Episode 6 - "Kin" | The Last of Us Podcast | Max
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Host Troy Baker and Showrunners Craig Mazin and Neil Druckmann unpack the emotional crossroads inside Episode 6. Neil reveals what key aspects of Joel and Ellie came from the actors who played them in the game and shares an Easter egg from Craig’s life that they put in this episode. Finally, they talk about how director Jasmila Žbanić brought the community of Jackson to life, and how carefully they adapted a beloved argument between Joel and Ellie from the game. HBO’s The Last of Us podcast is produced by HBO and Pineapple Street Studios.
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I like how wide Joel smiled when he saw tommy. Feels like the first time we’ve seen Joel smile
A genuine grin too! Like we've seen him smirk and chuckle, but nothing like this. Not even in the episode 1 prologue
@@Nani.101he giggled at Ellie's diarrhea pun
He full on smiled at the diarrhoea running in your jeans/genes pun
But then you see Ellie realize how happy Joel is, and it wasn't because of her
@@jasontaylor1151 not the same as smile of happiness from the bottom of his heart
I loved the scene with Marlon and Florence. They are another couple like Bill and Frank that have survived the madness by focusing inward.
I agree, these two were a wonderful add to the show.
That lady has my whole heart, she just out here vibing.
@@Aussie27Legend Indeed! She was in a show in the 90s, Northern Exposure, where she portrayed a similar character and feeling.
@@gregbanks5624 was not familiar with the show but lots have been bringing it up!
“You made him soup?”
“Yeaah”
Pedro pascal is incredible He deserves a Emmy after that scene with tommy.
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Love Craig discussing menstruation during an apocalypse and calling out the lack of representation in other films/shows. Since this beat was mentioned after Troy questioned Neil and Craig about Sarah passing on the 27th rather than outbreak day, I thought to look up when the diva cup was invented. 2003! One of the amazing things about The Last of Us is the constant continuity due to their fact checking-all the applause.
i was wondering when it came out, had no idea it’s been so long!!
My sister whipped around to me when the DC showed up and I too had to look it up because I got my first one in 2007 😂
There are other brands also that have been around longer.
39:48 God damn, dude. Bella delivered that line with the same emotional intensity Ashley did and it still breaks my heart. I love them both.
So did pedro
It made me cover my mouth to not ruin the moment, it was so perfect
Yep, that scene gets to me
When Ellie (doesn't matter the actress) says it, I cry.
No, she didn't. Maybe of no fault of her own. Perhaps she was directed to do so in the manner that she did idk. However, I know that the game did that scene with more emotional and subtle nuances. I like this show quite a lot but it hasn't been flawless like people are implying
The emotional stuff with Joel/Ellie & Joel/Tommy is amazing….
@Tone Rest I'm confused. I thought Ellie was angry at joel,for learning her with tommy?but,she was cracking jokes and smiling the whole trip.still no real joel and Ellie bonding by the time the fully bond,season be over
@@paulsmith9192 he changed his mind less than 12 hours later.
Joel feels unworthy of taking Ellie any further, he comes around by dawn realizing this is his redemption for Sarah.
@Coda Boggs took me time to realize that.I thought he was leaving Ellie with tommy after the,fireflys. But,I just wish they showed more affection for each other. Like a father and daughter type.even in game, they hid their feelings
I look forward to these podcasts just as much as I look forward to the episodes.
Yeah it's great getting new info and diologue about the game
Same! Love the behind the scenes tidbits
Me too I always come here right after I watch!
Same! It's my go to as soon as those credits roll
They are so good. I too look forward to listening to them every week.
I KNEW IT WAS DINA THAT WAS LOOKING AT ELLIE!!!!!!!! THAT WAS MY FIRST REACTION. Idc if they don’t straight up confirm it it’s my head canon now and I’m sticking with it
It's 100% confirmed, it was her exact design from the game and Neil mentions in this podcast that it's a reference to a conversation in part 2 where Dina tells Ellie about the first time she saw her.
@@telltellyn Craig said “that doesn’t mean that that’s Dina, but that doesn’t mean that’s it’s not”. He’s playing coy and yeah it’s basically confirmed but I think the point is, for the fans of the game if we want to believe that it is her it’s a nice little treat but if not it can be some random kid
@@themegjake4000 bro that’s a Dina literally the same haircut and Dina said “I’ll never forget when you first came you were stuffing your pockets“
@@telltellyn That is not a confirmation ...
The fact that they even brought up Dina all but confirms it’s her.
If you notice, Tommy looks down at Joel’s watch (out of frame) when delivering the line, “just because life stopped for you..” wow.
Brillliant acting, directing, set design, score.. this ep was amazing.
i went and rewatched that scene. nowhere he sees the watch... he just looks down bruh
@@thousifraza3292 the watch is on Joel's left hand. When Tommy looks down it looks like he's looking towards Joel's left hand.
It was so nice to see Joel breakdown confessing how broken he is and how he has failed so much. It feels so real and genuine then you can't help but feel the emotion in ellie's frustration too. I think ellie's line in the game is so powerful that there was no way they wouldn't include it and the fear in her voice is spot on. Kudos to Ashley Johnson for adding the profanity to make it more impactful and emotional. It may seem so out of place from a writer's perspective but it makes it feel real because life isn't scripted and sometimes we say things that don't necessarily fit when were upset. Also though it wasn't mentioned but I can't help but feel joel's line about stealing a horse and riding away was poking fun back at the game because that's what ellie did. Obviously there were other easter eggs like the rabbits, bow and arrow, the deer hanging and the fence they went through to get to tommy's. There were so many references back to the game, its crazy.
Using duct tape to fix his shoe was another nice subtle nod to the resource collection from the game too. So many Easter eggs!
I really wish I could have enjoyed this episode the way everyone else is. This is one of those properties that I love so much and want to love everything but I just really did not like this episode. Like intensely did not like it. And it really bums me out.
@@storyofm6820 hi there! do you mind if i ask what you didnt like about it? just curious obviously no judgment either way :)
Where can I watch Ashley talking about why she added the profanity?
@@storyofm6820 Too slow for your tastes?
when they introduced ellie to shimmer.. why did i want to tear up LMFAO. i feel like the show is almost just all the unseen moments from the game in a way, possibly seeing dina(?) , ellie being introduced to shimmer 🥺
That horse has an explosive time
@@markgraham4255 nooo idk whether to laugh or cry 😭😭😭
is it shimmer or callus? haha
@@ChrisValentine12384 i think it was shimmer!! i know someone had a horse named callus, maybe joel or tommy?? i cant rmemeber
@@sazaislin shimmer was ellie and dinnas horse they take out to look for joel! i was geeking out when they said her name! lil baby shimmer!!
The way Joel shouts "Tommy" just kills me every time. Pedro knows how to deliver emotional reality.
Pedro Pascal is something else, man; so so good. Great episode, outstanding performances. Craig Mazin has done it again. Bravo!
Mazin will be HBO new man for content
He’s such a good actor!!!
That scene with Joel telling tommy the past events and his admittance to failing and failing in his dreams and in the past events 😭
Graham Greene and Elaine Miles as Marlon and Florence were such a treat to watch, and a lovely way to open this episode!
Though their scene was only so long, they speak volumes about Indigenous kinship and ways of living and do so with such chemistry. From Florence's offering of soup, to Marlon's "howaah," and "holeh," I found myself in an Aunties living room, catching her and Uncle exchanging knowing glances and snickers through my eyelashes.
I like to think us Indigenous People would be thriving, similar to this in an apocalyptic world. In this scene, we see through Indigenous ways of life that we have been here long before, and we will be here long after. "Hide? Came here before you were born, sonny." Florence and Marlon's cabin in the woods, their traditional clothing, beaded earrings, hunting practices, laughter and softness and resilience; always here, through time immemorial.
(also; it was v accurate of ellie to steal from them on their way out, and then claim, "they dont know anything." lol!)
This felt like a breath of fresh air, as an Indigenous person myself, to just see good, accurate representation. And to see how easy it could be!!! It's crazy to think in this day and age I'm still crying over seeing people like me on screen lol
none of the other episodes made me as anxious as i am for episode 7
You already know what's gonna happen. Relax
@khobe Briant Thanks Captain Obvious, also, not everyone has played the game.
@@joshramirez7 true as i have never played the game but iam not mad as he didn't say what happens in episode 7 its all good!
I'm more dreading the David arc. It's heavy topic and it's gonna be even harder to watch live action
The Joel and Ellie confrontation is one of the moments that had to be done right. And I think they pulled it off. The scene is basically the same as the game, and the actors believably portray the proper emotions and dynamic that needed to be conveyed in this scene. And of course this scene was supported by the amazing handling of Joel and Ellie’s relationship throughout the show. Especially with Pedro’s beautiful monologue to Tommy earlier in the episode. Emotional action is such a good way of defining this episode.
Also Marlon and Florence were amazing. Florence must be protected at all costs. That woman was great 😂
Yes, emotional action is a lot more interesting than physical action, and this episode was filled with emotional action, so glad Neil and Craig understand the best way to showcase these characters in this story!
What a beautiful detail about Craig's daughter singing that amazing cover of Never Let Me Down Again. Combined with Bella's acting and that incredible wide shot of Ellie begging Joel to wake up, it's yet another perfect ending to another perfect episode.
Would very much love to hear the full version of Jessica's cover if at all possible!
Great podcast again, guys! Equally as excited to hear these as I am to watch every new episode.
Yeah, apparently nepotism is okay as long as you know it's nepotism.....
@@Hatake0217 So Craig being proud of his daughter and asking her to show off her talent in a show he's making is a bad thing?
My dude, why can't you just let a positive response be just that? A positive response.
Sure, nepotism is indeed a real thing in today's society, but this was a nice wholesome story that LITERALLY hurts nobody.
And if you're thinking "What about other female singers trying to find their shot?", we've had the likes of Agnes Obel, Lotte Kestner, even Linda Ronstadt, all of which are up-and-coming, underrated or legacy female singers involved in the season so far. It's just in this instance, Craig knew his real-life daughter (who already has an established following on Spotify so it's not like he just picked her for the sake of "I'm famous and I can make her famous by using her for my show") could absolutely nail an emotional cover of Depeche Mode for an emotional scene involving his, as he calls Bella, 'adopted daughter'. And he was absolutely right, it's a beautiful cover and fits the scene perfectly. Simples.
I convinced my father to start watching this show and he has no prior knowledge of the game, but he's loving the show. He was looking up the second game and realized Joel wasn't on the cover, so he figured Joel would probably die. When he watched this episode, he called me, upset and angry, because he "thought Joel would at least make it to season two!" and he was so mad because he got so attached to Joel, saw so much of himself in him and understood him so well, and he was HEARTBROKEN because he thought Joel died at the end. As a daughter, I haven't been more thrilled.
ohhhh you~! hahaha
If they kill off Joel like they do in the second game, I won’t keep watching. I’m so emotionally attached to him. Even more now with Pedro’s portrayal and it being live-action. It will shatter my heart if it happens that way…
@@ravens_tale I'm the same way. He'll probably die at the end of the premiere of season 2, so I'm thinking I'll watch the first 90% of that episode, then stop, and maybe carry on with season 2 and just never watch the scene...
OH BOY! I need to know what he would think about the next few episodes, would you mind to update us?
When Joel had his panic attacks I knew what it was. I have them too. It is horrible it feels like your hart stops and also goes way to fast. I felt so much for him in this episode. He is an amazing real character. And pedro is incredible!!!
Had those two a couple of times many years ago and it was terrifying until I learned what they were. First time I was sitting at home playing video game. To this day I have absolutely no clue on what triggered it. It wasn't even a violent game.
The cinematography is absolutely beautiful. Those shots along the river and dam were so beautifully done. To know that so much death and horror has occurred over the last twenty years while nature still remains picturesque is so powerful.
Gorgeous scenery!
The stars in the night sky, the beauty of a night without light pollution - that really got me.
@@JokerLurver the northern lights shimmering was a perfect touch.
The fact that you guys are actually bothering to be considerate of how women would take care of themselves during everyday life, let alone in the apocolyspe, is absolutely brilliant, and amazing to see. Thank you for taking the time, and making the conscious effort to portray the realistic issues we would have. I have wondered for years how women prior to modern times dealt with menstruation, because it’s dang inconvenient now, in a developed country, I can’t imagine how it is for women without access to modern period products, running water, and toilet facilities. I know that many girls in Africa simply don’t go to school while on their periods, because they have no way to deal with it there. So thank you🌟
Realistic issues? All the leaders in the show are female for some reason. It’s a blatant agenda pushing. Nothing to do with reality. You do know that if the society collapses females would probably be doing the same roles they do in modern Afghanistan or Africa?
Oh man.. if you really think about what Neal said... it really is the best it will ever be with Joel and Ellie in that moment. Never thought of that... because they finally both embrace their father daughter relationship... and Ellie still has that child like innocence in that moment. If you really pay attention to everything to now.. and everything after.. its such a true line.. Never looked at it that way.
Honestly that's kind of a messed up spoiler.
You can hear the passion for this project in their voices. It's like drugs for my ears. I love these podcasts as much as I love the show.
I really love how they are portraying Joel in the show. It has VERY similar vibes to one of my favorite westerns of all time - The Unforgiven. In that movie you see an aging Outlaw, William Munny, struggling with being as notorious as he was in his younger years. He has a younger outlaw riding with him that had this mythology in his mind about Munny. But seeing him in reality, it bursts that bubble. Until the end... when something happens to someone he cares greatly about -- THEN the William Munny of legend is awakened and it is intense. Knowing where this story is headed, I feel a similar build up to that of The Unforgiven.
Seeing Dina, there’s a 100% chance we see Abby in S1. Super happy they’re seeding things for part 2 as they couldn’t for the first game because part 2 wasn’t fully planned when they were making the first game!
Shannon berry in the finale at St Mary’s hospital? 😬
It's just a tease for s02
i can't imagine theyd put abby in already, but maybe??
@@sazaislin a lot of the critique w s2 (that ive seen) was the storyline sequence for abby being too out of order/not build enough; i'd say its more likely to introduce abby to set up for s2, but maybe not
@@katrishaandrada4720 true, idk if its just me but i feel like because they know how mad some people were over p2, theyll try to make it up in the show. like already we're seeing so much stuff that probably happened in the game, just never actually in it that makes sense. like ellie meeting shimmer for the first time.
This episode was one of the best so far, very emotional dialogue between characters
Mighty thin ice is certainly iconic, when I met Troy at a convention I recorded him saying the line but with my name instead of Ellie’s. The context is NOT the same as “Don’t say another word”, cause as Troy said that is a plead, whereas “mighty thin ice” was a threat. Pedro’s Joel in general has been much warmer and caring to Ellie, making her growing attachment feel more believable/earned, a perfect example being how Troy’s Joel reacted to Ellie saving him compared to Pedro’s reaction. All the nods of respect Pedro gives to Ellie like when she says Tess’s death wasn’t her fault, or when she took 2nd watch, are subtle but important moments that Troy’s Joel would not have given her, and would’ve just scolded her on for challenging him. These feel like changes that were brought about not just cause of Pedro but because of Neil seeing where he can improve the storytelling as well, cause they were flaws that were always there. Pedro’s Joel also goes the extra mile with his concern for her having trauma over killing, dressing animals, seeing skeletons, etc. and he took more time explaining things to her like how the outbreak started.
As much as I ADORE the "mighty thin ice" line, I immediately understood why they didn't use it. I was still bummed it wasn't used, but Troy's amazing delivery (to me) comes from a place of anger and frustration. Pedro's take on Joel is older and more tired - he's sadder and far more broken. Still adore the new scene and Bella's voice crsck when she pushed Pedro had me in tears. Amazing episode!
I think my favorite part of this episode was a line that was not in the game during Ellie's confrontation with Joel:
"Do you give a s*** about me or not?" -Ellie
"Of course I do." -Joel
He says is almost without thinking, and this shows how close these two have become and deep down, he really wants her to know that he cares about her.
Really.. really.. really...... loved this episode!! Felt like they definitely nailed it.. emotionally.
Man, I was thinking how amazing the cover at the end was. I had no idea that was Craig's daughter! She has an absolutely amazing voice!
I am so freaking thankful for this show, and I feel like nothing I can do will be sufficient to express how much I love this show, and how thankful I am for everyone involved. This show feels like nothing I've ever seen, it's not TV, it's something beyond.
This podcast always helps articulate the reasons why I love each episode and understand it on a deeper level. It’s such a good companion to the series.
Amazing episode after episode. Everyone involved is doin the damn thing. Been a well of emotion every Sunday
That song choice hit hard, during that last scene. It was really powerful. Craig's daughter did a great job.
"I think the honest truth is, if he could be anything or do anything, he would be a Dad raising his daughter".
Oof, that got to me.
I liked seeing Ellie and Maria’s boxing match of words, haha. I’m glad Ellie didn’t run away either like in the game.
I’m pleasantly surprised about the fast pace of each episode in regards to the gameplay’s storyline. It hasn’t lingered or leaned on long action sequences and puts focus on the evolution of these characters in the journey. Really heckin smart. Love it.
So excited for the DLC next week!😆Beautiful and devastating🥲
Let's go! Love hearing the podcast with Troy and the directors
Fr! Who better to have on an after show than the actor for the main character in the game and druckman himself
Ashley Johnson and Troy Baker deserve an honorary writing credit for the TV show for the performances that informed it so deeply.
ALSO the animation team from the game.
Phenomenal episode and acting from everyone. I love this adaptation so much, however this feels like it needed to be 12 episodes. So much of the bonding is through combat, barely making it through clickers, random enemies, stealthing through buildings etc. I feel like we should’ve had 1 more episode of them traveling and surviving prior to what we got in this episode. Loving this show, I just feel like it’s condensing down their relationship due to the time constraints of only having 9 episodes, while also making their travels feel slightly less dangerous and shorter than it is in the game which in turn heightens the relationship between Joel & Ellie.
To be honest most of that bonding in the game is done through gameplay which is impossible here. Random enemies, sneaking through buildings and picking infected one by one would be unbelievably dull on tv. Although I would’ve loved to see 12 episodes with brand new storylines and characters
@@alejo5267 Not impossible at all. They’ve already proven they can do it and not make it “dull”. I’m not asking for 12 episodes of gameplay.. but this needed one more episode of Joel and Ellie traveling, surviving through tension filled sequences prior to finding Tommy. Build their relationship just a bit more and it would’ve made this episode hit even harder.
@@alejo5267 Because those moments and bonding is in gameplay, then the show needs to flesh out their bond in other ways. In this instance, I think I agree with OP. Maybe they didn’t need to just flash to 3 months ahead. They could’ve inserted a completely original episode of content to compensate for the lack of gameplay bonding you get in the game. This episode hits for me because I’ve played the game, I know what these two have been through. But the show isn’t showing me all of that, it’s telling me.
i agree, feels like there’s something missing between their relationship at times. this episode threw a lot at us
They absolutely could have extended the time spent at the University. They also could have fleshed out those 3 months between KC and Jackson. I am loving the show but I definitely agree that I wish they were doing 12 or 13 episodes
Something they didn’t mentioned is when Ellie is waiting for Tommy to pick her up, you can see in her eyes that she deep inside is waiting for it to be Joel, and when it was indeed Tommy you Can see the disappointment too. I just loved that scene which was different from the game.
Thank you all very much for the game, the show, and this podcast. Thank you a thousand times.
I love listening to this right after the weekly episode. One two punch of pure delight. Thanks!
The cinematography in this ep was off the scales...scene for scene from the game...especially the bedroom scene! I liked the giraffe poster easter egg in the room.
The theme was "family". Family present (Tommie), Family past (Sara) and Family Future (Joel + Ellie). God this episode, especially after listening to the Podcast, just brought tears to my eyes. I almost started bawling when I factor in TLOU 2 when Joel dies and there is this enormous cavern in Ellie's heart over his gravesite, mourning her "dad".
HOW, HOW DOES THIS SHOW KEEP GETTING BETTER EVERY EPISODE?!?! If both Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey are not nominated for best actor and actress at the next awards season WE RAMPAGE!!
This was perhaps my most anticipated episode of the season because it has THE SCENE of Joel and Ellie in the bedroom and I wanted to see more of Jackson. But my god, I didn’t think anything could make me cry more than I did in episode 3 with Bill and Frank, and yet they did it! The scenes of Joel clutching his heart and looking up to see a young woman who almost looks like Sarah, and when he was telling Tommy the truth that he believed that he was going to fail Ellie and get her killed. God I was crying so damn hard, and then when we got to THE SCENE in bedroom I was a complete mess.😭😭😭😭
I wish more shows would do this. It brings a whole new level of appreciation for the show.
More shows need podcasts like these, really to show how much the creators care about them, its great!👍
I LOVE the “thin ice” line, and I didn’t even notice its absence
I’m loving the podcast. It’s helped me get thru many shifts at work when it was slow as background sounds to focus on. And just understand the show/game better.
Once again, there are so much Part II in this episode, I love it.
The moment when sound The path, Im crying.
My favorite episode so far so emotional, and powerful I tear up during Joel, and Ellie's monologue I was so happy to see Jackson, and baby shimmer! I love the reference to part 2. I didn't know how the DLC would be worked in ,but looking forward to next week
I really appreciate you Neil you gives something to the gamers every week ,and it makes the show feels that much more special Thank man👏🏾👏🏾.
Man... another amazing episode, extremely powerful acting . This show just keeps getting better
The scene where Joel and Ellie meet Maria and her crew on the horses, I feel is a nod to when Joel tells Abby his name in part II and they ride together to Abby’s base..
I also saw this.
Yeah... felt like a F U to the people complaining that Joel would never tell anyone his name or whatever. 😂
@@davidg.9561 And it wasn't even him in the first place, Tommy started to run his mouth and introduced himself and Joel as his brother
@@davidg.9561 he has no reason to hide his name at this point though.
@@StarRain6 and why would he after living in a giant settlement who meets tons of people that are either coming and going from Jackson or people they find and help on patrols? Joel telling someone his name was never an actual issue.
I kinda understand why they changed the part where Joel got impaled. It was more realistic than the game, I remember I questioned myself once if Joel's gonna survive that, he was barbequed in the game. But yeah, Joel getting older kinda adds severity to the injury. However, this episode felt kinda rushed, esp on the last part, they got past the antagonists pretty quickly, but at the same time it felt well-paced because we got to see plenty of Jackson and a few cameos from part II. Overall, I really liked the episode.
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Also with it being a show it's not like they'll be going through 2 dozen enemies. It was only like that in the game because you need combat for the gameplay. Felt like we got what we needed out of the University bit so we can have a full episode with Riley and then an episode with the cannibals. Then the final episode in Salt Lake City.
The differences are very remarkable because in the series there is no need for gameplay or action for the player…
This was a nice and perfect way to made this arc, without the expendable action
@@pauljjeppson6530 Yeah, we got a lot of action and drama last episode so it's kinda nice to rest for a bit. I wonder if they will mix Ellie taking care of Joel and Ellie/Riley flashback like they did in the Left Behind DLC.
Yeah there’s no way Joel on the show would have survived falling off a building and getting impaled. They mention his age and his mind being troubled. He wouldn’t survive. But the way the show had him injured makes it more believable that he can bounce back from it.
Pacing hasn’t been good since the first half of the first episode.
It’s only gotten worse tbh, I know this was one of the few gripes critics had with the show, and it’s definitely noticeable.
They really should have stretched it to 12 episodes or something and lingered more in certain scenes, certain areas..slow down the dialogue, etc.
Now obviously episode 3 had its own pace going most of the time. But as far as the main story,
I’m also not a fan of the flashbacks that are actually flashes, like another one of Sarah this episode.
It was unnecessary and amateur, Joel seeing the girl from behind that looked like her was already more than enough.
One of the finest hours of TV I've ever seen the nuances and emotion is phenomenal it left me in tears and moved me so much. Everyone is knocking it out of the park
Dudes!!! Neil and Creig what a great episode. The only thing is as some ppl have said I wish we could've seen a little bit more of bonding in those 3months BUT Pedro and Bella do such an amazing job you can see the relationship grew it was beautiful nonetheless I'm just greedy and want more of Joel and Ellie ofc.
Also so thankful for all that we've got. Like wth!!! The town! The guests popping here and there from s2. The set up for S2!!!! 😍😭 It was so beautiful the scenes that were line for line!!!! 😍😍😍😍 BEAUTIFUL. I'm so happy this project is happening the way is happening it was meant to be. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I loved every little change and the addition to the base material. It's so freaking good. I hope TLOU, Neil, Greig, Pedro, Bella and every actor wins all the awards this is the best piece of television of 2023!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Can't wait for next week I'm so happy and sad. What a Rollercoaster of emotions. 🤣😭❤️
Best episode for me so far... the scene when ellie pushes Joel and while screaming, her voice cracks... that little girl had me crying, she is an amazing actor
I can see an Emmy for Pedro here.Joel bared his soul to his brother for the first time. Pedro was amazing.
I love how they introduced Joel talking about failling Ellie just like he failed Sarah, will be a catalyst for the finale
The dialogue in this series is a form of Art. I love the way Maria presented her line, "Not always, at least" right after Tommy said "A bad reputation doesn't always mean we're bad people". The way she looked directly at Joel tells us she knows all about his past.
Love these podcasts. It adds to the lore and world building.
I live where they filmed this show and earlier today I walked through the same college campus that Joel and Ellie walked through (SAIT)
Amazing episode. Well performed, well executed, amazing acting from all invovled. Really well made CGI. For me this is the best episode so far. Made me tear up several times.
You know I love Troys interpretation of Joel. And while Pedro borrows some of those traits. Personally I find Pedro's Joel far more nuanced. His monalogue was incredible. Emotively too, it was the first real time I connected to Bella as Ellie. Really good episode.
Perhaps Troy’s performance was the best for the game and Pedro’s was the best for TV?
Wowww honestly Craig’s daughter is def a talented singer, u can hear it in every note, an for just 18 years old man that’s heartwarming getting her a spotlight she def deserves!
This whole series was done with love and care. I'm loving every episode so far. Everything was well done. I just hope 9 episode is enough to tell the whole story. I wish there were more, like 10 or 12 total episodes, but I trust Craig and Neil. They have done an amazing job and deserve our trust that they know what they are doing.
Love that you guys kept the confrontation between joel and ellie almost the same as in the game
@Bernard Vezina-gagnon I dont understand. I thought Ellie was angry at joel for leaving her with,tommy?but,she was making jokes and smiling the whole trip.did they make up and I missed something? Still no real joel and Ellie bonding. By the time they bond like father and daughter season be over
@@paulsmith9192 Lmao what are you smoking
@@paulsmith9192 And yeah, he discards her. The plan was to find and/or save Tommy, and then to find out where the firefly lab is from Tommy and go there, Joel bringing Ellie to Marlene. Not having constant panic attacks and projecting his daughter onto her- ellie senses and then figures out his aggressively aggrieved fatherhood projection and it drives a wedge between them during the episode. Their interval of reconciliation isn’t perfect in the game either (university)
@@paulsmith9192 she’s happy because they “reconcile,” he doesn’t discard her. He can’t. He thinks she’s dependent on him like a daughter, when they’ve really been interdependent at best and codependent at worst
@@paulsmith9192 No Joel/Ellie bonding? Not sure what show you’ve been watching, but the last three episodes of this show had all that in spades
17:40 the clothing and hair style... I instantly thought it was Dina who was staring at Ellie! However I completely forgot that we never got to see Jackson from the inside in the first game.
Great episode, my only criticism is I'd have preferred if there had been two episodes covering that section of the story. I don't want it to end so it's feeling rushed a little for me.
I've seen alot of people say this tbh... craig doesn't like filler hence why it's been cut
@@thehoopman88 I feel like this is why some people may not like ep 3 in the context of the full season because it took a lot of screen time away from the Joel ellie story.
This is my favorite episode of the series so far. Love this podcast to go along with it!
I can honestly say that I've tried to hold back tears watching all these episodes thus far and i always fail to do so.
I don't recall feeling so much empathy towards fictional characters.
This is the most emotional series I've seen in a long time, I've played the game multiple times but i couldn't have foreseen how amazing this show is.
Even though fictional, it contains a great deal of realism embedded in every episode.
✌
That cover of the song is hauntingly beautiful... Man, perfect placement and timing. Really cool moment for him too since it's his freakin daughter. Amazing
Once again I am impressed at the set pieces they built for this show. Jackson looks just the same as the game, and the university too. Really well done
I am so torn because I love the show, but I feel like there are these odd choices that keep it from being a 10/10 for me. Like audiences have already shown that they are okay watching over an hour long episode, so why are we rushing through the university scene and rushing Joel's injury? Feels like a huge miss not to build tension by having a couple infected in the university or a fight scene between people to really build up the tension culminating in Joel's injury. I didn't really feel sad or shocked when that moment happened because it was so sudden.
The one thing I missed this episode was naming the horse Callus.
I love the change going straight to Part 2 Jackson rather than just the Dam. It fully establishes the town earlier.
I figured re creating part 1 version would not work as well and just finding such a place would be near impossible.
This podcast is so good, love that it’s Troy hosting
this episode broke me not even bill and frank broke me i loved the scenes with Elie and Joel and Joel with tommy even when joel and ellie almost go there separate ways it feels really real to me and coming from someone who's never played the game!
Such a cozy Winter episode. Loved the shots overlooking everyhing.
Cinematography is amazing 👏
As someone who has watched Jasmila's previous work you could feel that it was her. Most Bosnian directors love doing those quiet landscape shots as a contrast to the war and chaos in the movie (which Bosnian directors, unfortunately, have mastered by now)
all i can say, the melee weapon consistency is on point. all have been 1 durability so far.
Love watching these after the episode while I head to bed. Great idea to make these
Craig you are genius!!!! That version that Jessie adapted is so matched and beautiful…
Great ep and great commentary on the show. I agree with whichever guy who's part of the show said his daughter is a remarkable singer. I absolutely LOVED that slow, haunting cover of Depeche Mode's song at the end of the episode. 80's means trouble. Also the line, "I'm taking a ride with my best friend. I hope he never lets me down again." oooh. And I usually always find covers to be less than the original. Finally, Pedro Pescal, Bella Ramsey, and others attached to the show better win a lot of Emmys! ❤
Masterpiece! Just like the game. Thank You!
Loving these podcast
This episode moved the series from good to rather great in my eyes. Joel seeing Tommy again broke my heart and I didn’t expect it at all. And Joel overall feels like a different version of the character in the best way possible; seeing how he’s starting to fear not being able to protect Ellie. If his story was a beat by beat reenactment of the game’s story, even if done wonderfully, it’d be worse for it. I love how it’s changed and it allows me to feel for him in different and new ways. Such smart work!! :) It’s awesome
I have no words for this show
It's beyond expectations
And don't get me started on the acting - insanely good ❤️👍👏👏👏
This episode was the best acting of Pedro I have ever experienced!
The ability these writers have to tap into the most raw parts of us that we often tuck away is incredible. I am so taken by the unapologetically honest commentary on humanity each episode delivers.
Hats off to every person involved in bringing this story to life beyond the game.
That cover of Never Let Me Down Again at the end is going to put Jessica Mazin on the map. Beautiful in its simplicity.
I'm sad for HBO Ellie since to her, the last Space Shuttle launch was Columbia, and all flights were grounded after February 2003 :(
Loved the naughty dog yellow with all the firefly symbols guiding them into the science building and up the stairs
Episode 6 is definitely my favourite episode of the show. It was great seeing the more emotional side of Joel and there was a lot of very emotional scenes that hit hard for me like Joel reuniting with Tommy and Ellie finding out about Sarah.
i love hearing craig mazin talk about characters and their hidden motives. it opens up a whole new world about the story that makes it much more interesting. the drama and the relationship between characters is what makes this show so phenomenal and this podcast opens up a whole new world about them.
Graham Greene and Elaine Miles are an addition to the cast that makes it enjoyable Graham has been in many things especially the
appearances on the Red Green Show among other films and TV shows and Elaine Miles best known from Northern Exposure.
this show is absolutely amazing! even if i knew nothing about the games i find it to be just a great ride.this is a master class in how a adaptation of a game to movie/tv show should be, honoring the source material while adding its own ideas or flashing out ideas that couldnt be done in the game. i know there will be those that criticize the changes and tear the show apart for ruining things, but i also know there will be plenty of people praising the changes, not that the game is bad, but just being able to tell the same story in a different way. I especially like how troy baker has ben very positive about Pedro pascal's portrayal of joel its ok to be protective of something you love, but its even better to share that love with another person who also loves that character.
great job so far keep up the great work!
will there be a season 2? 3?4?
This was so beautiful I wanna cry