Chest Rig Loadout- Choosing Sustainment Over Protection
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- Опубликовано: 16 мар 2024
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If you are hunkering down at home or have your vehicle with you no excuse to not have your armor and duty pistol/belt. The debate starts when you are proceeding on foot
Mount to dismount. That means if you have your vehicle, you drive it to park it, away from where you are working. Go on foot knowing that your vehicle is your exfil, if you make it back to that. You don’t want to park it somewhere that has prying eyes. Somewhat inconspicuous, yet out in the open to not raise alarm. Parking lot with other vehicles or something.
@@twiggybones7040 A vehicle is a deathtrap. In a shit hit the fan scenario a group of people that utilize light infantry training and tactics well might have a chance.
In a shtf scenario there will be no hospitals. I would take every bit of protection I can get in every situation.
@@theintrovertedcalifornian5047 You’re guessing. Nobody really knows what SHTF looks like. In the American revolution people were still people. In the civil war, people were still people. Just because rule of law is questionable does not mean it’s a free for all and everyone is dying.
Agreed. However I feel like airborne loadouts are more comparable to minuteman than motorized light infantry. Paratroopers are dropped behind enemy lines and must hold out for much longer sustaining themselves before they are relieved. In a homeland invasion or tyrannical government we're not going to have sustainment right behind us, we're going to be stuck behind enemy lines for quite a while. Static defense is great, but the minuteman are the first to respond and are going to meet the enemy in the next county over, not wait for them to be on your street, however for older members of the militia or women, they will defend at home. I don't expect my wife to leave the children and go with me.
However once the full militia is raised and we're able to hold territory and have logistics established I could see a return to light infantry that only needs an assault pack before the caravan catches up.
As an average prepared citizen, I break it down into two basic categories. Static defense and patrol. For static, I’m going armor and battle belt. Patrol is chest rig, backpack, sustainment gear, etc… Both are situationally dependent and important.
No one grenades a trench...like Trench. Thank you again instructor of destructor.
Honestly, my plate carrier is for when I am home. If I take to traveling on foot, I will need the carrying capacity for water, screw those plates.
well fitted alice gear using a old H harness is such a great system even to this day. when set up right it will keep you alive and going for 72 hrs. Special forces, and Rangers operated for decades without body armor and ballistic helmets out in the field.
I have a modern version of my old H harness I used when I was recon platoon in Vicenza late 80s early 90s. Yea...I'm old.
Tried and true, great ventilation and comfortable. With a good butt pack sustainment and shelter loadout I can go for days in it.
Just a side note guys. Mystery ranch was bought out by yeti in january. Quality and quantity of actual useful rucks for our use cases may decline drastically.
In the military you get used to carrying alot of heavy stuff that you probably wont need to as a civilian. Hell, I did the whole infantry scout thing as an RTO and that weight sucked even with some batteries cross loaded and no body armor. As a civilian I dont need to carry a 150, a tough book, and all the batteries, etc. The biggest issue with running armor isnt so much weight (still a pretty big consideration) it is how it interfaces with your pack/ruck and heat retention/reduced airflow. What might normally be a super comfortable pack that manages weight well becomes an awkward gremlin clinging to your back when you have body armor on. Also, if it's hot out you wont have very much fun. So definitely see how your pack interfaces with your PC. Another option I dont see mentioned a lot is running just a single plate. Some chest rigs allow you to run a single front plate. You wont have an option to run one in the rear and your chest rig will be very front heavy but if you gotta carry a pack (comfortably) and still want ballistic protection it is an option. At the end of the day body armor covers a small (but vital) area of the body. Best case scenario you are up against someone competent enough to hit that 10×12 plate and nothing else. Worst case scenario you have been suffering with a heavy pack and armor for days and someone lands a pelvic girdle shot.
Trench,
As a Cav guy when I was active duty, both at bliss and Vilseck, making the transition to the guard, and the infantry, and on top of that, Alpine Infantry in the 86th IBCT, I was not expecting to see body armor treated as such a “maybe” in our METTTC.
Years of vehicle mounted doctrine conditioned me to run my IOTV with pouches attached, med left, nods in a canteen right, 3 doubles in the middle. Now I’m running that same T. rex quad flap on top of an easy to pack lo vis carrier, as plates are issued ON LANE for live fire, and immediately hot swapped to the next shooter. Imagine my shock lol.
Currently experimenting with a “hyper light” sustainment belt with the water, food, and wet gear and things found in an assault pack to combine with the chest rig for short duration patrolling. Currently unsure whether it’s worth it over running a dedicated medium ruck (like my crossfire DG3 AW).
Would love to see your opinion on running belts as a sustainment option supplementing armor or rigs, and where they fit into a shooter’s toolbox.
belts suk!
The British Military runs almost all kit outside their plate carriers on their belts.
Think theres a lot better civilian options for body armor than issued heavy gear just in terms of weight options. Look at the weight n thin profile of Safe Live Defense: Hyperline armor. Seems like a fantastic option that didnt exsist when you were in the service Trench. Expensive but theres payment plans 😂
Slick PC, loaded chest rig. This is the way
Of course in a stationary defense situation, max body armor is wise. However in a dismounted (or even mounted) mobile scenario, there is a trade off between armor protection versus short or long term spine and joint injuries, mobility, exhaustion, and dehydration. That tradeoff tends to occur rather quickly, and you can quickly become combat ineffective with these issues.
Well disciplined soldiers or civilians is much more important than body armor in a defensive position. Noise ,light ,radio discipline will serve you much better than worrying about body armor. For example in the middle of the night someone lighting a smoke can be seen from a couple football fields away.
@@theintrovertedcalifornian5047 Armor and discipline are not mutually exclusive. Makes sense to employ both.
@@timsimmons9995 with the right discipline and training armor is not needed for decades rangers and recon operated without it. It only started being deployed when we started letting our troops get chewed up in the middle east lol
@@timsimmons9995deadliest snipers who ever lived never used armor lol
@@theintrovertedcalifornian5047 1) Modern snipers do in fact use armor. 2) Effective armor is only a relatively recent invention. 3) It's an apples-to-oranges comparison to try to justify equipment or tactics choices for a civilian versus military. The $$$, supply chains, size/training/fitness of the organzation and members, the mission, etc. are radically different. Cracks me up when folks say, "but the Army does it this way...".
Always wondered why you'd bother with a helmet since they can't stop any of the rifle rounds coming at you. Never occurred to me the primary function was to stop shrapnel
Tacticom just dropped bundles at a reasonable price with discount. Enjoy being prepared without burning your training ammo funds. Get: fit, rifle, quality optic, friends and training. Next: gear, comms, pistol and train. Then: nv, thermal, plates and train and train and train.
Pistol for ccw first. Then build a loadout.
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For a domestic Minuteman application, a more Recon type loadout and operational framework is going to be applicable outside of urban areas and practically for the variable situation.
* Same with the Jungle Warfare School too, run light with the TAPS since moving through dense jungle woodland terrain is so arduous and you gotta run light-ish.
all kitted out and nowhere to go. lmfao
I feel like airborne loadouts are more comparable to minuteman than motorized light infantry. Paratroopers are dropped behind enemy lines and must hold out for much longer sustaining themselves before they are relieved. In a homeland invasion or tyrannical government we're not going to have sustainment right behind us, we're going to be stuck behind enemy lines for quite a while. Static defense is great, but the minuteman are the first to respond and are going to meet the enemy in the next county over, not wait for them to be on your street, however for older members of the militia or women, they will defend at home. I don't expect my wife to leave the children and go with me.
However once the full militia is raised and we're able to hold territory and have logistics established I could see a return to light infantry that only needs an assault pack before the caravan catches up.
Another exception being civil unrest. For static defense against a riot you're not needing to sustain yourself, and you can still meet the enemy further away. You can bring your vehicle in this case.
Another great video, Trench.
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real life cod, lmfao
I ordered the barrel and hatchet ghost chest rig,currently waiting for it to arrive , never had one before and figure it's a good start
Love the reference to airborne load-outs. Hadn’t been really thinking along those lines.
fk airborne, they have support, and fking planes.
I bought the chest rig first bc it is a bit to start worth!
I was up way too late watching Trench vids last night.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you, Trench.
Thanks man love and appericate ya. May the good lord bless ya
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In a hot environment patrolling on foot I wouldn't bother with armor at all. Becoming a heat casualty or having to hump an extra gallon of water, both are lose lose scenarios. Wearing armor in the winter or cool seasons is easier than summer.
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Dump pouches are for scalps.
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The dangler pouch, and side add on pouches. Are they through TRex or another company?
Highcom makes a lvl3+ up to 308 ball helmet problem is its 3.8-4lbs and 2.4 grand
What are the ARC rail adpaters you are using for the Howard Leight Impact Sports on your helmet? Been looking to do the same conversion to mine.
Do you have any video going over your 3 day pack ?
This might be a dumb idea. But I don't ever hear anybody talk about it. That's probably why it's dumb But what about 3a hard plates. Still protects against handgun rounds.Which a lot of people have And only weighing 1 pound per plate and I kind of figure Some armors better than no armor. I'm honestly asking for opinions on The subject.
Are you in an area where you will mostly be being shot at by handgun rounds if not get rifle plates which will also stop handgun rounds
I like the brits plce with a smock
When the future AI powered T100s show up...im going for sustainment
I would rather take a few brakes with body armor then take none without. Also I have nothing on my carrier that is not for fighting. Water, food, are not on it. You can survive for at least 3 days without. So keep the water and food off the carrier and in a separate bag.
A backpack is always amazing
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Hey trench, I noticed you like to wear alot of kit on your belt in past videos. What are your thoughts on the British Army's commander belt loadouts, with nothing on your plate carrier?
Wow units are having dudes run nods in the ruck or assault pack. No way man. That shit is like a mag or radio. Bags come off for a variety of reasons. Can't believe the army is digressing back to the 90s....
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Copy Copy! I even set up a couple other placards to interchange with either rig per weapon. I just need to get a lot more dirt on everything!
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Trench, should I buy body armor first?
What dump pouch is that ?
Yea because the crye jpc wasnt designed for jumping in.... guess that's the difference between army "recon" and actual marine force recon who actually does jump in a plate carrier...😅😅😅
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Going by the argument that you shouldn't store your NVGs on your chest rig because nobody ever got surprised by night time, why do you store your water bottles on your chest rig? Does anyone get surprised by thirst?
Because if you have to drop your pack or you lose it during a fight, then you have no water. You can live without nods. You can't live without water.
@@oldscratch3535 Okay so that's in a scenario where you just drop your pack and never pick it up again. Makes sense.
@@Chretze Well there are plenty of reasons you would drop a pack. You would drop it to further recon an area, attack a target, etc. Something may happen and you can't make it back to your pack and now you're on the run with no food or water.
@@oldscratch3535 But if you drop your pack for any non-emergency you have time to get your water out of your pack and put it on your belt if you think you need it. And if it is an emergency (i.e. getting into a fight) it just seems impractical to have pounds of water strapped to your body, so I'd wanna drop that weight immediately anyway.
Idk, it just doesn't add up for me.
@@Chretze You keep water on your body. Its as critical as ammo. Water storage has always been first line gear carried on your person for a reason. That's why canteens are a thing. They aren't carried in a pack. They're carried in a pouch on your belt kit or whatever rig you're using. The Camelbak came along in the Gulf War which expanded the amount of water you can carry on your person, not in a separate pack.
Notice a theme here?
i would prefer my ALICE than a chest rig
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As far as carrying a cellphone does putting it in airplane mode mean that its not sending or receiving signals?
It would be safe to assume that there are software back doors built in so governments can bypass such a thing. Your best bet is to put it in a faraday pouch and/or remove the battery if possible. There's a reason modern cell phones no longer have removable batteries. They claim it was for "waterproofing". That was just a side benefit. The real reason is so you can never really turn it off and block access.
lmfao @@oldscratch3535 , i have had to bust cell phones into pieces because they were tracking us using the cell signal by triangulation.
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LBE better. Get a Brit PLCE belt or similar.
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