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@Jesse Berg Haha, yeah the rule of cool reigns supreme. :) It is great that they showed the advancement toward Magic Gravity, and it's even better that they included Gravitic Drive systems.
love the vid. always really liked B5. i have a few Vs ideas for you... 1) Star Trek, Federation, Constitution class Refit under Kirk Vs Star Wars, Galactic Empire, Victory II Star Destroyer under Tarkin. 2) Star Wars, Galactic Empire, Nebulon-B Frigate under Demetrius Zaarin Vs Star Trek, Cardassian Union, Galor class Destroyer/Cruiser under Gul Dukat. 3) Babylon 5, Minbari Federation, Sharlin class War Cruiser under Delenn Vs Star Trek, Romulan Star Empire, D'Deridex class Warbird under Sela. 4) Star Trek, Klingon Empire, K'T'inga class Refit BattleCruiser under Worf Vs Andromeda, Andromeda Ascendant class Heavy Cruiser under Dylan Hunt. 5) Wing Commander, Kilrathi, Snakeir Dreadnought Vs Pirate ship Arcadia under Captain Harlock.
Every time I see a video on or about something in the Babylon 5 Universe I want to watch the series again. I miss that show, it was a great show in a happier time.
We need a sequel series to Babylon 5 which also ties up the lose ends left by Crusade. Not a reboot, just a contiuation, maybe 20 years after the "end" of Crusade.
Definitely. No reboots and crap like that, just a nice tie in for the end of Crusade. Why not even an ISN 50 year anniversay of the ISA show like what we saw in the show 😂
I'm still wishing that they'd finish crusade in order to find out how the Dhrack plague was cured and what happened with the Dhrack as well as the Telepath war But, then again, I was hoping that Star Trek Enterprise would finish the last 3 seasons of their arc as well Enterprise, with all of its flaws, is still better than the JJ Abrams Kelvin franchise, Discovery AND Picard all put together
G'Kar "We are the fire that will light the way to a better future" Poe "We are the spark that will light the fire that will burn the first order down" B5 did it first!
@@calumknight9178 there are 2 versions of the story behind this class. 1. The Warlock was the prototype and the Titans was the first production model. 2. Warlock is title of the project. Titans was the first ship. Since this is fiction anyway, I prefer the 1st one.
This ship is under-apreciated in the sci-fi world against the likes of star wars or star trek but this thing it one of the most bad ass ships in sci-fi
The Expanse and Babylon 5 will always have trouble competing with Star Wars and classic Star Trek, but I think anyone would agree that the former two have better portrayals of physics and more realistic spaceship design. I loved the Babylon 5 ships.
Wow, just started? You've got a long journey. I caught B5 during mid 90s primetime TV, it was the best! I now own all the seasons thru the Microsoft store and still watch them regurlarly, right now I am on season three again... Everything about the scifi drama is epic to its geopolitics to incredible and emotional acting.
I recently finished re-watching it, for about the sixth time. In some ways it's better as a binge watch (not all at once 🙂), because you can remember some of the foreshadowing to later events. Back in the 90's some "small" event would occur in season 1, with the pay off 2-3 years later, in season 3 or 4, so often wouldn't remember the foreshadow until a re-watch. Hope you enjoyed it and remember the Babylon 5 mantra. "Ivanova is always right. I will listen to Ivanova. I will not ignore Ivanova's recommendations. Ivanova is God. And if this ever happens again, Ivanova will personally rip your lungs out."
it is in all of my Stellaris games as the modder that made it for that did a really good job at making it work well in that game when combined with a few other ships the last faction i made major modded game was made up of a fleet of 12 of these alongside 15 corvettes and 20 other ships to fill other roles that one fleet took no losses until the end game due to the amount of fire the 12 warlocks could lay down the missiles from them covered the screen in most battles i even had the faction called the earth alliance and the interstellar alliance in the game they were the only ones left at the end game due to this one ship
After hearing the news from JMS about the state of Babylon 5 withing the WB, that they still hold a grudge from over 20 years ago, it is heartening to see newer insight into the Babylon 5 universe. good video.
The Lost Tales had the best scene with one of these in it, splitting a Centauri Warship in half with 2 beams from it's forward weapon batteries, but even then it was getting pounded!
Space battles are just so completely different when the setting has no magic forcefield shielding. It's much more dramatic to show a ship winning a battle despite losing vast amounts of ablative armour and suffering multiple hull breaches, than watching a number or graphic count down.
I love the Babylon 5 ship universe. Thanks for reminding me to find the TV movies! Are you considering anything more from that universe such as the Shadow and Vorlon planet killers?
One thing that you didn't mention is the hints that significant parts of the ship technology was derived from recovered, stolen and secretly acquired Shadow technology. I'm going from memory here, so forgive me if I'm wrong in the detail - there is a short story, of dubious canonicity (from what I recall it was written by JMS, and published in the B5 magazine and is canon compliant, but it wasn't on screen), that explains this. The power and computer systems involved Shadowtech, and consequently would cause debilitating nightmares and discomfort to any telepaths aboard. Captain Ivanova, having some awareness of this and it's potential impact, took her ship - the EAS Titans - to B5 and had President Sheridan come aboard. The ship's computer freaked out in reaction to his Vorlon/Lorien ... ness, and thus proved it. In order to protect Ivanova, her ship and the assets both represented, they secretly moved Kosh/Ulkesh's shuttle, still berthed on the station, onto the Titans. It reacted to the Shadowtech on the ship, and being that much more advanced and 'complete', overrode and took over the Shadow-influenced systems, freeing it from the potential influence and allowing it's captain, and any other teep aboard, rest. It also meant that the Vorlon shuttle would be well hidden, away from where it's tech could be stolen or undermined by the Drakh.
The first, you're probably right. Having looked it up, the latter was semi-retconned in the story - but that's in part why I flagged the dubious canonicity. I've gone and looked it up, the short story is called 'Hidden Agendas', was in fact written by JMS and published in B5 Magazine, May 2000. Wiki link: babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Hidden_Agendas (I have a copy of it... somewhere. Would be nice to know where but I don't)
@@void2258 The short story claims that after Ulkesh's ship was blown up, the fragments were collected and stored on the station, where they spontaneously reassembled/regrew over several months into the complete ship.
It balances, in a way. The Mimbari move forward with Vorlon technological heritage in their White Stars and the like. The Humans move alongside with them carrying the remnants of Shadow technology. Two sides, same coin.
I get the feeling the Pillar of Dawn in the Halo Series of Games and Books was totally inspired by this ship. As I can see a lot of similarities between the two ships.
I love the variety of sci fi weapons Babylon 5 included.Laser, plasma, particle beam, railguns, missiles, and mines, not to mention really exotic stuff like the Shadow battlecruiser's beam weapon.
Nice Video I wish we go to more of these ships. Also to temp you into doing a video on the Hammerhead from Space Above and Beyond. The fighter use retro thrusters to turn and maneuver in space
Always did love B5 ships, just for their realism. Yeah, yeah, I know that when you start getting to Warlock's with artificial gravity and other stuff Earthforce picked up from the Minbari and Vorlons and/or reverse engineered from the Shadows it gets a bit more fantastic, but it's still a cool design
You forgot to mention how powerful the Ageis god cannons are they are able to down most species captial ships in a single shot at beyond targeting range of most ships, this is why they were the best on sattelties and star bases. A small preview from the babylon 5 movie lost tales showcases its awesome firepower as it annihilates centurai warships in a single salvo
The Centauri with the help of the Drakh. The drakh of course being the most advanced shadow allied race. Centauri still lost and I'm pretty sure that was before warlocks were out in numbers. Unless I'm missing a book or story in which case I'd like to know.
So unlike the shadows the drakh somehow managed to disappear along with all their technology and the Centauri never found a scrap? How unlikely considering in the real B5 timeline drakhs left behind a corpse when killed and not even the mighty shadows who were millions of years beyond the young races were able to keep their technology out of the hands of the young ones... As you said it was a possible future one of a near infinite amount of possibilities. There's a future where earth says fuck it and conquers everyone too. There's been dozens of possible futures shown in the series (including the complete destruction of centauri prime). If we go by possible futures then nothing is certain and everything is possible.
I don't think they win. We were only shown a single battle scene. There's no way the Centauri would defeat EA without overwhelming numbers or surprise attacks.
Biggest weakness was the use of shadow tech in the computer core. This caused it to be vulnerable to telepaths. Ivanova got Sheridan to fix this with the remains of Kosh II's ship. Gave the Psi Corps a very short but NASTY surprise.
As part of a newscaster's voiceover at the end of Season 4 she mentions Susan Ivanova being promoted to Captain and given the command of one of the new Warlocks so that's pre-Interstellar Alliance. I'm trying to remember from where, but I recall the Warlocks being the first Earthforce ships with gravimetric drives and allowed the crew to experience 0.3G instead of full 1.0G. I would hope once Earth received Mimbari tech after joining the Interstellar Alliance they would have gotten upgrades to a full gravity. As for Shadow technology there's so little of the Warlock in canon they're really vaporware. Very cool vaporware though! I wish we could have seen them in Season 5 of B5 or more than a glimpse on Crusade.
Ivanova being promoted to Captain and given command of a Warlock class is specifically mentioned in news on one of the last episodes of season 4.. a canon history from JMS called "Hidden Agendas" goes further saying the ship was the EAS Titans and Ivanova being a part telepath could feel the shadow tech inside her ship.. so she pays a visit to Babylon 5 so Sheridan can help her get rid of it
But considering some weapons in B5, like the Mimbari Neutron Beam Lasers and the Shadow Cutting Beam, that armour may as well be tin foil. Armour sounds like a great investment, but the best way to survive in space combat, is to not get hit in the first place, which is why I'd invest more in small, fast moving attack ships like the Whitestars.
Let's just put 15 meters into perspective, here... That is easily as thick as from the front of my house, to the back of it, possibly even into the back garden. And it would be of composite layers of ablative and heat-resistant materials. I know Minbari guns pack a punch, but they'd have their work cut out for them.
Great Vid! Love this ship even though it didn't get much screen time. Few extra notes I found in my research, most likely Non-Canon. 1. The EA had actually developed a gravity control system on their own. This system was only able to generate 1/3 G. This was significant because the Warlock was designed with artificial gravity, so when EA was given the advanced Minbari AG system it was able integrate it more easily. 2.A lot of tech received or stolen by the EA from the Shadows was intended for the Warlock. President Clark had wanted these ships fielded during the EA civil war to counter the White Stars. The EA engineers couldn't finish the Warlocks in time, so the systems were tacked on to some Omega class destroyers. This tech was later given back to the IA when earth joined the IA. Even though some rouge elements in the EA kept Shadow tech research.
It's ashame that we don't get to see more of these in the series and movies. If they do any spin-off/sequels from the show they should show more of the warlocks.
I have a personal connection to the Warlock Class Destroyer. The Agent of Gaming first released the Warlock for their game Babylon 5 Wars, it was covered with Mass Drivers. I sent an email to them about the use of "retro weapons" and though that the Pulse/Laser array would make more sense for the ship. A few days later they released a design for the Warlock-B with Pulse/Laser arrays. :-)
Check it out. Independently targeting particle-beam phalanx. WHAP! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball-breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks... Oh wait, its from another universe. I don't know the last time I saw Warlock in action, it got served by Vorchans. For my the best ship was Shadow Omega destroyer ( aka Omega-X) .. at least it was stylish
Perhaps the main Minbari Staple cruiser, The Sharlin class, for another video? As well as perhaps the K'tinga and Valdore classes, respective to (Star Trek) the Klingon Empire and Romulan Star empire?
Thank you for another B5 ship vid! Have you seen the new "Lost in Space" on Netflix? It has mixed reviews (I, personally, enjoyed it). The Jupiter series spacecraft, though, are really amazing (with DYNAMITE set design) and I hope that you can do a short or just a quick vid on your thoughts about them.
Global Orbital Defense (G.O.D.) cannons... made to protect entire worlds. These madmen put two on a ship, forward facing! The amount of concentrated firepower is hard to put into words.
Strange that this class wasn't seen in the TV movie "Call to Arms" at least I don't remember seeing one. And it was mentioned in the season 4 (I think) finale that Ivanova got command of one.
I thought that the Warlock did retain ion-engines (which, when combined with the Minbari/Centauri etc. inspired gravitic drive system gave that behemoth acceleration previously unknown to EA ships)? Not to mention that a lot of the tech had already been recovered (the IA just helped iron out the kinks!), like the artificial gravity system (they weren't able to produce Earth standard - 1G - but it did work before the IA showed up...I mean Clark intended these to beat almost anything in space and an AG-System for long deployments is almost required for a ship like that!)
6th Sept 2022 - JMS announces a project involving the surviving original cast members, that has already been filmed and is in post production. This is in addition to the 'reboot' that is *apparently* still underway.
It does, though they never specified what type of Shadow technology specifically. I and some other fans believed it to be most likely a software-based technology, likely a computer core of some kind to help navigate in Hyperspace more effectively. Either that or a new form of power core which would explain how they managed to fit two of those Particle Beam cannons onto the ship and provide enough power for them.
Yeah they have hidden Shadow tech in the control systems, Ivanova's Warlock Titans is the only one without it according to short stories by Straczynski himself. They were probably going to have the ships be taken over by the Drakh at some point or something similar with the ships going out of control. So for all its advances probably not a ship you would want to be on or have in your fleet.
@Spacedock Did you know that that the Warlock Class Prototype the EAS Warlock had shadow tech? There some rumor that it was actually the Dictator Clark that wanted to use them to ambush sheridian but opted for the Omega X instead. Any chance this info is accurate or not?
Wow I’m surprised no one made the correction. The god cannons are commonly misrepresented as those two small particle cannons as shown in this video. This is a mistake. Those cannons are no different than the cannons found at the aft of the omega glass. The actual GoD cannons can be seen on either side of the ship, above the plasma mortars, inside the lattice structure. It ends with a antenna dish structure. That’s the focusing dish. The particle beams can be slightly moved during firing. Only slightly. But that’s how big and long those god cannons really are. You made an oops Spacedock !
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Daniel, I'm shocked. YOUR favorite ship from the Babylon 5 is one that uses technological "magic" gravity?
@Jesse Berg Haha, yeah the rule of cool reigns supreme. :) It is great that they showed the advancement toward Magic Gravity, and it's even better that they included Gravitic Drive systems.
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Could you cover the Pride of Hiigara or more Homeworld stuff?
love the vid. always really liked B5. i have a few Vs ideas for you...
1) Star Trek, Federation, Constitution class Refit under Kirk Vs Star Wars, Galactic Empire, Victory II Star Destroyer under Tarkin.
2) Star Wars, Galactic Empire, Nebulon-B Frigate under Demetrius Zaarin Vs Star Trek, Cardassian Union, Galor class Destroyer/Cruiser under Gul Dukat.
3) Babylon 5, Minbari Federation, Sharlin class War Cruiser under Delenn Vs Star Trek, Romulan Star Empire, D'Deridex class Warbird under Sela.
4) Star Trek, Klingon Empire, K'T'inga class Refit BattleCruiser under Worf Vs Andromeda, Andromeda Ascendant class Heavy Cruiser under Dylan Hunt.
5) Wing Commander, Kilrathi, Snakeir Dreadnought Vs Pirate ship Arcadia under Captain Harlock.
Every time I see a video on or about something in the Babylon 5 Universe I want to watch the series again. I miss that show, it was a great show in a happier time.
happier time not
Heard they are doing a reboot on HBO max early 2024
We need a sequel series to Babylon 5 which also ties up the lose ends left by Crusade. Not a reboot, just a contiuation, maybe 20 years after the "end" of Crusade.
My thoughts exactly.
Definitely. No reboots and crap like that, just a nice tie in for the end of Crusade. Why not even an ISN 50 year anniversay of the ISA show like what we saw in the show 😂
So agreed.
I'm still wishing that they'd finish crusade in order to find out how the Dhrack plague was cured and what happened with the Dhrack as well as the Telepath war
But, then again, I was hoping that Star Trek Enterprise would finish the last 3 seasons of their arc as well
Enterprise, with all of its flaws, is still better than the JJ Abrams Kelvin franchise, Discovery AND Picard all put together
In this day and age, a continuation would have to be carried out by a non woke production company. Resist the JJ.
G'Kar "We are the fire that will light the way to a better future"
Poe "We are the spark that will light the fire that will burn the first order down"
B5 did it first!
It's not really the same though, is it? G'Kar's message was one much closer to pure hope.
What is "Poe"?
@@kennethbuzzard6073 "Poe", "First Order" must be talking about those horrible starwars sequels, lol.
(Joking.)
@@johnassal5838 What sequels? 🙂
@@knghtbrd You're right I misspoke. Just some awful fanfic I came across.
It was very fitting that Ivanova got to be among the first to captain a Warlock.
Wasn't it actually the Warlock she commanded?
Calum Knight wdym
Ivanova commanded the EAS Titans, which was a Warlock class destroyer
@@praecorloth yea dunno why but thought she commanded the first one of the class
@@calumknight9178 there are 2 versions of the story behind this class.
1. The Warlock was the prototype and the Titans was the first production model.
2. Warlock is title of the project. Titans was the first ship.
Since this is fiction anyway, I prefer the 1st one.
The most famous of Warlock Class Destroyers was the 'Ivanova's Pimp Hand'
Death Incarnate
EAS "Ivanova Is God"
This ship is under-apreciated in the sci-fi world against the likes of star wars or star trek but this thing it one of the most bad ass ships in sci-fi
The Expanse and Babylon 5 will always have trouble competing with Star Wars and classic Star Trek, but I think anyone would agree that the former two have better portrayals of physics and more realistic spaceship design. I loved the Babylon 5 ships.
This is really serendipitous timing. I just started Babylon 5 last night. I am really enjoying it.
Serendipitous? Well bet you feel smart.
Wow, just started? You've got a long journey.
I caught B5 during mid 90s primetime TV, it was the best!
I now own all the seasons thru the Microsoft store and still watch them regurlarly, right now I am on season three again...
Everything about the scifi drama is epic to its geopolitics to incredible and emotional acting.
I recently finished re-watching it, for about the sixth time.
In some ways it's better as a binge watch (not all at once 🙂), because you can remember some of the foreshadowing to later events.
Back in the 90's some "small" event would occur in season 1, with the pay off 2-3 years later, in season 3 or 4, so often wouldn't remember the foreshadow until a re-watch.
Hope you enjoyed it and remember the Babylon 5 mantra.
"Ivanova is always right.
I will listen to Ivanova.
I will not ignore Ivanova's recommendations.
Ivanova is God.
And if this ever happens again, Ivanova will personally rip your lungs out."
This looks like a design that would be comfortable in The Expanse.
Well that makes sense it comes from the same planet but just a slightly different future
True, but it would probably out class any other ship in the series.
@@thitsugaya1224 Yeah... The orbital defense cannons on the front are pretty damn potent.
The artificial gravity and pseudo-gravity deck orientation beg to differ.
it is in all of my Stellaris games as the modder that made it for that did a really good job at making it work well in that game when combined with a few other ships the last faction i made major modded game was made up of a fleet of 12 of these alongside 15 corvettes and 20 other ships to fill other roles that one fleet took no losses until the end game due to the amount of fire the 12 warlocks could lay down the missiles from them covered the screen in most battles i even had the faction called the earth alliance and the interstellar alliance in the game they were the only ones left at the end game due to this one ship
I really wish we coulda seen more of this warship in the tv show. Great design.
After hearing the news from JMS about the state of Babylon 5 withing the WB, that they still hold a grudge from over 20 years ago, it is heartening to see newer insight into the Babylon 5 universe. good video.
The Lost Tales had the best scene with one of these in it, splitting a Centauri Warship in half with 2 beams from it's forward weapon batteries, but even then it was getting pounded!
Space battles are just so completely different when the setting has no magic forcefield shielding. It's much more dramatic to show a ship winning a battle despite losing vast amounts of ablative armour and suffering multiple hull breaches, than watching a number or graphic count down.
Practical yet still pleasing to the eye. I like.
I love the Babylon 5 ship universe. Thanks for reminding me to find the TV movies! Are you considering anything more from that universe such as the Shadow and Vorlon planet killers?
He hasn't done the whitestar video yet.
I assumed I had simply missed it. I am starting a petition. Whitestar! Whitestar! Whitestar!
When Ivanova fixed her ship, the Vorlon remnants changed it. Is there enough info for an episode on that ship after the Vorlon conversion?
This is one of my favorite Earth ships from B5 as well. Thanks for covering Babylon 5 as much as you are.
RIP centrifugal gravity thingy. It's like the Flintstones in space, footpower! Babylon 5 is so cool for featuring those as well as artificial gravity.
Loved b5 wish they would do new series say focused on telepath war or some thing then we could see these ships in action
One thing that you didn't mention is the hints that significant parts of the ship technology was derived from recovered, stolen and secretly acquired Shadow technology.
I'm going from memory here, so forgive me if I'm wrong in the detail - there is a short story, of dubious canonicity (from what I recall it was written by JMS, and published in the B5 magazine and is canon compliant, but it wasn't on screen), that explains this. The power and computer systems involved Shadowtech, and consequently would cause debilitating nightmares and discomfort to any telepaths aboard. Captain Ivanova, having some awareness of this and it's potential impact, took her ship - the EAS Titans - to B5 and had President Sheridan come aboard. The ship's computer freaked out in reaction to his Vorlon/Lorien ... ness, and thus proved it. In order to protect Ivanova, her ship and the assets both represented, they secretly moved Kosh/Ulkesh's shuttle, still berthed on the station, onto the Titans. It reacted to the Shadowtech on the ship, and being that much more advanced and 'complete', overrode and took over the Shadow-influenced systems, freeing it from the potential influence and allowing it's captain, and any other teep aboard, rest. It also meant that the Vorlon shuttle would be well hidden, away from where it's tech could be stolen or undermined by the Drakh.
Except that Kosh's ship flew into the sun when he died and Ulkesh's got blown up when Kosh killed him...
The first, you're probably right. Having looked it up, the latter was semi-retconned in the story - but that's in part why I flagged the dubious canonicity. I've gone and looked it up, the short story is called 'Hidden Agendas', was in fact written by JMS and published in B5 Magazine, May 2000. Wiki link: babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Hidden_Agendas (I have a copy of it... somewhere. Would be nice to know where but I don't)
Claudia Christiansen also released her own 'unofficial' follow up story to it online. Red Fury, I think it was called.
@@void2258 The short story claims that after Ulkesh's ship was blown up, the fragments were collected and stored on the station, where they spontaneously reassembled/regrew over several months into the complete ship.
It balances, in a way. The Mimbari move forward with Vorlon technological heritage in their White Stars and the like. The Humans move alongside with them carrying the remnants of Shadow technology. Two sides, same coin.
FINALLY!!!!!!!
Spacedock has now shown the Warlock-class some love!
I get the feeling the Pillar of Dawn in the Halo Series of Games and Books was totally inspired by this ship. As I can see a lot of similarities between the two ships.
This and the Pillar of Autumn were inspired by the Sulaco in Aliens.
What to say, "Its a bloody time to see Warlock, best Babylon 5 ship design"
yes.. my fav ship of the entire Franchise along the Hyperion class cruiser..
Now if he did the Hyperion...... wink wink
I love the variety of sci fi weapons Babylon 5 included.Laser, plasma, particle beam, railguns, missiles, and mines, not to mention really exotic stuff like the Shadow battlecruiser's beam weapon.
Nice Video I wish we go to more of these ships. Also to temp you into doing a video on the Hammerhead from Space Above and Beyond. The fighter use retro thrusters to turn and maneuver in space
Hahah I wore my Hammerhead shirt today.
Daehawk as in Hammerhead shark or do you have a shirt with the Hammerhead fighter on it.
If he does, i hope to see a little snipit of Sargent Bougus played by R Lee Armey who passed away on Sunday.
LET ME HEAR YOUR BATTLE CRY...PATHETIC!
Too bad this ship came so late in the show, would love to see more of these.
One of my favorite capital ships, thank you for covering it. A little on the brief side but, good all the same.
Always did love B5 ships, just for their realism. Yeah, yeah, I know that when you start getting to Warlock's with artificial gravity and other stuff Earthforce picked up from the Minbari and Vorlons and/or reverse engineered from the Shadows it gets a bit more fantastic, but it's still a cool design
You forgot to mention how powerful the Ageis god cannons are they are able to down most species captial ships in a single shot at beyond targeting range of most ships, this is why they were the best on sattelties and star bases. A small preview from the babylon 5 movie lost tales showcases its awesome firepower as it annihilates centurai warships in a single salvo
Though the Centauri still win the war so overall their ships are probably superior.
The Centauri with the help of the Drakh. The drakh of course being the most advanced shadow allied race.
Centauri still lost and I'm pretty sure that was before warlocks were out in numbers. Unless I'm missing a book or story in which case I'd like to know.
They do win on their own in the Lost Tales possible future. It is long after they got rid of the drakh influence.
So unlike the shadows the drakh somehow managed to disappear along with all their technology and the Centauri never found a scrap? How unlikely considering in the real B5 timeline drakhs left behind a corpse when killed and not even the mighty shadows who were millions of years beyond the young races were able to keep their technology out of the hands of the young ones...
As you said it was a possible future one of a near infinite amount of possibilities. There's a future where earth says fuck it and conquers everyone too. There's been dozens of possible futures shown in the series (including the complete destruction of centauri prime). If we go by possible futures then nothing is certain and everything is possible.
I don't think they win. We were only shown a single battle scene. There's no way the Centauri would defeat EA without overwhelming numbers or surprise attacks.
Thank you!! been asking for this a long time. My favorite B5 ship.
Always nice to see some love given to the Babylon 5 universe.
The ships/tech especially.
Biggest weakness was the use of shadow tech in the computer core. This caused it to be vulnerable to telepaths. Ivanova got Sheridan to fix this with the remains of Kosh II's ship. Gave the Psi Corps a very short but NASTY surprise.
As part of a newscaster's voiceover at the end of Season 4 she mentions Susan Ivanova being promoted to Captain and given the command of one of the new Warlocks so that's pre-Interstellar Alliance. I'm trying to remember from where, but I recall the Warlocks being the first Earthforce ships with gravimetric drives and allowed the crew to experience 0.3G instead of full 1.0G. I would hope once Earth received Mimbari tech after joining the Interstellar Alliance they would have gotten upgrades to a full gravity.
As for Shadow technology there's so little of the Warlock in canon they're really vaporware. Very cool vaporware though! I wish we could have seen them in Season 5 of B5 or more than a glimpse on Crusade.
Ivanova being promoted to Captain and given command of a Warlock class is specifically mentioned in news on one of the last episodes of season 4.. a canon history from JMS called "Hidden Agendas" goes further saying the ship was the EAS Titans and Ivanova being a part telepath could feel the shadow tech inside her ship.. so she pays a visit to Babylon 5 so Sheridan can help her get rid of it
Awesome work! Always psyched for B5 content, too.
good god that is some thick armour
No kdding. 15 meters is crazy!
It's an EA ship. Being heavily armoured is a given.
But considering some weapons in B5, like the Mimbari Neutron Beam Lasers and the Shadow Cutting Beam, that armour may as well be tin foil. Armour sounds like a great investment, but the best way to survive in space combat, is to not get hit in the first place, which is why I'd invest more in small, fast moving attack ships like the Whitestars.
Let's just put 15 meters into perspective, here...
That is easily as thick as from the front of my house, to the back of it, possibly even into the back garden. And it would be of composite layers of ablative and heat-resistant materials.
I know Minbari guns pack a punch, but they'd have their work cut out for them.
Isimiel "Extra thick!" XD
Great Vid! Love this ship even though it didn't get much screen time. Few extra notes I found in my research, most likely Non-Canon. 1. The EA had actually developed a gravity control system on their own. This system was only able to generate 1/3 G. This was significant because the Warlock was designed with artificial gravity, so when EA was given the advanced Minbari AG system it was able integrate it more easily. 2.A lot of tech received or stolen by the EA from the Shadows was intended for the Warlock. President Clark had wanted these ships fielded during the EA civil war to counter the White Stars. The EA engineers couldn't finish the Warlocks in time, so the systems were tacked on to some Omega class destroyers. This tech was later given back to the IA when earth joined the IA. Even though some rouge elements in the EA kept Shadow tech research.
A lot of that I feel is close, if not totally exact, to official.
I know the last part is true, because a shadow hybrid ship was what destroyed Mat Gideon's first ship.
True. Oh, any interest in these two Crusade fan scripts I wrote? Based on JMS hints... www.fanfiction.net/u/7240238/CaptChris42
It's ashame that we don't get to see more of these in the series and movies. If they do any spin-off/sequels from the show they should show more of the warlocks.
Nice background music, well chosen.. FYI: Main Theme from Supreme Commander, composer: Jeremy Soule
I don't know if its canon but I read that the Warlocks have a very big secret advantage: Their armor and computers were made with Shadow tech.
FINALLY! Today is amazing!
I have a personal connection to the Warlock Class Destroyer. The Agent of Gaming first released the Warlock for their game Babylon 5 Wars, it was covered with Mass Drivers. I sent an email to them about the use of "retro weapons" and though that the Pulse/Laser array would make more sense for the ship. A few days later they released a design for the Warlock-B with Pulse/Laser arrays. :-)
I always enjoy the B5 stuff!
After like, 20 years, the Warlock is still my all time spaceship design. It's damn perfect.
I still love the look of the Omegas (one of my all time fav sci fi ship designs) a bit more, these were still pretty awesome looking craft
Check it out. Independently targeting particle-beam phalanx. WHAP! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball-breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks... Oh wait, its from another universe.
I don't know the last time I saw Warlock in action, it got served by Vorchans. For my the best ship was Shadow Omega destroyer ( aka Omega-X) .. at least it was stylish
Lol... Hudson!!! Rip Bill paxton
Quite similar to Homeworld I stuff (Ion frigate, assault frigate)
He means how it has a giant beam
Perhaps the main Minbari Staple cruiser, The Sharlin class, for another video?
As well as perhaps the K'tinga and Valdore classes, respective to (Star Trek) the Klingon Empire and Romulan Star empire?
Thank you for another B5 ship vid! Have you seen the new "Lost in Space" on Netflix? It has mixed reviews (I, personally, enjoyed it). The Jupiter series spacecraft, though, are really amazing (with DYNAMITE set design) and I hope that you can do a short or just a quick vid on your thoughts about them.
Love your work as always. I swear the music is from Supreme Commander
Thank you so much for this. This is amazing.
2km long destroyer? thats a bigass destroyer, i wanna see the babylon 5 battleships damn
Babylon isn't Stark Trek;) Nimabri Cruiser is larger than any battelship in ST(alpha/beta quadrant)
For some reason, Earthforce calls it's battlecruisers destroyers, essentially.
oh... aw..
kinda like how the imperial class can be both a destroyer and also a small scale battleship
Excellent choice of music. Now I want to go fire up Supreme Commander to hear more of it.
1 person Was on an Omega X.
This is one of my favorite capital ships ever
Would love to see a fight between this and a Sovereign-Class Reaper from Mass Effect.
Global Orbital Defense (G.O.D.) cannons... made to protect entire worlds. These madmen put two on a ship, forward facing! The amount of concentrated firepower is hard to put into words.
Should do more fleet battle analysis.
I absolutely LOVE the Warlock. In B5, it's the ultimate in "FUCK YOU, XENOS!" from the genius Human shipbuilders.
I would like to see a video on the hammerhead cruiser line from star wars the old republic era.
I always liked the Warlock. Looks so bad-ass.
I love these kind of videos.
I thought the Warlock class was a much earlier class of ship One that include shadow tech
Strange that this class wasn't seen in the TV movie "Call to Arms" at least I don't remember seeing one.
And it was mentioned in the season 4 (I think) finale that Ivanova got command of one.
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00:44 missile rack close up
02:43 and 02:54 - bottom left (blink and you'll miss it)
15 meters of armor. Wow.
I think it came armed with the same anti ship nuclear missiles the aegis platforms were equipped with as well.
I thought that the Warlock did retain ion-engines (which, when combined with the Minbari/Centauri etc. inspired gravitic drive system gave that behemoth acceleration previously unknown to EA ships)?
Not to mention that a lot of the tech had already been recovered (the IA just helped iron out the kinks!), like the artificial gravity system (they weren't able to produce Earth standard - 1G - but it did work before the IA showed up...I mean Clark intended these to beat almost anything in space and an AG-System for long deployments is almost required for a ship like that!)
Legend of Galactic Heroes ship! Please do even just ONE!
That's one badass ship
6th Sept 2022 - JMS announces a project involving the surviving original cast members, that has already been filmed and is in post production. This is in addition to the 'reboot' that is *apparently* still underway.
I wish I couldn't see this and it's gonna show kick in some butt
Have you done an episode on the shadow influenced earth war ships?
Any chance we can see the Planetary Express ship from Futurama featured in one of your excellent videos?
i would would have loved to see this on a show
I especially like how it looks kinda like a shark.
Is that Supreme Commander music in the background?
Saw the title and thought: ‘Gunna be a damned short video’ xD
Warlock vs. Akira class with peregrine fighters?
Эх. Вавилон, вавилон. Не хватает сериальчика. Очтается с грустью вспоминать былое. Но спасибо.
Is the Supreme Commander soundtrack I hear in the background?
Still hoping for the White Star from B5, but a great video none the less.
No mention of Shadow tech?
JMS said the Warlock has Shadow Tech
It does, though they never specified what type of Shadow technology specifically. I and some other fans believed it to be most likely a software-based technology, likely a computer core of some kind to help navigate in Hyperspace more effectively. Either that or a new form of power core which would explain how they managed to fit two of those Particle Beam cannons onto the ship and provide enough power for them.
Yeah they have hidden Shadow tech in the control systems, Ivanova's Warlock Titans is the only one without it according to short stories by Straczynski himself. They were probably going to have the ships be taken over by the Drakh at some point or something similar with the ships going out of control. So for all its advances probably not a ship you would want to be on or have in your fleet.
ShadowCat sonewhere in the computer system
David Pellegrini The story said that the Vorlon ship cancelled out the Shadow Tech.
On one of the ships only. What about all the other ships of the class?
Good review!
I would have liked to see this badazz design with the shadow hull. Like the Destroyer class had.
@Spacedock Did you know that that the Warlock Class Prototype the EAS Warlock had shadow tech? There some rumor that it was actually the Dictator Clark that wanted to use them to ambush sheridian but opted for the Omega X instead. Any chance this info is accurate or not?
How does this compare to the Earth Alliance Nemesis Destroy Class? Would love to see a side by side comparison of all Earth Destroyer classes.
The ISA victory class should have been more like this, but with the vorlon and minbari tech.
Wow I’m surprised no one made the correction. The god cannons are commonly misrepresented as those two small particle cannons as shown in this video. This is a mistake. Those cannons are no different than the cannons found at the aft of the omega glass. The actual GoD cannons can be seen on either side of the ship, above the plasma mortars, inside the lattice structure. It ends with a antenna dish structure. That’s the focusing dish. The particle beams can be slightly moved during firing. Only slightly. But that’s how big and long those god cannons really are. You made an oops Spacedock !
I haven't seen the series in years. I have to rewatch it, I don't remember this BATTLESHIP
it was shown only in lost stories and briefly mentioned in 4th season
Everything time I see this ship comes up in a video, I can help but laugh at the thought that there is most likely a EAS Ron Weasley
The warlock should have been the ship in crusade. The one they used was so uninspired.
You should add starcraft ships to your list too. I would like to see them on this page
Hey Spacedock-
Would You do the WhiteStar some time?
And the Fighters from Space Above and Beyond?
Please do a video for the Rylan Gunstar from the 1984 movie The Last Starfighter
why have you never done Traveller ships?
Did it ever show up in space battles in the tv show???
Warlock! Upvote, then watch!
Concordia from Wing Commander please.
Big badda boom
will you do one on the jupiter ships from the new lost in space?
That's a fucking Halo 3 assault rifle I swear to god