Record Live Event Sound from a Mixing Board
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- How do you record sound from a mixing board at a live event? Here are the basics!
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Links to gear discussed and used to shoot this episode:
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Recorders I’ve used and that can record line level from a mixing board (links to B&H, Amazon, or DVeStore):
Zoom H4n Pro (use 1/4” input only): geni.us/Grthw
Zoom H5 (use 1/4” input only): geni.us/JKIkO1o
Zoom H6 (use 1/4” input only): bhpho.to/2wdpR0X
Tascam DR-60DmkII: geni.us/BUyoU
Tascam DR-70D: geni.us/tg9x8Ej
Tascam DR-701D: bhpho.to/2rkSzrI
Zoom F4 (use 1/4” input only): bhpho.to/2Aplb5d
Zoom F8 (use 1/4” input only): bhpho.to/2rsxWKr
Sound Devices MixPre-3: www.dvestore.c...
Sound Devices MixPre-6: www.dvestore.c...
Sound Devices MixPre-10T: www.dvestore.c...
Sound Devices 633: www.dvestore.co...
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1/4” to 1/4” TRS Cable
Amazon: geni.us/Ewlj
B&H: bhpho.to/2wajcV4
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XLR Female to 1/4” TRS Cable (XLR connects to mixing board, 1/4” to your recorder)
Amazon: geni.us/NQRo
B&H: bhpho.to/2rmL3wB
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XLR to XLR Cable (do NOT use this cable for Zoom recorders)
Amazon: geni.us/lAcVTbj
B&H: bhpho.to/2JVoA0j
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RCA to 1/4” TS Cable
Amazon: geni.us/0lz2
B&H: bhpho.to/2IjaCIq
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Anker USB A & C Battery Bank
Amazon: geni.us/0Mfe3B6
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Line Isolator/Transformer (need 2 for stereo mixes, one for mono)
B&H: bhpho.to/2rm9Ctj
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Blackmagic design Ursa Mini Pro Cinema Camera - used for the talking head shots in this episode
B&H: bhpho.to/2AKJOcN
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Sigma ART 24-70mm f/2.8 OS Lens (Canon EF Mount)
B&H: bhpho.to/2kjsI2x
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Panasonic GH5 - Used for some of the product shots
Amazon: geni.us/ALBhDk
B&H: bhpho.to/2BcorBk
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Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8 OIS Lens - incredibly versatile lens that is on the GH5 most of the time
Amazon: geni.us/ILk8sxj
B&H: bhpho.to/2i6s2gv
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Music - MzA by Cary Judd, used with permission
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As a sound guy who's had these kinds of requests before, thank you! This was great and covered much of our sides concerns.
Thanks Glynne. Been there a few times myself.
Some great advice here! A lot of people don't realize that the sound from a FOH mixing console doesn't equal the kinds of things you hear in concert videos-- I'm glad you touched on that! Always, always, always mic the room!
Thanks, yes, a proper mix with room mics is a topic we'll need to cover in way more depth.
@@curtisjudd Hey Curtis Please let me know if you have cover this already? Great content btw. I am going back and forth and watching all your videos. They are absolutely great, You deserve way more Subs!
Yr absolutely right Chris, the sound guy is doing a huge favour allowing connection to his sound board. Recently filmed a symposium 100 + people, a panel of 5 speakers worn radio mics , plus the host had hand held mic, all synced to the sound board. Vox Pop from the crowd. No way I could have captured pro audio quality from on camera rode mics. So I respectfully asked if I connect an xlr cable from my Sony NXCam (locked off wide), he said sure. Took my long lead & then asked me how the levels were! The video was a winner due to the quality of the multiple voices. Subsequently I’ve been asked to shoot another symposium. My first question was- did you book sound guy too? They said yes! So I’m saving up a big handshake for the sound guy. He made my video look good because it sounded professional! 🤠🎥🎶
Thanks Moz - great example of what happens when you respect the sound engineer. Good work!
Wow thats awesome good work
Every time I hear audio from your videos a tear rolls out my eye. It's so crisp and clear!
Thanks Michael!
This was a good tutorial and as a live sound engineer I especially appreciate the "social engineering" tips you give videographers. One hugely useful $10 tool for the whole line/mic issue is a Hosa Variable (-10/-20/-30db) XLR Pad. Can save you in a bunch of scenarios. Don't forget to use headphones to check your level as it may appear fine but actually be overmodulated and need to be stepped down, a frequent problem with Zoom I've found.
Thanks Andrew, appreciate and completely agree with the tips on the variable pad and monitoring with headphones.
Thanks for the tips. Really good video.
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You are very right. These guys are doing you a huge favor. They often have to create a special mix for your send. I always appreciate when they do this. I always have a back up plan so I will be recording by microphones as well. Sometimes, I will get a problem coming from the board. I don't think less of the audio guy. The show and the live music is their first priority and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Your video(s) have saved me as a videographer! This video especially helped me when it came to recording from the soundboard. Thanks for covering the proper etiquette and items to have to be prepared!
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Honestly hands down best audio video ever. Thank you
Thanks!
Great video! I see this question asked so much, it's nice to have a video to point people to.
One thing - Many modern soundboards now have a USB out. For example, I shot a live concert this past weekend, and all I had to do was give the soundman a USB stick and he was able to record the board feed directly on that for me. Super easy and convenient.
Thanks! Also very good point on the more modern boards having USB out. We're seeing that on more and more of the digital boards (my Allen & Heath SQ-5 has this). One additional note: Good idea to make sure you're using a fast USB drive. Some of the slower sticks can have trouble keeping up, especially on the boards that put out 96kHz sample rates.
Curtis Judd I allowed a performance to record via USB as I was packing up i had left the USB still plugged in
The performer pulled the stick out with out confirmation and corrupted their files.
USB stick is close to hassle free but still don’t forget respect your sound guy
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO IS DETAILED AND HELPFUL ON HOW TO FILM AUDIO FROM A MIXER!
I go to Weddings all the time and I'm tired of not having my audio not be as good and it SHOULD be. I put mics on everyone, but when a girl is wearing a dress I can't put a mic on her since they have no pockets.
So this was INSANELY helpful.
Thanks SuperIasTM! 👍
thanks for the tip before getting a Zoom H5 to record from my mixer at home - i was about to go down a rabbit hole to find this information and you were the first video i clicked. question answered. i appreciate it 🙏
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This video answered all of my questions including ones I didn't know I needed to ask. Thank you so much! You are such a huge help!
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As always. A great video. But the one thing I wanted to mention is how you were so right to remind us to thank the sound board operator. I took extra time today to do that. And you could tell he felt appreciated. Thanks Curtis.
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I've covered some live events, and on occasion, I've had to negotiate with the sound guy. This video sums up everything I _thought_ I've learned. I'll probably be running this again when I do my next event. So it's a TERRIFIC resource. Thanks!
Thanks Brian, happy mixing!
Great advise -
I was so nice last night to the sound engineer when hooking up my H6 - you taught me something about the 1/4 inch cable that forces the H6 to line level didn’t know that my sound came out really good and I use that type of connector thanks bud
👍 Good work!
Nice job Curtis THANKS!....lots of great info...yep respect the sound guy first and foremost....In Europe when a band is introduced by name, they ALWAYS point to their sound guy at the FOH board and say..he's the most important member of the band!
Indeed!
I’m a communication student and I’m Learning more about sound from you than my university’s classes during this covid thing since there are no actual classes going on.
Thanks
Glad the videos are helping!
Thanks so much Curtis for covering this particular live event sound recording. I surely have gained so much from you in regards to filmmaking and audio lessons. I truly appreciate your dedication to helping fellow creators.
Thank you!
it can be very helpfull to record the sound on a second channel with -10db. if you get clipping during the show you have a backup.
Thanks, good point.
The thing about standards is, there are a lot of them. 2 line level standards can make your day.
You are a veritable sound god, Curtis! As a one man band doing sound and camera, had this challenge recently, and it was a nightmare to get the sound without accessing the board. This helps so much! Thanks a bunch :)
Thanks so much, Janmejay!
Another excellent instructional video, Curtis. I needed this about three years ago, but you have certainly nailed all the important points I've learned...I will be recommending this video for others coming up.
Thanks Kirk. Sorry on the late arrival. ;-)
SUBSCRIBED!! Thank you so much for this video. I am a videographer who recently has gotten more live event oppurtunites and yes I am excited for these events but the sound aspect freaked me out. Bad sound equals bad video. Curtis your video was clear and straight to the point. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!
Thanks! One thing we didn't really cover too much here is that it often still makes sense to put two microphones in the room to capture the sound that way in addition to taking a feed from a mixing board. The mixing board audio can sometimes sound too "dead." Best wishes and happy recording!
@@curtisjudd thank you Curtis!! Will take that in consideration
Curtis's videos are the best- no nonsense!!
Thanks ThroughLens Studios!
I haven't done audio production for a long while but this 7.5 minutes did a tremendous job of getting me back up to speed. Nicely done. The ambient crowd audio was a small statement with a lot of oomph to it. I'll be looking for your videos on microphones next. Used to use Shure SM-57s and SM-58s an a Sennheiser mic (I forget the model) on a shock mount a lot. Working on rebuilding my gear from the basics might now. This information was a huge help. Thank you very much! I'll have to work on getting audio from instruments at some point, but have to get the vocals and ambient audio worked out first.
Hopefully you have or are planning drum kit isolation, as you already know drums without baffles can ruin any recording that you plan to remix.
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Another Great video. I have learnt some of these things the hard way, this video would have saved me many months, I hope it helps others.
I wonder if you could do a part 2? More details on room mic’ing, taking multiple channels, or even multitrack USB out of bigger mixers? Yours are the best RUclips audio tips I have found so far.
Thanks Matt. Great idea, I'll add it to the list!
Heads up: The 1/4" on the H4N is hiZ/instrument level only. The H4N does NOT have a line level option for the combo jacks. You want to use a -50dB attenuator (line level to mic level) and make that connection on the XLR ports. I have had great success with the Shure A15LA Line Adapter, ...which was practically designed for this exact purpose. The mic level/instrument level combo jacks on the H4N and H4N Pro have been a "surprise" problem for many customers, ...but one that is easily solved.
Thanks Jamie, appreciate the extra detail.
Great info as always. Some venues have sound mixers that are union and they get extremely cagey about tapping in and what you are allowed to touch. Great information.
Thanks Jeff and good point re: union mixers.
Hey Curtis, as always, good advice on your channel. As the sound guy who was often running the board (or desk as we call it in the UK) you hit all the points just right. It's worth knowing ahead of time whether you want to ask for a Mic level or Line level signal from the board. Many cameras can take either, in which case ask and set up for Line level, but some DSLRs can only take Mic level so you need to ask for that. Preparation, preparation....
That’s another great point, thanks for that Cameron!
Very good advice, Curtis. I particularly liked the thing about recording the audience separately. I’d probably add that this situation is an example of when using time code would be a good idea, so you can later align the audience recording with the concert (or whatever) recording.
Thanks Rusty, yes, timecode could definitely help here.
For concerts I would recommend to get in touch with the sound engineer ahead so you don't get played against eachother. Most soundboards these days have multitrack recording inbuild or through an usb interface. Multitrack recording would be an additional service for me as a sound engineer, so it can happen that the client tries to get around that cost by asking you. You should get that sorted out before you agree to record an event.
Very good points, thank you Canstantin.
Thank you for you excellent videos. It's always a pleasure to learn more on audio for cinemato- and videography through your content. Also you simply have to appreciate that you normalize your videos ; )
Another Master piece from Curtis Judd
Thanks!
It felt like hearing and watching Brian May...
Very helpful video, well done!
I'm flattered. 😀
Thank you sir! This is so helpful to me. About to go video my first wedding in one month!
Good luck!
This video and all your advices are saving my life! :D I just accepted a work on an audio department and recording from a Mixing Board is what I do, actually with a Zoom H4N, wish me luck. If I had any doubt I will post it here (btw today it's my official first day, fingers crossed :D)
Congratulations and happy recording!
Thank you! I already got my gear packed and ready. You are a truly a master for we all who want to make audio for audiovisual productions.
VERY helpful. Thank you for doing this and making it easy to understand!
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Very important things to consider, hopefully less people will be demanding favors with little time to prepare. I've never considered asking how to reach the sound engineer. The no touching is always important, I've worked with some people that don't enjoy it either but can't keep their hands to themselves. Thanks for the great advice.
Thanks Freddie.
Good advice Curtis! Don't bug the sound guy too much! I try to talk to them on the phone before the day of the show, just so there are no suprises.
Totally agree, it can be very awkward to approach the sound guy right before the show and not very respectful of them (given they have a lot to do and a lot on their minds). Thanks Chad!
Chad Johnson I'd actually say more than an email or phone call, because we frequently work for a client only 10 hours that day and are otherwise off the clock, GET THERE EARLY. When someone arrives during the event and needs help I have very little sympathy for them, if they are there an hour before I will frequently do everything I can including loan them adapters to get it done right!
Recording requires you to pay attention to the recording. Mixing requires you to pay attention to the mixing. If you try to do both you will make mistakes. You, as the person recording, are asking for the sound guy's help by allowing you to hook up to his gear. Just be cool, and contact him beforehand and show up with plenty of time to spare. If you think that's kowtowing, then he'll probably sense you have an attitude, and give you an attitude back, or not help you at all.
100% agree. Short version: Show respect across the board, contact the sound engineer beforehand, come with everything you need, and show up plenty early, before sound check if you're allowed in for that.
Good points and exactly what we covered in the linked in-depth episode with Mike Stranks. Thanks 3minus1 Media!
great stuff. I ran audio for a choir concert and recorded individual channels thru a digital mixer just for fun. The recorded audio was clean, but at the same time dead from the lack room mics. now i know why it sounded dead :D
Thanks, yes, always a surprise the first time.
Thanks Curtis, what I was looking for. Over the last year I've learned a lot of things about sound and video and followed your advices.
Thank you Maria
Thanks dude. Your videos are really helpful! I'm a sound student in France :)
Thanks Anthony!
'Nother sound guy here with a very important caution: If your recorder uses XLR inputs for mic/line and has the ability to provide phantom power: _Always_ set up the recorder for line level _before_ plugging into anyone's mixer. If you start with your recorder set up for phantom-powered mics and then plug in, you will shove ~48 vdc _into_ the mixer outputs. Depending on the design of the mixer's output stages, this can be damaging, can cause popping, or might not do anything harmful at all. It's just a best practice to switch recorders to line level, _before_ plugging into any source other than one that requires phantom power.
Thanks Jen, good advice. Also, some recorders can still deliver +48V phantom power when set to line level so also good to turn off phantom power, regardless.
Thanks. Its so enlightening. Can you explain more why we want line level not mic level? Whats the different?
Line level is a much stronger signal - approximately 40dB. If you feed a line level signal from a mixing board into the mic level input on a recorder, the recorder will end up with a completely distorted recording.
This was very helpful 👍🏻.
Thank you!
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wow just found what i have looking for. thank you a lot
You're welcome and happy recording!
Bravo. It’s what I was looking for 😀
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Great advice. I used to get so sick of bands complaining how bad recordings from shows sounded I started just telling them that although the desk looked fancy the one thing it couldn't do was feed a recorder without destroying the quality of the live sound.
Those who knew I was bullshitting knew why and we could sort something out they would be happy with but the arrogant little superstar metal heads took it as gospel and walked away. In the end we hung a stereo mic in the roof 5 yards back from the stage so it basically caught the front of house and crowd and just ran that to a pc and burned a disk of it for bands.
Strangely enough the club I was at, the Punks were always more reasonable than the metal bands which always surprised me..... It didn't happen often, perhaps I am being unfair.
But it is the case that in a small to medium venue the mix to front of house tends to be mostly vocals and everything else is all over the place. Which just rubbed up the guitar warriors no end. They were so loud on stage and with their amps pointing out at ear height ( try explaining that to them..) often nothing of their signal went through the board. Sorry, having a ranty day. I was only ever an amateur but I had pride in my work and the attitude would just floor me sometimes and leave me wondering why I bothered.
Haha! Great stories, thanks for that! It is very good for us sound for film guys to understand the realities of sound engineers at the mixing board.
This was exactly what I needed! Thank you for your great content!
You're most welcome!
Really useful video Curtis. Thankfully i seem to have everything i need gear wise, but that was a great point about using 'line' record - I wouldn't have remembered to change that on my tascam!
Thanks John 👍🏻
This is such a top notch video! Covered everything I needed to know :)
Thanks Jesee!
Much helpful! So information! Great advices!
Thank you for the wonderful video, Curtis! You've made my day by posting about this topic.
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Always looking to get better at this! Thanks Curtis!
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Super useful! Thank you for breaking it down for us.
Thanks for the feedback Ozzy!
This is a great video! Thank you
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This is a Tremendous help!!! Thank you for explaining this in such a simple way!
You bet, thanks for the feedback!
One thing to keep in mind is that if the sound person does not allow you to record from his mixer, or for any reason all the outs from the mixer are taken, you still have some hope. You can plug directly into one of their speakers. Professional sound speakers usually have an XLR out port. Another thing. Just to reduce the chance you may not be able to plug in to the sound mixer because all the out ports are taken, bring Y cables (phono jack and RCA splitters) and kindly request the sound engineer to split the out signal with you using your Y cable(s). On a last resort, if none of the ports are available and the sound speakers do not have a XLR port, try to get a patch from the headphones out of the board. If the audio person is using that port, give him/her a Y splitter cable ( with 1/8 mini stereo or 1/4 inch jack connector, bring both!) to share that headphones port with you. Be as prepare as possible to bring all sorts of cables and connectors including a Shure multi level attenuator (-15 db, -20 db, -25 db) in case they give you a line level signal and you only have a mic level input in your device (such as wireless system, if you are sending the signal wirelessly directly to your camera. Or, if for any reason your camera does not have a line level input).
Excellent input, thanks so much for sharing. Sounds like you've done this a time or two. 👍
Didnt quite get what you wrote about the h5, but I took and ordered myself 1/4 to xlr male and rca to xlr male. also ordered myself 2 -20db XLR Balanced Attenuator Adapter. hopefully that's enough for the mixer I will be taking audio from
For most mixers, you will need female XLR to 1/4" TRS.
Hi Curtis
Really enjoying your videos - thank you.
Been using zoom H5 for years to record separate mixer output and XY ambience tracks to then sync with video of live show. Worked well.
You mentioned that 1/4 TRS needed to switch H5 into line mode. Nothing in the manual about that and we have always used H5 XLR input and have recorded from mixer both pre and post fade outputs but always careful with levels.
In our testing it doesn’t seem to make any difference - have we missed something?
Just got Mixpre-6 in an effort to move things forwards with non stage recordings and loving it for its low noise floor.
Cheers
Simon
Zoom H5 have an optional -20dB pad setting that you can set for input 1 and 2. So there's no need to use TRS as input. You can use XLR to XLR.
But why use a pad and still go through the amplification stage when you can do line level instead?
Thanks for this. Highly advise event coverage videographers to carry all the adapters necessary to be able to tap into 3.5mm TRS, 1/4” TRS, RCA, and XLR and go into their recorder or camera. Also having an active splitter in your kit would be good, too - oftentimes there just won’t be a convenient output available, and asking the foh engineer to dedicate and configure an aux channel just for you is super stressful for the engineer and presumptuous. It probably won’t happen. However, if you have something like a quality press box (audio DA) that can split an output without degrading the signal, and you ARRANGE THIS IN ADVANCE with the engineer, you can make it easy for him/her. Understand their job, respect the stress and pressure involved, make arrangements as far in advance as possible, and have your own solution instead of expecting them to solve your problem for you - do these things, and they’ll almost always be happy to help you out.
Thanks Andin, agree on all points.
Lmao... I’m at the board at a big corporate event at this very moment, (break now), and didn’t some brilliant videographer just walk right up to the tech table in the middle of a live presentation wanting a hole to stick his XLR cable into. Specifically XLR, even, no other options, and, “I must have an audio feed!!”
Yeah, everyone, please learn this!!
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Excellent advice Curtis.
Thanks Richard.
Good stuff as always, Curtis! I'm traveling to Europe to record a live event at a conference with an H6. Good to know I'll need to TRS cable.
Good luck Pat!
Hi! I’m also using a h6, at 3:08 he mentions something about trs cable that I didn’t quit understood. Does having the 1/4” trs || make xlr cable what I need in this scenario?
This is indeed good advice, Thanks
Thanks.
Extremely good advice Curtis, thank you.
You bet, thanks for the feedback!
As always, very nice and instructive.
Thanks Ramon.
Really great advices. It’s like someone walking up at the beginning or middle of a shoot at the last minute, asking if they can jack into the signal from your camera. Ahhh...no. :)
Haha! Good point. Way to bring it home to the DPs. ;-)
Damn man.... You break it down Barney Style. No one should have an issue with your videos.
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Solid content man. Definitely gonna come back to this in the future. May I ask what your audio setup for this video was?
Thanks. It's been a long time but if memory serves, this was recorded with a DPA 4017b to a Sound Devices 633 recorder.
Thank you very much for putting this video together.
You bet! 👍🏻
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!
You are most welcome!
This was incredibly helpful. Thank you!
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Great stuff sir! This was super helpful.
Thanks!
Excellent video Curtis. Very clear and concise. I've recently started to video variety shows for my local Musical Society. I had been using the H1N to record the ambient audio in the theatre, but I'm upgrading now to the H4N Pro. Will I be able to take a line from the sound desk as well as the ambient recording on the H14N?
Also, how easy is it to do a mix of Desk and ambient sound? Would this be done in something like Adobe Audition or directly in Premiere Pro?
I'm only really dabbling in video right now and I am enjoying it immensely.
Thanks again for the tutorial.
Rob
Yes, at the end of the video I believe we showed how to get the H4n into line level mode by using a 1/4" TRS cable into the inputs. This tells the H4n Pro that the audio is line level. That's the most important thing.
I haven't used the H4n in a long time but yes, I believe you can record the built-in stereo mics and the combination inputs at the same time.
Thank you for this video
You're welcome Steve.
Helo Curtis and thanks a lot for such a practical and detailed video. Just to confirm, you said that the zoom h6 can be forced into line input with a 1/4" but from the zoom page I get this: "All four main H6 inputs (inputs 1-4) are combo connectors that can accept either XLR or ¼” balanced or unbalanced phone cables. They can handle both mic- and line-level signals, which means that you can connect either external microphones or line-level devices like mixers, portable music players, electronic keyboards, or electric guitars or basses with active electronics (passive electric guitars or basses can also be connected with the use of a mixer or effects device). Internal switching contacts automatically detect the circuit of choice." Maybe an update? Thanks again
Perhaps so. I don't own an H6 to test this, but on my H4n, definitely only 1/4" would change the input to line level. Zoom support should be able to confirm. Best wishes!
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Great tips Curtis. Thanks!
Thanks Gary!
I've been looking like a video like this for years! Thank you, simplified and detailed, no clickbait like most of the same title, I'm more confident to try this now!
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I think after recording from the mixture and u can't hear people clap hands, u can use an audio from the camera as u try to edit from the adobe, Synchronise the audio, delete the scratch sound but remember to cut the point at which people are clapping that can fit your tul
Yes, or set up room mics to record the audience so you can mix them in during post.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
You're welcome! Happy recording!
Very helpful video, Thank you Curtis
Thank Edmond
Wow!dis enlightened me!
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I have a question: would you ever recommend any attenuation or padding? Almost every time I record from a soundboard I tend to get a mix that is WAY TOO LOUD, I'll even hear peaking during quiet parts with my input volume as far down as I can make it without losing the signal entirely. BTW this video was AMAZING, awesome advice and great lighting, too! I can tell you're a pro and not just another RUclips vlogger.
Hi Tony, yes, you have to use a pad when you have to. Of course your recorder should be set to line level when taking a feed from a mixing board and usually that will be all you'll need to do, possibly reduce the line level input a bit. But if it is bottomed out, you may still need a pad. But first, confirm you've set your input(s) to line level. Which recorder are you using?
Wish I had seen this two weeks ago! LOL I'll be prepared with the proper etiquette NEXT time...
Ha! We all learn as we live.
Great advice Curtis!
Thanks Rhett!
Great topic to cover!
Thanks Isaiah.
Thank you. That’s what I was looking for
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Your awesome man!! Subbed!
Thanks for watching!
Very helpful.
Thanks Coral Basie.
I see you added the h4n as a recorder but the line in for it isn't balanced and it's ideally for guitars rather than line in.
Thank you !
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Hello Curtis! Your channel is very helpful about many things! Maybe you know about one setting of Tascam Dr 100. I have DR 100 mk3, maybe mk2 have same settings(Problem). Very often I record dj mixes from A & H XONE 92 mixer. I Have good quality cable RCA to XLR. Xone 92 have only rec out outputs RCA for mix recording. So When I start recording my record Tascam screen show -12db maximum level( if track is play not very hi volume - -18db). I Know that many people recommend to rec near -6db. But right wheel in absolute minus value is 0 and absolute plus is 12. So I can't up signal to -6 or to 0 by write wheel on the body of tascam. For example on Settings of uni mic this value from 16 to 44. My Mixer Show that channel gain is 0dB or even +6 db, About my settings:Source - Line; Right wheel is on maximum 12.0. Auto tone - off. Level control - Off, Output Att - 0dB, In Power/Display - Peak level - -2.0dB. I Know that Zoom H4 can record till 0db in source Line, I was that you Used dr 100 Mk2, Maybe it have same settings?
Hi Andrey Grad, I usually record with the peaks between -18 to -12dBFS then in post, I loudness normalize to the levels I want because I can first compress some of the peaks/transients.
Always excellent, thank you
Thanks
How can I record from JBL eon pro one speaker with a. Zoom h5?
Is there a line output on the JBL? You’ll use that is so. The cable will need to be 1/4” TRS on the H5 side and either the same or XLR on the JBL side depending on what kind of output jack it has.
@@curtisjudd it has RCA output so I could use that to plug it to zoom h5?
@@kjaan yes, you'll need a dual RCA to 3.5mm TRS cable.
@@curtisjudd thank you sir
Hi Curtis! Really an informative video! I've got a reverse problem. The sound man wants me use an XLR for his soundboard output exclusively. I was wondering if the 1/4-inch input I would need for my new Zoom H5 should be TS, or TRS type? Any help appreciated!
Hi GILLnBARRY, the 1/4" input should be TRS because you want a balanced connection. XLR for output from the board, 1/4" TRS for input into the H5. Best wishes!
I have a question and please forgive my lack of knowledge as I am still kind of just learning and playing with new equipment. Regarding recording using a Zoom H6 for a live event... I am playing my first gig in a few weeks and my thought was to be able to record all the songs I have and then throw them into logic afterwards so I can cleanup each track in logic. End goal is to have a bunch of live recorded tracks that I can use for my portfolio incase I need to provide samples for auditions. Do you just set the recorder to record thru the entire set or do you have to keep stopping and start recording between every song if you are looking to take each track you record into post in logic? I hope my question made sense.
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Great video! I own a Panasonic S5 and I was wondering if I was able to get the sound from a mixing board with an XLR cable straight to camera if I have the 'Panasonic DMW-XLR1 XLR Microphone Adaptor' on top of my camera? Thank you
Yes. Just switch the input to line level.
Hi Curtis, I just bought a zoom H4n. I have a male to female XLR cable, and I also bought a 1/4 inch adapter that I can put on the female XLR side (just to have options for sound mixers). In reference to the part where you mentioned that a 1/4 inch connector is needed to force the zoom recorder into Line mode, do you mean a 1/4 inch is needed to plug into the zoom recorder and also the mixer? In short, I'm trying to figure out if I should buy a 1/4 inch to 1/4 inch or if I can get away with my current setup.
It can be XLR or 1/4” TRS on the mixer side. But on the H4n side, it must be 1/4” TRS. You need an adapter for the male end of your cable to get the audio into your H4n.
Just what the doctor ordered!
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Another incredible video. I have a question. So you record from the board and then you want to put a room mic down somewhere to get a fuller sound and add some life to the recording. Where's a good place to put the room mic in terms of minimizing phasing?
Brad B I’ve just slapped a couple mics down by the mixer and gotten pretty decent results. Do note that the sound from the board and the sound you get from the room mics are going to be off by a few milliseconds, so you’ll have to sync those in post.
Thanks for the tip so usually by the mixer which makes sense since that's where the sound guy is sitting and knows exactly how it sounds. And then I just manually drag the room mics by a few milliseconds to minimize that delay?
You’re going to want to align them based off of the waveforms since the delay will be different for each setup. Look for something distinct, a loud pop or similar, and use that to align the two. You can do this in any DAW or NLE.
Yes, or invert the phase in post, or even better, use a phase rotation plugin to align the phase. I generally mix the room mics pretty low during performance and then up again when you want the audience reaction/applause, but not always. If it is a space that was not really acoustically designed in the first place (many smaller rock/hip hop venues, wedding reception venues) you may need to rely mainly on the room mics. One example might be where one of the mics is feeding back in the live venue so the mix engineer had to EQ that channel pretty heavily to keep it from feeding back. In the recorded mix, that mic in particular may sound really odd. Or in cases with live bands, mixers will often have to nearly remove loud electric guitar amps from the mix because the amp itself is loud enough in the live venue. So the recording would have none of the guitar (that mic was turned off or nearly off). Hope that makes sense and good luck Brad B!
Thanks trayir, good advice!
One huge take away from this video is: Sound engineers are rare mythical creatures who need to treated with love and care.
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