genocide of souls no better than what Ranni did to Godwyn.
@@emeraldpichu1 He could have done that a long time ago at any time.
@@Rusty_Spy Back then he had more emotions beyond blind compassion at all costs there is a reason he had to make himself dead to all others to make that kind of choice but ultimately that only means he was better than his mother until he made himself worse in an effort to surpass her.
Marika is 100% still a villain. She ordered the perpetual genocide of the hornsent. Even if she felt anger toward them, genicide isn’t justifiable. And the guidance of grace that guides us is HER guidance. She’s guiding us around to her demigod childen to kill them and take their great runes. She still forced Radagon back to her and ripped apart Renalla’s family, leading Rykard down a dark path. She’s still evil as fuck. She’s just a more understandable sort of evil now.
Also it’s very likely that Melina became the Gloam Eyed Queen and tried to kill Marika in response to Messmer being sealed away in the land of shadow. He was her big brother after all.
If someone kills your people, you won’t retaliate the same way ?
She condemned all omen and any other crucible age culture to hellish existences and then banished her son after having him do terrible things cause she was scared of snakes. She became a god for revenge. Shes so evil
I do think the idea of the coffins as ships or transportation is interesting, especially given the statue of Torrent like horses on them
Wait is there actually torrent like guys on there? I completely missed this!
@@theemeraldgecko310 up top, once you see it it’s hard to see anything else
Could be like a super scaled up version of of the ferryman to death… all death does wash up in the land of shadow
@@brandon2738can’t un-see this now! Always thought this was a bull for some reason lmao
@@tuckddd9that’s a really interesting take, I love it!
I agree about the Grandmother
I believe she was the Matriarchal leader of the Shaman society
I think they were all Tree Worshippers. That the Great Tree was not the crucible, it was the original Shaman Tree that the Erdtree was Grafted onto when Marika became a God
That’s a great theory! I like it!!!! Could definitely see them as being the original tree people
The Grandmother..... what about the Albinorics, their "mother" could see be like a "grandmother" to the Albinorics like the Grandmother to Marika
@nemesisundead83 that’s a great point!
An interesting thing to consider about the base game jars are that Anastasia the Tarnished Eater has the exact same butchering weapon as the Bonny Village Potentates. I doubt she's actually a Finger Maiden based on her attire but she's probably a hint on who made the jars. She also has a scorpion charm which aren't in the base game but are in the DLC. A few things to consider lol
I hadn’t clocked this whatsoever… but you’re right!!! Awesome find dude, thank you for letting me know!
When i played the base game i thought that Marika was a cruel and power hungry god who did not care about her children and would use them as pawns but after finding the shaman village i feel pity for Marika and that she wanted to end it all and just die as melina states "let us both be shattered my other self" to radagon. The loss of Godwyn must have been maddening for Marika and why she shattered the elden ring to end it all. Godwyn's horrible fate must have reminded her of her loss and that she still was stuck as that village girl who lost her family and people unable to escape death and suffering even after becoming a god. We find Marika broken and empty missing parts of herself but she was always empty and broken since the beginning because of her loss which she lost in that village.
Miquella's basically a 2nd Marika that's why I think it's a good thing we put a stop to him in the Dlc he's honestly way more dangerous than Marika since he can charm things and control people freely to do his bidding whereas Marika achieved this by using War as her form of dominion and control much more of a struggle and challenge compared to what miquella can easily do. Still even with the new backstory of Marika that we have in the Dlc it still dosen't justify all she's done. It did a good job on humanizing her just to show she wasn't alyways this power hungry ruler but ironically enough she ends up doing even worse than the people who wronged her in the Future as the saying goes you either die a hero or live long enough to become the Villain........
What a great breakdown of Marika and her origins and motivations. Getting to see the “human” qualities of a being that later became a god was such a good twist.
Thank you so much dude! I’m so glad you enjoyed it!!! It really was great!
Another thing my friend pointed out: the guidance of grace (which is controlled by marika) doesnt appear until we defeat messmer, its almost like she doesn’t want us to kill him but after he’s dead marika wants us to stop miquella’s rising to godhood
This is super interesting! She’s actively trying to save her son…. I didn’t notice this so thank you for letting me know!
Not true. The grace starts at the divine theater where you first fight the lion dancer, it points directly to Shadow keep, then to Raul where the sealing tree is, than to Miquella at the gate divinity.
Must have been a bug then lmao, i did confirm it and it didnt for me either, nevertheless sad that it was just a bug, it was cool as shit xd
At this point after i saw the incantation in shaman village with the kindness of gold without the order or something i feel like most of marika's atrocities probably just the elden beasts commands
Or her before living up to "live long enough to became the villain" sayings
Interesting video, when you get down to it, the hornsent with the jar ritual, the formless mother needing continuous sacrifices, the astrologers/Nox enslaving people by making them “dolls”, those who live in dead being mindless and attacking random people, the frenzied flame ending everything in an instant etc etc.
The Lands Between are very different from real life, it’s easy to say that some of her actions are ruthless by our standards, but it’s not like there’s much of a choice against such powerful and dangerous threats, I cannot exactly blame her.
I wasn't under the impression others thought Marika was a villain, I thought I was alone in that. Sure, they didn't agree with everything, but in general Marika wasn't super naysayed.
That being said, I was always under the impression that Marika had a history in perfuming and also in forceful compliance such as via grace.
The corpse wax of the golem (gold and black, black tied to Maliketh) definitely seems to be her replacement of sorts for putrescence magic of the GED, or the use of bodies and souls. I think this overall the role of a god, to determine how these elements are reformed, but when she took death off the table everything got worse.
The grafting definitely comes from this natural part of the shamans to merge with others, but I'm still wondering how Serosh and Godfrey (who is a demigod for some reason?) fit into that since that's the more important symbolism with the grafted scions.
While the ships may be Numen in origin, I think the Nox are ultimately seeming like Marika's chosen people - the reestablishment of the few of her people that survived. I think this ties back into the Dynasty and the mimics nicely - the mimics are putrescence given their souls back, the Nox are backtracking the way they came, a now entirely different set of people. And now, like everyone who catches her ire, they're underground too.
None of this makes her a hero, IMO. Motivation doesn't make a hero. I don't think she saved anyone. The pot people are still pot people, abandoned by her. I think the new pots are totally Marika, replacing the method of feeding the tree. Mass sacrifices are necessary, she learned. She just moved the goalpost.
I think it's important to remember the perfumers of Lyendell and how tied perfuming and pots are throughout the base game and the DLC.
I don't think hiding Omen away is by any means a sign of conscience. It's a PR move. It's a place to keep their magic where only she can access it. It's away to hide her other secrets, the Frenzy and Deeproot Depths. It's a place to ensure they are filtered down, down, down.
Personally? I think the merchants are her people. I think the Zamor are her people. I think the Nox are her people. And none of them were saved by her in the long run. Revenge does not a hero make.
The white bulb on the ant is actually based on the honeypot ant, which collects nectar in its abdomen which distends to accommodate the fluids
We have a different understanding of heroism.
I totally get where you’re coming from, I do tackle this in the video :)
@@theemeraldgecko310 And that is why I said it.
@@Kaesightoh okay! Which bit did you not agree with? Genuinely curious:)
@@theemeraldgecko310 She and her people were persecuted, kidnapped and killed by another people which then lead to her to commit genocide. She then conspired and succeeded to hide the whole thing by putting a veil over parts of the world. Then she went to "promote" her new golden order to the lands between. This is a very short summary but it should point you towards as to why she is not seen as a hero by the majority.
She just gave justice
Hey i found where radagon came from plz read
The lord soul requires a vessel
Mohg is the vessel for radahn
And Marika herself is the vessel for... radagon
Thats why when she raised her hands in front of the elden beast (on the gate) her hair starts to turn red
And radagon is the first consort of marika, and they had messmer and melina
I LOVE THIS!!! Thanks for sharing dude!
Maybe Marika tested the jars in The Lands Between. This was a way to test the Shaman’s ability to meld harmoniously which is what she ultimately wanted from Radagon.
Could definitely see this shenanigans from Marika!
Yeah..., she's definitely a hero... especially to the fire giants, and misbegotten, and omen, and carians, and dragons, and astrologers, and nox, and albunoric, and the crucible knights, and her own people of the land between who she screwed over with the shattering.
Yup, shes a total hero alright. Lol.
She is literally the reason we are able to kill the God that is controlling everything through her. She is a vessel of the greater will, we are told directly. The DLC tells us it's a gilded cage and to stop miquella from doing the same. Its not black and white like you act
Also both his husbands and all her children
That's exactly what you get for making normal people into gods ... Much like real life
@@083kaziashif7 Based
I did think back when the game was released that she removed the rune of death due to a tragedy in her past, so she never loses anyone again, although what that tragedy could be, I had absolutely no idea.
That said, her reprisal against the hornsent were justified, not sure about it being heroic though, and she did still become the villain in the end.
Quite poetic really. She led a kind of revolution against the tyrant hornsent, only to became the tyrant herself.
One thing I noticed
where you retrieve the "o, mother" gesture to reach the hinterlands. The tree the figure is in front of is strikingly similar to the "mother" trees of The Painted World from Dark Souls 3. Not saying there's a connection lore wise but it's interesting to see that theme represented again in Elden Ring as well with weeping trees.
"Fused together to create new being"... Sounds a lot like conception.
I think because of where she grew up and what happened to her family, Marika saw the Lands Between as a place of endless chaos and death and suffering, and likely when she was chosen as Empyrean by the Two Fingers, they told her she could have the power to change all that. To create a world of eternal order and life. She just needed to become the godly vessel of the Elden Ring and crush all those who didn't surrender to the rule of the Erdtree
A temporary period of war in order to create an everlasting peace. Could be worth it... right?
Only, it wasn't working, even after conquering the Lands Between. The flame of the fire giants couldn't be extinguished, the Omen curse brought back the hornsent she despised, the slain serpent refused to stay dead. Even her own children continued to be born cursed and tainted by the very forces of chaos she wanted to be rid of. And then Death managed to come for her family a second time, despite everything she did to seal it away. And that's when she realized that all of the terrible sins she committed in service of creating a better world were not actually justified and would never be, so she finally defied the Greater Will and shattered the Elden Ring
I think people understate that the moment she shattered the Elden ring, was the moment she snapped fully, she really is tragic
@@theemeraldgecko310 Yeah, I think that minor Erdtree incant description as "the kindness of gold, without order" says a lot about the difference between what kind of god she wanted to be and what kind of god she finally realized she had become. The weight of that guilt and regret must have been crushing
@aranthur definitely! This was a great read, both this comment and the prior one, thank you!
Just realized - Hewg. A Misbegotten, a being inherently tied to the Crucible, was tasked by Marika to forge a weapon that could kill a god. That god being herself. Having realized what she'd become she went to one of her oldest enemies to find a way to end her tyrannical reign, since she couldn't do it herself. Just like the spiral. Chaos begets Order begets Chaos.
@quietone2674 I’m sorry to but into your conversation, but I just wanted to say, I love this idea. It’s officially my new head cannon lmao
I think that grace
She lead u from this place to another through grace
Could definitely see this maybe being the case!
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Marika was born into the shaman village. their neighbors (the hornsent) hated the shamans and abused them.
Marika joined the hornsent, fucked their leader, then betrayed them and became a god.
The leader of the hornsent (midra), became the lord of frenzied flame, due to the affair he had on his original wife (i forgot her name but he says it in the dungeon).
Midra is messmers father.
Its kinda ironic how marika got her revenge by sending midras son with an army to kill and torment the hornsent forever, while the dlc has the player think messmer is just a edge-lord villain, hellbent on impaling innocent people.
Wasn’t midra impaled with that tree sword by the hornsent? How could he be their leader
@@jonnysniperneverdies they found out about the affair he had with marika. after she became a god they punished midra for his actions
This stuff on the numen and the abyssal serpent is great. I'm really curious about its origins
Me too! The lore to do with them is soooo good!
Please do not imply that a mother can only truly love a healthy, not-afflicted child; don't do that / cf your Godwyn is the only child she was able to embrace bc he wasn't "cursed". we don't know that, maybe his curse was one to only unleash when the body got activated in a certain way with a certain blade.
You’re twisting my words dude
blame it on the edit@@theemeraldgecko310 😹 i've seen many takes featuring the golden promised child reference since dlc release. if i am casting something onto you which you didn't mean then i am sorry.
@zokisan9554 the bit I was talking about was the whole healthy child can only truly be loved, what I meant was due to her past maybe she couldn’t face them? An example I can think of in our world, is if someone is tragically a victim and has a child without their consent, obviously some people manage to look past how they were conceived, but I imagine for some it must be incredibly difficult to look upon you’re child and see you’re trauma. Maybe I’m off base but that was just my interpretation, doesn’t excuse the actions she took :)
Elden ring as a whole, showed us all beauty as well as its many dangers and divine influences across every map as well the dlc. Yet when it comes to marika… why she blessed us with grace. We tarnished had much to interpret, her actions were not of that of a goddess or even that of a priestess. She was afraid… her village proved that death was a constant, when messmar came to being, she must’ve known that her very bloodline in her children were vulnerable to the outside influences, yet she didn’t wish death on them at all. She like us came to those very halls and found that scroll of ascension, made her son a lord while she goes in her beliefs as newly made goddess refine the elden ring to her ways to remove death from the equation for her children. In the end, she realized her folly. She was imprisoned, unable to act when Godwyn died she as a mother first chose to be human, to be set free, so she shattered the ring. Radagon however stopped her from going, even tried to repair the ring but to no avail. Her childrens true nature came out as either schemers, honorable omens or brazen warriors in search for grander power. Then, there is us… the tarnished, she awoke us from within the very erd tree with but a grain of free will as her way of needing our help. We were the clean slate, a new beginning as well a new lord to be as reward after enduring hardship’s. Hence why we never fought her at all, for she excepted her end. IMO marika despite her flaws just wanted her children to live happy lives in mind, keep death away from them so they wouldn’t go through what she did, to live freely even if she can never do so again.
There is no way we aren't getting an Elden Ring sequel.
I think it makes more since that the ants ate the Newman corpses and that's where they get the big bulbs from. Also, it explains all the corpses around them that they are feeding on when you approach them.
Definitely could be one or the other! It was just a theory I came up with and wanted to mention :)
@@theemeraldgecko310 I like to do that as well. I was entirely wrong about mine lol. I said we are actually Miquella but reincarnated. There's just a lot with his journey thay compares to ours.
The lands between jars
-filled with dead warriors
-those jars travel back to the base of an erd tree to get smashed by erd tree avatars to continue the cycle of erd tree rebirth
Headcanon:
I think Marika fits the batman quote of either dying as a hero or livingong enough see yourself become the villain
She usurped the elden ring and established the golden order; plucked destined death
All to prevent any more deaths from her family
And also to stop the “jarring” of her people
Her system was ultimate flawed though
And soon her own order began the jarring system again; albeit filled with contente - dead warriors who cannot truly die
I love this head cannon, it is now my new head cannon lmao
Whats crimes? Shes a god after all. In our own real world our god does a lot of shit to, killing millions, but still we worship lol
I mean you have kinda got a point, could be wrong but I’m pretty sure it does tackle in the bible for example why?
@@theemeraldgecko310 after all its dark souls universe not some Disney movie with villains and heroes… You cant say Marika is a hero or shes evil, shes a mortal with hard life who became a god. And i think its symbolic that Marika looks similar to Jesus crucified on cross. The main thing that we still dont know its why she decided to brake the elden ring, hope the future dlc will reveal it..
@@nzothfatherofdream9231I get where you’re coming from, fingers crossed we do get a future dlc!
So Marika/Radagon is literally a SHAMAN KING
Marika actually is shrine maiden, not a shaman. Those village named Village of Miko in Japanese. Miko - shrine maiden
Intresting! Maybe the shrine maidens are just a rank of the shaman?
@@theemeraldgecko310 maybe)
I could be completely off base to be fair 🦎
She is a villain. Sympathetic for sure, but the TRUE villain is Rannia, and now Miquella too.
It's interesting that Messmer only ever talks of Marika, and not about his father, who was probably Radagon. It seems like every child of Marika and Radagon is born cursed in some way, while their children with Godfrey and Rennala weren't. (Morgott and Mogh being omens is from the crucible, not their bloodline. If they weren't omens they'd probably have been like Godwyn)
Maybe that's why the Numen needed to travel to new lands, since they have troubles having children amongst themselves.
Maybe they’re all inbred to hell and back lmao?
@@theemeraldgecko310 lol it definitely fits for George R. R. Martin to write that a bunch of inbred people are seen as "cursed".
He just loves his inbreeding too much lmao
From what I understand the shaman are forced into the jars to become saints which I'm pretty sure is in reference to the crucible. The amalgamation of life they worship these people would soon become amalgamation of life living amongst them, nigh sainthood to the hornsent indeed
the hornsent worshipped the crucible. the crucible was the melding of life. a crucible is like a forge.. they didnt just chop them up for yippies, they were valued for their ability to fuse harmoniously with others. the sainthood probably lies in their mixing of creatures, like the crucible does on its own.
This title has to be bait. Marika is the biggest villain of the story and her being a victim of trauma doesn't change that. She chose to respond to trauma by inflicting WORSE trauma. Classic abuser dynamic. She's just like Handsome Jack, the hero of her own story but the damn near cartoonish villain to everyone else. Just look at Morgott and Messmer.
Not just morgot and mesmer, but mogh too. And she threw godfrey out like old trash when she didn't need him any more. She treats maliketh like shit too. Oh dont forget the fire giant genocide. And the misbegotten...The nox? The albunoric? The demi humans? The omen? The trolls? She woulda killed the carians if she could have. And she plunged the entire lands between Into an age of immense suffering with the shattering.
I'll leave out the hornsent, because they did start it after all.
God damn, Marika is a total asshole. No wonder miquella is ashamed and wants to get rid of any connection to the golden order before he becomes a god.
@@Cman04092I love how this Dlc showed a little of her story and give us a part of her motivations and at the same time made her even worst than before. A very interesting character, asshole but interesting.
They were trying to recreate the crucible...mixing pot of all life...think about it a sec
And Miquella was the Griffith all along.
Pretty much lmao
Glaringly obvious for ages. The aesthetic. The bewitching branches. Shocked anybody's remotely surprised.
Trauma, especially trauma induced by an outside force, can make a person do horrible things. So, what happens when a person with severe amounts of trauma and a burning desire for revenge becomes a deity? What kind of horrors are born from a vengeful god?
“There is nothing more terrifying”…
Lmao you seem to have irritated people! Good job!
I’m being genuinely serious when I say that really wasn’t the intention, I think people saw the thumbnail and immediately got angry. I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Jars in the lands between have the erdtree seal and are placed at the rooted basins of minor erdtrees or the erdtree within catacombs in attempts to rebirth her people through the erdtree sap or amber
3:20 or its a spiral meant to imply her false dedication to the hornsent civilization which would be a seduction of them allowing for the betrayal of messmers invasion and her genocide at the divine gate. I think giving Marika too much "grace" [badum tss] is dangerous. Like goldmask says "the fickleness of the gods, no different from man. That is the fly in the ointment."
The "revenge" of a race of people against another entire race cannot be justified.
She certainly has a lot of similarities with Cersei
Definitely!!
Is there something saying the numen can fuse because the nox are numen and the ants hate them also I don’t think something saying it’s a numen ability to fuse like that wouldn’t be talk about sooner
Yeah! The shaman are said to be Marika’s people, Marika is also said to be Numen, so taking this information and the fact the teeth whip tells us about the shamans ability to meld with other beings, that’s where I came to my conclusions, it isn’t talked about in the main game but there are hints to it like I mentioned in the video :)
I don't think there are any 'heroes' in this somewhat dismal world. Enjoyed the story though. Well done to the devs!
You make a good point to be fair!!! Thanks! Yeah the story was incredible!
Saying Marika is a hero might be a bit much... She is a tragic figure for sure (much more so now that the DLC has brought her past to light) but let's not forget some of the things shes done...
‘Shaman’ isn’t another name for the Numen. They are the more spiritual beings of the Numan, basically priestess’ in a way. So Shaman’s are Numan priestess’.
Which makes you realise how much more rare Marika’s kind was. Not only was she Numan who are long lived but seldom born; but their Shaman were even fewer. As not all Numan are Shaman.
And what are you talking about Miquella and St’. Trina fusing? It sounds you’re implying they were seperate/individual beings before, and if that’s the case… then what possible evidence do you have for that theory? Especially to compare it to Marika and Radagon who lack sufficient evidence of being two different individuals themselves? The Numen flesh fusing ability does not prove their ability to do the reverse, to unfuse. Otherwise wouldn’t the tortured jar people do so?
Who says this that if you don’t mind? It makes it quite clear that they are the same, though I could be wrong! I honestly don’t have an answer for you regarding st Trina I’m just telling you what little information we are given.
Maybe that’s the problem? They can’t unfuse?
At least not without extensive measures like Miquella?
My theory is that Numen have two souls in one body, and are capable of switching their sex.
This is a really cool theory! I love it!
Nobody who commits genocide on multiple species is a hero.
The title of the video was the hero of elden ring the shadow of the Erdtree
@@theemeraldgecko310yeah, but I'm the hero of the the shadow of the erdtree, not Marika.
@Cman04092 we work for marika, we done what we did in the shadow realm for marika, ergo marika got the win through us.
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Anyone who wipes out a species that is religiously dedicated to mutilating people and stuffing them into jars isn't committing genocide, it's housekeeping.
Surprised you didn't mention the snake skin in Bonny Village.
Wait what? I completely missed this, where is this if you don’t mind me asking?
@theemeraldgecko310 The tree the Grandmother body / statue is beneath in Bonny village, has a single pointing branch. Follow its direction back into the woods.
Also note that the tree is in the same shape of the branch twig crowned crones who point towards the catacombs for spirits to follow.
@NoahKunin oh my god.. thank you so much for letting me know!!
@@theemeraldgecko310 my theory on this is Marika earned the title “Eternal” before she was Queen and this is core to her original sin. Matches up with the snakes birthing more snakes (classic ouroboros) on the ships at the Cerulean coast.
(1) Why did Marika left Messmer if her cause was just?
(2) was Marika really a miko (=shaman =bestower) villager? or was he a Numen saint (=Aria =highborn)?
If she was a lowborn how come she left a gift for the grandmother in her village? How come she was an empyrean just like the gloam-eyed queen? and why would a Numen highborn masquerade as a bestower lowborn? Marika fooled everyone yet again.
I thought those were tumbs.......
They might have been! The more I look into it I think they are tomb ships, as some people have said, the map says it’s a ship, but maybe it’s like Viking burial ships?
I thought those were giant coffins washed up on the cerulean coast?
Are they? Could be completely wrong but I thought they were ships :)
Weren’t the gargoyles held together with wax?
The jar thing is easy. The hornsent worshiped the crucible so a religious act to them would be the blending of life, so using the Numan as an ingredient they become part of the crucible and thus become saintly. After all the whole point of the divine gate was trying to direct the power of the crucible to the heavens, to create a true God for their kind.
You know, you’re totally right! Love this take
Come on guys we all know that Seluvis is the real villain
For real dude
talking ab lids of jars becoming saints, why does noone question saint trinas conception in its process?
15 minutes of simping for Marika, nice
this is a super cool theory. im on board!
Eyyyy thank you!!
Did we ever find out who Messmer's father was? Another question, how/why did Marika use the same Jar rituals that was used against her and her people? As you point out, the lids of the jars from each realm are different... so does that mean she eventually had to use the jar ritual that was her own version, thus the jar's themselves are completely different in the shadow realm. Also... I'll never look at Alexander the same again. 🤯 p.s. this is my favorite part of the game and FromSoft w/Miyazaki, is the lore speculation online. Cheers mates 🍻
Some of the jars in the shadow keep have there lids off, maybe they had a new coat of paint? Not sure!
Thanks for the lovely comment, hope you’ve been well!
OOH! This one was SO good! A theory that I have, you know the Potentate, that Jar-Bairn talks about, who made him, and the others at Jar-Burg, I think he may have came from the Land of Shadow, he may have became disgusted and horrified on how Jars were made there, because the others are sadistic and cruel, he left his homeland, and came to the Lands Between, because the Jar Culture THERE is one of peace, warrior's honor, and some WILLINGLY want to be made into a Jar! I sincerely think, THAT Pontentate Jar-Bairn talks to US about, may really have come from the Land of Shadow! Okay, BAT-S%#@ part coming, but, IF this is true, did he escape on his own, or did he have help? This may sound REALLY far-fetched, but, was this Potentate helped by Marika? Maybe, she noticed THIS Potentate was FAR different than the others, and helped him to get to the Lands Between WITH her! SOMEONE had to bring Jar Crafting there! He searched for a long time, for a FAR away place, a small village, hard to get to, and named it Jarburg, somewhere, he hoped, these peaceful, kind, and warrior's honor Jar's could be safe! Makes you REALLY wish you could hunt down the poachers that smashed up the place, and kills Dallios! I just got to thinking, and, maybe, this is how the Jars and Jar-Burg in the Main Game, came to be!
so radagon is shaman too?
Maybe! Would be super cool!
@@theemeraldgecko310actually he’s part of makira discarded self like how her son did to St Trina remember how he removed his love well radagon is also what ever discarded emotion makira had to become a god
“Marika is the true villain” hay I said those words :D. With the Elden beast lore stating he came from off world, I think maybe marika and the numen are linked to the ‘greater will’, now hear me out but I’m thinking like you that the numen are aliens (maybe colonizing other worlds) with the Elden beast being a product of technology rather than gods or magic. I’m probably way off though lol, but there’s not a lot to go on :/. I think your point about Godrick and fusing/grafting was especially interesting. You put a lot of thought into those jars, man that is really dark, poor babby jars ;__;
I haven’t heard anything along this line before, but I actually really dig it! Colonist space aliens for the winnnnnnn
Thanks so much means a lot! It really is sad, the whole jar quest line is sad, especially the base game quests with this knowledge, remember the baby jar from Alexander’s quest…
Ah just a pet theory, hitting the aromatics a bit too hard, maybe lol! Keep it up, I’ll keep watching :)
@LouisFriend-pw2nr maybe dude but I love it lmao! Thanks so much!
Are they ships? I seem to recall reading in an item somewhere that they're coffins.
Great video! Marika is still responsible for the crimes of the Golden Order. Also she should have thought about the consequences of the shattering. She shattered the Elden Ring because of Godwyn's death, now look what happened? Out of all the demigods only Ranni is alive. I am not even talking about Godfrey and Maliketh. Out of all slain beings only Radagon and Elden Beast had to die.
Thanks so much dragon!!! Definitely! I don’t disagree with that she is responsible!!
So, *contents of the video in mind* I think, you're on to something about Mogh, Margitt, & Godwyn( please gods do not lem me have f-d up that name). That Golden Boy was the one that Merika could love, because he didn't remind her of her trauma. Now, to take that one step forward, Ranni. Who did Ranni slay so she could shed her body? Golden Child. Because Radagon left Ranni's mother, to go be Merika's consort. To *hurt* Merika the most.
Marika is mommy
😭🙏
true in both senses really
@hermeister3870 I guess 😭
So Alexander is basically Numen
If my theory is correct then yeppp
10:40 That is her real grandmother
I love this theory!!!
Oh nahh , I been hating Marika since the DLC but also thinking it was a matter of time because some details changes the meaning of her ambitions... Is this it?
Curious to see what you think after the video 🤫
I wouldn't say hero at all. She's been more humanized which proves that no one should hold the status of a God
That’s a good point to be fair!!
you got it backwards. miquilla shed his physical body, which is what st.trina is. marika shed her physical body and thats radagon. law of regression is radagon wanting to become whole again and marika invited him to be her consort so she has her physical self back allowing her spiritual self to be mortal again
That doesn't fit with the Boc storyline connected to the Rune of the Unborn. Or the fact the misbegotten are called Radagon's children in the game's files. ""In the Japanese version of the game, internal files relating to the Misbegotten are named “Children of Radagon”. In the English version of the game (patch 1.00), the Winged Misbegotten was called a “Radagon chimera.” This may explain why Misbegotten Warriors have red hair like Radagon and how one managed to obtain the Golden Order Greatsword.""Radagon was a Beastman/Giant (Perhaps both) that used the Rune of the Unborn to change himself. The Alchemical Rebis which Marika and Radagon is based on is also about two separate beings being unified. Radagon's giant/beast lineage would explain Radahn and the Red Wolf of Radagon.
@@UnlovedWarlock radagon was the rune of the unborn. he gave it to ranalla. misbegotten are found all over and not all of them have red hair. radagon showed them mercy so they love him. they can be found at the haligtree with blonde hair and those ones love miquilla
@UnlovedWarlock if anything I believe the red-haired misbegotten are from Renalla trying to recreate radagon. The weird creatures in her boss rings were her trying to reborn ranni
"hero" is a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit of a stretch
I have one thing I disagree, I don't think the ability of the shamans to mold together is the same as what happens with Marika/Radagon and Miquella/St. Trina. This type of duality in particular seems to me, to be more of a path to godhood, the way Miquella abandoned his flesh, and from an important part of it St. Trina was born. I think Marika did the same thing, at some point she divested herself of something and that thing became Radagon, and eventually Radagon came back to her. If they were two different beings, killing one needn't necessarily mean the death of the other, but given how Trina dies after we kill Miquella, and I don't think Thiollier would kill her nor would she have any reason to kill herserf.
It just came to me, what id Numen are seldom born because they only "reproduce" by means of asexual reproduction by discarting the flesh, the way Miquella did with St. Trina, and even maybe how Malenia and Miquella were born from a single entity
Not to be a dick again.. 😅 but those are coffins. Made entirely of stone. Doesn't really jive with floating...ships. But they could be! Coffins float for no reason in ER. Lol
I don’t think they are, are they? I mean they’ve got the front bit of the ship, personally can’t see where they would open it if it was a coffin. Looks like they’re ships that have been thrown out the water at the cliffs?
@@theemeraldgecko310The area St. Trina is found is called the Stone Coffin Rift, and its filled with those stone "ships." Plus, you find Ghost Glovewort on each of them. They might have been part of a Lands Between version of Viking ship burial.
@TGZ-vx1it that’s actually a really good point! Thanks for sharing this, feel like a bit of a goober
0:29 😂😂😂
Calling Marika a hero is a huge stretch, given the atrocities she committed against the giants, the dragons, etc…
I wouldn't describe a hero as someone free from crime. It's more of someone's hero is someone else's villain
Marika is bae ❤😂
Whether its justified or not, genocide is still genocide.
Godwyn the lucky one
Too true man
hero, the hell you talking about lol
Just my opinion:)
Marika did nothing wrong.
This title 😂😂😂
I'm french, so, someone can explain me?^^'
Marika is much less evil than we think, poor Marika boo boo
Merika is no hero
Path of vengeance is not being a hero .
I agree, but she stopped the torture of any more souls?