What do you guys think of this match up? I thought the Barracuda would run away with it considering that 440... but that didn't exactly happen. Two great cars!
I'm a Mopar man myself, but that Torino is pretty badass. That's what I love about the Muscle Car era, there aren't any cars that weren't cool. I appreciate what everyone was bringing to the table.
make any mistake at all and the big block American iron would take the lights,wrong slicks,too much timing,too little timing,tight valves anything wrong at all,you'd lose to the big blocks,it was more fun than we have a right to,miss those screaming big blocks stretching it out in second gear,the noise the sounds,yeah better times
Well said, 1963 - 1971 was an amazing time for American auto manufactures, they really put out some BEAUTIFUL cars back then Ford, GM and Dodge all did, they were performers to! At least in a straight line lol.
Nice video, thanks for putting it together! The red ‘cuda is mine... it was my first time ever out with it. We changed spark plugs right before eliminations and it started misfiring as I staged - the #8 plug wire fell off the plug (old wires), hence the horrible first pass. The 440 in the car is pretty tired, and it will be back with a new engine soon. Hat is off to the gentleman who owns the Torino - he has a beautiful car, and we had a great time racing!
Ah yes, I talked to you for a while about that one then. Probably my favorite of the year. Video for sure coming, but I am waiting for all the official stats from PSMCDR first (weight, engine ratings, rear gear ratio)
Beautiful car. Do they allow unrestored cars at the Pure Stock events? I have a '68 Charger with a 383. It's about as stock and original as it can get. It's just been back on the road since last October after being stored since 1978. But it doesn't look good. It's an Ohio car so it has some rust and the paint is pretty dull. Just wondering. I would love to drive at a pure stock event because that is what these cars are built for.
the 428 super cobra-jet cars were magnificent,screaming tire smoking sobs,they gave my 440-6 challenger hell,we were always door to half a door at the finish lite,buddy had a 428 torino that turned 11.0 at the finish line,those were the days man
I always loved the 69 Fairlane Cobra, 428CJ & 428SCJ in the coupe body. Most remember the fastback, but the coupe was around 80lbs lighter & a semi-sleeper due to the coupe body.
@@strattuner The 428 was a great motor I'm not sure why they bothered with the 429 most of them, even the super cobras, were stones that got beat regularly by small blocks.
Agreed.....Despite 40+ years of tall-tales and 1/4 miles in the 12s, these numbers seem close to what the magazines would have tested them at for E.T.s
I Love the Clevelands and the 429-460 BBF,S, Just something about those Huge Canted Valve Cylinder Heads. I ran Clevelands for years long time ago in my 86 Mustang, made the switch to a 521 Stroked 460 bout 10 Years Ago. The Low End Power of the Big Block is just insane. But i still have Love for the Clevelands, the 71 Boss 351 Mustang was the Hottest Cleveland from the factory. The 351 Cleveland is the Baddest Small Block to come out of Detroit, imo. Would've been nice to see the Clevelands come out a few years earlier, 1970 was the First Year, right when they were putting the brakes on all the High Performance Engines. Just like the 429 Cobra Jets, and Super Cobra Jets, hit the scene in 1970 also, i believe. There so much potential nowadays for the 429-460 platform, Kaase doing some awesome cylinder heads for them, and a really strong bottom end, especially with some Scat Forged Steel Cranks and Rods, along with other aftermarket companies. The Clevelands and the 429-460,s Will always be my Favorite Ford Engines. Two completely different animals, Super High Reving Cleveland, and a Freaking Brute Powerhouse Low End Torque Monster, and you can still wind em up pretty good also, I'm turning 7200 rpm at the end of the 1/4 mile with my BBF. I Love em both.
The baddest small block came out in the 1969 Z28. It was only rated at 290 ponies. However when you opened the trunk you would find the correct intake (aluminum) with the crossram Holley 650 special package per Z28 line carburetors which boosted horsepower up over 500. The heads breathed th3 same as the 427 Big Block Chevy heads. The only better Camaro for 1969 was the ZL1 with the all aluminum 427 BB. It pumped out 600+ horsepower
@@johnverrocchi4296 I think you're a little optimistic with your numbers. True, the DZ 302 was rated at 290 horsepower, but with all the goodies it put out more like 390 horsepower. "Over 500" is quite a stretch, and the small block heads didn't breath anywhere nearly as well as the rectangle port big block heads, either. For the record, the ZL1 (and the L88, identical to the ZL1 except for it's iron block) with headers and a good tune generally was good for around 560-580 hp or so, NOT 600 plus.
@@1965l88 The Z-28 heads breathed as well as the BB Chevy 427 heads. This short stroke, big breathing, motor could. rev 7500 RPM, and that is where the true horsepower rating is actually at.
@Mason George Yes, i agree with you, ran Clevelands for years, that oiling issue is actually an easy fix, but it was a bad design. Really no issue if you don't rev the Shit out of them, but you gotta rev a Cleveland With those huge cylinder heads. I've made the switch to a Stroked 460 BBF at 521 cubes about 10-11 years ago. With the aftermarket coming out with excellent cylinder heads nowadays the 429-460 platform is an excellent choice for a high performance engine.
A 440 Charger or Bee would have been a better match against the Torino, which is much heavier than the Cuda'. Would love to see a Boss 429 against a 440 or HEMI Cuda'.
When I was a kid my dads best friend had a 70 Torino 429 CJ and he pulled up in our yard one night after running from the police. He beat the police by several minutes and was already in our house sitting down when there was a knock at the door. The officer who stayed inside while the rest searched his car and arrested him said "Thats the fastest car Ive ever seen in my life. Watching him drive was like a movie."
I love these cars. I served my high schools year from ‘73 to ‘77 when these were everyday drivers. We raced in from of the high school on our lunch time.
When I was a kid my dad had a buddy who had the 70 model Torino with the 429 4 speed and it was THE baddest in town. He got into police chases and was told that that car was so fast that it was like watching a movie. When he would drag race he would launch in 2nd gear everytime.
@@shanchauhan8281 I heard the Torino chirp in 3rd... Ford got the better driver fo sho. Cuda would have won if he were driving it instead. But nonetheless OP Original statement carries weight since it was all cuda first 1/8th then that 429 reeled him in. Great race. Cars like that have awesome owners, not necessarily awesome drivers. Money don't buy sense.
The Torino had lower ET's and higher speeds through the traps in both races. The Cuda got the jump off the line in the second race, but the Torino caught up and passed the Cuda. Seems like the announcer misspoke at the end of the second race?
Sometimes it can be deceiving. The first to cross the line wins.... but the ETs they post are time-trial times, so the clock doesn't start until the car actually moves (so essentially the reaction time is removed from the ET). So a car can win with a lower MPH and a higher ET if they have a significantly better launch/reaction than the other car.
@@CarsAndZebras I was surprised how well the Torino stood up against the Cuda, considering the Torino is a bigger, heavier intermediate sized car and the Cuda is a smaller, lighter pony car. I wonder what the results would have been if instead of a Cuda, a bigger, heavier Intermediate sized car like a Charger or Road Runner with a 440 went up against the Torino?
I had a 73 340 cuda, original owner at the time. I had headers, manifold, 780 dual feed carb, , 3500 stall speed torque converter, with 410 gears pushing it. I'm happy to say I never and I mean never, lost to any 396 chevelle. Alot of them came looking for me back in 74,75 and 1976, and they regretted it at the end of the day. Those were the best times it seems like. I would like to see more 340's if you have any.
I'm a Mopar guy first but I love both of these cars. The 70 Torino Cobra 429 SCJ is probably my favorite Ford ever made other than a 63 1/2 or a 65 Galaxie R-Code 427 or a 67 Fairlane R-Code 427. The 69 Fairlane Cobra 428 CJ/SCJ and Mercury Cyclone CJ fastbacks were beautiful cars too I always thought as well as the 70 Cyclone Spoiler 429 CJ/SCJ. Love the nose of the 70 Cyclone Spoiler. Such a mean looking car. Actually like it a little better than the 70 T
Ford guy here...great race of 2 classic muscle cars. I've always preferred Mopar's over Chevy's as my second choice manufacturer, although if I could get my hands on a '67 427 SS Impala I'd go jump on it. Definitely in line with you on your Ford selections, except I'd prefer a '64 Galaxie R-code over the '65. Both the 63-1/2 and '64 R-codes 2-doors are on my "dream list". A '64 Fairlane Thunderbolt would definetely be "lottery material". LOL!
My cousin ordered a 1970 429 Mustang. Grabber blue. It came in April of 1970, He got leave from Vietnam. To come home. His brother Albert picked it up, before he got home. The entire Family was there 200 people. To see Bobby's reaction! It was just awesome. Bobby gave all the family members rides. It was the scariest car I have ever ridden in to this day. My brother in-law had a 1971 Chevelle ss 454. They raced together but, that Mustang was scary BYW his Brother ordered a 1970 Nova 427 poverty car. I rode in it once as well. Just scary. I'm restoring Montego with a 351 Cleveland, 1970 I have always loved those huge noses on them
This is absolutely fantastic to watch, pity I live in Australia, love to come over just to watch this type of drag racing. The way I see it the first one across the line wins if you both take off from the line at the same time. If you are on the street & street racing there is no second chance. If you fall asleep on the wheel & take off 2 seconds later because you were on the phone that's your bad luck. At the end of the day you can't turn around & make up some bull shit excuse he got a 2 second jump on me that's why he won the race. You have to be Johnny on the Spot reading the Christmas tree, because there is no second prize, people remember winners not losers. The Cuda had the lower ET but read the lights & got the jump on the Torino, I am a Mopar Guy through & through & all these muscle cars are beautiful to the max. Keep the great video's coming, one of the best thing on RUclips
Very Nice, it's hard to put Down a 429-460 Ford. Granted there wasn't any High Performance 460 Engines but the 429-460 makes for a Great Platform to Build a High Performance Engine, Running a Stroked 460 in my 1986 Fox Body, and Love it. Ran a Cleveland in it for years, thought i would miss that High Reving Cleveland, but the Low End Torque of the Big Block is Hard to Beat. Going Low Nines on a 275/60 Drag Radial, Naturally Aspirated through a 1000 cfm Holley 4150, Out of the Box Trickflow Street/Strip Heads, Mild Solid Roller, C-4 No Brake, 8" Converter, 8.8 with 3.90 Gears, Spool. 10.4:1 Compression. Pretty Streetable Combo. 521 Cubes. I Love watching these Almost Stock Muscle Cars going at it. (Especially watching the Fords Beating Up on Everything Else)
My father had a 1970 Mach 1 with a 460...DOVE-C iron heads, ported and polished, massive lift cam...single 950 Holley...that car was a certified nightmare
@@jquest43 I honestly don't know the similarities between the the 385s and the 335s but I do know they were both developed and released around the same time. I never understood why Ford stuck with the Windors small blocks. The 335s were a newer motor and performed better.After the oil embargo they got reduced to choked down smog motors and only saw the inside of a truck.
What's so sad was the fact that after pulling out racing at the end of the 1970 season, Ford pretty much abandoned it's over the counter high performance parts program. Due to the efforts of dedicated racers like Robert Yates and the Elliott's along with the popularity of the Fox Mustang, Ford eventually got back on the ball. The 385 engine definitely suffered from the decade and a half of neglect.
@@joemama1151 It's basically the Cylinder Heads, Huge Valves and Ports, Canted Valve Arrangement. I ran Clevelands for years, made the switch to a Stroked 460, now it's 521 cubes. The Clevelands and the 429-460 engines are my Favorites. I will always be running one or the other under my hood. Most likely will always be BBF for the Dragstrip, and I'm still holding onto a 4 Bolt Main Cleveland Block, for some High Performance Street Use. The aftermarket really coming on strong finally for both of these set-ups Kaase does some Killer BBF Heads, the SR-71 Heads are incredible, And CHI been doing Cleveland Heads for a while now. Both are Great Engines. The durability of the 429-460 Blocks, along with some nice Forged Steel Cranks and Rods, are second to none. I like the Scat Crank and Rods personally, but there's plenty more out there for this BBF platform.
Love that SCJ ! In the early ‘70’s my brother would take me out in his 70 1/2 Falcon Ranchero, 429 SCJ and I was glued to the seat trying to reach the dash, (after his taunting). His was outfitted with the 3:90 gears.
A friend of mine had a Toronto GT with the 302 and a 4.30 rear end that car would dust 396 chevelle 396 camaros 442s it was the ultimate sleeper its gearing mad it so fast in the eighth and quarter mile it just blew those big blocks away now if it went more than a quarter it was going to lose to them but in the quarter it was fast every body thought it was a 428 with out badging quite the awsome care for a small block ford
Nice to see a little respect for the Ford for a change. Ford only got serious about Drag racing for a small period in time. And a lot of people would try and Race the Family car with bad results. We all know most factory Ford's were not intended For Drag racing. But the one's that were did very well. My point is; it was easier and cheaper to race a GM or Chrysler And their Companies offered much more sponsorship and parts to race than Ford did. I believe that's how Ford didn't Have as good a reputation in Drag racing. But when old Uncle Henry got serious about winning races, He never lost.
Hello Mr CA Zebras, I myself thought the Mighty Plymouth 440 would prevail but I suspect the Ford operator was willing to thrash his car a little more. Bravo Sir, bravo.
Hi Theodore. Thanks for your comment. I also thought the ‘Cuda had won the second round, but according to the ET numbers, the Torino edged the ‘Cuda 13.71 to 13.78.
Now they rate the horsepower sometimes at rpms beyond what the rev limiter will turn, and sometimes even without accessories. That is false advertising. It should be brake horsepower, at the wheel. That is the true way to compare apples to apples.
@@bradcarroll3719 its quite literally the exact opposite. you're describing gross horsepower, which is what they used to rate old engines. not new engines.
In 1968 I had a new 68 Barracuda, 340 formula S. I took it to the strip a few times and it constantly ran 13.6 to 13.9 and it could do that all day. It wasn't totally stock, it had slicks and headers. So I guess you could say that car was a giant killer lol. The best thing was racing Corvette's, I had no problem with them except for the 427s. The look on a Corvette's owner face was priceless, they just had there clock cleaned by that little Barracuda. Not Cuda, the name change didn't come until 1970.
I'm a Ford guy but I thought maybe the 440 might pull it off but then again I've had a couple of 429 Fords and they are bad-ass. Both are awesome cars.
@@AlejandroP1980s very sad. I destroyed my Torinos perfect interior by accidentally leaving a tube of cream hardener (for bondo) on the seat in the sun. Exploded in the car and fumes melted the gauge lens and made every plastic/vinyl surface gooey
I got a chance to race a 429 cobra jet Torino, with my 68 Coronet on the street... He came around me by surprise with the hammer down and pulled ahead three car-lengths before I got the 440 up to full power. It took nearly all of the Mansfield Bridge (about 1/4 mile) to even up, but the next 1/4 mile was all mine. I passed him on an uphill grade at close to 115mph, and took his lane away from him. I always wanted a 429 Mustang, but Mopars were in my blood.
@Tim Hallas I had a 1969 Mach 1 , .had the 351cleveland ,, I know what they go for , a 428cj or 428 scj would be a 6 figure deal , a friend of mine has an original all matching numbers Boss 429 mustang , only problem is the car is in pieces ,started a total restoration on it and just hasn’t finished it , he’s about 69 years old so its questionable whether it will ever get done ,about 2 months ago , I ran across a 69 Shelby Gt 33,000 original miles all number match , it went for 115,000 , , it was a nice one .
No it would only have been the race car if it was the boss 429 Hemi headed 429 this was just a Super Cobra Jet there's about +90 horsepower difference doofus..
@@raymondwagoner4896 LOL... that JUNK Ford low performance 429 beat the big bad 440 mopar all you Mouth breather Mopar addicts keep talking CRAP about.. youre feeble minded
RICK ERDMAN his engine was running poorly and was misfiring. Read the owners fucking comment and stop being so butt hurt at the the that the mopar would do better.
@@rickerdman5772 Too bad with all of the SJW's and Antifa and environmentalist Prius driving idiots out there us muscle car guys can't get along. I've owned all 3 of the Big 3 cars and they all have good and bad points and it just matters what day it is as to which one will win in a race. Right now in my garage I have a '69 GTO, '61 Catalina, '68 Charger, '70 Challenger R/T, '65 Mustang fastback and a '69 LTD with a 429. All beautiful cars, all unique to drive and all great in their own right.
First time here and I'm Blowing my Mind!!! So many Beautiful Cars, one better than the other, I'm really digging that Super Bee, this is the Chanell for me.......SUBSCRIBED! 🎸💚
@@yohann1155 because the Ford driver was asleep at the line, Cuda made the time up in the beginning of the race, the first one to cross the stripe wins no matter what the time is
@@yohann1155 Because it's still all about who crosses the finish line first. The 'Cuda beat the Torino pretty soundly off the line, and had enough of a jump on it to get to the finish line first despite being a tiny bit slower.
that SCJ 429 trapping 106 MPH with 4:30s would probably be quicker off the line if it wasn't so damn heavy. I wonder what the 60' times are. Both are outstanding examples of late '60s early '70s muscle
it had 3.90 and with what I could tell a 4 spd the Cuda had 4.10 so the gears were near the same but I'm almost certain the Cuda had a automatic and that is what slowed him down the 727 auto eat up damn near 40 hp if they were both 4 spd cars the Cuda would of had him
Larry's really upset folks. He's been all over these post crying about the Mopar losing. If anyone sees him running around yelling with his hands in the air, just hand him a crayon to chew on and he'll calm down.
There is no way in hell that Torino was stock---it never came from the factory with a high duration cam like that. And the owner of the Cuda might want to see where his horses escaped to--back in the day, they were routinely tested at high 13's. If they were both actually stock and running correctly, the 440 would've thumped the Ford like a drum
@@justsumguy2u Have you read the rules? The cam has to have duration at .050 within 1% of stock and lift within 2% of stock. The only thing it looks like they can play around with is centerline and cam timing. Sure, you can get more power for drag racing by doing that but that doesn't change the duration. I don't know the cam specs for the Ford or the Plymouth but my GTO has a Ram Air IV cam that has 231/240 degrees at .050. That's a lot of duration for a stock cam but I'm sure the Magnum cam in the 'Cuda and the SCJ cam in the Torino are equally as hot.
Nice classic race. Ford fan. But still a Torino & Cuda. Great challenge race. 👏. Classic muscle always good to see older cars, hot rods and more on the track👍. Only if Ford dies it right ✅ for them to come out with a redesigned Torino. Then it will blend in with the Challenger. Of course with options. Ford screwed up the T Bird comeback. Just a thought though, who knows 🤔.
What I don't understand is how RUclips videos show that a 1970 Red Torino 429 scj can vary with times of 13.71 vs Red Cuba with 440 of 13.78 on here to another 1970 Torino 429 scj of 12.93 to a Transam of 13.23 to a 1970 Red Torino 429scj of 13.64 vs a Camaross396 of 13.59 to a 1970 Torino 429scj with 13.08 vs Olds w-31 which wound up doing real bad so didn't write down time to finally a 1970 Torino 429scj of 12.72 to a 1969 Yenko 427 Camaro of 12.0 then 12.59. Then it was mentioned that Motor Trend ran a 1970 Torino 429 scj with 4 speed and driver to 4206 lbs. to a 13.99 time in Feb. 1970. These times ranged so badly that I thought maybe read end as one guy stated that stock was geared 3.91 with Detroit Locker gearing being 4.30 but that couldn't be right as narrator advised 1970 Red Torino with 429scj had 4.57 factory gearing for 12.72 race vs 1969 Yenko 427 Camaro so something else had to account for difference of 1.27 seconds so what?????
The Cuda is listed as 390 HP which means it was a six-pack car. It should have turned a much lower ET than a 14.57. I drag raced one back in the 70s and it was a 13 second car all day. The 14.30 is about right for the SCJ car although a bit more could be squeezed out.
Something I've noticed at this track, the left lane seems to mostly be the quicker lane. The track owners need to fix that to give both cars an equal footing. JMO.
I grew up when these cars were brand new and had/drove some of them. I know how it really went down on the streets. I never saw a big block Torino take a 440 Cuda. Just flat never happened. Not when both were stock. Shoot, my 68 340 GTS Dart ate up more than one 396 Chevelle. Plenty of 390 Fords.
B W The 340 small block is no slouch, but a good running 396 is too much for it. A coworker at Jewel back in the mid 80s had a '69 Chevelle 396 4-speed 4.11 gears. Another guy (a friend of a friend) was talking smack that his "built" 383 Coronet (early 70's?) would take the 396. In the parking lot race, The Chevelle beat it by a car length+ every time. They needed enough time to slow down before they went over the embankment, lol.
Very odd that the Cuda's MPH varied a lot (6.5 mph) between the two races. The Torino's driver was way more consistent. Impressive MPH for a stock 429 Torino!
Its the Gears ...Torino 4.30 Gears the mopar 4.10,... would like to see what ratio transmission gears ratios the cars have ...they are all 1.00 to 1.00 in 4th gear
@@louf7178 A '66 GTO with a 389/3 2bbl with the right gears and a good driver could run right at 14.0. I've seen it before. A Charger with a 440/6 Pack would run a couple of tenths faster. I'm assuming it was a '70 Charger since that was the most popular year for it to have a 6 Pack. The '70 Charger was notoriously nose heavy so getting it to a 13.8 or so like the road tests show took a really, really good driver. If some kid or inexperienced 20 something owned the car then it was probably running 15.0's due to poor driving. I have been drag racing since I was 14. I'm 51. I have a '69 GTO I got when I was 15. It was just a standard 350hp 400 but only had 63k miles when I got it. I went from 15.30's the first 6 or 8 times down at the track to 14.6's by about the 40th or 50th time at the track. And that's about 3 to 4 tenths quicker than the pros got when the car was new. The driver makes a huge difference.
@@1967davethewave Thanks for the explanation. Good driving, and good writing. I had a '66 400+.030/3x2, 744 (?) cam, Pertronics ignition, close ratio 4-speed and 3.55:1 (standard) rear gear but only cruised around (+/-). I regretfully had to sell it and never got a chance to time run it.
Nice work by the Torino... a heavier car with a smaller engine takes the crown. It seems like the mopars can't win without some "tunings" before the race.
What do you guys think of this match up? I thought the Barracuda would run away with it considering that 440... but that didn't exactly happen. Two great cars!
thought the cuda would win, is is a six pack car or just a 440 magnum with one 4bbl?
First. On. Race. Day.
@@andrewp1998 390hp six pack
@@hishok3332 its actually more tnat that
@@andrewp1998 well advertised it had 390hp but all of them had way more horsepower
I'm a Mopar man myself, but that Torino is pretty badass.
That's what I love about the Muscle Car era, there aren't any cars that weren't cool. I appreciate what everyone was bringing to the table.
In my next video I’m going to feature this same Torino and it’s history. Pretty impressive cars!
You said it. I'm a Mopar guy too but I'd be proud to drive that Torino any day!!!
make any mistake at all and the big block American iron would take the lights,wrong slicks,too much timing,too little timing,tight valves anything wrong at all,you'd lose to the big blocks,it was more fun than we have a right to,miss those screaming big blocks stretching it out in second gear,the noise the sounds,yeah better times
Well said, 1963 - 1971 was an amazing time for American auto manufactures, they really put out some BEAUTIFUL cars back then Ford, GM and Dodge all did, they were performers to! At least in a straight line lol.
@Rusell Shaw The Ford F.E engine's were absolute torque monsters.
Nice video, thanks for putting it together! The red ‘cuda is mine... it was my first time ever out with it. We changed spark plugs right before eliminations and it started misfiring as I staged - the #8 plug wire fell off the plug (old wires), hence the horrible first pass. The 440 in the car is pretty tired, and it will be back with a new engine soon. Hat is off to the gentleman who owns the Torino - he has a beautiful car, and we had a great time racing!
Were you out this year? Not sure if I saw it.
@@CarsAndZebras I was there with the "barn find" '68 Hurst/Olds. The 'cuda stayed home since the new engine isn't done. Hopefully next year.
Ah yes, I talked to you for a while about that one then. Probably my favorite of the year. Video for sure coming, but I am waiting for all the official stats from PSMCDR first (weight, engine ratings, rear gear ratio)
Beautiful car. Do they allow unrestored cars at the Pure Stock events? I have a '68 Charger with a 383. It's about as stock and original as it can get. It's just been back on the road since last October after being stored since 1978. But it doesn't look good. It's an Ohio car so it has some rust and the paint is pretty dull. Just wondering. I would love to drive at a pure stock event because that is what these cars are built for.
I was wondering if there was something wrong with the cuda because that 6 pack is a monster and I expected a better et
429 cobra jet torino has always been my favorite of the muscle cars, you just never see them more so w/4 speed
todd lecher rare as hens teeth brother.
the 428 super cobra-jet cars were magnificent,screaming tire smoking sobs,they gave my 440-6 challenger hell,we were always door to half a door at the finish lite,buddy had a 428 torino that turned 11.0 at the finish line,those were the days man
I always loved the 69 Fairlane Cobra, 428CJ & 428SCJ in the coupe body. Most remember the fastback, but the coupe was around 80lbs lighter & a semi-sleeper due to the coupe body.
@@strattuner The 428 was a great motor I'm not sure why they bothered with the 429 most of them, even the super cobras, were stones that got beat regularly by small blocks.
I prefer the 1971 Torino’s
There we go 2 actually stock muscle cars racing. Those E.t ' s are consistent with when these cars came out.
yep truly stock cars
Agreed.....Despite 40+ years of tall-tales and 1/4 miles in the 12s, these numbers seem close to what the magazines would have tested them at for E.T.s
Snow Crest 106 mph for the cobra jet is pretty serious. That’s mid 12s with a better tire
Muscle cars are so damn cool, but obscure muscle cars? Even more so, just beautiful.
Just wait... in a couple weeks I have one coming that will definitely surprise you.
351 clevelands and the 429's were really detuned. All you need is a cam and decent carb to get 75-100 more horses.
I Love the Clevelands and the 429-460 BBF,S, Just something about those Huge Canted Valve Cylinder Heads. I ran Clevelands for years long time ago in my 86 Mustang, made the switch to a 521 Stroked 460 bout 10 Years Ago. The Low End Power of the Big Block is just insane. But i still have Love for the Clevelands, the 71 Boss 351 Mustang was the Hottest Cleveland from the factory. The 351 Cleveland is the Baddest Small Block to come out of Detroit, imo. Would've been nice to see the Clevelands come out a few years earlier, 1970 was the First Year, right when they were putting the brakes on all the High Performance Engines. Just like the 429 Cobra Jets, and Super Cobra Jets, hit the scene in 1970 also, i believe. There so much potential nowadays for the 429-460 platform, Kaase doing some awesome cylinder heads for them, and a really strong bottom end, especially with some Scat Forged Steel Cranks and Rods, along with other aftermarket companies. The Clevelands and the 429-460,s Will always be my Favorite Ford Engines. Two completely different animals, Super High Reving Cleveland, and a Freaking Brute Powerhouse Low End Torque Monster, and you can still wind em up pretty good also, I'm turning 7200 rpm at the end of the 1/4 mile with my BBF. I Love em both.
The baddest small block came out in the 1969 Z28. It was only rated at 290 ponies. However when you opened the trunk you would find the correct intake (aluminum) with the crossram Holley 650 special package per Z28 line carburetors which boosted horsepower up over 500. The heads breathed th3 same as the 427 Big Block Chevy heads. The only better Camaro for 1969 was the ZL1 with the all aluminum 427 BB. It pumped out 600+ horsepower
@@johnverrocchi4296 I think you're a little optimistic with your numbers. True, the DZ 302 was rated at 290 horsepower, but with all the goodies it put out more like 390 horsepower. "Over 500" is quite a stretch, and the small block heads didn't breath anywhere nearly as well as the rectangle port big block heads, either. For the record, the ZL1 (and the L88, identical to the ZL1 except for it's iron block) with headers and a good tune generally was good for around 560-580 hp or so, NOT 600 plus.
@@1965l88 The Z-28 heads breathed as well as the BB Chevy 427 heads. This short stroke, big breathing, motor could. rev 7500 RPM, and that is where the true horsepower rating is actually at.
@Mason George Yes, i agree with you, ran Clevelands for years, that oiling issue is actually an easy fix, but it was a bad design. Really no issue if you don't rev the Shit out of them, but you gotta rev a Cleveland With those huge cylinder heads. I've made the switch to a Stroked 460 BBF at 521 cubes about 10-11 years ago. With the aftermarket coming out with excellent cylinder heads nowadays the 429-460 platform is an excellent choice for a high performance engine.
My experiences with equally prepared 428's and 429's, the 429 takes it every time. But, I would take the 427 side-oiler over either one of them.
That makes 2 of us!
I agree my 427 stroker was a bad ass in my 1970 mustang
@@robbiematney6661 427 side oiler is a FE Big Block, a 427 Stroker is based on a 351 Windsor Small Block.
@@badass6.0powerstroke10 you are correct. My 427 stroker was a side Oiler FE with a 428 FE crank
@@robbiematney6661 O.K. i see, you did a real FE Stroker. Usually when you hear 427 Stroker, first thing i assume is a 351 W based Stroker.
A 440 Charger or Bee would have been a better match against the Torino, which is much heavier than the Cuda'. Would love to see a Boss 429 against a 440 or HEMI Cuda'.
These cars are so close it's the drivers who win!
Troy Allen that’s the best part, close racing. Damn I love it.
When I was a kid my dads best friend had a 70 Torino 429 CJ and he pulled up in our yard one night after running from the police. He beat the police by several minutes and was already in our house sitting down when there was a knock at the door. The officer who stayed inside while the rest searched his car and arrested him said "Thats the fastest car Ive ever seen in my life. Watching him drive was like a movie."
I love these cars. I served my high schools year from ‘73 to ‘77 when these were everyday drivers. We raced in from of the high school on our lunch time.
One of the faster Torino's out there, heavy car 300+ lbs on a lot of cars, that 4.30 Detroit Locker helps a lot !! : )
Don't Screw this up guy ! Want at least Two races ,And the times thereof .You are one of the Best Drag Race sites on RUclips .Don't Change it !
When I was a kid my dad had a buddy who had the 70 model Torino with the 429 4 speed and it was THE baddest in town. He got into police chases and was told that that car was so fast that it was like watching a movie. When he would drag race he would launch in 2nd gear everytime.
Uh huh
Thanks for bringing these pure stock drags and I like the information on the vehicles.
Thanks for watching!
71 mach 1 had scj 429 with auto,air,power windows. a beast loved it!
What happened to it?
The SCJ Torino was STOMPING.
The owner always has that car ready to go!
Here we have the superior breathing head design of the Ford 429 Super CobraJet over the torque monster 440-6pack Mopar.
Just wanted to comment on yours since nobody else did, what you've stated is directly pertinent differentiating those two engines.
Art Tafil Here we have a 429 kicking the crap out of a 440. Nothing new.
Mel Rose yup
@Larry Niles yeah and the ford still won
@@shanchauhan8281 I heard the Torino chirp in 3rd... Ford got the better driver fo sho.
Cuda would have won if he were driving it instead. But nonetheless OP Original statement carries weight since it was all cuda first 1/8th then that 429 reeled him in.
Great race. Cars like that have awesome owners, not necessarily awesome drivers. Money don't buy sense.
The Torino had lower ET's and higher speeds through the traps in both races. The Cuda got the jump off the line in the second race, but the Torino caught up and passed the Cuda. Seems like the announcer misspoke at the end of the second race?
Sometimes it can be deceiving. The first to cross the line wins.... but the ETs they post are time-trial times, so the clock doesn't start until the car actually moves (so essentially the reaction time is removed from the ET). So a car can win with a lower MPH and a higher ET if they have a significantly better launch/reaction than the other car.
@@CarsAndZebras I was surprised how well the Torino stood up against the Cuda, considering the Torino is a bigger, heavier intermediate sized car and the Cuda is a smaller, lighter pony car. I wonder what the results would have been if instead of a Cuda, a bigger, heavier Intermediate sized car like a Charger or Road Runner with a 440 went up against the Torino?
@@trucking604 Exactly what I was thinking. The same package in a B Body, and the Torino would have had a more appropriate race.
@@CarsAndZebras In other words, the Torino won, the Torino driver lost.
Trucking 604. The results would have been worse!
I had a 73 340 cuda, original owner at the time. I had headers, manifold, 780 dual feed carb, , 3500 stall speed torque converter, with 410 gears pushing it. I'm happy to say I never and I mean never, lost to any 396 chevelle. Alot of them came looking for me back in 74,75 and 1976, and they regretted it at the end of the day. Those were the best times it seems like. I would like to see more 340's if you have any.
Big blocks are over rated, nothing like a good running light weight small block car.
I'm a Mopar guy first but I love both of these cars. The 70 Torino Cobra 429 SCJ is probably my favorite Ford ever made other than a 63 1/2 or a 65 Galaxie R-Code 427 or a 67 Fairlane R-Code 427. The 69 Fairlane Cobra 428 CJ/SCJ and Mercury Cyclone CJ fastbacks were beautiful cars too I always thought as well as the 70 Cyclone Spoiler 429 CJ/SCJ. Love the nose of the 70 Cyclone Spoiler. Such a mean looking car. Actually like it a little better than the 70 T
70 Torino Cobra
me too, love the mopars but some of those fords are cool looking like the 69 gt350 and 500 mustangs
Ford guy here...great race of 2 classic muscle cars. I've always preferred Mopar's over Chevy's as my second choice manufacturer, although if I could get my hands on a '67 427 SS Impala I'd go jump on it. Definitely in line with you on your Ford selections, except I'd prefer a '64 Galaxie R-code over the '65. Both the 63-1/2 and '64 R-codes 2-doors are on my "dream list". A '64 Fairlane Thunderbolt would definetely be "lottery material". LOL!
It's crazy how BOTH cars ran the 2nd round about a full half a second faster.
My cousin ordered a 1970 429 Mustang. Grabber blue. It came in April of 1970, He got leave from Vietnam. To come home. His brother Albert picked it up, before he got home. The entire Family was there 200 people. To see Bobby's reaction! It was just awesome. Bobby gave all the family members rides. It was the scariest car I have ever ridden in to this day. My brother in-law had a 1971 Chevelle ss 454. They raced together but, that Mustang was scary BYW his Brother ordered a 1970 Nova 427 poverty car. I rode in it once as well. Just scary. I'm restoring Montego with a 351 Cleveland, 1970 I have always loved those huge noses on them
This is absolutely fantastic to watch, pity I live in Australia, love to come over just to watch this type of drag racing.
The way I see it the first one across the line wins if you both take off from the line at the same time.
If you are on the street & street racing there is no second chance. If you fall asleep on the wheel & take off 2 seconds later because you were on the phone that's your bad luck. At the end of the day you can't turn around & make up some bull shit excuse he got a 2 second jump on me that's why he won the race.
You have to be Johnny on the Spot reading the Christmas tree, because there is no second prize, people remember winners not losers.
The Cuda had the lower ET but read the lights & got the jump on the Torino, I am a Mopar Guy through & through & all these muscle cars are beautiful to the max.
Keep the great video's coming, one of the best thing on RUclips
Sorry but the Cuda never had the lower ET.
Very Nice, it's hard to put Down a 429-460 Ford. Granted there wasn't any High Performance 460 Engines but the 429-460 makes for a Great Platform to Build a High Performance Engine, Running a Stroked 460 in my 1986 Fox Body, and Love it. Ran a Cleveland in it for years, thought i would miss that High Reving Cleveland, but the Low End Torque of the Big Block is Hard to Beat. Going Low Nines on a 275/60 Drag Radial, Naturally Aspirated through a 1000 cfm Holley 4150, Out of the Box Trickflow Street/Strip Heads, Mild Solid Roller, C-4 No Brake, 8" Converter, 8.8 with 3.90 Gears, Spool. 10.4:1 Compression. Pretty Streetable Combo. 521 Cubes. I Love watching these Almost Stock Muscle Cars going at it. (Especially watching the Fords Beating Up on Everything Else)
My father had a 1970 Mach 1 with a 460...DOVE-C iron heads, ported and polished, massive lift cam...single 950 Holley...that car was a certified nightmare
Those 385 BBFs are awesome motors. The FE gets all the attention but Ford made the switch for a reason.
@@jquest43 I honestly don't know the similarities between the the 385s and the 335s but I do know they were both developed and released around the same time. I never understood why Ford stuck with the Windors small blocks. The 335s were a newer motor and performed better.After the oil embargo they got reduced to choked down smog motors and only saw the inside of a truck.
What's so sad was the fact that after pulling out racing at the end of the 1970 season, Ford pretty much abandoned it's over the counter high performance parts program. Due to the efforts of dedicated racers like Robert Yates and the Elliott's along with the popularity of the Fox Mustang, Ford eventually got back on the ball. The 385 engine definitely suffered from the decade and a half of neglect.
@@joemama1151 It's basically the Cylinder Heads, Huge Valves and Ports, Canted Valve Arrangement. I ran Clevelands for years, made the switch to a Stroked 460, now it's 521 cubes. The Clevelands and the 429-460 engines are my Favorites. I will always be running one or the other under my hood. Most likely will always be BBF for the Dragstrip, and I'm still holding onto a 4 Bolt Main Cleveland Block, for some High Performance Street Use. The aftermarket really coming on strong finally for both of these set-ups Kaase does some Killer BBF Heads, the SR-71 Heads are incredible, And CHI been doing Cleveland Heads for a while now. Both are Great Engines. The durability of the 429-460 Blocks, along with some nice Forged Steel Cranks and Rods, are second to none. I like the Scat Crank and Rods personally, but there's plenty more out there for this BBF platform.
torino such a big heavy car.. soo much torque and raw power!
Love that SCJ ! In the early ‘70’s my brother would take me out in his 70 1/2 Falcon Ranchero, 429 SCJ and I was glued to the seat trying to reach the dash, (after his taunting). His was outfitted with the 3:90 gears.
I prefer Chrysler products but years ago I bought a 70 GT Torino 302 two barrel,the vehicle ran excellent for what it was.
A friend of mine had a Toronto GT with the 302 and a 4.30 rear end that car would dust 396 chevelle 396 camaros 442s it was the ultimate sleeper its gearing mad it so fast in the eighth and quarter mile it just blew those big blocks away now if it went more than a quarter it was going to lose to them but in the quarter it was fast every body thought it was a 428 with out badging quite the awsome care for a small block ford
Killer race. Great video. Both 4 spds. love it. (I just soiled myself. :)
HA! But yeah, but super cool cars.
Nice to see a little respect for the Ford for a change.
Ford only got serious about Drag racing for a small period in time.
And a lot of people would try and
Race the Family car with bad results. We all know most factory Ford's were not intended
For Drag racing. But the one's that were did very well.
My point is; it was easier and cheaper to race a GM or Chrysler
And their Companies offered much more sponsorship and parts to race than Ford did.
I believe that's how Ford didn't
Have as good a reputation in Drag racing.
But when old Uncle Henry got serious about winning races,
He never lost.
Hello Mr CA Zebras, I myself thought the Mighty Plymouth 440 would prevail but I suspect the Ford operator was willing to thrash his car a little more. Bravo Sir, bravo.
Nice 1970 Michigan plates in the CJ Torino. Close races, but Ford beat Mopar this time.
Hi Theodore. Thanks for your comment. I also thought the ‘Cuda had won the second round, but according to the ET numbers, the Torino edged the ‘Cuda 13.71 to 13.78.
Those 429 Cobra Jets were pretty bad ass I rode in one in my teens.
Torino 375 hp on paper-
But close to 400hp out the factory-guys you should know ford by now always underrating the larger engines🤣
All the brands did
Now they rate the horsepower sometimes at rpms beyond what the rev limiter will turn, and sometimes even without accessories. That is false advertising. It should be brake horsepower, at the wheel. That is the true way to compare apples to apples.
@@bradcarroll3719 its quite literally the exact opposite. you're describing gross horsepower, which is what they used to rate old engines. not new engines.
In 1968 I had a new 68 Barracuda, 340 formula S. I took it to the strip a few times and it constantly ran 13.6 to 13.9 and it could do that all day. It wasn't totally stock, it had slicks and headers. So I guess you could say that car was a giant killer lol. The best thing was racing Corvette's, I had no problem with them except for the 427s. The look on a Corvette's owner face was priceless, they just had there clock cleaned by that little Barracuda. Not Cuda, the name change didn't come until 1970.
That was a hell of a race I was surprised the Torino beat him seemed like he had a lot more top end cuz that car is a heavy car
I'm a Ford guy but I thought maybe the 440 might pull it off but then again I've had a couple of 429 Fords and they are bad-ass. Both are awesome cars.
Ford had the most awesome muscle cars and muscle car engines, closely followed by Mopar, they too were awesome. And then there was...Chevy...
LOL they're all good but depending on how they are equipped even some of the small block Chevy's could beat the big block Ford and Dodges
G H Only if the Ford or Mopar are not equipped.
Lol... iknow right, thats why you always see all these mustangs rollin around with chevy 350s in them.
Don't underestimate The 1970 LS6 454 Chevrolet Chevelle 450 horsepower and 500 ft lbs of torque that car is no joke
@@terrypresnell9100 you got that right. I've drove one.
I don't believe the guy in the cuda can gap a sparkplug. Let alone drag race.
This event was an heaven!
It all comes down to the driver in cars this evenly matched!
Thought Mopar would win too .New respect for Cobra Jet engines . Nice videos .Don't mess with Times ! Early ones didn't show times .
Both those cars could run in the low 12's with some simple performance upgrades.
Love the Torino. Had a 70 Torino Gt with the 351 Cleveland and 4spd in the late 70s. Another one I should have kept
My uncle kept his cars but unfortunately they all blow up in the garage as a assassination package house explode gas leak and his cars too
@@AlejandroP1980s very sad. I destroyed my Torinos perfect interior by accidentally leaving a tube of cream hardener (for bondo) on the seat in the sun. Exploded in the car and fumes melted the gauge lens and made every plastic/vinyl surface gooey
Those Torino's were tanks. Likely 4-500 lbs. heavier than the 'Cuda. Great racing.
That Torino is a very nice colour..maroon/cherry metallic red! 😎
I love that Torino I am GM man
Nothing wrong with enjoying multiple muscle cars!
Get off my lawn
I'm a Ford man,,,but like old Chevy trucks..
Super Cobra Jets.Underestimate at your own peril.
More of these fantastic videos please!
I got a chance to race a 429 cobra jet Torino, with my 68 Coronet on the street... He came around me by surprise with the hammer down and pulled ahead three car-lengths before I got the 440 up to full power. It took nearly all of the Mansfield Bridge (about 1/4 mile) to even up, but the next 1/4 mile was all mine. I passed him on an uphill grade at close to 115mph, and took his lane away from him. I always wanted a 429 Mustang, but Mopars were in my blood.
@Tim Hallas I had a 1969 Mach 1 , .had the 351cleveland ,, I know what they go for , a 428cj or 428 scj would be a 6 figure deal , a friend of mine has an original all matching numbers Boss 429 mustang , only problem is the car is in pieces ,started a total restoration on it and just hasn’t finished it , he’s about 69 years old so its questionable whether it will ever get done ,about 2 months ago , I ran across a 69 Shelby Gt 33,000 original miles all number match , it went for 115,000 , , it was a nice one .
Sure.you are lying.
@@rickkowalske4116 That must have been you driving the Ford.
@@timhallas4275 nope.if it was you would have lost
@@rickkowalske4116 If you had the balls to match that big motor.. maybe so.
It's like I'm watching two of my dream girls makeout. This is a good one! 🍻
Ford Torino Is a racecar used in nascar
No it would only have been the race car if it was the boss 429 Hemi headed 429 this was just a Super Cobra Jet there's about +90 horsepower difference doofus..
Fords were always junk.
@@raymondwagoner4896
LOL... that JUNK Ford low performance 429 beat the big bad 440 mopar all you Mouth breather Mopar addicts keep talking CRAP about.. youre feeble minded
RICK ERDMAN his engine was running poorly and was misfiring. Read the owners fucking comment and stop being so butt hurt at the the that the mopar would do better.
@@rickerdman5772 Too bad with all of the SJW's and Antifa and environmentalist Prius driving idiots out there us muscle car guys can't get along. I've owned all 3 of the Big 3 cars and they all have good and bad points and it just matters what day it is as to which one will win in a race. Right now in my garage I have a '69 GTO, '61 Catalina, '68 Charger, '70 Challenger R/T, '65 Mustang fastback and a '69 LTD with a 429. All beautiful cars, all unique to drive and all great in their own right.
What was the outcome of their 3rd race ?
The cars were pretty evenly matched except for the rear end gears. Theres a definite performance difference in 4.10 and 4.30
430 should lose on top.but it went faster on top.that's a hp difference advantage
First time here and I'm Blowing my Mind!!! So many Beautiful Cars, one better than the other, I'm really digging that Super Bee, this is the Chanell for me.......SUBSCRIBED!
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Dumb question......
Cuda 13.78
Torino 13.71
They said Cuda won?
Can someone explain please.
It's called a holeshot win. The cuda crossed the finish line first
@@dhurbz2134 isn't 1/4 mile a "et" race?
How did Cuda cross line first running 0.07 seconds slower than ford?
@@yohann1155 because the Ford driver was asleep at the line, Cuda made the time up in the beginning of the race, the first one to cross the stripe wins no matter what the time is
@@yohann1155 Because it's still all about who crosses the finish line first. The 'Cuda beat the Torino pretty soundly off the line, and had enough of a jump on it to get to the finish line first despite being a tiny bit slower.
Wheres the Zebras for crying out loud. I love old muscle cars but watched a lot of the videos and still waiting for a zebra
Awesome mannn keep uploading these videos 👌❤️
Too bad they didn't match up with a Cyclone Spoiler, that would have been neat to see the run
that SCJ 429 trapping 106 MPH with 4:30s would probably be quicker off the line if it wasn't so damn heavy. I wonder what the 60' times are. Both are outstanding examples of late '60s early '70s muscle
Great video
I appreciate you watching!
There is one thing I feel people are forgetting, the drivers capabilities.
@Larry Niles kooda is lighter footboard was faster sorry Mopar lover
The cuda could have had an automatic too.
The Ford had the better gears and that means alot with motors that are that close
it had 3.90 and with what I could tell a 4 spd the Cuda had 4.10 so the gears were near the same but I'm almost certain the Cuda had a automatic and that is what slowed him down the 727 auto eat up damn near 40 hp if they were both 4 spd cars the Cuda would of had him
79tazman Excuses Excuses, the Cuda got whipped so get over it!
No the Ford had 4:30 the coda had4:10
The Ford had 4.30 the coda had 4.10
Larry's really upset folks. He's been all over these post crying about the Mopar losing. If anyone sees him running around yelling with his hands in the air, just hand him a crayon to chew on and he'll calm down.
Very cool video.
Thanks for watching!
There is no way in hell that Torino was stock---it never came from the factory with a high duration cam like that. And the owner of the Cuda might want to see where his horses escaped to--back in the day, they were routinely tested at high 13's. If they were both actually stock and running correctly, the 440 would've thumped the Ford like a drum
Get the pretzels out because someone’s a little salty 🤣
@@CarsAndZebras Maybe a little bit. I just think that when someone presents a car as stock, it should really be stock
@@justsumguy2u Have you read the rules? The cam has to have duration at .050 within 1% of stock and lift within 2% of stock. The only thing it looks like they can play around with is centerline and cam timing. Sure, you can get more power for drag racing by doing that but that doesn't change the duration. I don't know the cam specs for the Ford or the Plymouth but my GTO has a Ram Air IV cam that has 231/240 degrees at .050. That's a lot of duration for a stock cam but I'm sure the Magnum cam in the 'Cuda and the SCJ cam in the Torino are equally as hot.
@@1967davethewave Sure, there are rules...but how strictly are they enforced? Do they actually pop a valve cover off and measure lift at the rocker?
Amen. The Mopar was not up to snuff.
The 1970 Plymouth Cuda is the coolest muscle car ever produced imho.
Awesome cars !
Nice classic race. Ford fan. But still a Torino & Cuda. Great challenge race. 👏. Classic muscle always good to see older cars, hot rods and more on the track👍. Only if Ford dies it right ✅ for them to come out with a redesigned Torino. Then it will blend in with the Challenger. Of course with options. Ford screwed up the T Bird comeback. Just a thought though, who knows 🤔.
I really thought the Old Torino would be too heavy to run with the 'Cuda.
It is heavier I saw a 70 torino beat a 71 boss 351
I miss 50 years ago! A better place.
What I don't understand is how RUclips videos show that a 1970 Red Torino 429 scj can vary with times of 13.71 vs Red Cuba with 440 of 13.78 on here to another 1970 Torino 429 scj of 12.93 to a Transam of 13.23 to a 1970 Red Torino 429scj of 13.64 vs a Camaross396 of 13.59 to a 1970 Torino 429scj with 13.08 vs Olds w-31 which wound up doing real bad so didn't write down time to finally a 1970 Torino 429scj of 12.72 to a 1969 Yenko 427 Camaro of 12.0 then 12.59. Then it was mentioned that Motor Trend ran a 1970 Torino 429 scj with 4 speed and driver to 4206 lbs. to a 13.99 time in Feb. 1970. These times ranged so badly that I thought maybe read end as one guy stated that stock was geared 3.91 with Detroit Locker gearing being 4.30 but that couldn't be right as narrator advised 1970 Red Torino with 429scj had 4.57 factory gearing for 12.72 race vs 1969 Yenko 427 Camaro so something else had to account for difference of 1.27 seconds so what?????
The Cuda is listed as 390 HP which means it was a six-pack car. It should have turned a much lower ET than a 14.57. I drag raced one back in the 70s and it was a 13 second car all day. The 14.30 is about right for the SCJ car although a bit more could be squeezed out.
It did. The 2nd time it ran 13.78
Interesting MPH gain for the Cuda the second run. I wonder if he let off of it the first time?
1:29 win light on for the Torino, 2:01 win light on for the Cuda.
Something I've noticed at this track, the left lane seems to mostly be the quicker lane. The track owners need to fix that to give both cars an equal footing. JMO.
I grew up when these cars were brand new and had/drove some of them. I know how it really went down on the streets. I never saw a big block Torino take a 440 Cuda. Just flat never happened. Not when both were stock. Shoot, my 68 340 GTS Dart ate up more than one 396 Chevelle. Plenty of 390 Fords.
wayne halladey Not the 375 hi-po 396, ya didn't.
Big block 472 and how would you know? You weren’t born yet.
Wayne. I'd put money on your 340 A body against a 375hp Chevelle on the street. Many feelings have been hurt by that combo. 👍
wayne halladey I'm an old fart, born in '66😳😆
B W The 340 small block is no slouch, but a good running 396 is too much for it.
A coworker at Jewel back in the mid 80s had a '69 Chevelle 396 4-speed 4.11 gears. Another guy (a friend of a friend) was talking smack that his "built" 383 Coronet (early 70's?) would take the 396. In the parking lot race, The Chevelle beat it by a car length+ every time. They needed enough time to slow down before they went over the embankment, lol.
The numbers showed the Torino winning both rounds.
Anybody take on a BOSS 429?
There actually was a Boss 429 this year, but it was running like garbage. The footage isn’t great, so I don’t know if I’ll even post it.
whoever did, lost...
but how the judges will know if the cam is not roller? or the the block is stroked with stockish appearance engine bay?
Needed the tie breaker
the 429 was a powerhouse
Very odd that the Cuda's MPH varied a lot (6.5 mph) between the two races. The Torino's driver was way more consistent. Impressive MPH for a stock 429 Torino!
He was having some misfire issues apparently
What a FEARSOME FORD
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Yesssss.
you lost me on the Zebras part. What is this? NatGeo?
First On Race Day
@Buzz135 Fix Or Repair Daily
My wifes 69' Fury convertible with a street friendly 440 would have walked both of those cars with ease. And it probably outweighs both of them.
I thought the CobraJet was 428 with the 429 being BOSS.
How did they end up shaving a whole half second the second round?
Where in Michigan my good man?
There was either something very wrong with that 440 or the 429 was not a factory 429 anymore!
Its the Gears ...Torino 4.30 Gears the mopar 4.10,... would like to see what ratio transmission gears ratios the cars have ...they are all 1.00 to 1.00 in 4th gear
The 429 Torinos had a close ratio 4 speed. 2.32, 1.69, 1.29, 1 ratios.
If that had been a '70 Cuba 🇨🇺 440 supercommando, the Toronto wouldn't give stood a chance! That is if the Cubs had a 4 speed with 3:73 rear!!
close races. Whoever gets the holeshot and doesnt screw up the shifting duties wins!
Back in the 70,s I blow the doors off a Charger 440 six pack in my 66 GTO
Interesting. As you may tell from my icon, I like the comment, but I'm a bit surprised. Could you explain?
@@louf7178 A '66 GTO with a 389/3 2bbl with the right gears and a good driver could run right at 14.0. I've seen it before. A Charger with a 440/6 Pack would run a couple of tenths faster. I'm assuming it was a '70 Charger since that was the most popular year for it to have a 6 Pack. The '70 Charger was notoriously nose heavy so getting it to a 13.8 or so like the road tests show took a really, really good driver. If some kid or inexperienced 20 something owned the car then it was probably running 15.0's due to poor driving. I have been drag racing since I was 14. I'm 51. I have a '69 GTO I got when I was 15. It was just a standard 350hp 400 but only had 63k miles when I got it. I went from 15.30's the first 6 or 8 times down at the track to 14.6's by about the 40th or 50th time at the track. And that's about 3 to 4 tenths quicker than the pros got when the car was new. The driver makes a huge difference.
@@1967davethewave Thanks for the explanation. Good driving, and good writing. I had a '66 400+.030/3x2, 744 (?) cam, Pertronics ignition, close ratio 4-speed and 3.55:1 (standard) rear gear but only cruised around (+/-). I regretfully had to sell it and never got a chance to time run it.
@@1967davethewave also gears hp and toque lightweight
@Larry Niles I dont mo parts suck
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Nice work by the Torino... a heavier car with a smaller engine takes the crown. It seems like the mopars can't win without some "tunings" before the race.
No round 3?